In the 90's, high school counselors HEAVILY pushed everyone to college. My friend decided to go to trade school, and his counselor told him he was "throwing his life away". He now makes more money than most of our classmates.
College isn’t for everyone, nothing wrong with students choosing to go to trade school, just like there’s nothing wrong with students who see college as the logical next step for themselves. Glad there’s more publicity about this current generation taking alternative pathways towards employment, but college and higher education is still very important for many career paths in society.
@@nekopop8159 Welp if your studying that, then you can be a electrician at trade school after college and you'd earn even more money, your not only an engineer, but also a future electrician.
@@thegreatapple9616he’s not a shark though if he knows you personally he’ll go lengths for you look at what he did to delonte west who was on his team when he found out he was homeless
It’s sad that school is so expensive because we’re going start having shortages of teachers, doctors, nurses ext because no one can afford to go to School .
I hope these guys entering trade schools look at their job as a craft like the guys in the past. Maybe we'll start to see houses built to last hundreds of years again. Of course those were probably union jobs.
@@Here4TheHeckOfIt Unions jobs are crap. People who actually like to do physical labor don't want some office know it all telling them when to take a break. 100 years ago construction unions were ran by the mob. It was that way until the 90s in NYC. That's how dental Trump got all his mob connections.
I hope they realize they are opting to become a stupid laborer breaking their backs like a servant just so some average looking girls can get rich on onlyfans and live a comfortable life in the luxury houses and apartments they will be tasked with building and fixing. THERE SHOULD BE A FULL BLOWN BOYCOTT OF PHYSICAL LABOR
The only reason you go to college is to use expensive equipment to educate yourself; magnetic resonance imaging scanner, wind tunnels, super computers, electron microscopes, anechoic chambers, rare chemicals etc. If you are just going to college to read books, writing papers, you can do it over the internet.
That’s really what it feels like . If your goal is something medical , accounting, engineering, computer science etc … i.e any of the “golden degrees” you are good at, college is very much worth it. But , but if your interest is not in one of the “golden degrees” then I really question the value of college.
True, but the issue is with recruiters and employers. Without a degree, you will not be taken seriously for certain jobs and you won't even land an interview. But you are correct, you don't need a degree to learn. You only need to read. If you do not get a degree, go for certifications so you have something to show.
Not everyone is meant to use their hands, just like not everyone is meant to work in an office. Find out what you like and go from there. It’s a pretty simple decision in my opinion
Exactly! As long as they are choosing something that they feel they can be good at, and that provides financial stability, then it is all good, whether you choose a good college degree or trade school.
Colleges are only worth it if you're pursuing something with high pay potential, like a lawyer or doctor. You can still go to college... but play your part accordingly
I can't wait for those strong, independent women with degrees in education, counseling, psychology, business, and non STEM degrees learn how useless their degree actual are lmao lol
I'm a Gen Z man. I'm going to college because i wanna be a doctor. However, i'm also learning in my free time how to do some basic plumbing, electricity, gardening, cooking, etc. Because i wanna be useful and not having to pay for everything that gets fixed in my home. I'm also helping my friends to learn some skills (including my gf and female friends who aren't usually taught these things).
@@TheJosman hey before you make a huge commitment actually start studying economics and how to make money. I believe the US dollar will collapse in the 2030s. You can do your own independent research
Alternatively, you also go there to make connections. From the top of my head, film degrees are the best examples. Make connections with your classmates and professors and use each other to find internships/assistant roles after dropping out/graduating. Pay won't be high (unless you make it big) but it's for those who are just passionate in creating Also it's great if you're pursuing a STEM related field. Ex. Astronomy, aerospace, research, etc. Edit: for the connection side, that's not to say you can't do that after graduating high school. You just won't be able to reach out to the bigger reps (unless you have family connections/wealthy contacts)
And someone with 3 degrees, I support Gen Z. I do well financially, but the cost is astronomical and I’m hustling to pay off my student debt. I’m going to encourage my child to go to trade school or community college, then have his employer pay for his bachelors if he decides to pursue a 4-year degree.
Majority of mainstream media is gaslighting people into making bad decisions. There's a reason that people are paranoid nowadays; everywhere they go they are being lied to and understand on an unconscious level that this doesn't make sense.
@@TheJosman It's free if you know how find the right kind of aid and/or scholarships. I did not pay one cent to get my Bachelor degree. Pell grants and scholarships took care of it all.
@@Musictroper76 Really depends on your luck and financial/family's financial situation. The smartest people I know have to take out loans despite applying for many scholarships and financial aid. Too rich to get grants too poor to get support from their parents as they say.
I wished i went to trade school before jumping straight to college. Imagine you get your trade license while completing credits to get your associates degree. By time you transfer to a university, you’ll just have 2 years to complete and you can pay your way through school using pell grants and your trade job. Damn lol
College is such a scam I dont blame these kids going a different route i went to college and took on massive debt finally paid it all back after 6 years but it was a struggle finding a job right after i graduate
Bro just cuz you ain’t play your cards right don’t mean it’s a scam 😂😂 plenty of people doing amazing after college, don’t try and downplay it just cuz it ain’t work out for you
@@moneymakinmitch8130 if your not going to college to become a doctor, lawyer, engineer or a S.T.E.M. professional it absolutely is a scam it doesn't make sense to go into debt with a fine arts degree ita not even worth the paper its printed on and I'm doing good now because I switched careers but if I had to do it all over again I wouldn't go to college that's just my 2 cents but you do you
@@moneymakinmitch8130 I'm doing just fine because I switched careers but going to college for anything other than being a doctor, lawyer, engineer, or a stem degree is crazy but if you want to go into debt for that than by all means you do you
@@moneymakinmitch8130 all depends with the career path you choose he ain’t lying though college is a scam you end up taking irrelevant classes that don’t even relate to what your majoring in & end up spending thousands of dollars with no guarantee of passing the class or getting a good job after graduation I went to college right after high school graduation in 2020 for 3 years realized it wasn’t for me left & found something different. Open your mind there’s different ways to obtain a good job other than college & taking on debt
@@moneymakinmitch8130had a family member that went to school so he can become a doctor & it didn’t work out for him because he realized what he was learning didn’t relate to what he wanted to major in
a lotta ppl dont know how the system works nor the loopholes to get by and find success. Instead they run off of what they’re told by others around them
Why do people act like this is a new thing? If you’ve ever gone to get your car fixed and there was a human there at the shop, they probably went to a trade school. Or, if you’ve ever called a plumber for a leak, and someone came over and fixed it, they went to a trade school. Going to a 4 year university after HS is a recent thing, not a traditional thing. There have always been plenty of people that didnt go.
@@trevorbeaverfan its for computer science related like web development, cyber security, software engineering, data science, artificial intelligence, networking, etc
Takeaway here is that if you’re not going to school to become a lawyer, doctor, scientists, accountant, engineer or you’re just not entirely sure what you want in life…. Just go to trade school.
When are you guys gonna give us stats on the ratio of Administrators to Professors at these universities? Do a study, pull some numbers. You know, journalism.
they will make a million more with a college degree. uhm factor in the loans that everyone need to get. yeah it is a lot less. Also it takes forever to get a degree because we need to take classes that have nothing to do with our degree. In other countries they get done with their degree faster. They are only required to take what is relevant to their degree and nothing else.
My sister and her husband both have masters degrees and earn over $500,000 per year as a couple. They also own multiple rental properties which brings in additional income which they use to pay off their mortgages.
@@aubreypassey6086my daughter had two basketball scholarships but ended up taking a full STEM scholarship. She has full tuition for four years and receives a $1200 stipend each month. She is on track to graduated a year early. The scholarship program just offered to cover her masters degree as well. She is studying to become a cellular biologist and was just offered a job at a biotech company.
Most of them won’t make a million more with a college degree especially with the garbage majors available. STEM, law, business are majors that this would apply to. But most are not taking courses in those areas. This rhetoric would’ve been true in the 90’s but it’s not anymore. There are all sorts of trade schools that offer courses that are actually valuable. They offer majors in accounting, IT, healthcare and others that pay way more than a traditional university. A million dollars no offense in today’s day and age is nothing. You can get way more doing a trade and starting a small business.
If you’re not going to college for STEM, law, or business then do a trade school instead. All these universities do is promote a bunch of useless theories instead of teaching valuable marketable skills.
@@xwrtk And yet most of the college graduates are underemployed and begging the Democrats to force those who didn’t take into to English to pay off their worthless education.
@@xwrtk Yet most of these college students who did take the English requirement and other useless classes are underemployed. That’s not a skill. Learning a bunch of theories that don’t translate to reality is not a marketable skill that will land you career which is the whole point of going to college in the first place.
@@xwrtk Yet most of these college students who did take that requirement and other classes are underemployed. That’s not a skill. Learning a bunch of theories that don’t translate to reality is not a marketable skill that will land you career which is the whole point of going to college in the first place.
@@strawberriesncandii Majority of colleges require English and other courses like Math, one history, etc for the entire student population in undergrad. I know people had to take the course and made almost 6 figures right outside of college or shortly after unless graduated in 2020. It wouldn’t make for an entire graduating to be unemployed and that barely happens. I have friends in medical school who use their English skills and even my cousin in residency school.
As someone in uni i can say studying for my stem degree is hot garbage lol its a lot of slow studying, no guarantee of pay off, technology is always off shored, im barely surviving off bare bones money being supported by parents. Still have one year to go so who knows what may change.
Your education is only a waste when you don't create your own opportunities. You decide if your degree pays off or not. People who go to college whine because they expect someone else to determine what they're worth. And I say that as someone who is working on their third masters.
@@kristenmoonrise "People who go to college whine because they expect someone else to determine what they're worth," that's literally the whole point of a degree and a job.
To build on what @kristenmoonrise said, I think a degree is more like the tool that gets you where you want to go. You figure out what you're going to do and you look for as many opportunities as you can in your classes to get more information or experience related to the field you want to specialize in. I think there may be a feeling of uneasiness for those who are trying to figure out what they want to do as they go along. For those people, it absolutely is not guaranteed to pay off. I don't think it is all for nothing though. Having a lot of knowledge in any STEM field is a great foundation for a multitude of careers.
My father was a retired electrician in the local union. I remember there were weeks when there was no work for him. He would go to the union hall to see if there were any projects. That lasted for a couple of years and then things picked up after that.
For Gen Z men especially, traditional college is a waste of time and money. All the debt and little to no return on investment. The degree usually won't pay itself off until after 20+ years. Gen Z men also have to compete with women for the same jobs after graduating college which makes the trades easier to get into.
“Competing with women.” What a weird thing to say. There’s a lot of reasons people (not just men) can’t afford higher education and why it isn’t smart to do for some.
At my high school and still to this day, the popular non-traditional route was cosmetology school or similar. Trades weren’t that popular. College degree route was obviously the most popular choice. However, we had more people go into cosmetology than people who choose to major in biology. Biology was a random I choose that was also popular amongst students from my high school. The student who allegedly made the most money outside of college was a music major but they got lucky. Students who came close salary wise weren’t stem majors.
I'm one of the Gen Zers who took this route. And no, high-school counselors haven't stopped pushing for college, we actually have to specify we aren't going to college, a lot. I had to put up with these so-called counselors saying how "it's really the best path for everybody" and how "you where a promising student, gifted actually, so it's surprising you're deciding to stop your education at only the High-School level." If I make $1mil less than a college grad in my life, congrats, I didn't have to spend the first 20yrs of my adult life stressing out about being in debt.
I think college is awesome but it certainly is not the best choice for everyone. That really bothers me that your counselor said that. As if higher education is the only way to make use of being bright.
I got a 2 year degree and am doing almost better than ppl with bachelors or masters. My Mom asked me to get a bachelors and i asked her why ill make the same money?
I dropped out of college when the company that was interning for offered me a full time job. They started me at $65,000 and within three years I was earning $100,000. I have been with the company for 30 years now. Five years ago when Covid hit I was able to work from home 100% of the time. Three years ago I switched to working three days a week so I could spend more time with my family. I get 8 weeks of vacation each year and 10 paid holidays. I still bring home over $200K with bonuses. I am thankful everyday that I was able to provide for my family. Fortunately for me, I was able to put my wife through college and she earns more than me. College is not for everyone.
Skills USA is an amazing program, and there are so many different trades. This year I had the opportunity to do Skills USA and it was an amazing time, I was able to make it to the State level and compete for Nationals, and though I didn't make it onto the podium my two other friends did. They got Silver and Bronze, If you're school has this you should totally sign up for it. It is an experience you will never forget
I worked for a non-profit trade school as a recruiter years ago in San Diego, I went to the Sweetwater school district and had a meeting with someone there to see if we could be included in their college fair, explained that college is not for everyone and that students should have options. I was shut down and told that we were basically ruining students futures and that they want to encourage students to go to college. They also said that they didn’t want students to get student loans, even though we guaranteed that trade school also accept FAFSA, even if they do get a loan it would have been less than half of what they would need to get for an under grad degree. It was very disappointing to hear this directly from a school district.
Considering college doesn't lock the doors on those over a certain age, it seems rather questionable why they thought student's futures were over with this route. The FAFSA usually extends much further, especially if the program takes longer. And those students would have the advantage of either saving up money or simply paying for classes while working.
SkillsUSA has literally changed my life. I’m a senior in highschool and just from Nov. 2023-present I went to a Fall Leadership Conference in Albany, NY, the Area 2 regional competition for collision repair (placed 2nd), and STATE COMPETITION at the NYS Fairgrounds at the end of April, placing 2nd in Auto Refinishing!! The winner is unable to go to nationals, so guess who gets to go to Atlanta in June?!?! 😁There are *no limits* no matter your age, gender, religion, etc. Don’t even worry about what everyone else is doing or thinking. You will also fit right in where you are meant to be, don’t let anything stop you. The trades are becoming more inclusive and diverse as they are becoming desperate for workers!
Is nobody concerned that more and more of our higher educated persons in America are foreigners? Trade schools are awesome, but we should be fighting for affordable college for things like medical, engineering, or law degrees and let them charge up the nose for things like art degrees.
As a college graduate, I’m proud of them for choosing their own path and choosing trades that can make them money whenever and wherever! But I still encourage them to never stop learning! One of the biggest benefits of college is the way it gets you to think critically and analytically and question the information you receive as well as how to do your research. Trade school is great…at teaching you to be a worker ant. But now more than ever, you need to stay vigilant and sharp. It is an uneducated mass that is easy to control and manipulate. So keep educating yourself!
College is only going downhill from here, they are going to continue to increase the price every year and when that happens more and more people with go the non traditional way.
Trade school is good for some and college is good for others. Both paths depending on the major have demand in the economy. What really irks me is that usually half your time in college is taking courses unrelated to the degree(ex. 2/4 years doing a biology degree). Especially now when tuition is so pricey its like buying a home. The return has also decreased as degrees cost more and wages haven't increased as sharply.
Glad I did military service before college. Now I get paid to go, and I think of it more like a temp job with credentials at the end. I wouldn't do college if I weren't being paid to. It's so pointless... except for a choice dozen classes or so. The curriculum is so bloated.
I encourage anyone go to community college or do school part time if you get no fafsa. I get fafsa and am very lucky but these classes are really hard. No child deserves that financial stress
As an older gen Zer I chose welding instead of fully going to college for 4 years because 2 years into college I was disheartened with my current progress at the time and major I was in, so I chose welding and enrolled into my school's welding program and graduated with a welding certificate.
just because college isn't for everyone, it also doesn't mean trade school is for everyone. They make it sound as though pursuing trades guarantees success. Sure, college degree doesn't guarantee success, but neither does a career in trades.
There’s more of a successful rate in trade than college if you wanna talk statistics and facts. If I’m fresh out of high school I’m leaning towards what gives me the most experience/guidance and money and guaranteed at that point and we all know it’s trade school. Trade schools don’t have a 60% drop out rate that is terrible and it keeps going up and up hey I’m just going to sit here do my job make my money lean people to come with me pay them well and watch all of this stuff crash and burn
My daughter graduates this year with her welding certification and entrance into the local community college 2 year program for a more intricate program then into a paid apprenticeship ❤ mommas heart is proud!
I’m glad this shift is finally happening. I went to a low-income high school back in 2016 and it was disgusting how these academic advisors obnoxiously pressured students to go to college, but never discussed HOW to pay for tuition or even career options. They just assumed because we were poor, we’d get it for “free”, which wasn’t the case for a lot of students and now many either fell for the sunk cost fallacy with a useless major or dropped out to go to a junior college (…which our faculty scoffed at). Students should be shown all the available resources! Some community colleges even offer apprenticeship programs and other non-profit institutes provide training as well (as shared in this video). My ethos: A mental health therapist who is fed up with teachers/faculty who think they know best for their students when they only know one piece of the puzzle.
Yeah so I’m taking the medical field route and college is very important for that lol. This is a good opportunity though for people in the local work force though.
This is great! It's how it should be! We need these kids! Not everyone wants to go the traditional academic route and it's wrong of us to force that on them. It isn't beneficial to the kids that simply have different plans, and good ones at that.
Trades people typically learn more and know more in 2 years on the job than the architects and engineers do in 4 years of college. Can't tell you how many "office" screw ups I've had to fix over the years between construction and mechanic jobs.
If you already know what your gonna do in life after highschool, like having dreams and goals and where to start, you go do it instead wasting time in college. If you don't have any idea what to do after highschool, then better go to college and learn more by meeting people there and find your purpose 👌
Its just a bummer so many states make a 4 year degree mandatory for certain licenses to work. Thankfully my military service is paid for my first degree and also my second.
In my high school, you can be bussed to a trade school for half the day, and go to high school for half the day. You just can't have electives. Its a 3 year program, and its all paid for by the school district. So when you finish senior year. Your already ready to work.
Good for them! They are making smart choices. If they are not inclined to work on jobs that require a university degree, such as doctor, lawyer, chemist, etc. then, this seems like a great option. They may even end up earning more than their peers who went to uni! 🙌✨ Either way, they are still young and can decide to get a degree later on if they want to. Developing their skills in a trade early on may also help them fund their own higher education.
I know people with an engineering degree that struggled to find work and or don’t even use the degree as double major. The double major is typically a degree deemed not useful but still lands the person a stable job.
The report annoyed me at the end. Because they say that non-traditional avenues for college are better, but then they say that college degrees make more money that's an incorrect skew and fake news
I'm a lineman in Houston and average $200k+ a year I will retire with several millions in my retirement because of my union benefits that are paid by companies and not out of my check. Go trades and go union.
I definitely agree with the initiative of choosing trade school over college, if you’re not going for something equally as valuable such as a doctor, surgeon, etc. I myself will be going to college but will be taking a gap semester or year, and I’m extremely fortunate to not have to take out any loans to go to my state’s flagship. However, you should still really only go if you know what you’re going to do and it’s going to be something that makes money.
Trade jobs are successful job now because lack workers so demand is high now. Once there's a lot workers to pick from things will change. A college degrees were valuable because not many had them.
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who is going to college just to learn things, not necessarily to make tons of money one day. I'm super curious about everything and college just scratches that itch, you know. I'm most likely going to end up a teacher because I want to inspire curiosity and creativity in other people, too. Life is precious and our time is limited. I don't want to look back on my life (if I make it to old age) and think... why did I waste so many years trying to make so much money I don't need. I reserve judgment for those who pursue trades and high paying jobs that require degrees because I realize they do open up doors for people who have different goals and aspirations. For example, many people want to get married and have a family (a wish I do not have) and making more money would be a better life move for them than for me.
A lot of people don’t understand that a construction like jobs will be decrease once Robots and Ai becomes more affordable and that will comes with time. The reason is people get injured more often in construction like job and they want to reduce chances of lawsuits etc. They may will hire you to work along side with the robots but with robots they will not have to hire a lot of workers. Yes you can get in it now and make $ because it’s just a matter of time. The ways our society are going and if you notice every generation there is better and more advance machinery. They already have the tech it’s just they need more investors and a way to make it more affordable
It should be illegal for someone the give a kid 25 50 or even 100k student loans i can't imagine having that much in debt i don't understand why people aren't more a afraid of debt i have a really good job and live debt free and if feels so good i feel like i can do anything i want to within reason Of course
They need certifications with GUARANTEED job placement. Not degrees with 100k of student loan debt and a $10 starting position that requires 2 years experience.
This generation is the king of thinking for themselves and the older gens absolutely hate it. This younger generation doesnt look at old heads as role models, or a guiding light, or the diety that they wish they were that's why they bash these kids so much. They refuse to admit these kids are setting new smarter trends in a much more hostile environment both economically, crime wise, and resource availability wise. Yeah you had to walk 500 miles to get to school pops but atleast you got to walk across that stage. Covid had these kids graduating on Zoom.
Debt, Useless degree, 4 years+ of my life wasted OR No debt, something you can start work right away, time spent either learning something or working WHILE getting paid.
These guys will change the world, not because of their cutting edge research but by doing all the regular stuff that keeps our society going on a daily basis, their impact will be seen sooner and immediately in some cases. We have enough pencil pushers, bureaucrats, glorified babysitters and seat warmers. We need people who do real work and get their hands dirty to keep the society from collapsing.
In the 90's, high school counselors HEAVILY pushed everyone to college. My friend decided to go to trade school, and his counselor told him he was "throwing his life away". He now makes more money than most of our classmates.
Well that was the 90s for u but it still happens but more by the parents especially immigrant
He's still a manual laborer who will ruin his body and die in his 60s. Making money with your hands isn't fun
He probably makes more than high school counselors too
But there are still parents out there who push kids to go to college especially immigrant
I was pushed to go to college by my parents and the school counselor. I graduated college and I’m a hotel housekeeper now 🤡
Oh no, how dare Gen Z learn from the previous generations and not drink the Kool aid about going to college. The audacity of these whipper snappers...
College isn’t for everyone, nothing wrong with students choosing to go to trade school, just like there’s nothing wrong with students who see college as the logical next step for themselves. Glad there’s more publicity about this current generation taking alternative pathways towards employment, but college and higher education is still very important for many career paths in society.
@@Stryke2wicetbf there is a few things wrong with college, in idea it’s fine, in practice it works differently, lmk if you want an elaboration.
@@blak3brutus229 yeah there is but some disciplines do require a college education because of the advanced levels of math.
There was absolutely no suggestion that this is a bad thing in the video. It helps to watch things instead of making assumptions before you comment.
Gen z is just a bunch of idiots and weirdos who can’t even decide which bathroom to use let alone a career🤣🤣
Good. We need mechanics, plumbers, electricians, etc…
I’m studying electrical engineering at my college and I plan to go to a trade school after
That sounds ridiculous, but I got my electrical engineering degree 20 years ago. @@nekopop8159
@@nekopop8159 Welp if your studying that, then you can be a electrician at trade school after college and you'd earn even more money, your not only an engineer, but also a future electrician.
and you also need doctors, lawyers, etc
@@nekopop8159I'm confused why not become an engineer?
Mark Cuban once said the day we ban student loans is the day that the cost of tuition will go down.
my hubby agreed with this!!
Dont trust that guy. People are called sharks for reasons.
The problem is that student loans are backed by wall street and taking away student loans would crash the stock market.
One of the few times Mark's really missed the target.
@@thegreatapple9616he’s not a shark though if he knows you personally he’ll go lengths for you look at what he did to delonte west who was on his team when he found out he was homeless
It’s sad that school is so expensive because we’re going start having shortages of teachers, doctors, nurses ext because no one can afford to go to School .
We already have shortages in all those areas. We also have a bunch of trade jobs that are short. It's part of what is driving up prices in housing.
Nah they'll just import some curry doctors with that ridiculous accent
I hope these guys entering trade schools look at their job as a craft like the guys in the past. Maybe we'll start to see houses built to last hundreds of years again. Of course those were probably union jobs.
@@Here4TheHeckOfIt Unions jobs are crap. People who actually like to do physical labor don't want some office know it all telling them when to take a break.
100 years ago construction unions were ran by the mob. It was that way until the 90s in NYC. That's how dental Trump got all his mob connections.
I hope they realize they are opting to become a stupid laborer breaking their backs like a servant just so some average looking girls can get rich on onlyfans and live a comfortable life in the luxury houses and apartments they will be tasked with building and fixing. THERE SHOULD BE A FULL BLOWN BOYCOTT OF PHYSICAL LABOR
The only reason you go to college is to use expensive equipment to educate yourself; magnetic resonance imaging scanner, wind tunnels, super computers, electron microscopes, anechoic chambers, rare chemicals etc. If you are just going to college to read books, writing papers, you can do it over the internet.
That’s really what it feels like . If your goal is something medical , accounting, engineering, computer science etc … i.e any of the “golden degrees” you are good at, college is very much worth it. But , but if your interest is not in one of the “golden degrees” then I really question the value of college.
True, but the issue is with recruiters and employers. Without a degree, you will not be taken seriously for certain jobs and you won't even land an interview. But you are correct, you don't need a degree to learn. You only need to read. If you do not get a degree, go for certifications so you have something to show.
you also get access to technical and advanced software like AutoCAD to train yourself.
@@kietdaoakaicyauto desk is free though
Yeah, stuff like doctors, scientists, engineering, that kind of thing
bring shop class back to high schools
They (mines) have them what
Mine has welding but not woodworking
I guess thay counts, but I wish they did have woodworking as a student
Mine has welding, wood working, construction, automotive, and carpentry shops hahaha
and home ec too
@@atticusstewart3991 nice
Not everyone is meant to use their hands, just like not everyone is meant to work in an office.
Find out what you like and go from there. It’s a pretty simple decision in my opinion
Exactly! As long as they are choosing something that they feel they can be good at, and that provides financial stability, then it is all good, whether you choose a good college degree or trade school.
not everyone gets to be part of the elites, most of us can only stay being part of the lower classes
Well said.
Colleges are only worth it if you're pursuing something with high pay potential, like a lawyer or doctor. You can still go to college... but play your part accordingly
I can't wait for those strong, independent women with degrees in education, counseling, psychology, business, and non STEM degrees learn how useless their degree actual are lmao lol
I'm a Gen Z man. I'm going to college because i wanna be a doctor. However, i'm also learning in my free time how to do some basic plumbing, electricity, gardening, cooking, etc. Because i wanna be useful and not having to pay for everything that gets fixed in my home.
I'm also helping my friends to learn some skills (including my gf and female friends who aren't usually taught these things).
@@TheJosman hey before you make a huge commitment actually start studying economics and how to make money. I believe the US dollar will collapse in the 2030s. You can do your own independent research
Alternatively, you also go there to make connections. From the top of my head, film degrees are the best examples. Make connections with your classmates and professors and use each other to find internships/assistant roles after dropping out/graduating. Pay won't be high (unless you make it big) but it's for those who are just passionate in creating
Also it's great if you're pursuing a STEM related field. Ex. Astronomy, aerospace, research, etc.
Edit: for the connection side, that's not to say you can't do that after graduating high school. You just won't be able to reach out to the bigger reps (unless you have family connections/wealthy contacts)
And someone with 3 degrees, I support Gen Z. I do well financially, but the cost is astronomical and I’m hustling to pay off my student debt. I’m going to encourage my child to go to trade school or community college, then have his employer pay for his bachelors if he decides to pursue a 4-year degree.
As a millennial that paid 40,000 dollars for a college degree I don’t use, I agree with this.
Majority of mainstream media is gaslighting people into making bad decisions. There's a reason that people are paranoid nowadays; everywhere they go they are being lied to and understand on an unconscious level that this doesn't make sense.
No need to pay a cent for college.
@@Musictroper76 Saddly, in the US college isn't free. My relatives in Mexico all have free college tuition but i don't.
@@TheJosman It's free if you know how find the right kind of aid and/or scholarships. I did not pay one cent to get my Bachelor degree. Pell grants and scholarships took care of it all.
@@Musictroper76 Really depends on your luck and financial/family's financial situation. The smartest people I know have to take out loans despite applying for many scholarships and financial aid. Too rich to get grants too poor to get support from their parents as they say.
I regret not becoming a pilot, while I have a decent career now. I spent all my time to paying off debt anyway
It's never too late . Join the civil air patrol. They can help you become a pilot for alot cheaper than you think.
@@GabbieGirl007 Thanks for that info! I will look into them.
Also you could look into All In Aviation as well
I was just about to say go for it!! I’m glad someone else felt the same way! If you regret it and you still have time take advantage of that!
@@vincem2759 you're very welcome hope you can get your wings some day soon
I wished i went to trade school before jumping straight to college. Imagine you get your trade license while completing credits to get your associates degree.
By time you transfer to a university, you’ll just have 2 years to complete and you can pay your way through school using pell grants and your trade job.
Damn lol
College is such a scam I dont blame these kids going a different route i went to college and took on massive debt finally paid it all back after 6 years but it was a struggle finding a job right after i graduate
Bro just cuz you ain’t play your cards right don’t mean it’s a scam 😂😂 plenty of people doing amazing after college, don’t try and downplay it just cuz it ain’t work out for you
@@moneymakinmitch8130 if your not going to college to become a doctor, lawyer, engineer or a S.T.E.M. professional it absolutely is a scam it doesn't make sense to go into debt with a fine arts degree ita not even worth the paper its printed on and I'm doing good now because I switched careers but if I had to do it all over again I wouldn't go to college that's just my 2 cents but you do you
@@moneymakinmitch8130 I'm doing just fine because I switched careers but going to college for anything other than being a doctor, lawyer, engineer, or a stem degree is crazy but if you want to go into debt for that than by all means you do you
@@moneymakinmitch8130 all depends with the career path you choose he ain’t lying though college is a scam you end up taking irrelevant classes that don’t even relate to what your majoring in & end up spending thousands of dollars with no guarantee of passing the class or getting a good job after graduation I went to college right after high school graduation in 2020 for 3 years realized it wasn’t for me left & found something different. Open your mind there’s different ways to obtain a good job other than college & taking on debt
@@moneymakinmitch8130had a family member that went to school so he can become a doctor & it didn’t work out for him because he realized what he was learning didn’t relate to what he wanted to major in
My family pushed College on me, but I refused. I wanted to cook. I wanted to create.
Good on you following your passion 👏💯
No go to college
There are so many ways to go. The most important thing is to make a plan and write out what you need to do to get to the end goal.
a lotta ppl dont know how the system works nor the loopholes to get by and find success. Instead they run off of what they’re told by others around them
Why do people act like this is a new thing? If you’ve ever gone to get your car fixed and there was a human there at the shop, they probably went to a trade school. Or, if you’ve ever called a plumber for a leak, and someone came over and fixed it, they went to a trade school. Going to a 4 year university after HS is a recent thing, not a traditional thing. There have always been plenty of people that didnt go.
College, a waste of 4 years learning about useless classes that are not relevant to your career.
Are you actually brainrot ? 😭🤣you get to PICK n CHOOSE what you learn abt it idiot
As a biochemist I would have to disagree.
@@bubblegodanimation4915 what classes you take
As a criminal justice professor, I need my degrees (including Ph.D.).
@@neomatrix4412 Look up the UW biochem degree requirements.
there are bootcamps and certifications as well
Many would recommend not joining the Military!
@@trevorbeaverfan its for computer science related like web development, cyber security, software engineering, data science, artificial intelligence, networking, etc
@@kushpatel8968 Oh got ya. I thought you were talking about the Military.
@@trevorbeaverfan i know a lot of self taught engineers
Maybe like 4 years ago they would work lol. CS careers took a nosedive even for those with a degree.
Takeaway here is that if you’re not going to school to become a lawyer, doctor, scientists, accountant, engineer or you’re just not entirely sure what you want in life…. Just go to trade school.
20 years later “more kids ditching trade schools for college”
😂😂😂
They got plenty of time to do what they want. Don’t rush, live your life..
When are you guys gonna give us stats on the ratio of Administrators to Professors at these universities? Do a study, pull some numbers. You know, journalism.
The only thing college gave me was a degree to satisfy the prerequisite to apply to law school. That’s it. No real skills.
they will make a million more with a college degree. uhm factor in the loans that everyone need to get. yeah it is a lot less. Also it takes forever to get a degree because we need to take classes that have nothing to do with our degree. In other countries they get done with their degree faster. They are only required to take what is relevant to their degree and nothing else.
Scholarships pal they have more than just academics and athletics you just have to look. I do agree with you tho that it takes longer for us
My sister and her husband both have masters degrees and earn over $500,000 per year as a couple. They also own multiple rental properties which brings in additional income which they use to pay off their mortgages.
@@aubreypassey6086my daughter had two basketball scholarships but ended up taking a full STEM scholarship. She has full tuition for four years and receives a $1200 stipend each month. She is on track to graduated a year early. The scholarship program just offered to cover her masters degree as well. She is studying to become a cellular biologist and was just offered a job at a biotech company.
Cool. What do they have masters degrees in?
Most of them won’t make a million more with a college degree especially with the garbage majors available. STEM, law, business are majors that this would apply to. But most are not taking courses in those areas. This rhetoric would’ve been true in the 90’s but it’s not anymore. There are all sorts of trade schools that offer courses that are actually valuable. They offer majors in accounting, IT, healthcare and others that pay way more than a traditional university. A million dollars no offense in today’s day and age is nothing. You can get way more doing a trade and starting a small business.
If you’re not going to college for STEM, law, or business then do a trade school instead. All these universities do is promote a bunch of useless theories instead of teaching valuable marketable skills.
Most colleges require intro to English or similar. It’s not stem but still valuable regardless of your career choice.
@@xwrtk And yet most of the college graduates are underemployed and begging the Democrats to force those who didn’t take into to English to pay off their worthless education.
@@xwrtk Yet most of these college students who did take the English requirement and other useless classes are underemployed. That’s not a skill. Learning a bunch of theories that don’t translate to reality is not a marketable skill that will land you career which is the whole point of going to college in the first place.
@@xwrtk Yet most of these college students who did take that requirement and other classes are underemployed. That’s not a skill. Learning a bunch of theories that don’t translate to reality is not a marketable skill that will land you career which is the whole point of going to college in the first place.
@@strawberriesncandii Majority of colleges require English and other courses like Math, one history, etc for the entire student population in undergrad. I know people had to take the course and made almost 6 figures right outside of college or shortly after unless graduated in 2020. It wouldn’t make for an entire graduating to be unemployed and that barely happens. I have friends in medical school who use their English skills and even my cousin in residency school.
As someone in uni i can say studying for my stem degree is hot garbage lol its a lot of slow studying, no guarantee of pay off, technology is always off shored, im barely surviving off bare bones money being supported by parents. Still have one year to go so who knows what may change.
Your education is only a waste when you don't create your own opportunities. You decide if your degree pays off or not. People who go to college whine because they expect someone else to determine what they're worth. And I say that as someone who is working on their third masters.
@@kristenmoonrise "People who go to college whine because they expect someone else to determine what they're worth," that's literally the whole point of a degree and a job.
@@guidelamp4025 create your own opportunities with your education and skillsets. We're no longer in a time to expect your hand to be held.
To build on what @kristenmoonrise said, I think a degree is more like the tool that gets you where you want to go. You figure out what you're going to do and you look for as many opportunities as you can in your classes to get more information or experience related to the field you want to specialize in. I think there may be a feeling of uneasiness for those who are trying to figure out what they want to do as they go along. For those people, it absolutely is not guaranteed to pay off. I don't think it is all for nothing though. Having a lot of knowledge in any STEM field is a great foundation for a multitude of careers.
Industrial Electrician and PLC programming is a winning combination. Make a ton of money and get a job anywhere in the US.
My father was a retired electrician in the local union. I remember there were weeks when there was no work for him. He would go to the union hall to see if there were any projects. That lasted for a couple of years and then things picked up after that.
For Gen Z men especially, traditional college is a waste of time and money. All the debt and little to no return on investment. The degree usually won't pay itself off until after 20+ years. Gen Z men also have to compete with women for the same jobs after graduating college which makes the trades easier to get into.
Speak for yourself. Get into a good college with an academic scholarship and you'll be fine
“Competing with women.” What a weird thing to say. There’s a lot of reasons people (not just men) can’t afford higher education and why it isn’t smart to do for some.
@@rbae my daddys rich he just paid for it out of pocket. I got a degree and no debt
@@rbaehow much does a good college cost?
@@user-fh7zw6br4h nothing if you get an academic scholarship or go in-state off of merit scholarships
Who would ever thought that trade school that people discredited back there is now become a valuable thing
At my high school and still to this day, the popular non-traditional route was cosmetology school or similar. Trades weren’t that popular. College degree route was obviously the most popular choice. However, we had more people go into cosmetology than people who choose to major in biology. Biology was a random I choose that was also popular amongst students from my high school. The student who allegedly made the most money outside of college was a music major but they got lucky. Students who came close salary wise weren’t stem majors.
I'm one of the Gen Zers who took this route. And no, high-school counselors haven't stopped pushing for college, we actually have to specify we aren't going to college, a lot.
I had to put up with these so-called counselors saying how "it's really the best path for everybody" and how "you where a promising student, gifted actually, so it's surprising you're deciding to stop your education at only the High-School level."
If I make $1mil less than a college grad in my life, congrats, I didn't have to spend the first 20yrs of my adult life stressing out about being in debt.
I think college is awesome but it certainly is not the best choice for everyone. That really bothers me that your counselor said that. As if higher education is the only way to make use of being bright.
I got a 2 year degree and am doing almost better than ppl with bachelors or masters. My Mom asked me to get a bachelors and i asked her why ill make the same money?
What do you do?
I dropped out of college when the company that was interning for offered me a full time job. They started me at $65,000 and within three years I was earning $100,000. I have been with the company for 30 years now. Five years ago when Covid hit I was able to work from home 100% of the time. Three years ago I switched to working three days a week so I could spend more time with my family. I get 8 weeks of vacation each year and 10 paid holidays. I still bring home over $200K with bonuses. I am thankful everyday that I was able to provide for my family. Fortunately for me, I was able to put my wife through college and she earns more than me. College is not for everyone.
@@mocheen4837 what do you do?
Skills USA is an amazing program, and there are so many different trades. This year I had the opportunity to do Skills USA and it was an amazing time, I was able to make it to the State level and compete for Nationals, and though I didn't make it onto the podium my two other friends did. They got Silver and Bronze, If you're school has this you should totally sign up for it. It is an experience you will never forget
I worked for a non-profit trade school as a recruiter years ago in San Diego, I went to the Sweetwater school district and had a meeting with someone there to see if we could be included in their college fair, explained that college is not for everyone and that students should have options. I was shut down and told that we were basically ruining students futures and that they want to encourage students to go to college. They also said that they didn’t want students to get student loans, even though we guaranteed that trade school also accept FAFSA, even if they do get a loan it would have been less than half of what they would need to get for an under grad degree. It was very disappointing to hear this directly from a school district.
Considering college doesn't lock the doors on those over a certain age, it seems rather questionable why they thought student's futures were over with this route. The FAFSA usually extends much further, especially if the program takes longer. And those students would have the advantage of either saving up money or simply paying for classes while working.
SkillsUSA has literally changed my life. I’m a senior in highschool and just from Nov. 2023-present I went to a Fall Leadership Conference in Albany, NY, the Area 2 regional competition for collision repair (placed 2nd), and STATE COMPETITION at the NYS Fairgrounds at the end of April, placing 2nd in Auto Refinishing!! The winner is unable to go to nationals, so guess who gets to go to Atlanta in June?!?! 😁There are *no limits* no matter your age, gender, religion, etc. Don’t even worry about what everyone else is doing or thinking. You will also fit right in where you are meant to be, don’t let anything stop you. The trades are becoming more inclusive and diverse as they are becoming desperate for workers!
I love this story, thank you for sharing this victory. Best of luck with your future
Is nobody concerned that more and more of our higher educated persons in America are foreigners? Trade schools are awesome, but we should be fighting for affordable college for things like medical, engineering, or law degrees and let them charge up the nose for things like art degrees.
It's why our economy is dying. America is a money siphon for foreigners
🤓
The expense in college may decrease with demand.
YOOO SKILLSUSA IN THE THUMBNAIL REPRESENT 💪💪
Hey, whatever makes them happy or more affordable. Thats the real world.
As a college graduate, I’m proud of them for choosing their own path and choosing trades that can make them money whenever and wherever!
But I still encourage them to never stop learning! One of the biggest benefits of college is the way it gets you to think critically and analytically and question the information you receive as well as how to do your research.
Trade school is great…at teaching you to be a worker ant. But now more than ever, you need to stay vigilant and sharp. It is an uneducated mass that is easy to control and manipulate. So keep educating yourself!
College is only going downhill from here, they are going to continue to increase the price every year and when that happens more and more people with go the non traditional way.
I'm just waiting for the part where we start hearing stories about an over saturation of people going into trades a few years from now.
That's exactly what's going to happen.
Yes then immigrants coming ,low pay
Trade school is good for some and college is good for others. Both paths depending on the major have demand in the economy. What really irks me is that usually half your time in college is taking courses unrelated to the degree(ex. 2/4 years doing a biology degree). Especially now when tuition is so pricey its like buying a home. The return has also decreased as degrees cost more and wages haven't increased as sharply.
As I gen zeer I really enjoy going against the crowd, doing my own thing , not following others. We should decide what we'll do with our own future .
Glad I did military service before college. Now I get paid to go, and I think of it more like a temp job with credentials at the end. I wouldn't do college if I weren't being paid to. It's so pointless... except for a choice dozen classes or so. The curriculum is so bloated.
I encourage anyone go to community college or do school part time if you get no fafsa. I get fafsa and am very lucky but these classes are really hard. No child deserves that financial stress
As an older gen Zer I chose welding instead of fully going to college for 4 years because 2 years into college I was disheartened with my current progress at the time and major I was in, so I chose welding and enrolled into my school's welding program and graduated with a welding certificate.
Good I graduated from esthetics school now I’m in my bachelors for communication
You got this! 🫡🙌💪
just because college isn't for everyone, it also doesn't mean trade school is for everyone. They make it sound as though pursuing trades guarantees success. Sure, college degree doesn't guarantee success, but neither does a career in trades.
There’s more of a successful rate in trade than college if you wanna talk statistics and facts. If I’m fresh out of high school I’m leaning towards what gives me the most experience/guidance and money and guaranteed at that point and we all know it’s trade school. Trade schools don’t have a 60% drop out rate that is terrible and it keeps going up and up hey I’m just going to sit here do my job make my money lean people to come with me pay them well and watch all of this stuff crash and burn
And I make more money then people with ph’d degrees
Going to construction is rough right now due to how bad the house market is
Good, this is the backbone of America. The younger generation is growing back, where previous generations let it wither away.
My daughter graduates this year with her welding certification and entrance into the local community college 2 year program for a more intricate program then into a paid apprenticeship ❤ mommas heart is proud!
I’m glad this shift is finally happening. I went to a low-income high school back in 2016 and it was disgusting how these academic advisors obnoxiously pressured students to go to college, but never discussed HOW to pay for tuition or even career options. They just assumed because we were poor, we’d get it for “free”, which wasn’t the case for a lot of students and now many either fell for the sunk cost fallacy with a useless major or dropped out to go to a junior college (…which our faculty scoffed at).
Students should be shown all the available resources! Some community colleges even offer apprenticeship programs and other non-profit institutes provide training as well (as shared in this video).
My ethos: A mental health therapist who is fed up with teachers/faculty who think they know best for their students when they only know one piece of the puzzle.
Good to see people are seeing that college ain’t the only avenue to have a better life.
Good. Trades schools are the best. They teach you everything you need to start out learning. Apprenticeship here in year one. Master in 4 years.
Yeah so I’m taking the medical field route and college is very important for that lol. This is a good opportunity though for people in the local work force though.
About time. Because this country was build with people like this. Me being in skill trade for about 10 years. I agree of this message.
I’m 22 yrs old these kids are giving me motivation foreal
This is great! It's how it should be! We need these kids! Not everyone wants to go the traditional academic route and it's wrong of us to force that on them. It isn't beneficial to the kids that simply have different plans, and good ones at that.
I'm 18 years old and I will be going to college. I can't get to where I want to be without it.
Electric was so fun, just got out of trade school! This reminds me i got opportunities!
Trucking logistics is my vibe. Low barrier to entry, salaries above the national average. $73k last year with no college.
Trades people typically learn more and know more in 2 years on the job than the architects and engineers do in 4 years of college. Can't tell you how many "office" screw ups I've had to fix over the years between construction and mechanic jobs.
If you already know what your gonna do in life after highschool, like having dreams and goals and where to start, you go do it instead wasting time in college. If you don't have any idea what to do after highschool, then better go to college and learn more by meeting people there and find your purpose 👌
Its just a bummer so many states make a 4 year degree mandatory for certain licenses to work. Thankfully my military service is paid for my first degree and also my second.
In my high school, you can be bussed to a trade school for half the day, and go to high school for half the day. You just can't have electives. Its a 3 year program, and its all paid for by the school district. So when you finish senior year. Your already ready to work.
Good for them! They are making smart choices. If they are not inclined to work on jobs that require a university degree, such as doctor, lawyer, chemist, etc. then, this seems like a great option. They may even end up earning more than their peers who went to uni! 🙌✨ Either way, they are still young and can decide to get a degree later on if they want to. Developing their skills in a trade early on may also help them fund their own higher education.
This is a good idea, less people should go to college unless your choosing a specialized major for example Engineering, finances or medical.
I know people with an engineering degree that struggled to find work and or don’t even use the degree as double major. The double major is typically a degree deemed not useful but still lands the person a stable job.
I wish I would have known about trade schools when I was younger
The report annoyed me at the end. Because they say that non-traditional avenues for college are better, but then they say that college degrees make more money that's an incorrect skew and fake news
I'm a lineman in Houston and average $200k+ a year I will retire with several millions in my retirement because of my union benefits that are paid by companies and not out of my check. Go trades and go union.
I have chosen vegan cooking as my subject..wish i could succeed in life❤
Thought the thumbnail was of an America's Got Talent performer LOL
I’m really proud of them ❤
I definitely agree with the initiative of choosing trade school over college, if you’re not going for something equally as valuable such as a doctor, surgeon, etc. I myself will be going to college but will be taking a gap semester or year, and I’m extremely fortunate to not have to take out any loans to go to my state’s flagship. However, you should still really only go if you know what you’re going to do and it’s going to be something that makes money.
Good for them! There are so many other fantastic paths than traditional college.
Trade jobs are successful job now because lack workers so demand is high now. Once there's a lot workers to pick from things will change. A college degrees were valuable because not many had them.
Society needs this so I wholeheartedly support this!
This is just perfect. 👍
Fawk College. Teaches you to be an employee rather than own your own business.
Convent
I'm watching this in my college dorm.
Means that those colleges can no longer fund themselves.....
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who is going to college just to learn things, not necessarily to make tons of money one day. I'm super curious about everything and college just scratches that itch, you know. I'm most likely going to end up a teacher because I want to inspire curiosity and creativity in other people, too. Life is precious and our time is limited. I don't want to look back on my life (if I make it to old age) and think... why did I waste so many years trying to make so much money I don't need.
I reserve judgment for those who pursue trades and high paying jobs that require degrees because I realize they do open up doors for people who have different goals and aspirations. For example, many people want to get married and have a family (a wish I do not have) and making more money would be a better life move for them than for me.
Nobody will make tons of money going to college tho
im glad she said it, AI will change educational dynamics dramatically
College is the biggest scam. Im in my 2nd year and its hell
A lot of people don’t understand that a construction like jobs will be decrease once Robots and Ai becomes more affordable and that will comes with time. The reason is people get injured more often in construction like job and they want to reduce chances of lawsuits etc.
They may will hire you to work along side with the robots but with robots they will not have to hire a lot of workers.
Yes you can get in it now and make $ because it’s just a matter of time. The ways our society are going and if you notice every generation there is better and more advance machinery.
They already have the tech it’s just they need more investors and a way to make it more affordable
It should be illegal for someone the give a kid 25 50 or even 100k student loans i can't imagine having that much in debt i don't understand why people aren't more a afraid of debt i have a really good job and live debt free and if feels so good i feel like i can do anything i want to within reason Of course
They need certifications with GUARANTEED job placement. Not degrees with 100k of student loan debt and a $10 starting position that requires 2 years experience.
I'm good with this & salute it
This generation is the king of thinking for themselves and the older gens absolutely hate it.
This younger generation doesnt look at old heads as role models, or a guiding light, or the diety that they wish they were that's why they bash these kids so much. They refuse to admit these kids are setting new smarter trends in a much more hostile environment both economically, crime wise, and resource availability wise.
Yeah you had to walk 500 miles to get to school pops but atleast you got to walk across that stage. Covid had these kids graduating on Zoom.
I don’t blame yall
Do ya thang
Debt, Useless degree, 4 years+ of my life wasted
OR
No debt, something you can start work right away, time spent either learning something or working WHILE getting paid.
we have to. we’ve been lied to and no one is trying to be in servitude paying back loans for the rest of our lives. we’re good.
These guys will change the world, not because of their cutting edge research but by doing all the regular stuff that keeps our society going on a daily basis, their impact will be seen sooner and immediately in some cases. We have enough pencil pushers, bureaucrats, glorified babysitters and seat warmers. We need people who do real work and get their hands dirty to keep the society from collapsing.
Good for them. I make more than most college degree holders.
Trades have always been around. How are they non traditional?
Yessir man more trades more trades !!!
“Having the right skills can be more important than having the right degree”
DUH 🤦♂️
We live in an opportunistic economy. WHAT ABOUT ALL OF US WHO CAN'T FIND A JOB!