Low Dollar Brawler Non Vtec B20
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- Before and after @ef_joey civic.
We were able to pick up 55 hp, and 20 ft/lbs
Engine is a stock short block B20 with p8r head 2.5" exhaust and header.
The after result features our stage 2 port and machine package for the cylinder head, fitted with @rocketmotorsports springs and stage 4 cams. As well as our Stage 1 ported pro series intake matched to 70mm throttle body. 91 oct fuel was used in both tests
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Thats a dam good pick up.. i always loved non-vtec stuff
TURBO COUPE!
Wow.
Alright, can't be lookin' down on the Non-VTEC B-Series anymore.
To compare for everyone who plans to go forward. This setup with p8r when done right will be over 200-220whp depending setup and parts used and on e85.
I have plans to go this route in about a year.
Current build and tune b20b phk 9:6cr w/ .30 milled head on 91 pump, Crower 403s crower valvetrain, ultra street manifold 70mm tb. Full Ported p75 head using Toda style 4-2-1, 2.5" exhaust with hi flow cat and restricted apexi ws2. I'm probably sacrificing about 8-10 more whp and tq give or take because of the hi flow and apexi. My goals was 180whp on pump and I didn't make it but very happy.
175/146tq...whp peak 7600 while tq peak around 5.5k but carrys it nicely to 7100 with 129tq. I shift at 7200 on gsr trans. Now all I need is a b16/itr 4.4 Trans and I'm finish
I'm sure if I went with e85 or a p8r head ill be in the 195whp or 200whp but that's for future with 13cr block and full port p8r from badguys and I'll change to crower 404s and similar setup. I like keeping things smaller or longer to keep the low-end mid range as my plans are for daily street race so I don't need to Rev to the moon like vtec. I have been there in the past with 3 vtec motors and jrsc and yes they are a beast, but being different on non vtec and most people would think u on vtec but get beat by a non vtec 😆
March 2023 updates: same setup but on e85 am doing roughly 19xwhp on streettuned. Thing rips for sure...
June 2024, have me my p8r head finally been lagging. All I need is to get it fully ported then build the block up with some piston looking for 12.5 cr min. Then add all the goodies back and add the jrsc m62 VTEC kit tune on e85.
Its definitely worth it. I ended up putting scat ha beam rods and nippon p30 pistons in the bottom end of this motor and switching to e85. Car made 210whp/165wtq. There was more in it too, at that point the 70mm tb wasnt cutting it. Unfortunately this car has been sold now though.
What valves and springs are you guys running in these heads for that crower 404
@@nicholascleghorn6571 all 402-404 most people would just get the valve spring kit per that cams?
For me I'm using crower dual valve springs kit with custom flat valve for extra cr. Total compression with . 30 milled head would be 10.3 or 10.5cr
@einstienium702 the 70mm tb was too small at that point? Was the Blox with the port work still sufficient? I quite literally based my purchases off of this video 😅
So you got + 15 hp with e85?
Low compression and 91 Octane. Wow, it's awesome to see the potential!
Junkyard B20 - $300 (pray you get a p8r head)
Bad Guy Checkout tag approx - $1400
200whp B-Series for under $2k is definitely pretty damn decent.
If you want a P8R head, you’ll have to buy a JDM b20. We never got them in the States. Still worth it if you ask me.
would help my gutless crv so much. heck id have them build my 1999 ek hatch too.
Outstanding Job...Thank you for posting this!!!
Insane numbers man. That’s awesome specially on 91
These numbers are awesome. The p8r runs "better" with p75 cams in it for the super budget setup.
I'm going to run the delta 272 in mine here shortly...199 hp is well into vtec territory on pump gas
How much do the delta 272 regrinds cost?
finally finished it...had some jumping idle issues...but other than that, i like it...and i have an automatic!!!
Awsome ...I want to do the same set up to my integra..thanks for the video I dint knoe the p8r head existed
I have a question..??Is it safe to do this same set up but with a high compression b20??
yes the difference is like .2 compression
I have one of these I’m putting on the phk piston bottom end with 404s and a 3 angle job. If it’s not enough power I’ll send you guys the head for porting!
What is your cr and how much power and tq? What is ur redline
@@b20eg195 I made 175whp/140ft lbs on p8R with the stock 9.6:1 CR and crower 404's
@@hunterjames4975 I am at 175/146 on 91 pump. Crower 403s ported p75 head, ultra street 70mm 421 Toda header, camgear tuning +3 in and +1 ex, hi flow cat with restricted apexi ws2. Probably could of gain 3-5whp and tq give or take. I'm sure I'd be in the 185 with e85. 7900 revlimit but tune to 7600 shit at 7100 tq still at 129.
That means withbmy p8r head ill have to send to badguys before installing. And this time raise redline.
What fuel did u use.
@@b20eg195 i was on 91 octane, I am doing a full build now with 11.5:1 CR pistons, and the fully ported bad guys p8r head.
@@hunterjames4975 sounds like a great plan I'd be at 13cr if not 14cr with same setup but better header and exhaust tune on e85 only with flex fuel kit. The way I see it is on 91 pump I get around 220-230 at most a tank give or take.
For e85 I would probably have to say 140-170 ! Tank depending how u drive....
Wow thats really good
I'd hate to say it but the power lost down low on everything below 5000rpm definitely necessitates a bump in compression on this one. Those cams are begging for it and they dont want to be called the enemy bleeding off on this great build.
Take it to at least 11:1 (heck maybe with just milling) on 91 and i reckon seing more fun things happening on everything you've done so far. Just my 2cents. Cheers!
Doc Hudson if you look at it based off rpm there no loss at low rpm
There actually was no power loss anywhere. It would absolutely benefit from a bump in compression which will be the next step in this build 👌. But just the top end work made it a completely different car, its night and day from the stock setup.
wow very impressive
I wonder what kinds of gains you would have seen if boosted before and after.
Where is your Shop...I'm getting ready to do this Swap...just got my Crower Cams and Springs
phx az
Long head is what what I like
Im doing hi compression pistons in a b20 11.8:1 with p30 style nippon 84mm. I am having trouble even finding parts for this p8r head laying in my garage so thank you finally theirs non vtec head swap supporters. I have crower 403s from my b18b and delta 272 regrinds that r just insane. But how much for a valvetrain from you guys cost?$ if price is right ill let you do my whole p8r head, im just worried of ptv issues with the larger valves and raised compression on 93 pump
We have ran much larger cams on similar style pistons, spring kit is 385.00. Degree wheel cam install with sort out your p2v concerns. Feel free to message us at
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Crower makes a full valvetrain for these cylinder heads
we should hook up and run them for fun ! b20 vs b20 i think i have the weaker cam head combo but may have the advantage in the AH chassis.......
Sickkkk.
this is really impressive. could you get similar #'s on the b20z2 with p8r head? then boost it adding arp headstuds a block guard and some good rods while honing the cylinders and adding new rings gapped with extra clearance for 15 lbs of boost max. who does the head work? I am in WI. did you shim the oil pump at all?
You can do anything with money
I'm gonna put the p8r head on my b18b block.. concerned I'm 81.5mm . The chambers of the head are 84mm.. gonna be turbo I hope the head gasket holds
guys have done that set up plenty of times
how much did this swap cost
i got a non vtec b20b with injen intake and gsr trans and im lookin for the best mods what do u recommend
I have a JDM high comp B20B, blox mani, skunk2 68mm TB, PLM header, and blox test pipe, custom 2.5" exhaust... How much do you think I could get out of it with a setup like this?
Is that the PLM header for the RD1 CR-V? How was the fit? Looking at one for my 98 RD1
It's an AC compatible header, I've yet to get the car done... So I'll let you know once I get it running!
Nice numbers! Would a 3' exhaust help this setup? Also how much can u mill off the head? Thanks
probably
what's would this complete service run for us budget ballers
Paul McEntyre 690+ machine work + parts
Would these cams work on a b20 using phk pistons or would I have to worry about P2V clearance? How about with those YCP type r 84mm replicas? Also if a p8r head cant be found how do you think the p75 head would choke a setup like this?
Not bad
Hey what do you guys think of porting guides flush with port work into the head?
I’m looking for aftermarket intake valves fir p8r
What is the pricing on those RM cams and springs ?
385 cams 385 spring kit, check out badguysonline.com for details
@@badguysworldwide thanks very much I have been looking for some crazy cams for my p8r build
What kind of power would these stage 4 cams be able to make in a P75 head on a B20Z2? Trying to decide whether to build and swap a GSR head I have or just throw some stage 4 cams into the P75 head I've already built. Could it about match a GSR head on stock cams? I can literally throw in the cams as it sits, assuming no piston/valve clearance issues on a stock B20Z2, versus the porting, valve work, springs, milling, gaskets/seals, brackets, oil lines, dowels, belt covers, cam belt/waterpump, head studs, VTEC spool valve, rebuild distributor, plug wires, and on and on to commission the GSR head.
The p75 head is a huge waste of time. It barely moves more air than a d16z6 cylinder head. This will hold you back quite a bit vs the p8r
@@badguysworldwide p75 isn't a waste of time. It's the tunner. We have a stock b20z2 non vtec running 12s.
@@gameovertune9018 it literally moves as much air as a z6 head
Do you guys have a dyno and do dyno tuning or were u just borrowing a dyno?
we have a dyno available
@@badguysworldwide What does a typical dyno session run? Assuming I have my engine running correctly when it gets there?
How can i get a p8r head without buying a full b20?
I believe p8r are jdm only so ebay or fly to japan and check some junkyards other than that you gotta get a full motor from importer. A full b20 is pretty cheap
@@lollol-xp4mc they are $650 plus tax and i dont have any need nor space for the block
My bc dual springs will work but the valves and seals are my concern. Their not the same size valve stem as the vtec. Do you guys sell just the valves for the p8r?
We do not currently no.
This is interesting. I'm curious now, what percentage of the gains can be attributed to the porting and machine work? How different would the results be with just the bolt ons?
Typically on this level of port work the p8r will out flow a stock gsr to about .350 lift.
But b20 have notoriously small cams, so its all works hand in hand. This was however kind of the perfect storm because the b20s are seriously lacking in the head and cam dept!
@@badguysworldwide I have been trying to find answers on cams. What is the biggest cams I can use on a b20z phk with p75 head or p8r without p2v clearance? Or how high in rpm before it could hit?
What piston casting came with the p8r head? Was it the phk?
P3f
So 1500-2000 to get low comp b20 to get close to 200hp?
Cedric Cope it was actually closer to 1100.
Someone is COMPLETELY HIGHAS A FUCK, THOSE NUMBERS ARE PRICED AT TOP DOLLAR BUILDS. 1500 TO 2000 GRAND.... FOR A B20 LOLOLOLOL
Where are you located?
Santa Clarita, CA
What injectors are you using for that build?
It had dsm 440cc injectors in it at that time
I done have my magnifying glass. What did you rev too?
Also idk if you have any experience with crowder 403 or 404 but how do they compare with the cams used here when it comes to power delivery and idle characteristics?
Car gets revved to 8k rpm
What's your reasoning for saying the p75 head is bad for power?
Well, he stated that the P8R head has bigger valves, so that's at least one reason.
@@tommylyeah I've known about the bigger valves, but ive seen that the p8r head always comes on the lower compression engines. And was just curious. The b20z2 I've got to put in my car has a p75 head. Was just wondering if when I decide to start doing some more work, why the p75 head was such an awful choice.
Valve diameter. They are WAY down on flow. And p8r heads are like 100.00 cheap for the flow potential
@@badguysworldwide is there a way I can pay you all for a head? The core charge seems a bit steep but I can't find a p8r under $300 around me.
Yes no problem message the facebook page or IG!