The PROBLEM With Gotham Knights
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- čas přidán 21. 08. 2024
- Gotham Knights" is a third-person, open-world action RPG based on the mythos of Batman and the Bat Family. It operates independently from the continuity of the Rocksteady Batman: Arkham franchise. The game begins with Batman's presumed death, leaving the Bat Family to protect Gotham in his absence. Players can experience the game solo or in two-player co-op mode, choosing from four Bat Family members: Nightwing, Batgirl, Red Hood, and Robin. Now that the game has been out for a while, I decided to conduct a thorough analysis of its impact, assessing whether it still holds up, comparing it to the Arkham games, and determining its worth in the current day. In recent years, it appears that DC Gaming has experienced a decline in quality, exemplified by the release of "Suicide Kill the Justice League." This game involves playing as the squad, tasked with eliminating members of the Justice League, including Superman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, and Green Lantern.
#batman #gothamknights #nightwing #redhood #dcu #batmanarkhamknight #batgirl #suicidesquad #robin
There was no doubt that this game was meant to be a live service game, but they immediately backpedaled when they saw what happened with Marvel’s Avengers
I would have prefer this game as a live service game than a suicide squad game.
I thought the same my first play through like something els was meant to be in this game but it's missing idk wtf wb was thinking Warner Brothers need to find better devs as when it comes to the bat family from wb Montreal to Sweetbaby straight disasters
Now that I look at it, that actually makes a lot of sense. I don't know why I didn't realize that before.
100%.
I even would bet this was the game Rocksteady initially was going to make as a continuation of the Arkham universe but WB’s milk the fans dry initiative focused on SSKTJL turned that corner pushing the unfinished project of Gotham Knights onto WB Montreal. Give them their credit though, they did their best with what they were given, they do a great job with narrative a la Arkham Origins.
Suicide Squad should have followed Gotham Knights example.
Like yeah Suicide Squad would have still sucked but at least it wouldn't have sucked as much.
You know it's pretty sad that this game gave Batman a better well-written death than KTJL did...
3:38 Regarding Jason's face in this game, i remember reading a comment on a trailer during this game's promotional cycle that said that Jason looked like he was going to "steal Robin's lunch money and throw him inside a locker".
it's quite funny to me how Gotham Knights, a game deliberately NOT in the Arkhamverse, wants you to think it is with its gameplay while handling the death of Batman with some actual fucking gravitas and care, whereas Suicide Squad IS in the Arkhamverse and ditched its robust melee combat for generic third-person shooting and handled the death of Batman with... how did Joker put it? "All the subtlety of a napalm enema."
Batman: “The Bat-Family will be my Legacy, The Fate of Gotham is in your hands now.”
The Bat-Family: 0:45
😂😂😂😂
Jason dances like a middle aged dad but Tim's was clean asf
😂😂😂
I want to see Cassandra Cain in one of these games. She’s my favorite version Batgirl.
They could find a way to add another Robin in as Damian Wayne or save that for a sequel, say Batman fell into the Lazarus and is alive again, they could add both Stephanie brown and Cassandra Cain as either batgirls or spoiler and orphan, and there’s a lot more, and what makes it worse is the fact we will never get a sequel with any of these characters
That dance montage lasted way longer than it should have...and I'm completely fine with it🔥🕺🏼🔥🕺🏼🔥🤣
Nightwing was the best. Second was Tim.
0/10. Nightwing not jucy enough
True that
That joke is old as shit
Ok
You mean Mr sexy ass
Ok so may you please stop making that joke?
@@nicodiangelo831
That opening with batman vs ra al ghul goes hard. This batman went out fight while the other batman just let harley quinn shoot him
Bruh imagine they add Red X side mission that would go so hard
Yes! And I actually love the idea of Jason, Roy, and Kori meeting up too like in the email!!!!
Wouldn't Red X be Jason? Or is that just a Teen Titans thing
@@chrispeart1394 his true identity was never revealed that’s the fun part
@Morbius-Tension Oooooh ok I get ya
The new Wonder Woman by Monolith studios has some massive expectations to overcome because since Gotham Knights and Suicide Squad Kill The Justice League both failed all eyes and hope is now on this Wonder Woman game to be amazing.
Yeah, I’m hyped for the WW game. But I heard it’s gonna have a gear system. A fucking GEAR SYSTEM, that doesn’t even make any sense. Wonder Woman already has gear that she doesn’t need to replace. Her armor was literally crafted by the Gods. No gear she finds in a box isn’t gonna surpass the gear she already has.
But I’m still hyped.
It's a wait and see after the back to back disappointments with DC games.
@@kingfungus4822Fr bro gear systems suck. Marvels Avengers did this and it was garbage so why are they doing it again for WW? They just need to put a ton of WW costumes from comics and other media and let that be that so players can actually like the game and play it
@@darkarrow3683 fr. It doesn’t even make any sense lore wise. Gear systems have just made games worse (cough cough Dying Light 2) but the devs will never learn that, that shit is *trash*
@@kingfungus4822 Yeah bro their just sabotaging their own success when they incorporate it into games nowadays
This game gets a lot of shit but I hope that other adaptations take the family dynamic from this game, because they all feel like siblings trying to respect their father's legacy as much as they can and it kinda sucks this is the latest thing to show the importance of the bat family.
I actually loved certain aspects of the characters.
In the media they just allergic to write Nightwing the way he is in the comics (very charaismatic, friendly, empathetic, funny, but very competent when he has to be). They always want to make him into a dark and broody Batman ripoff (DC Anmimated, Titans, Young Justice etc). We have never got a Nightwing who is very similar to his comic book counterpart. (GK Nightwing has some of the good nature/humor/lightheartedness comic book Dick Grayson has)
Better idea for jasons traversal, he points his guns down and shoots at the ground, propelling him up
Yes just like jetpack sam
Nah. Just give him a wing-suit.
And Nightwing should’ve definitely had a wing-suit and not that Fortnite glider bullshit.
Or Quake
@@kingfungus4822 I think the design is just shit, pretty sure its meant to be like when he uses his escrima sticks to traverse
@@luhgyzz9547 shits trash that’s for sure
@@luhgyzz9547 games trash that for sure
Y’know, after the… squad game… I find myself kinda comforted by the familiarity of Gotham Knights. Like, is it better than the Arkham games? No, not really. But is it trying to be? I don’t think so. It’s a game that delves into the mechanics of Batman’s sidekicks, with just enough similarity to arkham to keep you familiar without seeming like a complete ripoff. Honestly, all things considered, the game’s a solid 7/10, retrospectively.
I had a great time with Gotham knights even though I think it could have been better. Every mission felt like I was playing an episode of a series and it hit a nostalgia place in my heart that make me love it a lot. I wish they had a second chance. I would
Have like this game to be live service and be like a tv show with different seasons, each season focusing on a big villain.
I Felt that way too when I played it but when I went and played new game + it kinda felt boring and repetitive even with a different character. But I guess I shouldn't have played NG+ right after I beat the game...
@@superzaja7923As a seasoned platinum achievement hunter, it's completely normal to feel that way. With some games it's harder than with others.
7/10? Naw no way, it's not a dog shit game like squad but like the gear is sooooo grindy
…the fact that you CAN dance like Oluwa Mark to the African Spider-Man theme if you CHOOSE…earns this game an extra half-point at least.
I really enjoyed that you pointed out the good and bad bits of the game
Jason is buff canonically. He is heavier (tho shorter) than Batman canonically. And in comics it shows, when he sands next to Bruce, their height difference is very slight.
This is not the case with Dick who is much smaller than both Bruce, and Jason. (Jason is 6ft, 225 lbs, Batman is 6'2 ft, 210 lbs, Dick is 5'10, 175 lbs)
In New 52 writers/artists forgot that Jason is actually huge (when he was created he was listed as being 250 lbs!) and people who became the fans of Jason think he is supposed to be a twink. Which he is not. During Rebirth they retconned his original height/weight back.
It blows my mind why they artists refuse to draw him bigger thn Grayson.
Ain't no way people thought my boy Jason Todd was a twink
Gave your comment a like cause ppl dont realize jason actually buffer then batmanand almsot same height
@@asmokingp3005 So true. I wish creators/artists didn't ignore canon for far too long.
Even after this whole analysis this is still better than Suicide Squad KTJ IMO. At least it still kept the Arkham combat and stealth and you’re playing the Bat Family. I’m am confused as to why Batman keeps getting folded in the very recent DC game. I’m still waiting on a Justice League or a Superman game. Or even a Batman/Superman game would be cool kinda like the new Spider-Man 2
Way better
What we really needed was a Batman arkham beyond game.
I'm making a video on what Rocksteady needs to do
Gotham knights should have been in the Arkham verse, and KTLJ should have been elseworld.
Only way I’d comeback is if Batman got added as a playable character and I don’t see that happening
what the fuck does "jump in the air like he's goomba from mario" mean LOL
Bro, I just wanted Cassandra Cain and new heroes to play with actual 4 player coop
I agree that DC gaming should be in a better spot. There are so many cool stories to tell! Ive found myself going back and playing DC Universe Online just for the small little story beats in the leveling and raiding.
Same here but I stopped at lvl 30 because no one does the old content anymore it’s such a dead game but with so much of my memories.
I crazy to believe we got Kill the e justice league and not the Batman beyond game with Damien Wayne as the New Batman
Josh Keaton said it wasn't in the arkham-verse and they wouldn't use free flow combat.I think aspects of GK were from that project like the bike, the city and the combat with high futuristic tech.
@@crimsoncockatoohes talking about the other leaked concept art not the arkham one , the one where the suit looked like aflecks with king shark
That spider-man shit went off.
Nightwing has no bakery and that’s disappointing. Barbra is looking great in this game tho 🥵.
And Robins traversal is so TRASH. Even worse than Red Hoods.
And I hate the way Jason looks. He’s too buff and looks like Rey Mysterio.
WTF Yes he does, even Harley compliments Nightwing
@@yrooxrksvi7142 maybe a little bit, but he ain’t got no dumptruck like in the comics.
@@kingfungus4822 Breh come now
That said, agreed on Tim and ESPECIALLY Jason. Arkham Knight nailed his design, more boyish, emo cut, all he needed was the white streak.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 I’m not really the biggest fan of the white streak. But besides that, yeah, Arkham Knight pretty much nailed Jasons design. But Jason really does look like Rey Mysterio in this game lmfao 😂
@@yrooxrksvi7142In univeres standards aren't like ours that ain't no dump truck to me that is almost as flat as the ground I'm walking on
Yes the writers read wiki pages. That's literally what they did, they admit it and actually say it thinking they are bragging 🤣
Ain't no way I caught you repeatin' man's jokes 😂 4:11 was funny as hell, tho 🤣
The Robins and Batgirls still felt alot like sidekicks in Gotham Knights due to every villain being hand me downs from Bruce and the antagonists having more personal connections to him than the family, like the court of owls had potential to be Nightwings dark reflection since William Cobb was his grandad in the comics but they never utilized it in game.
Nightwing's dance was the only cool one
I thought they all were at least alright, except for Red Hood's; his did look disappointingly awkward.
@@kingfungus4822hers was the worst tbh Ian gon lie it was hella geeky which obviously fits her but still
@@verindictus3639 it makes sense for him to B-boy because he was an acrobat that's one of the main reasons why I thought it was cool
That intro had me laughing so hard.😂😂😂😂
This game would have been better with a good plot
Man you can REALLY tell this game was suppoused to be a live service game. Everything about it. From the way it plays. The dumb post launch content update and even it's story and all these random crafting materials just SCREAMS and oozes that this was supposued to be a live service game. But at the last minute they backpedlled and gutted every live service element they could out of this game.
Proibbly beacuse this game im willing to bet, was straight up virtually finished in 2020. It was proibbly set to be relased early 2021 to be DC's big comptettor to marvels avengerrs and was modled after it. But they saw how it crashed and burned and got a ton of backlash so they panicked, delayed it by a year and gutted the live service elements to make it single player to hopefully have it recived better.
Or more likley. They did it to try to salvage suicide squad's chances. You can kinda feel this may of been meant to be the arkhamverse game as Suicide squads story is pretty messy as a lot of things just don't match up with the ending of Arkham knight or the characters. But when they saw how bad avengerrs did andhow GK didn't have a chance to be sucessful? They disconneced it from the Arkham verse and gave it to suicide squad to hopefuly make it sell better.
Hence the delays. To add in the Arkhamverse links.
Remove the gadget wheel for... 0:54 - 1:47 emote crap. I'm still wondering who thought that was good idea.
Why do they think we'd even want any emotes in a batman game
I said: still better than SSKTJL.
A sequel that fix and improve the shortcoming could only help.
This game had so much potential and thats what frustrates me the most about it. I bought it on sale and was still horribly disappointed. Now I just have a game that i have no intentions of finishing sitting in my library lol.
I hate that you cant straight up counter attacks lol. Somthing about that annoys me so much. An yeah Jason is a visual abomination
I’m ngl this games campaign felt like it was made purely for red hood to me, red hood can mostly relate to Bruce with the pit and almost all the dialogue seemed to make red hood the character that’s supposed to be doing everything
“You of all people should know there’s plenty wrong with me” - Gotham Knights saying Jonkler dialogue
After playing suicide squad this game doesn’t look as bad as it did before
Gotham Knights was okay to me. I still go on patrol with my buddy and do endgame stuff but i enjoy the general gameplay. Game could move faster but I'd take this over Suicide Squad anyday.
My biggest gripes were Jason’s bulky design and character design in general as well as the recycling of enemies and lack of variety between levels. Just the same categories of copy and pasted enemies with tweaked skins to match the theme or enemy faction of the level.
The writing for that scene where the kids tease him while he's making the video in case he dies.. the writing works and I enjoy what its doing but there's this weird vacuous energy to it. Like there's soo much empty air between almost every line and so much of the delivery feels muted. Idk if it needed a score underneath or to build to some kind of crescendo or just a quicker pace but idk, something about it just feels off
thank you for putting on words what I thought first: why tf do Jason look like that???
There is enjoyment to be had with this game but there's no mistaking it's flawed. I've been playing it and I do recommend trying it for yourself, primarily with a friend. There a small tweaks that could have pushed this game much higher, I was okay with the the combat not being 1 to 1 with Arkham but there's almost a stutter to both that and general movement
The only thing I can say about this game is potential. Make combat little bit faster, polish traversal system with some improvements and add more character growth.
Quick note. Every single negative a person can mention about this game is present in Spider-Man 2.
The main issue is the lack of true DLC content
Am so tired of dc trying to make fortnite clones it didn't work with gotham knights it didnt work with suicide squad and it just makes me heavily doubt whatever the womder woman game is gonna be
Wonder woman game?? No way they really about to release a wonder woman game before a superman, justice league, batman beyond or another Arkham game?? 🤨
@@PLUTOXGOAT they announced it like 2 years ago but haven't heard anything of it, I just know it gonna have micro transactions
@@PLUTOXGOATshe really needs a game fr 😭 her and Superman got nothing..
@@PLUTOXGOAT They revealed it in the 2021 game awards. They've been quiet since that reveal.
7:11 I’m worried that Rocksteady might remember they introduced Cadmus tech in Arkham City. “Oh look, the JL is still alive just being harvested for evil clones by Brainiac. See?! Let it play out!”
12:42 - there were Comic Book DLC skins - - DC had a Batman Gotham Knights series (6 issues) each issue had a different skin for weapons for each character, a color drop for the suits, and if you collected all the comics you got a "cowboy" themed skins for each character.
Ok, but what DO we do if Batman dies to Crazy Quilt?
The Gotham Knights is clearly a game rebooted from scratch a lot of times and suffered from behind the scenes shit, considering we had leaks of Damian Court of Owls ever since Arkham Knight.
At least Batman got a better death than in Suicide Squad.
well Harley does seem surprised that we showed up and only then realizes that batman is actually dead. its possible most of the other big villains are waiting to be sure and would have been bigger in a sequel to this game
This game probably would of been more alive if it was crossplay at launch and even when they did add crossplay it wasn’t an option on PlayStation
1:12 why’d they give Jason some clunky ass dance moves 😢
Lol I thought it was cute, but yeah kinda stiff. Then again, he's a serious guy, I feel like his dancing would be a little robotic
The only thing l liked about the game is where you can play as the Bat-Family. I just wished they would have made the story better. It bugged me they had to kill Batman not once but twice.
Just make a Batman Arkham Origins 2 or whatever. There's literal years between Arkham Origins and Asylum, more than enough to milk the cow with decent content instead of... well this.
You obviously didn't use Nightwing's default costume.
We better get some DCU posters and marketing materials with Nightwing doing the butt pose
To be honest I feel like the only reason I got through this game was because I was playing with a friend. I mean its fun to play it in co-op but if I played it alone I think I would've gotten really bored quick. Doesn't help the enemies are so dam spongy. Also yea barbra got that cake in this game and guess who I picked.
Do not put the Beyond suit on babs, you will not be able to focus
One thing I'll say in regard to Batman's suit in this game:
The belt needs to be yellow. Makes the symbol kinda stand out like a sore thumb.
Me playing Gotham knights after playing ssktjl
Perhaps I judged you too harshly
Knights, Avengers, & SSKJL all had promise but like the newer Assassins Creed games, the RPG look sucks, micro transactions, the traversal is too stupid & too gamey like Fortnight (Nightwing)
*and some dialogues in all games, either the writing or acting isn’t it.
Didn’t play any of them but watched gameplays & cutscenes. Sometimes they didn’t feel like they were a family, friends, or had good chemistry.
The trinity of superhero games devs should avoid making.
Tbh I thought everyone was a bit too chumy. And u expected more infighting and conflict within the group bc they all had different ways of handling things. Especially Jason. I felt like the interaction was very Disney movie and the environments and missions were boring. A Gotham city without batman? Every villain and villaness should be amped up to a 10! Police too!! I imagine Gotham almost becoming a police state overnight lol. But anyway, I did enjoy the story overall and what they tried Todo with the chars. But I wish they took more inspo from the comic books.
@@LittleHatori male & female villains are just villains
The dancing had me dying. Needed that this morn.
Sucks that one of my favorite Batman villains, the Court, has been fumbled thrice. At this point, just adapt the comic ver batum because no one can get the mystery right😭
What was the other time ?
@@malikpierre-louis3343 This game, the Gotham TV show, and Batman vs Robin
They should added Stephanie, Cassandra, Kate, Jean Paul, Damian, Luke, even Helena. Why just use the og 4 considering that this Batman has been Batman for like 15 years? Makes no sense.
The thing is that they surely killed Bruce twice to make sure that the future of this franchise was these nobodies, how did that turn out?With the cancellation of the DLCs and burying this universe... Goood.
Look at Arkham Knights DLCs. Every Charakter has all Animations. They Just had to give Them Motorcycles and there WE have IT.😮
WHAT IS THE PROBLEM
Honestly it would’ve been better if they just had Bruce presumed dead and brainwashed. He can still die in a grand sacrifice in the end.
Its like afther the Batman death they slowly got lazy
11:19 red hood tries Batman.. watch nightwing reaction
Such a great Batsuit.
Could've been better, I can agree
At least it's not as horrendous as "Kill The Justice League"
To me Gotham Knights is more canon to the Arkam universe than SSKTJL
The fact that Nightwing can glide with the wings in his suit already let me know I wasn’t gonna like it a whole lot. I enjoyed it somewhat but the combat system is so bad lol.
ain't no way they actually addded dancing 1:39
i swear this dialogue was written by disney. corny af. none of them are acting even close to their original characters. im all for reinvention but calling nightwing a 'himbo' is freakin disrespectful and not funny.
😂 i never heard a term that i hate more in my life than himbo. But to call any of the bat sons a himbo? I would hope all of them jump that person. They are all smart lads.
I find it weird that they use ras al gul and talia algul as villain and didn, t used damian because there was a story to be told there also why does tim outfit look like damian rebirth suit
For a second when you first see Talia, i thought for a split second it was Damian and was very intrigued, then was corrected by the next w seconds.
I was NOT expecting the jbp 😆
I didn’t watch any of the dialogue inside of the belfry
"they should include the joker" but he died in city
What's funny to me is this game would have been a great live service game, and Suicide Squad should never have been one
M enterprises you never miss always facts can you do a video on your preferred rosters for superhero teams or do a superhero team ranking
11:19 if you want tips on how to be dead ive got you covered
J-jason y-yoU-you cant thªat🤣
What this game really needed was to actually be the sequel to Arkham Knight. It could've actually helped the story and gameplay. It could've refined the combat a bit, could add gadgets to each character (or split up some of the Arkham series' gadgets) and if you were playing single player, the idea of running into the other Knights during fights/missions could be cool to have the switch mechanic from AK's missions with Nightwing to keep your combo going. Plus, they might as well have made a TMNT game instead because they just made them the Turtles anyway. They made Jason Raph as he's been seen in recent years as the big bruiser and the rest you can fill in after that. Either way, this game was a huge disappointment and so fuckin' boring and a drag to play. I may go back and try a different character when it's completely out of my head. My only playthrough I beat the game and maxed out Nightwing. (Will absolutely take recommendations on who to choose for my next play, probably 2026 or so).
Still better than Suicide Squad: Kill The Arkham Fandom.
0:55 I'm from Nigeria and I know the band that played the spiderman song/ jingle 😅
The problem is that we've played as all four of these characters in head versions of them that were significantly more superior. So the fact that we have an entire game centralized around them and it's lame, because their watered down versions of those characters is it in itself. Gotham nights honestly was a quick cash grab that didn't go as expected. At least with avengers had a decent storyline. It was everything else that was trash afterwards. Gotham Knights didn't even have that.
Why does Batman sound like Markiplier
Better than SSKTJL
I’d personally like to see a Batwoman dlc
ah he said it! he said it! 6:22 - 6:27
Here Comes The Spider Maann
A few errors you made. 2:05 IM SORRY WHAT DID YOU SAY??? Goombas dont jump. You jump ON goombad. You mean Mario from Mario. Probably just a slipup. Also i agree man, these characters are just stereotypes. Man Bat is in this game
0:49 where is he putting that
The problem was Sweet Baby Inc and its piss poor writers who disrespect the Batman mythos.
Am sorry but someone at dc legit has a hate boner for batman cuz the amount of batman media that doesn't have batman is crazy, like 2 times its okay but more than 3 thats not a coincidence, you got
Titans tv show
Batwoman season 1-3
Gotham knights the tv show
Gotham knights the game
Suicide squad the game
I assume you're talking about batman dying, being mindcontrolled or both.
Then there's the whole him losing his money, his hand, family and sanity.