Revenge of the Sith Novel chapter. Windu speaks to Kenobi about Anakin and Palpatine
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- A chapter from the Revenge of the Sith audiobook. Master Windu tells General Kenobi his fears about Anakin, Palpatine, the Sith and the war.
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@@lazywizard840how where they clone wars a trap for they Jedi because obi wan said Jedi goal is to defend life,what if they didn't get involved or order 66 failed wouldn't they win
I like this version. Windu comes over as a little more understanding and compassionate and less hostile, but also more of a realist. Also shows a little more about the closeness of Anakin and Obi-Wan's relationship.
I especially liked the line "Don't we all have some of the Dark Side around us?". Yes, that's the thing that people don't understand. The 'Dark Side' as I see it was not some outside force that only "weak" or "stupid" people fell prey to. We all have some measure of darkness within us, and we can all fall prey to it through our choices and decisions. Even those made for good reasons.
The novel actually made Mace Windu my favourite Jedi, with Kenobi as a close second.
@@edblake476 If Mace Windu is your favorite (he's one of my favorites too) be sure to read Shatterpoint, it's all from his perspective.
Same.
All this was implied or briefly mentioned in the films, but I'm glad they got to thoroughly discuss it here.
@@LordVader1094Yes, and written by the same author. He's definitely one of the best SW authors
It's nice to see Obi-Wan actually advocate for Anakin.
" The only reason Palpatine is not a suspect, is because he already rules the galaxy" Great line!
Bro, I was thinking of this line earlier and then this gets recommended! 😄
This is exactly what Palpatine was counting on. He knew that the Jedi couldn’t, or, more likely, wouldn’t comprehend the idea of someone, like Palpatine, wanting more. They thought that being Supreme Chancellor of the Galactic Republic would be enough for him. They underestimated Palpatine’s ambition and lust for power. Therefore, Palpatine could scheme to take over the Galaxy and no one would be the wiser.
The revenge of the sith novel is just so great
I really do love this version of Mace Windu he seems way more understanding and I wish the people that were making Star Wars would make him more like this because I do think he cares about anakin it's just the writers in Clone Wars and every other media just never show it for some reason and it just ends up making people hate on this character
I love how they were so blind to the truth believing that Palpatine was controlled by Sidious.
Though this was true from a certain point of view, nevertheless they believed to be two separate people.
They got really close to him though, so much he had to initiate the attack on Coruscant earlier than he planned.
That's also the thing you see in novel and the prequel Labyrinth of Evil. Jedi in the movies seem like they have their heads up their asses and are doing nothing to catch Sidious. But in both novels, and especially in Labyrinth, they bascially had Sidious backed into a corner.
@@bouncin2207They touch on it in the movie, like when they say "he's the Sith Lord we've been looking for." Something like an hour and a half of story was cut from Episode 3. It's kind of like an abridged version because of how long and complex it would've been. It's too bad he never put out a directors cut
"Skywalker is arguably the most powerful Jedi alive, and he's still getting stronger. But he is not stable. You know it, we all do. It is why he cannot be given Mastership. We must keep him off the Council, despite his extraordinary gifts."
You see, even Mace was entertaining the idea of giving Anakin both Mastership and a seat on the Council, even if he speaks of it in the negative here. All he wanted was for Anakin to stabilize himself. He never hated the man; on the contrary, he clearly thought the highest of him, but reserved that praise on account of the attachment issues causing him to waver.
Attack of the Clones Mace openly supported and trusted him too I wish they never deleted the scene where he talks about his confidence in Anakin to obi wan before kamino
That's right.
I feel many masters clearly thought highly of Anakin, many jedi, but probably didn't say it often to not condition him to expect status or praise. Anakin was attached to expectations as much as he was to Padme. I feel Palpatine complimented him the most because it's exactly what Anakin wanted.
Wonderful idea reading the book and picturing those lines with scenes edited scenes! Thanks!
This little passage alone is better than anything in the sequels jeez
Or anything ever made by Dave Feloni
More emotion than anything shown in the actual movie I’m afraid
@@SliceySlicer I'm sorry, but you are the only person that thinks that. Dave Filoni is the best thing to happen to Star Wars in years. The Clone Wars, The Mandalorian, Rebels; nearly everything that man has produced his fantastic. He understands the franchise as well as Lucas at this point, but he's also an excellent writer to boot.
@@godofthecripples1237 Nope I agree, Filoni just hasn't been good. It is weird because I can somewhat enjoy watching alot of episodes but still rationalise how badly it distorts the star wars universe.
@@tahjsimon9058I know exactly how you feel, but even then I can't enjoy it much at all once Lucas is no longer giving the okay or veto on all his decisions.
I love the OSTs you overlay on top & the fact there AREN’T any ads before
No annoying Google ads or irritating Audible ads to break the mood
He carves away chunks of our free- 'Discover audible with an audiobook on us :3'
"What's the matter, Anakin? Something's troubling you, I can see it." "It's nothing." "If it's upseting a man like you, it's certainly something. Let me help!" "You can't do anything, sir. I was just thinking, that... after all I've done, C-3PO is the only one, who adresses me as 'master'." "Ah! The Jedi Council. I think I can help you solve this problem." "Really?" "I'ld be really surprised if I couldn't. You probably noticed by now, that I have a certain talent to get things done."
This characterisation of windu makes him way more compelling and way better handling then Filoni making him just an arrogant jedi.
While I agree that I wish we had seen more of this side of Mace Windu, saying that Dave Filoni only ever characterize him as arrogant is definitely not true. Just watching through The Clone Wars, there's plenty of good episodes with Mace. He was a practical and logical thinker, but he was also harsh and not easy to gain the trust of. Mace Windu is only really that big of a dick if you're Anakin Skywalker.
@@godofthecripples1237 Filoni makes him say stupid stuff like refusing to apologize for killing someone as a jedi, acting as Ashoka’s persecution was simply a trial and while I agree Mace’s assessment of Anakin was accurate and logical they make him seem like more of a jerk.
@@darthkrayt5535 I agree that day do make him seem rude, that's the point. The Jedi Order was arrogant and they did believe themselves to be correct on most everything. Mace Windu exemplifies that. He was one of the most powerful Jedi at the time, and as such, believed nearly everything a Jedi did in accordance with the order was the correct decision.
@@godofthecripples1237 It's on roids in tcw in most other media he is still somewhat critical while in tcw he is blinded.
@@godofthecripples1237 only under Filoni were the jedi a tiny bit arrogant so that excuse doesn't hold up.
Filoni liked to character assassinate the jedi to portray Ahsoka as some beacon of light even when she was petulant and wrong. His crusade to make her a pseudo-chosen one is disgusting.
Given this it's inexplicable why the Jedi were so caught off guard and did not act, except that Yoda was of world. Windu wanted him with him. In reality they only needed to keep Anakin away as they moved on him.
The problem with Windu is that he (according to the novel) failed to comprehend Anakin's shatterpoint being that of Palpatine himself. Yoda, in particular, realized his folly when he fought Sidious in that the Jedi spent their time training to re-fight the last Sith War (When the Army of Light destroyed the Brotherhood of Darkness). The Sith Order that arose under Darth Bane's care were different. To quote the novel the new Sith "could not be destroyed by a lightsaber and could not be burned away by a torch of the Force." How could the Jedi fight a war with the Sith when war itself became the Sith's weapon?
@@wilji1090 Shatterpoint is a weak pivotal turning point. Yoda disarmed and beat Sidious but the war WAS lost. There was no going back with the Order now decimated. He was lighter and fell and the Stormtroopers were in their way. What Yoda realized was not the Shatterpoint of his battle with Sidious' BUT his failure overall thinking the Sith gone and somehow, inexplicably being so foolish as to not suspect power hungry Politicians who didn't have the will of the Force in mind OR the people. They became more pawns of the ruling class instead of leading it with balance --- allowing the Sith to lead it with FORCE of arms and sheer domination. The Jedi tried to work with the will of the people BUT when their own representatives forgot what that was an pursued power they should have parted ways.
Mace is ridiculous. Call it what you will but Sidious was not the issue. He didn't trust Anikan ever being so close to Sidious and out of anyone on the counsel he didn't like being yikes to Politicians. He didn't trust the Prophecy of the chosen one, Nor Anikan. His hesitation came ONLY from ONE THING -- Anikan saying it wasn't th Jedi way to kill an unarm d opponent. Something Anikan himself had just recently done. He paused and didn't hear Anikan's respiration BUT YET knew his conflict.
I do not trust what even books cannot adequately explain away. Mace would NOT have let his guard down. And YET he did. It's inexplicable and bad storytelling for that moment and with his character. Pure and simple.
@@anonymousdogooder1845 I think you are spot on with what you are saying.
I never even thought about Windu letting his guard down when he wanted to kill Sidious but now that you are saying it you are right. It made no sense for him to expect that Anakin wouldnt do something foolish when he was expecting that for over a decade.
@@anonymousdogooder1845 Windu's attitude is really the downfall of the jedi, he focuses on what should be instead of what is, for example despite his distrust and clear disaproval of Anakin, he pushes to throw Anakin into a situation where he has to betray his close friend, while forcing obi wan to hide information from him, then he expects unquestionable loyalty against Palpatine.
He expects everyone in the order to be a model jedi, even those that he knows aren't. His arrogance blinded him to the possibility he was playing right into Sidious' hands
@@jameshetherington1 Ah hogwash. He didn't trust Anikan and wouldn't have ever let his guard down. He trusted probably least of ALL the Jedi and says outright that he sensed th conflict within him. He saw right through Anikan. And it's hilarious to me that Darksiders and those who want to buy into this simplistic plot hole, of which there are MANY in Star Wars, keep trying to defend poorly retconned narratives. Mace KNEW Anikan was too close to Palpatine and KNEW wh n he swung his saber that Anikan was conflicted. Mace was such a tactical fighter he INVENTED a way to use Darksiders own energy against them NO WAY does Mace leave a opening for Anikan to slice off his arm. He beat Sidious and that's a fact. Even in th book Sidious is so confident only because of Anikan. His own face was being fried but he knew Anikan would fall. Lol BUT MACE DIDN'T? BULLSHIT. Utter bullshit. But whatever... keep drinking the Kool-aid. It was a poor plot and that's that. Any verbal gymnastics you or even Lucas attempts to rewrite blindness into Mace when there was none is crap. He saw th plot to destroy the Jedi, saw through Anikan and th n Lucas had him do idiotic shit for "reasons". LOL He HAD to have the Jedi take the fall to set up th bad guys. And while we are in th topic of bullshit... I don't buy Anikan's redemption either. He killed kids due to pure selfishness. She ONLY killed the Emperor to save his SON. Not some random person, but his son. No way is that guy really redeemed so easily. Or at th very least not a force ghost. Someone kill YOUR kid and then stop only to save his own son and you tell me he's redeemed. Lol Bullshit.
These videos make me wanna read that book again so much
Wisest Windu ever was.
This is awesome!
They left a lot of useful meat on the bone. But, a movie can only go so far. Revenge of the Sith should have been 2 parts. Like Infinity War and Endgame.
My dude it was in 2005 to separated the movie into two different is like the Zack Snyder's Justice League. You could watched aparte but the main purpose is to watch the whole thing in just one movie
Phantom Menace shouldn't have existed, instead we should have started with AotC (with some alterations of course, fill in some key points from TPM), then one movie set during the clone war to actually explore the conflict (not just skip the most important part, where the entire galaxy and it's denizens experienced a major shift), and finally Rots.
Honestly, the movie need maybe an extra hour to an hour and a half. If Revenge of the Sith we're giving a run time like Lord of the Rings, it would have benefited a lot, assuming that time was well-used.
@@bouncin2207There are very good reasons for Phantom Menace. Lucas wanted to show that evil men can come from anywhere, so he wanted to show Anakin as young and innocent, and at an age where he's still dependent on his mother. If he's already grown up at the beginning, then there's no reason to have his mother in the picture.
Ep1 also does all the world building for the prequels, establishing a much larger, more complex world than the OT, and show a golden age coming to an end, etc.
I’ll take a guess and say that Jedi they were talking about was Qui-Gon.
No, they were talking about Mace himself. It was a reminder to Mace not to lose his way.
@@SSVCloudJedi where lapdogs of the senate plus ignorance got them destroyed, politics is boring and slow plus nobody cares which is what they Jedi fell into
I think this is the first time Ive seen Mace Windu really admits that Anakin is the Steongest Jedi, and that Anakin will be stronger.
I love this. I feel like the writer of the novel could have summarized all that, but Windu and Obi wan fully discussing how much they are learning about where the sith is, and how they view Anakin and the prophesy is substantial. All this was already inferred in the movie, and I'm glad they fleshed it out here.
I need to get the novelization I really need it
Good video
Had Windu lived to see what happened to the Jedi it would have driven him to the dark side. He was a step away the whole time. It's always the rigid ones who "deal in absolutes".
Are you editing out the discriptions and only including the dialogue?
Would like to hear it exactly how it's written
yes he is editing out the dialogue
You don't need someone to describe dialogue that you are actively hearing. Descriptions are given in writing because we are only reading the speech, not hearing it. But here that is not the case.
Intresting and scary why dont they show it all in the movie?
I think they did but it ended up being 5 hours long they had to cut it
@@aldo1871 would totally watch it.
This novel proves that Lucas had good ideas but the movies needed better dialogues and the novel Fix that
the novel has many aspects that went on the movies cutting floor
It was still great execution, RotS is my favourite movie
A lot of this was cut from the movie. Lucas actually edited the novelization personally. Ep3 was very important to him.
Prose writing has the benefit of explaining everyone's thoughts and having extended dialogue scenes to explain any exposition without disturbing the flow of the story. Movies have to show and imply a lot more. A book can have 2 pages on what's going on in Obi Wan's head as he faces Anakin, while a movie has to show it in a mere facial expression and demeanor
Clearly here the Jedi opposite the Senate but for good reason, it's under dark control. it's more logical the Sidius manipulation
TJ
Isn’t crazy how Dadth Sidious sat there had all the power and they didn’t even suspect him cause of his persona as Palpatine an already controlling the galaxy. I guess they just over looked all the messed up things Sidious was doing. Truly they deserved to fall, they weren’t serving the force but the republic show whys religion and politics should stay far away🤣😂