BMW M3 by Redux: the £330,000 restomod E30 CSL that never was? | Top Gear
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- What we have here is an original BMW E30 M3, but one that’s been 'Enhanced and Evolved' by Redux. Yes, it’s a restomod, which means you can’t refer to it as a Redux M3, else BMW’s lawyers could descend on you. It is and remains a BMW E30 M3. But one that’s been fettled in the pursuit of perfection. Which has made it rather expensive. £330,000 kind of expensive. On top of the donor E30 M3 you’ll have handed over. Basically, this or a Ferrari SF90, then. Quite a lot to get your wallet around. Luckily, Top Gear Magazine’s Ollie Marriage is here to help.
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Beautiful car. Loved the original E30 M3 and a restored carbon Fiber version would be a dream come true. Only thing that doesn’t look up to snuff are those seats. They look like they’re sofa recliners with a cheap loose fitting plastic cover on them.
True, the seats are awful. The wheels are also too big.
I was CTRL+F searching "seats" in the comments to see if someone noticed that as well
I believe they are covers, check out the carfection video and you can see they are the same recaros that came in the Evo
I noticed it too, and the door cards foam showing dents from finger prints. For the price, that interior better be flawless. That is one area Singer has a level up on all the rest of the retromod competition, no one comes close to their interiors
restomod not improvomod lol
The blue-ish smoke billowing out the tailpipe can't be healthy
Agree, fill up oil and check petrol 🙄
You reckon is included in the insane price or is an option? :)
Glad I'm not the only one that saw that. I wonder if that price includes the cost of a 30,000 mile rebuild?
For some reason, when you get a hot rodded or racing engine built and the capacity is increased by a lot, that's how it sometimes is. I have a car which does the same thing since the engine was freshly built and 10yrs later, compression and power figures are still perfect (although it has always used a bit of oil). An engine guy tried to explain it to me once, something about the bores can sometimes go slightly oval when they're being enlarged and it comes with the territory.
That’s normal for an engine of this spec. Take every GTR for an example, every single one smokes.
330K pounds for a 4 cylinder BMW with some fancy details is absolutely insane to me
Plus you gotta supply your own 100k pound M3!!
It's a naturally aspirated 4 cylinder with probably the greatest racing pedigree of all time behind it. The market is currently flooded with forced induction 4 cylinders with minimal engineering expertise employed. Its very easy to make a great turbo 4. It's nigh impossible to make a great NA 4 cylinder. Only one Japanese, one German and one British manufacturer have done it imo.
Maybe for you, but I'm sure im not the only person who would have one of these over an aventador SV or something like that in a heartbeat.
All these rehashes of bmws, porsches, alfas etc. are totally overpriced tat and remind me of the Harry Enfield "I saw you coming" sketch.
@@benbirch2393 they are not. Youre not getting a refreshed bmw with this, you are getting a car with a completely new and rare carbon fibre body, completely new engine and completely new interior. On top none of this stuff is serial production which means that the production cost is gonna be much much higher than it is for the big brands. Its also as good of a quality as you could possibly get. Mletzko who is a newer 911 tuner spoke out about costs and he was pouring millions into those cars before there was any revenue.
Great video, beautiful car, but that all-n price tag of around £400,000 is insane. I know it's hand-built with carbon panels and a superb engine and chassis, but £400,000? You could get a BMW M2 CS, a good condition E46 M3 CSL and an E30 M3 Sport Evolution with just 492 miles (currently for sale on Pistonheads) for less than the price of one of these. So... this or those three?
Any one with this kind of money to drop probably already bought each of those cars.
exactly, nobody is going to buy it. You could get a new Ferrari instead
the people that buy these cars already have on the garage all the options you are mentioning. This is not for people that have one options to buy, they have 40/50 cars and want something that the neighbour doesn't have.
For the guys who can afford this, it is a bargin.
@@nikesan2472 Why would you want a heap of shit like a Ferrari though?
what’s worse? those seats? the golf gti knob? that wheel? or the fact you have to have a donor car beforehand just for them to supply carbon ceramics & new electrics for 400k? that thing is an insult
The seats look like they’ve been trimmed by a blind person
They are seat covers, and the knob is a genuine BMW Motorsport item
But the trunk.is.alligned
I think exactly the same, but actually you could get a shift knob like that from factory. it's called "GOLFBALL"
@@0441Louis thanks man. got triggered by this comment. BMW used these in DTM back in the days Edit: Also intrument cluster doesn´t work...
How BMW went from the E30 to the XM is one of the saddest stories ever told.
It is actually the only story of the recent West. The unquenchable thirst for money washed away everything else.
I had a 1991
E30 M3 up until 1995, I still say to this day it was the best car I ever owned.
Perfectionist, attention to detail?
Gauges not working and a lot of blue oil smoke from the exhaust. That engine is not healthy and if you used the 2.3L block as mentioned with the 2.5L 87mm crank, the cylinders will warp when bored to 95mm. Explaining the blue smoke under load. Clearly visible in many scenes. The S14B25 had a different block.
Getting 300 BHP out of a S14 takes extreme revs of at least 9000 and the corresponding valve train. This one is revving no more than 7500 by the sound of it.
Not impressed. To the degree of calling it a scam. How come the test driver detects none of this? Is this a review or a paid infomercial?
Amen
I absolutely concur my friend.
Know the details and complexities of the entire power train before one meddles with upgrading power etc.
Alot of problems waiting to happen all dressed in Carbon fibre.
I'd rather look out for a sharp original Cecotto or Ravaglia Edt.
And save a heap of cash and maintain originality and ultimately reliability
Golf GTI gear knob 😐
@@neilmilner7074 The S14 never really produces so much torque that the power train cannot handle it, but the Getrag 265/5 Sport has no oil cooling fins. Better use the 260/6 from a M30 E32/E34 or add an oil cooler if you want to retain the gear shift pattern.
Had 2 Cecottos and one Evo 2. Never a Sport Evo but quite a few of those B25 engines. Never liked the S14 though. Swapped in the S38 instead. Like 25y ago.
I had to scroll down to make sure someone was thinking the same thing. To compare this to a Singer is an insult to Singer.
Would have preferred to see Harris' take on this.
Check out Catchpoles video on Carfection 👍
Indeed. He is annoying.
Its not worth Harris' time. Smoke and crappy upholestry.
I am not against restomods and oem++, but herefor an E30 M3 was sacrified to end up as an expensive toy full of no-value redux logo’s, a 3-dot pattern that doesn’t have a meaning, a perfection that fails. In the long run, this will only show up as a heavily modified BMW … and probably, in some countries, forbidden to drive on public roads due to its modifications.
The carfection version of this is by far better. Unbelievable how much better it is. Henry should be on Topgear he is by far the best motor journalist.
Harris is better
Harris should have done this review
Cmon top gear up your game
Disagree
This has more substance than catchpoles
I do agree the Carfection one is better but this is no means poor content by Topgear, very good take on it too, beats watching paddy mcguiness that's for sure! And to be honest no one can hold up a candle to Henry, that guy is a legend! :D
that price is an absolute joke, and they don't even supply the donor car 😂
330k for a customization HAHAAHHAHAHAH
And only 300hp
anyone notice the dash doesnt work?
So, in effect (as you need to supply an E30 M3 as a donor car) the actual price is more like £400,000!!!
My all time favorite M3, period. More old school than everything after it.
Older than newer cars?
@@captainianr Yep, not only the M3, the old Alfaholic's(Alfa GTA and GTV), the Emory Outlaws and older air cooled Porsche 911's.
Totally agree! But I suppose being more old school than the cars that are newer is not as difficult a feat. I'm the same way with GT-Rs, R32 all the way. A better example of a newer car that is more old school than it's predecessor would be the 997 from the 996 Porsche 911. The E30 is still one of my all time favorite cars!
@@Fpvpilot928 Also agree, just sold a 16 2 door GTI 6 speed pushing 375 whp 380wtq, set up for the track(not drag racing) more road course etc. Unfortunately, I had major Spinal surgery 1 1/2 yeas ago, it helped a bit, but I had a lot of nerve damage and after thinking long and hard I decided to sell it to someone that would want to track it. Sold it to a guy in CA, he's been to Willow Springs already and loves the car.
BMW M3 but no Chris Harris
There must be a disturbance in the force
I hope they fix the smoking engine and dead rev counter in production versions.
Is that a blue smoke from the exhaust? For that price point unforgivable...
Not a car guy; what does blue smoke indicate?
Most likely oil or a lubricant that is being burnt.
Lol, it was tyre smoke 😆
@@harrisr1018 bad head gasket
@@harrisr1018 It means oil or lubricant is being burnt in the combustion process. A well maintained engine should not be throwing out blue smoke even under high load so it is indicative of shoddy workmanship.
This video was so good, I watched it again to take more of it in. I love older M cars and this is one of them. (:
*I love restomods. Classic looks + modern tech is a delicious automotive recipe.*
One of the most beautiful cars ever built, it's a shame that the seats look like a pair of wrinkled b4lls
This makes no sense. They're replacing everything that made the M3 unique, save for the engine and transmission. Why not just start from a 318 coupe?
That engine also needs another tune, I would be a bit concerned with that small blue cloud
That is perfectly said , drives like you would imagine it should. We all love those old school cars but unfortunately they are all very slow compared to modern cars . So some serious mods are required to make them impressive enough, I just don't know about the price 🤔 Surly they will find 30 people with money to spent so it is all good I guess.
You just can't justify that price.
just love the square lines of 80's and 90's their my favorite cars and the E30 his one of them since i first saw it in 1986
everything about this is awesome except for the engine. I think for a build this detailed and comprehensive it would have made sense to put an s54 or some other inline 6. As built as that 4 cylinder is it can never beat the sound of an s54 screaming to 8k+ RPM.
yeah, well, that's just like your opinon, man
An E30M3 without the S14 is no longer an E30M3. The engine is a critical part of the car.
@@johnshaft5613 Also an I6 would add weight, which takes away from the purity of the E30 M3 driving experience. Heavy cars are no fun.
There's a reason BMW's M division disagreed with you when they built the original M3 road and race cars. If you want a restomod 325i that's fine, but no six cylinder E30 will ever be an M-car
And make the car nose-heavy in the process?
Starts the video talking about how the car was built and homologated specifically to win a race (lets just gloss over the fact BMW just wanted to put the Mercedes 190E Cosworth in its place) then proceeds to complain about the aesthetic details... think you missed the point mate the car was meant to win a race not look pretty, it just happened to be based on an already good looking car...
Old is Gold and this is a rare piece of Gold
that just looks AMAZING!!
Lovely beast, I'm lucky to own a genuine 86. It is great to know there's still people out there passionate in this world to create a beast like that.
So after all the media hype, this car with unplugged gauges will be sold as well... a shame!
The rear arches were not round, they were oblongish by design. I had this car and loved every bit of detail.
This E30 M3 CSL has baffled all other M3's by a mile! Just superb in every way.
Gorgeous! I don’t doubt the cost of the parts and labor to built it. But still, insane amount of money for the hole package. Maybe if Redux sells the parts separately, some M3 owners could get their “possible” best version of the M3!
"Such attention to detail" and yet the instrument cluster doesn't work when driving... Also smoke from the back?! TBH far, far away from sold on this.
Almost as cool as a 190e evo2! Very nice.
Great host too.
In 5 years we might see 90s restomods
Got one of these as a gift in high school. It’s wonderful car end up rolling it race down a mountain back road.
I'm glad this exists. The front end is a bit tepid. And for the price I think the "seat covers" could afford to have less waves in 'em. Upholstery by Cousin Bob? But overall, yeah!! Enjoy your ride Richies!!
I think it is cool and there are tons of other restomods out there that are cool but if you have to destroy an actual classic and drop 300k on top it is a losing proposition. If that guy had kept his Evo 2 stock it would probably be worth 400k in 10 years, these mods will just age terribly and make the car worth less in the future when technology improves exponentially. Why do you think stock Supra Turbo's sell for 200k while heavily modded ones are much cheaper.... I do think the car is cool but the whole reason for owning a vintage car is to drive it as it was, if you want peformance than buy a new M2 which is similar size and tons more power
All that and the new M2 is still less than a quarter of the price of this restomod lol
They could build the same thing starting with any E30 coupe, but then couldn't get away with charging £333k.
@@machina_spirit The people buying these are in a class bracket that means they don't want what everyone else has. Even at my average joe level, if I see a bunch of a certain car model around my area, it makes me not like it as much because it loses a bit of the "special" factor. These cars are rare, very well made restomods that gives the owners the performance of a new car with the essence and soul of an older car. Cars these days are so mass produced that the soul is lost, M2 for example...electric steering, fake exhaust noise through the speakers. You can't compare Redux to the eBay mods put on their 98' Supra. If you have to compare it, compare it to an original Top Secret Supra...find me one of those that's under 200k. They've appreciated just as much.
This is my dream car, I simrace the group a spec of this car a few times a week. I absolutely love it.
Cool car. I really don’t like the door panels or the side mirrors. Location of the Blaupunkt is dumb but I absolutely do love that Blaupunkt. Revvving out to 8k is dope.
I have an old E30 318i (not is). It is a wonderful car and power is definitely not an issue. Does anything you ask of it and always gives you a smile. It is probably the most rewarding everyday vehicle to drive.
On the performance side seems like a shit load of fun! the interior "leather" seating is a bit shabby; the leather is loose and wasn't pulled tight which makes it look cheap
Jeremy would be the perfect one for this kind of car review
This is my dream car! Everything about it is perfect, but I would paint it a dark British racing green! The wheels are on point! 👍👌
For £330k I'd want one with an engine that isn't pouring smoke out the back.
I forgot how good these sounded
10
Exciting car. However, it’s smoking blue all over the place… And for 300.000,- I expect the leather finish on the seat to be of a higher quality.
I was thinking the same, what's with the blue smoke, unless its tire smoke....
Nailed it!…I’d hope so for a £330k trackday car…it also looked like it was blowing blue 😬
I love these cars but there’s a limit….can’t believe they’re doing a £100k as it is, as you say a pretty underwhelming experience by the looks of the latest reviews, all surmising the e46 m3 the best option, and you get a nice one for a fraction of the price …….and last of all you might use it rather than squirrel it away!
"Nailed it" is the most appropriate description for this. 😁👍
nice memories of the past 👍
Prefer an E30 M3 Evolution by a mile!!! Nothing like the Original Recipe 🙌
Great looking and sounding thing, still retains a bit of body roll on the corners which probably makes it feel more like the original cars. Strange looking seat back !
9.12 to 9.23 is a spectacular shot
It's a litte OTT but hat off to Redux for having kept the S14. Woud have been so easy to shove a 3.8 or any other IL6, but no, they kept the spirit. Bravo. Not bling like the Singer either. All in subtlety. The thinking man's restomod. Nice!
We still Love it regardless in South Africa Bmw M3
30 years ago it used to be my 'dream car'...
today it still is...
Way cooler than the MK1 gti I had in the mid 90s with a 200hp 16 valve head on a 2.0.... Toped out around 95mph but was stupid quick on an autoX course.
How many of those could you buy for 400k
Thanks for the video. The restomod market is on fire . Redux for e30, Amos Futurista for the Delta Integrale . $400K is a lot of money but these will be all sold. Cars in this modern era all sort of look the same and performance numbers are off the charts but don’t offer that analog feel these restomods offer .
I could buy an original M3 for 100k, modify it myself to obliteration for far less than 50k, then have enough money to buy a new Porsche GT3
Took the words out of my mouth. Utter madness to destroy perfectly tunable cars with this level of stupidity.
I kind of need this.
Beautiful rims
The OE dimensions and proportions are IMO perfect. Don’t really like the added girth on the Redux and Hate the headlights. The OE ellipsoid are already perfect too.
Props to Retropower on this partnership.
Love it!
I could have bought an E30 M3 back in 2003ish for around 5 or 6k. My boss had a rare Alpina M3 E30 on 16"s dogleg box. Beautiful to drive. I wonder how much that would be worth now.....if only 😪
I say the same about the 850csi, but dont worry you will get something better
Pefections to tiniest detail .
Lol
When the restomod don't touch the aesthetics is the first step for a good resto
Great review and this guy can pedal..
Did you realize that it burns oil,a lot of oil,check all that white/Blue smoke coming out threw the exhaust at acceleration..also for that kind of money fix that tacho meter
Definitely savage iconic 🔥🔥🔥🧬
Beautifull !!! my dream car BMW E30 M3
Great attention to detail, but you wouldn’t expect any less from Retropower. For me I’d take the standard red M3 in this video and have the redlux engine or similar.
330K for an M3? Only on TG you hear these kind of jokes 🤦♂️
Well sport evo 3s go for thst much
It's sweet, but does it burn oil? Should have spend a few quid and gone for a billet option perhaps.
Please look into the renner m3 out of miami, amazing!
Billowing out blue smoke. Nice.
Why aren’t the needles on the gauges moving?
If they would've done the build on a normal E30 3 series like a 325i or a 318i and not to an original M3, I'd be far more inclined to doing that rather than possibly ruin the value of a rare car. Still, what Redux have done here is absolutely INCREDIBLE
Top gear really is all about the CZcams channel now.
Gorgeous car and sounds glorious. Those front seats look ropey and the price doesn't even compute. 😵💫
Amazing!
I saw this coming, singer of e30
With all my respect to the great job! but with this price i can buy a collection of BMs.. E30 M3, E36 M3, E46 CSL and still have some cash for gas 😀
god it looks so much better than the latest m3/4
The rear arch was cut a little bit more and there is a huge gap now
They go into so much detail with the shell, but can't source good leather for the seats-look at the creases
The scotch cloth seat is mega
Harris should test this car
All that money and the instrument cluster doesn’t work. They need to contact Bavrest 👍🏻🤣
This is great because it’ll be worth less than unmolested E30 M3’s in the future. Maybe I could snag it cheap and put it back to stock.
If you want an improved E30 M3 driving experience, get your ARDS and buy/build a race version with AMSpeed. Probably far less than this
Waiting for someone to do the same to the 190E 2.3
If you've ever seen Retropower in Hinckley's work, it becomes apparent why it costs that much.
But 330k is eye-watering.
the creases in those seats...
A lot of People don’t know that The 2002-2010 Chris Bangles designs were inspired by the back of an E30 M3..💡
Thinks: A good M3 and a 3.0 CSL, the best of BMW, and still money in your pocket!
I can here Chris Harris salivating from here.
Damn what a crazy but yet worth restomod
I actually think the E30 325is looked better and was just nearly as fast imho.