Who is the better manager? Mourinho v Guardiola | Craig Bellamy & Danny Mills | The Debate
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Craig Bellamy and Danny Mills compare the managerial methods of Jose Mourinho and Pep Guardiola ahead of Sunday's Manchester derby.
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Mourinho had a much tougher journey and still won. What he did in Porto and Inter Milan is unmatchable - especially at Porto.
Guardiola is different. He seems to make good teams even better and his style of football is very appealing.
Two giants, but for me Mourinho stands alone. It’s a matter of preference I guess.
I think most people seem to ignore the fact that Barcelona 2007/2008 were probably the worst Barcelona team in decades. They had to go through the playoffs to qualify for the Champions League. And Pep made that a treble winning team just a season later. He makes great teams out of smaller ones too...
Nirupam Khanal a team with messi, Ronaldinho, deco Henry, ibrahimovic
@@deviousz9658 underperforming nonetheless
@@deviousz9658 r u ok, these names are now known as big names, but who actually took them to another level, pep. he made messi who he is now, ibra was trash back then, ronaldinho didn't paly for him n henry wasnt good at all wen he was at barca, wat made his team good was his midfield and by implementing his ideologies onto xavi and iniesta he made them the best
@@deviousz9658 Ronaldinho and deco were gone before Guardiola took over. They were not part of the 2009 UCL side
11:36 “If you don’t lose, you’ve got a chance of winning”
World class punditry.
@Brayden Josiah Damn! It took like 10 minutes but I forgot that I don't have a girlfriend!
Really hope your kidding.. that Quote is so so dull.. mind you this entertainment🙈🙈🙈
mourinho is a defensive manager who is a pragmatist, guardiola is an attacking manager who is an idealist. Two completely different managers who are equally good in different aspects.
Check your stats. Mourinho has 25 trophies and Pep has 21. So how exactly has his record crushed Mourinho?
How long has Mou been manager compared to Pep?
The difference in years is insignificant. For at the end of the day, very few coaches have his record of success in the same number of years. Give credit where credit is due. Guardiola milked that amazing Barca team for years whilst Mourinho has done it in 4 different countries with each team varying in budgets and resources. Let's not mention that Porto team and the Inter team. Mourinho's teams become better as a result of his work but that depends on what you value in football. I see a man who has mastered the art of defending and shutting down the opposition. I see teams mastering the art of the counter-attack. Mourinho records are well documented, for instance, the most league goals scored in a season with Real Madrid. For someone labeled as a defensive manager that record destroys critics. They also miss the stats on Chelsea's record-breaking side from 2004-2006. If you send both managers to Portsmouth FC who have no money for transfers, mourinho will win the league but Pep would need "certain" players to fit his system and would be frustrated because he has no money to buy them.
My analogy with Portsmouth is obviously hypothetical. He won't coach them because the best teams pay for Pep and smaller teams can't compete. Yet, the analogy illustrates the classic view of many today who value Peps beautiful style over Mourinho's pragmatic approach that gets results. Don't bring United into this for again he needs time and has already proven that he has taken the team to a higher level. They have won more games and played better football than since the days of Sir Alex. What did Pep win last year? 0 How much has Mourinho won? I'll let you check that stat and you will see. Granted Pep and City will more than likely win the league this year. Congratulations Pep and City. However, the Premier league is fluid. Anyone can win the Premier League. It's that competitive. From Leicester to Chelsea, the only dominance that league has ever had was Liverpool in the 90's and United after that. Just like Pep after failing last year invested and got it right. Mourinho will do the same again this summer and you will see. Btw, CR7 could play with Portsmouth and win the league but, Messi couldn't.(Sorry couldn't help myself)
The hypotheticals were obviously used to highlight the facts that are ever present in my discourse on the topic at hand. I'm not denying Peps success, or that he gets results. I'm only saying that you are not looking at it from a holistic point of view. The broader picture shows that Mourinho is currently more successful and that is attriubuted to his genius as a manager. Few would argue that Sir Alex is probably the greatest manager of all time. 49 trophies over 37 years in management. Do the math. That means Guardiola is better according to your standard. LOL! If you think Pep is better than Sir Alex then we can just end this discussion here.
Mourinho is the man who does the impossible. Winning the league with Madrid. Winning the treble with Inter. Winning champions league and uefa cup with Porto. That's something that pep can't do.
@Jeremy Grant that was 4 years before pep joined them
Winning the league with Madrid? are you mad? Real has the most leagues. At Real he lost 2 La Lisa and won 1. he failed in Ucl.
Pep won with big teams, Mourinho not
Pep: When I have the ball, you cannot score.
Mourimho: When you are attacking, you cannot defend.
How can bellamy say that Mourinho didn't have competition in serie A? Inter won the league on the last day of the season I believe.
...because juventus, ac milan, fiorentina and i think a few others were punished for match fixing...and i remerber that inter case was no different but the owner of club did cooperate with authorities and was acquitted. inter was the only big italian club that got stronger and other teams punished, or relegated.
Igy E so you don't consider As Roma a big team? Inter scored in the 85th minute to win at Sienna, and win the league by 2 points. Roma finished just 2 points behind them. That is not competition? I don't get it.
The thing is that inter had a good team, but Mou over achieved with that team. Remember what happened the following season under Benitez?
Roma hasn't change much through the years .....they just don't win titles. i would consider them the Tottenham of Italy. Anyways, so what happened to Juventus, AC Milan, Fiorentina, Lazio, Parma... during that time????
Igy E true. But they were good that season which is the basis of comparison here. Inter had an 11 point lead by Christmas. They cut it down to 2.
It not just right to insinuate that a team that won a league by just 2 points didn't have competition.
frank e ...man city had competition from Conte's chelsea, Wenger's Arsenal, Klopp's Liverpool, Pochettino's Tottenham, Mou's United and a few others that escape my mind...and Man City has a 10+ point difference with strong competition. All the clubs mentioned above are really good and getting better and better....it just happens that that man city is the best of all of them.
Juventus and Milan and Lazio and Fiorentina were not strong. Specially the first two. Of course they were competing because they are great clubs...but they weren't at their full potential.
Listen, remove Man city from the epl and who is the the #1 in the standings? Man United, right? And by how many points? Everything becomes much tighter, right? Put Man City back...and who becomes #1 and by how many points? Exactly!
Conte, klopp, Mou, Pochettino, and Pep got the transfers that they requested...except for wenger but that is another story and a lost cause. What im saying that if Pep's city were excluded....the epl standings would be tight. Simply put...pep is beating everyone....including Mou. This is a real tough competition and look where mou's united is in both points and volume of football.
in 2008, when Guardiola took over, how many English people were saying that Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Pique were world class? How many were saying that Xavi and Iniesta were the best midfielders in the world. I would say not many. Only after the treble and WC did people wake the fuck up.
Logan Monks typical english ppl. always says epl is the best. rofl
Xavi and Iniesta people underrated but Puyol was a known great and Pique played for Manchester United
Pique actually re-signed for Barcelona the summer prior to the treble winning season, and Puyol may have been thought of as a great player but I highly doubt that many people in England were envious of a 1.68 m CB.
My point is that after Guardiola ditched Deco and Ronaldinho, hardly anyone would have been expecting him to achieve what he did for a team that had just gone the prior two seasons trophy less. The 2009 UCL winners only had 3 players from the same starting XI as the 2006 winners. Its unfair to him to hold that Barcelona team responsible for his success when he was fundamental to shaping it.
Imagine Mourinho gets the Barcelona job like he wanted. Sure they may have been successful due to their buying power and the otherworldly talent that is Messi. However, I would guarantee that Xavi and Iniesta would not have been pillars of the team.
ur right. i remember this liverpool fan insisting steven gerad was as good a midfielder as n e in the world but i used to watch the spanish league n i tried telling that no sorry mate. these spanish lads are in a different league.. he just wouldnt have it.. IDIOT lol.
@@ryang790 zidane said in 2008, Gerrard was the best player in the world, best player in the world, not only best midfielder, but I guess you know better than zidane
Bellamy lost me when he tried to say Porto and Inter Milan should be winning the CL 🤦♂️
Not porto but inter with Zanetti, milito, Sneijder, Eto'o should be winning
@@sehajmahajan4683 inter should win against the greatest club team in football history?
@@JJJJ-fi9dg not should be, but inter winning isn't a huge achievement. An achievement nevertheless, but it doesn't fit into the insincere argument that Mourinho won with a smal team. Inter wasn't a small team. It would've been more surprising had he not won anything that year
@@sehajmahajan4683 he won the treble with inter. To put it into context, no team it the history of Italian football (nearly 150 years) has ever won a treble. That to, winning the UCL against the greatest club team in football history (pep’s Barca)
@@JJJJ-fi9dg lmao he didn't beat them in a final, he beat them over two legs. Btw, one season before Mourinho, pep Guardiola won the treble in his first season in charge of a top flight team along with 3 extra trophies, after losing deco and Ronaldinho, the stars of the team. To put that into context, that was the highest number of trophies won by any team in a single season anywhere in the history of football. And if you want to compare losses, pep beat Mourinho when he had a better team than 2010 inter when barca destroyed real Madrid in UCL semis in 2011. Icing on the cake, pep Guardiola has a much better head to head record against Mourinho.
These 2 aren’t not qualified to answer a question like this. Ask them who’s getting relegated. More their level.
Double negative.
True hahahaha both shite players Craig Bellamy was barely good enough to get one inform fifa card loool
Gad Fg it was clearly a typo...
Chaz Dingle surely had to be a technical error on FIFA's part
Looool
8:52 How can Bellamy try and dismiss Mourinho's achievements at Porto? What a clown
CoachPeteQuinn they sold deco and cavalho and other players..ofcourse they wont be as good you clown.
What about when pep turned Barca around coming from the Barcelona b team in his first season and in his 2 season he got a job from the Barcelona team
RomanoFirstHalf Arsenal 03/04 was a fluke hahahaha. Man united are better, have loyal fans while Arsenal are plastics
@eddy flare: Not sure what you're talking about. Deco and Carvalho never played for Inter.
Robin Thomson this may be the single worst argument for mourinho I’ve ever seen. And I’ve seen a lot.
Guardiola had amazing players at Barca? He got rid of most of the big stars with his arrival and replaced with young, untested players from the academy. Ronaldinho, Zambrotta, Deco, Thuram - out of the door. Yaya Toure and Eto'o the following season. In their places - Sergio B., Pedro etc. I remember thinking at the time, that he was nuts and he was gonna get sacked before Christmas. Not to mention Barca had no trophies for 2 consecutive seasons before Guardiola. Now everyone is saying, that he inherited a winning team. It was the same with Bayern. How many trophies did Bayern win before the treble-winning season?
Guardiola was very brave. And it took courage to turn that team around but
except for Samuel Et'oo (who he kept for a year) all of the players Pep got rid of were on a downward trajectory in their careers. In their places he added Pedro and Busquets who were untested but he had Messi, Xavi and Iniesta in the midfield and Carles Puyol at the back (three out of the four of those guys had won the Champions League and played a vital role in the team).
That being said, he did not inherit a winning team; Barça at the time were a disaster although they had just won the CL a few years before. It wasn't because they didn't have good players and even after Guardiola's purge they still had a great team. The problem was that Rijkaard's management style was not sustainable.
But in the end, neither was Guardiola's (by his own admission) and that's why he left. But while he was there, he took them to a different level.
MrJoromekiq1 And Pep kicked Etoo out for Zlatan, Jose used the kicked out player against pep to win the CL...
Bayern won a treble with Guardiola gahahaha are you nuts, have you forgot that master coach from Bayer that is definitely the beast
Heyckens also went trophyless with that same team prior to the treble winning season, If Pep had gone trophyless with that team, everybody will talk more about the trophyless season than the treble winning season.
Name 5 inter players who won the treble. Don't search on the net
Mourinho Forever! 💪🤟❤️
Players who played under both mourinho and pep .. are in a better position to voice their opinion
Respect for this legend of a Manager, he is a champion and a fighter to the end... he is the man that can bring glory to united! Respect Respect Respect!
I pick Mourinho for his style and talent.
If I was a young player then I'd rather have Pep as a mentor. Mourinho is better at grinding out results with average players. Too many idiots saying that Inter had a shit team when Mourinho took over, which is untrue since they had world class players like Samuel Eto'o and Zanetti.
yeah but they were not the best team in Europe they won against the mighty barca and Bayern munic
He had Materazzi as well at Inter
Mourinho doesn't develop players at all ,only wins with better players
Guardiola develops players
Messi had not won the Ballon'dor before Pep had joined Barcelona,he improved Messi as well
Under Pep ,Messi won 4 Ballon'dor
Without Pep,only 1
GunnerGameReviewer22 stankovic, chivu, Sneijder ,milito, Eto ,zanetti, ceaser, cambiasso And more BIG PLAYERS
Actually Mourinho brought Eto'o in. To be fair he let Ibrahimovic go to make that happen. However his main striker was Diego Milito, who was a relative unknown at the time who Mourinho nabbed from Genoa. He also brought in Thiago Motta from Genoa. He also brought in Sneijder from Real Madrid and a handful of others to suit his vision, and it worked.
Eric cantona said he rather watch city then United, Nuff said
MrMooemoney the best reply there is from A Manchester United Legend
Argument over
As an attacking player you'd rather watch an attacking team... as a defender one would probably rather a defensive team. Peps style is easier on the eye, whereas Mourinho's tactics are genius. Most people are gonna opt for Pep's, because people generally prefer attacking football, some even claim it to be the correct way of playing, but both styles are effective.
Guardiola could walk on water and all the middle eastern, Asian, and london united fans would say it was because he couldn’t swim
Pep had Messi. or maybe Messi had pep. Messi with pep- 4 ballon doors in 4 years. messi without pep- 1 ballon dor in 6 years. so who made who the goat
Anyone with any brain cells knows what he has done anyone can do, won the treble at Barca so did the next bum of a manager all thanks to Leo Messi failed at Bayern Munich and has spent more than anyone at Manchester City where all the best players were already there Jose Mourinho has done it at Porto won Real Madrids first league in over 5 years won it with Inter Milan and made Chelsea what they are
student helper Yes because he's been so poor since Pep Guardiola left
Have you seen The Guardiola Way Manchester Derby Pre Match Analysis?
So who brought Leo Messi into the Barca team, making him the central player by leaving out Ronaldinho? Messi wasn't the GOAT when Pep took over remember? It's very easy to say Oh Pep had Messi, no Pep made Messi into what he is today. I'll never understand this argument from you people. MESSI WAS A BRILLIANT PROSPECT WHEN PEP TOOK OVER, he hadn't won any Ballon D'ors. He coasted the league with Bayern, if it was so easy then how come Ancelotti got sacked? All the best players were already at Manchester City? Name them and I'll give you an eye-opener. But I doubt it'll open your eyes since your face is filled by Jose's scrotum.
Even as a United fan, I'll answer this as unbiased as possible. The better MANAGER is Mourinho the better COACH is Guardiola.
The better manager and coach is Guardiola
ok, from your unbiased view how is mourinho a better manager? Because he's won the champions league with porto? fs at least watch that champion league they got lucky AF, not the final but the rounds before that, kind of like madrid last year, ref absolutely killed madrid vs bayern. Actually while on this - because you sound like you know what you're talking about whats the difference between a manager and a coach exactly?
Ole Vaskov Well that was a wasted paragraph wasn't it. That wasn't even anywhere near the thought process.
Mourinho is the better manager. You look at how he fires his players up, his tactics behind the scenes in how he motivates his squad. He deflects heat away from his players when they've played badly. I've not heard anyone come out and say 'how aweful' he's been to them. I've heard plenty come out and criticise Pep and how he treats his players. Mourinho's man management is second to none at the moment.
A manager takes on a role a lot more wider than just solely focusing on the playing style, quality of play and the results. They also deal with and focus on a whole variety of other roles that are included in a football club.
You look at SAF for example. He very rarely took a training session. He may have been their and watched on, but, didn't actually take responsibility of that, whereas a coach would without fail lead the training session.
Ritesh Thapa Back up that statement. I agree Pep's the better coach. So prove to me how he's the better manager given the difference between the two roles?
Do you see his tactics behind the scenes? Nah you dont. You see how he motivates players? Nah, almost certain you dont. Point number 1 - not valid. You havent heard anyone say they dont like mou? Pepe, Ramos,Casillas, Hazard? to name a few. He deflects heat away from players? Martial, Joe Cole, Hazard even Ronaldo(I think) - deffo no deflections there, was there? Mou GETS SACKED for a reason. Point number 2 - not valid. Also, "I've heard plenty come out and criticise Pep and how he treats his players" - who Eto'o and Ibra? Well they are 2 massive egos ofc they will come out and say something because they didn't play as much under him, but he was still succesful without them so that doesn't matter. (I'm sure Bendtner, for example, prolly hated Wenger)
Ok now onto the whole manager vs coach thing. So you think that Pep doesn't have input into what happens with transfers (pretty sure he single handedly picks players out), youth setup or as you so generaly put it (probably because your knowledge isnt as vast as i thought) "whole variety of other roles " other than training players and the way they play?
NOW you have a point with Pep being at training sessions more than Mou - simply because boring-counter attacking-defensive style of play is a lot easier to teach than attacking football, Mou probably tells his coaches what he wants and they go do it for him, Pep philosophy is harder to grasp and is UNIQUE so not easy to teach and requires more of a hands-on approach.
Craig articulated his position with aplomb
this is ridiculous, pep manchester city has net spent double compared to other EPL teams in the last 5 years. if you can spend that much on quality players, of course you will have some success. Jose mourinho has done it with lesser players and much less budget, FC porto, Inter milan.
Bayern munich has won the past 8 bundesliga title, with or without guardiola they are just as good. Barcelona has won the la liga 5 in the last 7 years, they even won the UCL after pep. Now the issue is, Pep has never won the UCL without messi and that legendary barcelona team. He has always one of the strongest team every year, the year before he took over Bayern munich they were UCL champion. he has failed the trophy that every team he managed really wants, which is the UCL. but he always tried to downplay it because he knows it will hurt his legacy.
Rinus Michels, Johan Cruijff, Sacchi and Guardiola have been the most influential coaches of the last 50 years.
You know football, Sir.
Don't forgot clough, paisley and Ferguson.
jimipurple123 they weren't influential,they didn't have certain,revolutionary style of play
jorge carvalho yes they did. Clough liked wingers like Ferguson. Bill Nicholson at spurs and Herbert Chapman at arsenal all introduced systems that are used today. Even Frank watt at Newcastle invented the offside tactic.
Nothing new about pep style if keeping the ball. The Hungarians were doing that in the 50's. Sadly the media this day and age think managers are geniuses. Nothing is new now. All been done.
Pep always had a good team with him like in Barcelona. Barcelona would have won the champions league with our without him but it wouldn’t be as entertain as it was and mourinho won with Porto. I rest my case
Mourinho wins 🤘🏾
When Pep took over at Barca, Barca didn't even qualify for champions league spot, they had to qualify through play off. Stop talking like a fool. Try and be informed.
Listen mate when he took over barca they were all nobodies
I find it hilarious when people compliment United on being huge and physical . If being very very tall made you a title favorite then West brom would win it every season because they're the tallest team in the PL..
This is football , not the WWE - who ever looked at Messi and though " that guy is decent but he will never make it because he's not tall enough ". The fact people talk about United bullying City and roughing them up just shows you nobody believes United will outplay City and are better footballers
say that to the invincibles cos thats what they were
Ceco Elvisa you can talk some crap united hater
Liban Adan ahaha bro don't say that again!! Invincible were not jut tall physical players they were a talented team full of creativity and beautiful football not just winning games physically they dominated oppositions. And had a balance of flair and physicality which united doesn't have.
The invincibles were not just tall and physical - they could play brilliant football - Henry, Pires - geniuses
Ceco Elvisa Mourinho thinks he plays Rugby
Bellamy is spot on! Very impressed by his arguments. Tired of hearing pep has a brilliant team all the time. Put an avg bloke as manager he is not going to achieve success as pep.
Pep had Messi. or maybe Messi had pep. Messi with pep- 4 ballon doors in 4 years. messi without pep- 1 ballon dor in 6 years. so who made who the goat
pep also had xavi iniesta puyol eto ibra villa in their primes alongside the best prime years of messi
o2xb Off course he did. He didn't utilize eto after 09 or ibra or deco, great players no doubt but without a good manager there practically lost. Look what happened after 2012. Messi did amazing with villanova but after that barcelona has lost their way playing more direct and have won the trebble in 2015. But with pep he won it all almost every year for 4 years.
student helper last time i remember, Messi won the Ballon d'or in 2012. We're just in 2017, hun. 1 ballon d'or in 5 years, more like. That's more to do with the depth this Barca squad has now. They're relying all too well in Messi's brilliance. Other than Messi, Barca's squad depth is deteriorating. Pep helped Barca, sure. But even Pep admits Messi made him look like a good manager.
LmfaoYou Last time messi got it was 2015 the year they won the trebble. Uhmm messi is relied on slightly compared to the years of guardiola or the year he carried barcelona in 2012 on his back. Guardiola system was central to messi so we expect incredible results. The squad depth? umm yea and no they were short on players in 2010 or 2011. It's not squad depth but its much more than that. Guardiolas team always have been short squads up to 17 players.
When they got destroyed by Bayern, Barca was managed by Tito n not Pep.
Yeah you really missed the point there. When Bayern was destroyed by Barca.... Pep was the coach at Bayern..
Terence Hall nope,it was jupp heynckes
Terence Hall , the Bayern team under Pep was beaten by Barcelona but not destroyed.
NO,Pep was on his sabatical in NY - I remember because that was the time Fergie was courting him relentlessly. Bayern had signed him though but to take over in the season to follow.
False, the Bayern that got cheated and beaten by Madrid was actually coached by Carlos Ancelotti.
its pretty weird how pundits always seem to under estimate Mourinho. i actually think he likes being under appreciated.btw isnt it way too early to say Pep has succeeded in Mancity.
given the stats i will say Mourinho have done far better than Pep. or am i wrong?
k2d10tode11 Wait till he manages in England next season. The press will descend on him
nah he wouldnt have the chance to do that. tho i definitely think if he really wanna, they will give it to him without question!
The new points per game awards system.
More Possession ........1.0
Attack............................0.9
Defend...........................0.1
Goals..............................1.0
Total...............................3.0 points
*****Nonsense*****
Jose for me...anyday anytime anywhere.
If Jose had the city team of last season he still I can argue would have gotten a silverware.
Good we will stay right up in the op flight where we belong domination England
the truth is, if it was in Spain or Germany or even France, i would have said the league is finish but the premier league is a tricky one. i still think even 10-15 points is still not enough. got no stats, so i might be wrong.
Super interview...intellectual and fact based...well done guys.
As an Man Und fan i have to pray for an victory but wihout pogba is gonna be very hard
stela uzunova the title race is over on saturday
wenger is the greatest manager ever Man city are gonna probably win but we can still dream
wenger is the greatest manager ever Sunday is the game and as a united fan for some reason I'm quite confident cos city are on a bad run of form
BetFair people think man Und Will win
The game is in the palm of your hands. It's down to Your team to change the game
Mourinho destroys the beauty of football. He wants to take the romance and inspiration out of football for the cost of winning. As a chelsea fan I'm grateful to Mourinho for whatever he did. But I'm definitely not grateful to the way he shoved out technically brilliant players like De bruyne and Mata ( who was the one of the best in the world at that time, look at him now). For me thus, I'd prefer Pep over Mourinho any day because I believe football should be a form of artistic expression and Pep is one of the few in the current world who has stuck to that principle and has won things as well. Mourinho is definitely a better organizer and motivater but that's not what football is about for me. Others are welcome to disagree but I believe football is art and its for bringing joy to the fans who spend their hard earned money and sacrifice time to watch their favourite teams. Conte is I think weirdly represents the a balance between the two. So COYB!
What makes you think Mourinho is a better motivator??
Debokarsho Dutta didn't see any shouts and ranting when you guys lost de bruyne but know coz he's doing bits you guys says oh I regret that. Everyone can look back and make judgement.
Hindsight is 20/20
Salah and De Bruyne were not world class players back then
IF there were then they would have stayed in the Premier league and not gone to Italy and Germany to revive their careers
Debokarsho Dutta ... defending is an act that is why I love the Greece team of 2004.
Debokarsho Dutta
As a Chelsea fan are you disgusted about pep cheating ye out of a ucl final. What about him cheating this year telling his players to fall over in the box. And they NEVER get booked.
Mourinho tactically is a better manager but i simply prefer Pep especially in the long run. Look at Barca and Bayern now they are dominating their leagues and competing each year regardless of the problems of chairmans. (Barca)
Mourinho tactically is a better manager? Oh please, no way. Mourinho just sticks a defensive playstyle onto the field and players for counterattacks unless the opponent is weak compared to his side. Meanwhile Pep creates lineups and positions that interchange whenever countered, and keep constant possession. No way Mourinho is a better tactician.
Bayern already dominated their league before Pep. Pep was actually a downgrade on Heynckes, who reached two consecutive Champions League finals and won the treble in his last year.
Niall B And Mourinho was a massive downgrade when it came to Real, completely destroying the king of clubs. Your point?
England should be happy that Pep is coaching in England because every country that Pep coaches in, wins the world cup e.g Spain and Germany
Sorry..you were saying?
How did it turn it for ''football is coming home?''
This didnt age well
So you're trying to say pep has more to do with Germany winning the world cup, then the coaches like hynckes and klopp who were there already
The players Jose mourinho developed are still remembered today, he made mediocre teams look world class. Pep just refurbished teams which are already good. Mourinho when from scrap to gold.
This shouldn't even be a debate. Pep is 100 times better than Mourinho. A manager like Mourinho who only knows one style of play 10-0-0 is not fit to be compared with Pep
Ruiz Sanchez lol
pep needs talent to make his style of play works...only thing i can say is that he cant win with the porto squad or inter squad that mourinho won with the champions league...that definitely is something...
Collins Odhiambo Inter had the best striker in the world Eto, best right back in the world Zanetti, best attacking midfielder in the world Snejderlin, Milito, Balotelli and many more. Dont disrepect Inter like that
Collins Odhiambo inter and porto had good players wtf you on 😂😂😂
Kane poor man's Sergio Aguero Aguero Balotelli was 19 they also had cambiasso Maicon zanetti and milito were past there best
you must be mad..you can make an argument for inter cz most of those players had already made their name but porto those players came to prominence after mourinho won the ucl before that no one knew who the likes of deco, carvalho, ferreira were so please get your facts right...
It's only in hindsight which you can say the inter players were great players, no doubt they were good before Mou but they definitely weren't expected to achieve the heights they did, Mou took them to a completly different level and the fact that before he came they couldn't get past the 1st round Knockout stages proves that.
Mourinho is hands down the best tactician of modern times, and arguably even the best in the history of the sport.
To win the Champions League with Porto is outrageous. His 04/05 Chelsea team was the greatest Premier League side in history, statistically. His 05/06 team was almost as good. He went to a struggling, ageing Inter Milan and won the treble. He then went to Madrid and led them to their first league title in years with a stunning points tally - breaking the long era of Barca dominance, as he was hired to do. He then returned to Chelsea and won the Premier League again with a mixture of gorgeous attacking football and astute defensive tactics.
He revolutionised tactical approaches to the game. So many of the great current managers were heavily inspired by his style - Simeone, Conte, Sampaoli, Pochettino, etc. His tactical innovations became so unbelievably successful that the entire world of managers had to come up with a way to combat it. Tiki taka was born as a way to beat Mourinho's tactics, such was his influence. His last few years have been a bit average, but his overall career is truly great. Alongside Ferguson as an all time great.
Many forget that Mourinho was also at Barcelona
and he beat the highest points and goal tally record at Real Madrid
There is a reason Deco was in Mourinho's team and Barcelona bought it
This is the title decider for me. City Win = the premier league, United Win = They have a chance to win it
Matthew Hardwick don't forget chelsea(Champions) are only 3 points behind manu and by the way after Christmas we can judge.
If United win then it's back to a 3 horse race but if City win then that's the end.
When Barceloan was destroyed by Bayern,it wasnt Pep the coach. Pep was on his sabatical in NY during that year and Tito was the head coach and was seriously ill unfortunately during that exact period - his cancer had return. Danny Mills needs to get his knowledge up to date.
Mourinhou was the manager of RM though when they were trashed 5-0 at Bernabeu by Pep's Barca.
Pep's Barca was stacked at that time though. Compared to RM if I were to bet on the match I'd def bet on Barca.
Mourinho is the villain in English media but is the best manager in the prem outside of Ferguson. all these pundits despise him bc he made their playing careers hell by creating one of the best english teams ever
The comment section has lot of Mourinho fans but I believe these are Manchester United fans not Mourinho fans
Just because he is manager of United,he is getting the Support
If Pep was manager of United,the same fans in the comment section would have favoured Guardiola for playing beautiful and rebuked Mourinho for parking buses
Pep Guardiola will get your team to play attractive free flowing football, win trophies, promote young talent, develop a great team for the future, unlock potential in players they never thought they had it in them, make the players more flexible so they can cover for the players who are injured and will have a rapport with the squad.
Mourinho will get your team to play ugly, bus parking, against the run of play, anti-football, win trophies, doesn't promote young players or care about building a team for the future, will throw his own players under the bus when they under-perform, falls out with the team in his 3rd season and will leave the club in a horrible state!
So yeah, Guardiola is the better manager in every possible aspect!!
1 year later look where we are with Jose smh
Mourinho won the Champions League with Porto and Inter two unflavoured teams three Premier league titles a few serie a la liga liga nos Jose for me
the worst team pep has ever coached is man city
@@sparkleshine6590 Also don't forget a Portugal league
none of which happened at Munich...
Mou won champs league with porto? Argument over
Joe Keating ... he didn’t just win champions league , he won the Europa league the season before and I think Inter was even harder to win because of Barca dominance at the time and inter didn’t have much individual talent as them
Pep created the best club side ever in world football. Now the argument is over
de metteo won with chelsea ? de metteo the is te best the dbt is over
wait for it - Luke Chadwick has won the premier league. Makes him beter than Pogba, Lukaku etc etc etc etc etc etc. Fucking moron. Argument over
And could not with RM? Argument over - Zidane,a roukie won it back to back using the same team Mourinhou couldnt win one with in 3 years.
2022 and still no UCL for City and Pep💯👏
Mourinho once hailed a pragmatic genius by the English media in his first spell at Chelsea in a time when Ferguson and Arsene were in a two horse race for at least a decade.
He won the treble with Porto who had Deco who was their only world class player and turned Benni McCarthy into one of the most feared strikers in Europe
Brought life into the premier league with the rise of Chelsea in his first season.
Took a below par Inter Milan who had Diego Milito and Lucio who were past their prime and revived Materazzi's career to win a treble in a time Barcelona,Madrid and Bayern Munich were far superior to that Inter Milan.
Pep started with the Barcelona youth team with Xavi,Iniesta,Busquets and Messi.
He earned his spot as manager at Barcelona when they honestly did not expect anything from them despite having Ronaldinho who was the best player on the planet overachieved and rode their luck at times against Arsenal.
He knew he had to change Barcelona even if it meant getting rid of Ronadinho which is crazy to think of now and installed tiki taka as an adaption from total football which led to the rise of Barcelona for half a decade.
When he moved to Bayern Munich after they just won a treble with Jupp Heyneckes who is incredibly underrated.
He changed the system at Bayern which was a mistake in itself because they did not need the shift it was an already great technical team.
His achievement there was improving Philip Lahm from left full back into a bonified midfield maestro.
Yes he won all the domestic titles when he was there but failed to win the Champions League and will be regarded as not a failure but an unecessary luxury because they were and are managers capable of winning the Bundesliga with Bayern Munich despite the improvement of style of play.
Manchester City fastfowarded the Pep effect by giving him unlimited transfer funds to buy whomever he wanted but what he did to City who had Aguero,Kompany and Toure as the spine of that already great team were not getting any younger he brought in youth even though he spent a lot of money even overspent on Bravo and Nolito.
He has made City an exciting passing team didnt matter though because he didnt win the Premier league last season so he spent again this season but this time they have to win the treble to be considered successful.
So Jose Mourinho is still better for me but Pep is worth a mention along with Conte,Lopetegui,Heyneckes who are also magnicifent managers.
Coming from a Chelsea fan.
Re-wind the clock to 2016 before Guardiola announced that he would leave Bayern for the Man City, and before everyone knew that Mourinho was going to replace LVG at Man Utd. If there had been poll asking Man Utd fans at that time whether they wanted Guardiola or Mourinho to become their next manager, I bet that most of them would have chosen Guardiola.
Both managers will guarantee trophies at a big club, but under Guardiola the team will play more attractive football. Mourinho's tactics against City were just cowardly. Plus while Guardiola falls out with big name players like Eto'o, Ibrahimovic and Hart, Mourinho's falls out with squads of players like Real Madrid when everyone hated him by the time he left and at Chelsea when the players downed tools under him in 2015/2016. So there is less negative press and publicity to deal with under Guardiola.
And at Bayern, Guardiola brought in young players like Kimmich and Kingsley Coman and spent a lot of time developing them, despite knowing that he would soon leave the club and wouldn't be there for their prime years. Mourinho would never do anything like that. So Guardiola leaves clubs in better positions than Mourinho does as well.
Jose greatest manager of all time
Tbf to Guardiola that Barcelona team he made great, Xavi thought he was gone, busquetes was a youth player, dani Alves was transformed from mediocre to world class, pique was a Man Utd failure, Messi was a world class winger but turned him into the best player in history, Valdes was a poor player but turned into a decent keeper and a good ball player. And for Bayern he turned Boateng world class, made lahm a world class midfielder he made javi Martinez a world class centre back from a good midfielder. There are countless other cases with players who have been vastly improved and therefore made these team the best players in the world.
Pep builds great teams that play some of the best and most entertaining football around, where as Mourinho grinds out wins, that aren't pretty to watch. But both managers get the job done, complete different styles though.
Mourinho has improved a great deal of players Varane hazard matic terry carvalho di Maria Ozil even Bailly and Jones at United
Khalil Williams He improved hazard and brought his level down also. But the other players,yes. I guess defenders like him more than the forwards. Even Ronaldo criticized his tactics when he was in Madrid.
No manager could've made delph the best left back in the prem except for pep
anyone else think bellamy speaks with such arrogance that he cannot afford himself
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Said it elsewhere but Guardiola would not have brought in the players we needed to form the core of our team. How he plays now is irrelevant, he would never get us to that point. He has always had the core of the team already in place for him.
City’s fullbacks when Pep arrived in 2016 were Zabaleta, Sagna, Clichy and Kolarov. All past their prime. Joe Hart was the goalkeeper. Grandpa Toure was still a starter in midfield. Bony, Fernando and Mangala all had over 30 appearances in the previous season.
That City team needed far more rebuilding than most people want to admit.
I want to see Pep and Mou manage teams like Frankfurt, Crystal Palace, Bologna or Las Pamas.
I'm a united fan and I think peps the better tactical manager
Mills was wrong on two points:
1. The Actress's Inter Milan team was packed with star players. And he added Lucio, Sneijder and Eto'o for the Treble season. Since there was no one to challenge them they strolled to the Serie A title and Italian Cup. All they had to do was turn up for the UCL games. And they cheated and got favourable decisions in the Semi-Final against Barcelona.
2. The Actress has improved players. She hasn't done it as much as other coaches such as his eternal nemesis, Guardiola or Klopp or Conte.
@Majak Kok, I was talking about The Actress. Not her nemesis. Stick to the script, son.
@Majak Kok, it's not a comparison, son. It's a critique. There's a difference.
@Majak Kok, OK. But who's winning now? Not The Actress.
Barcelona also had favourable decisions. In the first leg, Milito was offside when through on goal when he clearly was onside. And in the second leg Thiago Motta was disgracefully sent off for "seriously injuring" Sergio Busquets in the face
As a football fan, i would pay to watch Guardiola's team. Mourinho's team ? Yeah, i may check the score in my phone once in a while ...
Bellamy hit the nail on the head for every point. Should be on more often.
Pep wasn't in charge when Bayern beat them
Lies!
man utd fan choosing jose...i remembered how they were crying when pep become man city coach.
everybody want pep to be their manager but jealousy cant let them accept it..
I very very good point
3-4years ago, would have said Mourihno. Now will lean slightly towards Pep. My only concern with Pep is, he's never coached a team you don't expect much from to make them the best. Mourihno on the other hand proved himself with Porto, Inter, & Chelsea, who not many expected much from at the time he took over. Manchester City has been winning trophies the last 10years. I want to see what Pep can do with a team like Spurs, AC Milan, Lyon, or even Atletico Madrid. That will let us know if he's indeed the best coach in the world or just the coach that plays the best football
Bellamy talked that Inter had the championship by Christmas and had to focus on UCL.....So why didn't Bayern with Pep??
Pep won the treble and the CL with Barca.Mourinho never even reached the CL final with Real Madrid and look how many CL Real won after Mourinho left.And look how Ancelloti struggled at Bayern which supposedly was the easiest job.
As if Mourinho didn't win the treble with Inter Milan. Guardiola is Barcelona manager.
Carlo Ancelloti did just as bad a job as him you dumb ass
Jose won CL with Porto and treble with inter. More impressive. Pep could not win CL with Bayern at their prime! Also all German honours should not count as bundesliga is a joke 1 team monopoly league
Mourinho won the treble with Inter and a Cl with Porto both of which are far more impressive than leading a star-studded Barcelona side with arguably the best player ever to a treble! Furthermore, who do you think set up that team for Anchelloti? You're deluded. Anchelloti won the league with Bayern and went to the semi which is exactly what Pep did and Heynckes has them playing far better than Pep did
Ritesh Thapa pep managed Bayern at the peak of their powers. Stop being so blind and deceived by Peps fakeness. Open your eyes
The only thing I'm wondering is how's Pep still alive, he's been up the pundits's a$$ for a year, how is he still breathing?!
Jose has proven himself everywhere he went and he can work what any squad and make it successful. Pep on the other hand, unless he has the best of the best, he won't do much. This is shown in Bayern and City last year.
Elleon Ken did mourinho win the champions league at madrid? How many times has he been sacked? You fail to mention mourinhos lows but only peps hmm I wonder why
+Jay Dot. I'm just doing my part, these pundits always talk about Pep as if he can't do nothing wrong. You can mention Jose's lows and I will mention Pep's, that's football. If you're talking about sacking, then why did Pep leave Bayern?! It's simple, he realized he can't win UCL there and just dominating in the league is nothing new to Bayern, so he decided to leave before getting sacked and go to a place where he can spend 50mil on defenders.
Now that they got their old manager back, I'd love to see Bayern vs City in this year UCL, and I assure you that Pep will loose this match.
I thoroughly disagree with you having the best players does not mean you'll get success year in year out , Ancelloti was sacked FFS, and Tbh he needs certain type of players to play in his system i surely can't see him doing with Zabaleta, Hart etc and he had to spend 50 Mil because Spurs were playing hardball. Today's Football market is an Inflationary one where even an average player would cost you more. Bayern sign managers on a 3 or 4 year basis if i'm not wrong and his contract wasn't renewed because we didn't win the CL as a Die Roten fan i have no regrets he improved the players and the team as a whole while he was there and i'm glad that Heynckes is back i think we're the underdogs if we get pitted against City.
Jose Mourinho is a great manager
Hypothetical question: who would win more titles and cups with an average squad of players? For me Mourinho all day long - he knows how to grind out 1:0 wins, “Finals are not for playing, they are for winning,” said Mourinho pretty much sums up all... He knows what it takes to win and he is going to do whatever it takes and can do it with lesser teams... For me, I cannot imagine Guardiola taking Inter Milan with a squad that Mourinho had to the finals let alone to win the whole thing... Here is Mourinho's eleven from 2010 Champions league final: Cesar, Maicon, Lucio, Samuel, Chivu, Zanetti, Sneijder, Cambiasso, Eto'o, Milito, Pandev
can you tell me what happened to "stars" like Pandev, Chivu or Milito after he left? Did Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munchen and others try to sign them? No because they were not the best players in the world....
Pep is master class. Mourinho is crazy.
Both are great.
This question is just very skewed towards the manager that plays attacking football. It's like asking who they think is better: an architect or an engineer. Sure the architect paints the pretty pictures, but the engineer gets the job done and does the nitty gritty. For me Mourinho is serial winner. And that's what makes a great manager. At the end of the day 3 points is 3 points. And Mourinho knows how to get those points... Consistently....
Also, I don't see why people are praising Pep Guardiolla as if, man-for-man, City haven't had the best squad in the league for the past 4/5 years. All theyre doing is living up to your potential 👏👏. I'm not deluded I know Pep is a great manager, but Mourinho is a different level
exactly, could pep win the title with united of 2013 or win the europa league with utd of last year or cl with a team like porto and inter???? With all the players he had last season mourinho still won more than pep domestically and internationally!!!
I think they are both overrated. First of all, we need to get straight here the difference between Coach and Manager because I don't believe they are the same thing. A coach is like a teacher, someone in charge of the training of a person (athlete) or a team. A manager, someone who controls the resources and the expenditures for the betterment of the organization. As coaches, I don't think they are that great because they are really not teaching any of these player how to play football, maybe Guardiola a bit, but Mou? No player really improves his abilities under Mou. Mou teams play terribly, they are a waste of talent, no design plays from training. When I see a Mou team plays, I don't see anything from training; in that respect, Pep wins because his teams do things that have been practiced in training and you see the work, however, he still works with the best. As managers, they are ok because they manage the resources at their disposal to achieve success and I think in this department, they are equal because they are both winners.
He couldn't because he has a VERY different style of play as it was said in the video and for Pep's style to work he needs a certain type of player, obviously it wouldn't work with players like Hart, Zabaleta etc and pep was playing the CL, EL is nowhere near that level.
Pellegrini took a less good City team to UCL semifinal.. Pep not yet
actually, in spite of all the negative comments, in spite of these 2 lads' reasonably successful carriers, but often unintelligent outbursts on & off the pitch, both of' em show great maturity, good reasoning & perception in expressing their opinions
This is how people should argue and make comparisons. Genus.
It's like CRonaldo (Jose) vs Messi (Pep).
90% of people with no bias choose Messi (Pep) without hesitation.
MVW both have ballon dors what has pep done that mourinho hasn’t other than winning six trophies in a season
I prefer Mou. I like a coach that is adaptive. It's the same reason I don't like Klopp. I
You are so wrong .. if anything Jose is more like Messi but u can’t even compare players to managers ... get off CZcams please
MVW OK barka boy
I choose Messi and jose. like who the fuck is pep.
Mourinho doesn't develop players at all ,only wins with better players
Guardiola develops players
Messi had not won the Ballon'dor before Pep had joined Barcelona,he improved Messi as well
Under Pep ,Messi won 4 Ballon'dor
Without Pep,only 1
how many times does ya'll have to comment this? I prefer Pep
But no, Messi made Pep a good manager and he helped Messi become what he is, but that's because he has the talent for it. Messi didn't win the ballon d'or because of Pep. He won because he's that good.
Who plays more attractive football? Personally I find Pep's football mechanical and lacking character, but most people disagree, so we can give this one to Pep. Who plays more effective football? No contest here. Jose is the most effective manager in the world. Pep isn't even in the running. He underachieved with Barcelona when they had the best team of all time. He took Bayern backwards.
14 trophies in 4 years at Barca, an underachievement... Lol. You're a lunatic.
Well said Craig top man..
I'm a die hard United fan, but Pep miles ahead better than Jose. That's a reality.
ray ban lol
Tell me how pep is better?
Pep won with Barcelona and bayern. Mourinho Porto and Inter...
You dreaming bro
J-M is the master
Master of what?!
Parking the bus or playing conservative football?!
They are both great coaches that achieve their results in different ways but peps style is brilliant,fascinating and it requires alot of hardwork
Jose made Rojo, Jones, Smalling, Lingard, Fellaini into vital players... while all of those 5 I wanted to leave instant when José came in. All I have to say.
Because Rojo plays Tennis...Rojo is better than any of the City centre backs.
explain how those players do anything
Made Rojo? Rojo had already played three final as established Argentine International; he had a great 2014 World Cup. All Mou did was put him on the bench and killed his game.
I wouldn't say Smalling is vital, hes our 4th best centre back, Rojo with full match sharpness and form is better than pretty much any of city's centre backs except maybe Kompany, I don't know how good Kompany is these days.
What are you talking about, Rojo did improve under Mourinho, he was already a good centre back but under Mourinho he now plays with a little more discipline and composure, and hes a bit less rash and reckless, under Mourinho Rojo finally was for the first time in his career able to play at centre back, his best position for Argentina, before Mourinho came Rojo played left back for Argentina. Hes not a very good left back but hes a great centre back.
People who comment about Oh Pep had Messi should really look at their life choices. When Pep took over, Ronaldinho was at the peak of his powers. Pep replaced him, making Messi the focal point of Barcelona's attack. Was Messi the GOAT at that point? No, he was a BRILLIANT PROSPECT but not the finished article. Pep turned him into the GOAT. It's brilliant how people conveniently forget this point. Nowadays, when I read the comment "Oh but Pep had Messi" I just move on because you can't argue with idiots. Both Mourinho and Pep are great managers no doubt, both have their qualities and their flaws. Preferring one over the other is just how you prefer the beautiful game to be played that's it. It's a never ending argument, like Messi vs Ronaldo. For me, I prefer Pep simply because of his willingness to drive on with what he believes in even when the whole world is against him.
Mourinho has proved himself with different clubs. Pep is good but he is a Barcelona manager.
Pep needs tactically brilliant players to fit into his system. Mourinho could do it with an average players and he's proven that as well. Who thought Porto to win the CL ??
CS Desire Would you consider Delph to be tactically brilliant? Everyone ridiculed Sterling, Stones, made fun of Walker, said Sane was a mistake, Ederson not ready for the Premier League. Now all of a sudden they're tactically brilliant? What Mourinho did with Porto was amazing but you can't say Pep wouldn't be able to do that can you? Similarly would Mourinho have won everything with the Barca team? I can't say he could or could not right because it has never happened.
You're aware of what's going around in Man City. I'm pretty sure you must be a Pep fan or a City fan. You must also be quite aware of the fact that City spent 221.5 million euros in the summer on players. The biggest spender in Europe.
CS Desire Yes, a fanof both City and Pep. And yes I do know about the spendings. But money alone cannot get you playing at the level that City are at the moment. If it were that simple how come others aren't doing it? That's where Pep comes in.
Mourinho spent all that money last season and finished 6th. Year before he was sacked by Chelsea for their worst ever start and found himself in the bottom half of the table. No comparison here.
Mourinho also won the champions league with Porto and Inter. Pep hasn't won it without Messi. So yes, no comparison
For me,Mourinho is better coz he is more unpredictable than Pep like who would have thought that the clubs with average amount of money and star players like Inter and Porto would win the UCL?
Nick Murphy but still he won trophies in that way.if he focuses too much on playing great against top 6 only,he could end up like LVG mate
Irsyad Asyraf Mohamad ...how much did pep spend when he took the barca job
Lmfao..... you lot plan to park the bus.... 😂😂😂 talk about predictions... wow
@yemmydboss
Barca spend a lot of money, you just dont hear about it. They bought Ronaldinho, Eto'o , Henry, Yaya Toure, Alves. Keita.
People keep thinking their entire squad was built from the youth academy. It wasn't
They even had to buy Pique and Fabregas back
mourinho is good at getting results,motivating and winning trophies but if you want everything perfect i.e. playing attractive football and not disrespecting the opposition etc then pep!
Mujeeb Ahmed Plus Pep doesn’t leave the team in a bad state after his spell
Emanade but Pep inherits title winning teams
KingCantona14 bullshit.
He inherited Barcelona B in crisis. Then he inherited the first team that had won nothing. It is true for Bayern. As for City he inherited a team without a spine. A team that didn't win the league the year all top teams were shit, barely got a shot on target against Madrid over two legs.
Stop being biased. That's like saying wenger is better than Mourinho
KingCantona14 wrong
hi Craig interesting programme, as a coach I have a question here for you,what about if both coaches swap teams,I know that pep will play the same style of football but for Jose I don't know about that.
As a liverpool fan i want to see mourinho stay as manager of man Utd! This is the best comedy ive seen for years ! Thank you jose for replacing the Arsen wenger show
Guardiola created possibly the greatest club team to ever play football from an average team he inherited that finished third in a two horse race in La liga. On the other hand, Mourinho won champions league with lowly Porto and not so great Inter teams. I seriously can't decide who'll go down as better. Their spells in Manchester may be the tiebreaker?
vijay kokate an “average team” 🙃🙃🙃😂😂
They are equal imo, just like CR7 and Messi.
Like Bellamy said,football isnt just stats like you have been programmed to think. Its who will be remembered in 50 years time and style is what people will remember. There is a reason why everyone , even 5 year olds today talk about Maradona and not Rummenighe - Rumenighe won more titles and more world cups but yet everyone remembers Maradona because he CHANGED football as the world knew it.
IN EACH year there will be a Winner but a new style gets introduce once in generations.
I don't know about you but personally I will remember Mourinho for as long as I care about football. He is a very entertaining manager if you agree with his values.
OK
But history says otherwise - people dont remember people who dont contribute anything different and like I said winning is NOTHING different - there are ALWAYS going to be winners EACH and EVERY year. However,changing a dogma(style everyone already knew and use) is what lives on. Rumenighe won Germany 2 world cups but Germans dont remember him today whereas EVERY kid in the world who knows the shape pf a ball would tell you about Maradona. That is because he INTRODUCED something new and different.
Craig Bellamy is on this show all the time get someone better
And he never changes his coat.
Provides great insight.
Donal he’s one of the worst pundits in England
Mourinho has pretty much stopped man united's free fall on his own and has them as a solid team again, Pep inheritied a great squad and spent 500m to upgrade it. Such a 'genius'
Hey man, I don't givve a shit about either of them. But pep is a fraud. Goes to top teams with stacked squads and endless budget. He couldn't rebuild that shitheap at united better than Jose could because he can't work with teams that arent the best.
@@mrwho.4446 (FACT)-mourinho has bought double the players pep has, spent 360mil at united on mid table team and got second. pep has spen over 780 mil on man city when they were already better than united.
This is simple, when Murinho won with Porto and went to Chelsea it was all about him and he destroyed SAF, and every other manager and a team, when Pep won everything with Barca he just became and stayed that coach, nothing else after that for a long time, common
if i were a pro player, id end up a much better player for pep for 5 years, compared to playing for Jose for 5 years.
That is why u r not a player
Both are cheque book managers, but at least mourinho has shown he can win without large amounts of money.
Mourinho isn't a cheque book manager, he won the UEFA Cup and UCL with Porto back to back. I doubt that achievement will ever be replicated by a Portuguese club
It's a very tight question but statically Man City recently have been winning the league every other season !! So it's no surprise there running away with the league , pep was shocking last season gone out and spent ridulous amount of money and is seeing the results what do you expect , mourinho has won champions leagues with Porto and inter and there's no way pep could of done that
Lol that 7-0 agg result against Bayern was during Tito Vilanova time as manager, NOT under Guardiola. People keep making this mistake!
I rather watch attacking fotball in a one of game then bus parking
maybe he parks the bus when he cant buy the best possible players in every position unlike guardiola who went through 3 GK in 2 years
o2xb say that without CRYING
Guardiola, is the best ever, He really is great 👍
He knows his system and he is so clever to play with any team,
He is just amazing 😉 💕 😇 😘 🙏
Three years later still no CL 💯👏
Mourinho's much better.
.Won more trophies.
.Won in Portugal, England, Italy (not at all easy if you are not an Italian Manager) and Spain
.Won 2 Champions League trophies with two clubs that were never good in Europe at the time
.Got UD Leira (a very small Portuguese club now in the second division) to a 5th place finish aka their highest ever finish.
.Defeated a very good Celtic squad under Martin O'Neil in the UEFA Cup Final
.Defeated Sir Alex Ferguson and a great Manchester United squad in the last 16 of the 03-04 Champions League with FC Porto
.Thrashed Didier Deschamps AS Monaco 3-0 in the Final
Came to England and instantly won the Premier League with Chelsea against all odds when Arsenal were the heavy favorites to retain it
.Defended the title the next year. Something only Sir Alex Ferguson did at the time
.Knocked out Pep Guardiola's Barcelona in the Semi Finals of the 09-10 Champions League with a stunning masterclass of defensive, counter-attacking football with a predominantly aging squad
.Easily defeated LVG's Bayern Munich in the Final
.Took big risks with Real Madrid that would pay off in the second season such as dropping Kaka (something almost no Manager at the time would have had the balls to do) for the younger, more talented Ozil.
.Won Real Madrid's first La Liga in four years by a very convincing margin and wrapped up the title at Camp Nou against Pep Guardiola's Barcelona in the second El Classico of the season when Ronaldo scored to make it 1-2.
. Came back to England and with in the second season delivered Chelsea a 4th Premier League title and its first in 5 years
.Won two major trophies last season despite poor League form and a fairly average squad
As for Pep Guardiola supposedly improving more players, here is a list of names Mourinho really improved.
.The entire UD Leira squad that finished 5th the year before he took over FC Porto
.The entire FC Porto squad. He is responsible for the likes of Deco and Carvalho having big names and becoming solid players after that incredible season.
.Didier Droga and Peter Cech. Literally took them both to the next level upon signing them.
.John Terry. Turned him into a solid, consistent defender that is now praised as one of the greatest defenders to ever grace the Premier League
.Frank Lampard. Like what Pep Guardiola did with Messi, made him even better.
.Ashely Cole. Turned him into the best LB with in a season
.Maicon. Turned him into the best fullback in the World.
.Diego Milito. Made him a deadly striker on the counter-attack despite his age.
Wesley Sneijer. Severely improved him and turned him into the best player in the World (should have won the Balon Dor instead of Messi) in just one season when his career like Arjen Robben's was going nowhere at a mediocre Real Madrid.
.Esteban Cambiasso. Turned him into one the best defensive midfielders at the time
.Walter Samuel. Turned him into one the best defenders at the time
.Turned Ozil into a super star at Real Madrid
.Made Xabi Alonso even better than his Liverpool days
.Is responsible for Varane's development into a solid defender
.Turned Sergio Ramos into a solid CB when he had been a RB for most of his career up until that point. Kinda of like Jamie Carragher.
.Got the very best out of Matic and Ivanovic
.Had the balls to give Courtious number 1 GK spot over Peter Cech which payed off and unlike most Chelsea youngsters that get loaned out, didn't fail when he came back
.Revived Cesc Fabregas's career when it was going nowhere at Barcelona
.Is getting the best out of freaking Phil Jones atm and somehow turned him into a solid defender
.Got the very best out of an aging Michael Carrick last season who for some reason most people severely underrated for so long. Even a lot of Manchester United fans never recognised his importance to that club.
.Turned a young Eric Bailey into a solid defender and now easily one the best defenders in the World.
Pep Guardiola is a brilliant Manager but his achievements very simply don't come close to Mourinho nor did he have work any where near as hard for them either.
people say mournhio park the bus well they don't know football . jose's team :
chealse :most goal scored in a season.
porto:most goal scored in a season.
real madrid:most goal scored in the history of la liga in a singal season.
inter milan: most goal scored in a season.
and he still park's the bus.
Mourinho's biggest achievement is being compared to Pep Guardiola!
Hahaha...... Pep cannot win with an average team. Mourinho could do that.
CS Desire And Mourinho cannot win with a good team (Man U and Real Madrid)... Pep can do that.
@@Anton-vr4vy Mourinho won thropies with Man Utd & Real Madrid, what is your point?
Pacifique Music Yeah barely anything worthy other than a league.
@@Anton-vr4vy man utd's terrible
I'd love to play under mourinho cause he can win everywhere and he can win it just fine!
parsa taheri pep hasn’t won everywhere?
I mean mourinho can win with porto but pep can't but pep is fantastic also
Come on mate, Mourinho turned the Galacticos into a squad of cheating brutes - he is anti football and if you believe Mourinho is even on Pep's level then football isn't the sport for you
Nick Murphy get your updates right mate
You must be English - no skills so you dont want anyone asking you to execute anything that requires skills and intelligence. You will just run about kicking anyone and anything in view
Finally an actual debate. A lot former players and media personalities on this debate show just agree with each other. At least in this segment they actually had a debate
ranieri won the so called hardest league in the world with freaking leicester city....people telling jose took porto a nobody club ? really porto is one of the biggest club in portugal....the win the league like every season
Lol imagine if mourinho had messi, peps only won things with messi just like enrique and never won cl at bayern munich
First of all, Pep created Messi.
Second of all, imagine if Mourinho had Cristiano Ronaldo, Kaka, Özil, Benzema, Casillas, Sergio Ramos, Marcelo, Varane, Khedira, Pepe, Xabi Alonso etc.
Mourinho had a world class galactico team and was constantly behind Pep's own Barca.
Lol messi was scoring hatrick in el classico for bants and secondly barca youth system played tiki taka anyways from cruyff so all he had to do was literally nothing lool thirdly did he win anything with bayern, fourth enrique won way more in a shorter period so humble yourself and learn your facts
... and who do you think Messi was nurtured by, taught by and given the time he needed even before Eto'o and Ibrahimovic?
Indeed, Cruyff and Pep both practice total football. Your point? "Barca's youth system played tiki taka anyways from Cryuff" lmao like that has any relevance for the first team.
So? Mourinho's doing nothing with Man U (if you think Europa League is an achievement then that says it all) and did nothing with Real Madrid.
So humble yourself and learn your facts.
God. United fans.
It does have relevance because iniesta pedro messi xavi busquets pique puyol thiago alcantara rafinha all played tiki taka their whole life so pep didnt implement a new system
Mourinho won cl with porto and cl with inter respect him learn your facts 😂
The best managers don't get sacked.
Guardiola is by far better manager and human. Mourinho is a dirty, machiavellian charlatan and a stain on the game.
Mourinho is the special one
Mourinho is the best, he went to Spain with an extremely talented Barcelona and disrupted it by winning La Liga with the most amount of points and goals, when Mourinho becomes defensive its cause the players he has wouldnt give him the firepower he needs, Mourinhos Chelsea was never a defensive team.
Danny Mills went from 9:15 to 9:37 stating exactly why Jose is better than Pep which is very obvious, equally obvious was that Bellamy didn't like that one bit. Man I loved those 20 seconds :)