Twang Files #1. 9 week taster
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- čas přidán 10. 04. 2024
- What has the 'magic' 9 weeks done for these brews.
I also revisit the TwangFiles #2 brew.
I chat about my thoughts so far and going forward with Extractaganza.
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Nice to see u doing the 9 week tasting -100% agree that its a must wait period, if using kits. Also find the Black Rock kits area significant improvement over some of the other kits. Great series -well done
Black Rock are in my experience a superior kit. I’m looking to do more of the Brick Road kits once I work through the few tins I gave here.
Cheers.
Sorry for the essay, but here it is anyway;
Seems to me you’ve established the objectionable flavour is in the malt syrup.
With hopped malt, the hops might be less than ideal, but that’s a different thing.
I think you’ve already brewed with MJ pouches and found the same taste, so probably not related to the packaging.
I have 3 more questions at least
1)Is the age of extract a factor?
2)DME vs LME
3)manufacturing plant/process.
I’ve just discovered there is hopped light dme available under brick road and mangrove jacks brands. That could make an interesting comparison against a fresh (as possible) syrup and an older syrup of the same type.
A 4th question, not directly about ‘twang’, but interesting regarding best practice for extract brewing, is why the boiled kit beer has such poor head retention.
Will be interested to see how the Briess brews turn out. Obviously that’s a different factory as well as different package type.
One of the problems here I think is that ‘twang’ is a slightly vague term that might mean different things to different brewers.
To my way of thinking, it has to be an ingredient or pre-fermentation process issue, because all your process after yeast pitch is the same as your all-grain brews.
I doubt it’s process-related, because you find it’s stronger in some brews than others, and your extract brewing process is always much the same. I know it does vary in some ways but there’s no correlation I can see between your process and the presence of the twang.
So, question 5 is why is it stronger in some extract than others?
Possibly, age related, or factory related.
Coopers and Morgan’s and maybe Woolies I think is made at the same factory ie coopers brewery
Black Rock is made in Dunedin at Speights Brewery
Breiss obviously somewhere else; no idea how many sources they might have.
Anyway, it’s a lot of brews. I might try and test a couple of these ideas myself.
Thanks for the short question Dave.... 1. Age may well be a factor, as well as storage/handling. I am going to try and get a new and older tin of the same extract and see how they compare. 2. I've used LME and DME as fermentables with very little difference, but using upfront I have always lent towards dry malt, I will be visiting this as well. 3. I have no doubt that plant/equipment is a factor, I believe that the Black Rock plant is quite modern, whereas I would not be surprised if Coopers gear is a bit older. Briess I don't know, but they make specialty brewing malts in the US. 4. I think the boiled beer has probably had a lotof extra protiens assocated with head formation boiled out or converted to something else as part of the process, similar to rock'n'roll force carb knocking around head. 5. I'm not entierly sure, but assume the ratio's of ingredients are a factor, as well as differing ages, perhaps the difference across styles in simply age of the extract. Yes, I have no concerns with my process or methods. I make good quality AG beer, I've made good quality kits and bits brews(Amped Up Stout, Strong English Ale, Scottish Ale off the top of my head from Extractaganza have been very drinkable brews.
Thanks for the video. I am looking forward to another tasting. Maybe by luck one of these experiments will be positive. Cheers 😀 👍 🍻
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You need to blindfold yourself and spin around til you're dizzy and fall over and crack your head on something and THEN taste the beer. 😁
for what purpose.... simply entertainment or is their some science involved.
@@littlejohnsbrewing9199 I was just trying to make it a properly blind test, honest. 😉
Thanks Lj good video, i think it's got to do with canning as i get a similar taste when i eat tin fruit.
certainly plays a part.
Idea? Clean out an old tin and lick the inside of the lid? Could be something leaching from the plastic liner inside the tin itself...
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel_and_tin_cans#:~:text=Many%20metal%20food%20cans%20are,cause%20harms%20is%20not%20known.
@@mrfomiatti5515 it could be an issue, though I doubt it where the twang comes from. Futue brews with plastic tubs and pouches may cancel that as an reason.
Cheers Lil John isn't it interesting how the boiled batches have no head... perhaps the isoalpha acids are being depleted in the boiling?.. good on ya keep em coming cheers Mike.
seems to have been an issue, I was always of the belief that force carbing drives out proteins for head stability, very possible that boiling has done the same.
With ur 9 week theory how much time after bottling do you condition the beer at room temperature before conditioning in fridge? Cheers
6-7 weeks at room temp(not too warm) then into the fridge.
I don’t get twang with powdered dry malt extract (byo recipe) berating to just do an lme based beer with a neutral hop for bittering and same yeast
planned for late in the trials..
I used to blame the Pride of Ringwood for my twang....its not a hop i like at all.....
I wonder what hops were used in the woolys kit tins ?
Also my twang is reduced with all my darker Brews
don't think it's directly related to POR, it is possible that POR or a hop extract from POR is usedin the Woolies tins.... certainly would have been at some stage.
I use Pride of Ringwood almost exclusively in my Aussie Sparkling. Last years version used only PoR and took 1st place in the Pale Ale category of the Australian Amateur Brewing Championship.
@@davidhall158 yep I use it in plenty of AG brews with no issues. I like the earthy tones.
@@davidhall158 maybe its just the tinned kit versions that taste rubbish......
Cheers 🍻