Sam Seder vs. Religious Zealot: Should Gays Be Allowed on TV? (FULL Debate)
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- We've been teasing the FULL INTERVIEW with our teaser clips for awhile and now here it is! Sam Seder has his long awaited debate with Austin Ruse of the Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute on whether or not Lesbians should be allowed on TV. It all started with this video: • Lesbians Ruin Cooking ...
This clip from the Majority Report, live M-F at 12 noon EST and via daily podcast at Majority.FM
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We don't want our daughter to accidentally become a decent human being.
Steven Kassulke the caller is a degenerate. He’s selective about what matters in children’s outcomes because he is obsessed with gays.
I bet Steven is good with colours
@@voiskumbeaver3285 what a nothing statement to say. thankyou for ur worthless opinion
I bet Steven knows what he's got in his window-box.
Steven Kassulke so if I had gay friends I would be gay? Most my friends are gay and I am straight.... hmmm... I wonder if being religious and not having the ability to distinguish fantasy from reality has something to do with your concern that people’s ideas can change your sexual preference and identity.
Did this guy say that 80% of teens that come out as gay stop being gay in their 20s?
This is probably the most obvious lie I've ever heard...
Hes projecting, he had gay sex as a teen and wants to normalize it.
Hes clearly not gay anymore.
Oh yeah the gay phase
I feel like 80% of teens nowadays find out they’re at least bisexual by 20
I'm almost 30 and have gotten gayer as I've gotten older
Thats's kinda true, I just realized I was pan all along
Good God….My six year-old son saw two gay men holding hands recently while we drove through a rather large down town area. He asked why they were holding hands. I explained the situation. He said, “Oh, ok,” and that was the end of it. Kids honestly don’t give a shit until stupid parents make a big deal out of something.
That's the point. They don't want them to think of it as normal.
Behind all of his talk and spin, it seems clear to me that this guy is a bigot....
Right? It’s just a point of brain washing their kids…
Exactly. They're naturally curious and ask questions when they don't know. You tell them and they don't care and just ask the next question of something else they see.
I had a gay uncle with AIDS in the eighties. My mom sat me down (I was seven or eight) and explained that he was family, and that's all that matters. She explained the whole thing. He was so cool and a lot of fun. RIP Uncle Bobby.
Imagine being so fragile that seeing a woman put her arm around another woman triggers you.
@@op3129 english please?
@@marciamakesmusic imagine being so scared/unconvinced of your own sexuality that you get angry/scared when you see a woman put her arm around another woman
Yeah I don't get it either. Most christians I know are passionate about stuff that doesn't really matter but don't you dare take my money and give it to people so they can have healthcare.
So weird to me. We see nearly anything in this country being sold using sex appeal, still nearly always within a heterosexual framework.
But some public affection (hell, even *no* public affection) between two people of the same sex is "rubbing it in our faces and forcing it on us, and we're not gonna take it anymore!" It's ridiculous... It's precisely why there are Gay *Pride* Parades that those same people also whine about.
@@miked5814 I will never wrap my head around the healthcare thing with Christian conservatives. It actually leaves me speechless. It might have been that exact issue over which I was arguing or with some "Dems are evil" Christian a few months back. Apparently he had denied that emulating Jesus--in Jesus' love for others through selfless acts--wasn't necessary to be a good, non-hypocritical Christian. Just faith in Jesus matters, whatever the hell that means. No wonder people are leaving the Church...
"Christianity is a choice." That is such a great argument.
He had him cornered the second he brought that up. So satisfying.
You could hear him start squirming too, before eventually coming up with 'The Bill of Rights said so'
@@boxycthulhu3519 Gotta love that response. "My rights are already covered, so we don't need to expand anyone's rights on anything else."
Religious nuts want to control every part of your life that is why I support the separation of church and state
Religion needs to say out of government
I was born gay. As far back as I can remember I was attracted to the same sex. People like this guy have made my life so difficult.
Yeah, people like the caller act like it's a choice that one makes. Who is going around wanting to possibly make their life exponentially more difficult on purpose? Bleh.
And they sound so stuuuupid when they say it's a "lifestyle", like joining a country club or attending raves.
Me too. I'm an always-gay.
I've never even kissed a woman and the thought of having sex with a woman gives me the heeby-jeebies.
Being gay is innate and, for men, immutable. Lesbians are another matter. And, of course, plenty of people are bisexual.
If it were a choice (it absolutely is not), I still wouldn't give a shit. Why do these people always cry about their freedom to make choices, just to turn around and give a shit if someone were to choose to be with the same sex. Their ideology is riddled with hypocrisy, and frankly, idiocy.
@Dr_JSH Wait, why do you think being gay for men is immutable, but it's different for lesbians?
I was 8 or 9 years old when I first heard the word "gay" and saw gay people on TV.
I asked my parents what gay meant and they simply said " you know how we love each other? Well, gay is the same thing except it's two boys or two girls instead"
And that was it. It didn't shatter my brain, it didn't confuse me. I understood, immediately.
And now I'm not a homophobic bigot and I'm so thankful for that.
It’s really so simple, isn’t it? Until these insane, hate-filled bigots stir up hate and raise their spawn to be insane, hate-filled bigots, it is all so simple.
@Jennifer Fraychineaud yeah, it makes me feel bad sometimes because I wonder how much of someone's homophobia is just conditioning.
But at the end of the day, my empathy lies with the marginalized, my hope for change lies with the marginalizer
😂
that's kind of the point, right? if you don't understand the concept of being gay until later in life then you're more likely to reject it as something unfamiliar than actually evaluating it rationally
@@shea42 exactly
I love it when he says that single mothers should not get some tax benefits on account that children are more successful if they are raised by both parents. So, in order to punish these wayward sinful women he has no compunction on cutting the income of already disadvantaged children. I don't think this guy is _that_ concerned about the well-being of children _at all_ .
Christians as a whole have never struck me as caring about others. They have their book, which they routinely use to beat people with (metaphorically) who don’t fit their little box (especially women). So, here is this christian man, who basically says that single parents are losers, showing the true colours of what christianity is. Follow MY rules, in a book written exclusively by men, for men, hundreds if not thousands years AFTER the events they believe so willingly, who believe that a woman had to be a virgin to be considered worthy enough to have the child of god. Here is this man going on and on about marriage and having children who literally believes that the “mother” of their saviour was untouched by sex. He also has no room in his heart if he believes that women should be punished for whatever “sin” has left them single parents. I wonder how he feels if a parent suddenly finds themselves single parents due to the tragedy of their partner dying. Is there a just punishment in his book for those families? And are those children going to, somehow, become less of a person? And people wonder why I despise religion
Honestly what a psycho 🤣
Not once did he show acknowledgement or empathy to widows and widowers.
@@Badartist888 as someone who became a widow in my early 30s with two young children, it always astounds me how so many christians like Ruse are willing to throw me and my kids under the bus just to punish women who dare have consensual sex without their permission, get pregnant and birth those children rather than have an abortion. Yet at the same time they want to ban abortions AND contraception so that women who are raped or have consensual sex without their permission are forced to remain pregnant, give birth to those children and raise them in single parent homes where they MUST be forced to live lives of poverty and disadvantage so that the kids fail at life.
Their moral stance sounds contradictory but it makes perfect sense when you realise it has nothing to do with concern for or protecting children and that kids are merely a tool used to punish women.
The children of single mothers will be less successful so we need to give them less money so they have even less chance of succeeding. You have to admire the twisted "logic".
That part about not giving tax benefits to single parents was disgusting and cruel. Not only that but isn't it like throwing another obstacle for single parents on top of being single that straight non-single parents don't have to deal with on top of being part of having two parents they get a bonus for that? While the single parent has to suffer alone financially with out a bonus to help them out?
Seriously these Religious zealots are all about suffering and punishing people needlessly.
It's also assuming that all single parents are the result of divorce. Austin Ruse would like to penalize parents who have been widowed, to further his agenda.
It seems like he was just coming up with anything he could at that point since he didnt want to tell the actual truth about why he has these views. You can hear him walk it back right after, talking about how society reveres single mothers (for some reason, even though theyve clearly been slutting it up!)
Because it installs another hierarchy that he's higher than others on. That's literally the only thing the chuds care about
christians want to keep their special privileges no matter who it hurts.
in fact, hurting people is what christianity is all about and always has been.
Nevermind the obvious assumption that single parents are all single for to bad life choices like teenage pregnancy or whatever when plenty are widowed or something like that.
"I wouldn't use the term illegal but I don't think gay marriage should be allowed" LOL
Republicans are really ramping up the newspeak. "I'm not saying it should be illegal, just it shouldn't be allowed".
"We're not banning books, we're just not allowing them in school or public libraries"
"The parts don't fit" - Caller in regards to gay relationships
As a lesbian, I can confirm there are parts that fit. Some of them you can even take on and off at will!
Conservatives don't know there's ways to have sex that aren't missionary penetration
Awesome post!🙂
And, replaceable! Options. Even better!
Sam, this gay man would like to thank you for bearing the torch defending my rights with this clearly ignorant man. In addition, I have to commend your patience in dealing with his outright ignorance; more power to you. I can't help but wonder why he finds your being Jewish, and your instilling Jewish traditions in your children, so hilarious. I want to end my comments with my observation, while listening to Austin Ruse, regarding his style of expressing himself. He sounds remarkably like Marcus Bachmann, if you catch my drift. My thoughts are echoed by the comment immediately before mine, by Jonathan Seale. In a nutshell, Mr. Ruse sounds as gay as a spring frock, or three cans of pink paint. Please give us an update when you hear that he's been caught on his knees in an airport men's room with a hustler named Lance.
(As I'm typing, Ruse is making his proclamations regarding alleged "morality". Can I assume that Ruse is aware that in heterosexual unions, practices such as fellatio, cunnilingus, and anal sex occur on a daily basis? And is he aware that these practices are now legal, and do not lead to procreation? )
Applause, love and support from a straight ally.
“gay as a spring frock, or three cans of pink paint” was the comic relief that I needed after listening to this man digging a deep hole with his unswerving bigotry. Thank you for making me laugh, more than I’ve ever laughed reading comments. I, too, would like an update on this guy.
The Catholic Church considers the activities you described to be sinful. So, no, no logical break.
Hope you're doing well Rafael, fuck these kind of people, I'm straight but it's dumbfounding as to why people walk around with a stick up their ass over this. Who cares.
It's different to plain old ignorance, its indoctrination.
"WE, that is to say heterosexuals,"
Sure it is.
my gaydar went off as soon as he spoke
I don't know what you guys are talking about, I address groups of people like that all the time
A total ‘Crowder’
@@icemeoutlikeelsa lmao mine too
estebancomulet It's even more pronounced than that. I've just done the calculation, and he works out at 1.15 Crowders - or 0.75 Haggards, for those still using the old system
Half the men in the bible have more than 1 wife, so why isn't polygamy legal?
Let me guess, let me guess!
humm........ ok I think I know this one : "Because the Bible is a (very mediocre) ass-wiping device and nothing more."
Havent you heard of that one guy that totes talked to God?
@@toshir0m1 Wow you're right, that thin paper is perfect for that! I bet it flushes just fine too!
@@luna-p Yeah, I think we can agree that sometimes practicality has to take a step down for symbolism ;-)
toshir0m1 I take exception to that! What you said was offensive and totally out of order!
It depends on the publisher and type of paper used!
Many a dirty arse has been saved by the Lord's word over the years; probably the most amount of good it's ever done
My gay son wants to raise children. I support him, 100%. He'll be an amazing father.
Props to you! God views you well.
Wow, it’s been 2 years since you made this comment. Just curious, has there been any updates?
@@jeffsmith9420 Yeah but how do you think your god views his son? roflmao
@@XXCoeusXX if their is a god. I don't think it cares if hese gay, as long as hese a decent person, as long as he respects and values other people I think God loves him.
@@saphired02 Let's hope that if there is one, he's as nice as you have portrayed him.
*Afterthought* : Ah, so your either agnostic (atheist cop-out) or you believe in a god, but not a religion (ignorance based faith). "Because if all the cool kids believe in a god, there must be one, I just haven't chosen which one I identify with".
As all atheists (should) know, the god you believe in is just an extension of yourself. You seem like a nice guy though.
Religious bigotry at its finest. The logical fallacy of the caller is just painful to listen to.
It's funny how it took him the entire segment to come out and say that he just believed that gay marriage is morally wrong.
So in essence, everything else he was saying was just a way to justify his own belief without actually admitting to a deep rooted idea of it being just wrong on a religious basis, which by definition would be illogical on an objective point of view.
Keeping your children ignorant is a full time job.
Austin is going to a lot of trouble to convince himself he isn't gay
He's 100% gay.
Sexuality is so flexible !!!!
Definitely going around the long way
God forbid you have to actually have a conversation with your child about how the world works and how to be a tolerant person!
"You're raising your kid Jewish? Ahhhhhh, no kidding. Good for you~~~"
"No Christmas trees? Seriously?? That's hilarious!!"
"Hey what's so funny about me saying I think most family problems in America are caused by straight people instead of gays but that doesn't mean gays should be allowed to get married? Who's laughing back there??"
This guy, is unbelievable.
And I thought Sam's Libertarian callers went through logical contortions.
It seems religious people do not understand or like the concept of freedom. I just don't understand why they always seek to impose their own standard uniformly on the rest of society; its a bit like me saying "i really like blue marbles therefore the only marbles that are allowed are blue" well why? if YOU only like blue marbles then only buy blue marbles, why try and restrict everyone else just based on your preference?
Richard Watson YES!
You damage the legitimacy of marbles when you advocate for other colors, immoral colors. Besides, red marbles would be TERRIBLE parents.
Austin: Marriage is supposed to be about procreation, with a few exceptions.
Me: Why can't gay marriage be one of the exceptions?
When your kids are exposed to the real world, they don’t need an explanation for love. My kids were more mature at 4 than this dude is a grown man
So in other words.
"We need time to indoctrinate our children to belive what we Want them to believe, so we shield them from any other thought."
Yeah, sounds about right.
Thought control is all they can think of
You act like this isn't how the world works and has always worked and will always work. Everyone does this, what do you think the point of this radio show is? We're all trying to indoctrinate others with our ways of thinking, it's literally human nature.
@Trevor Horton literally every child on Earth who was raised has been indoctrinated. This is how humans work. We are born knowing nothing, not even how to speak. Language is the basis of thought, you think in terms of language. How do babies learn to speak? They're taught to speak by other people who impart their own understanding of the world onto that baby. So yes, every single person is indoctrinated. The question is by whom were they indoctrinated.
@@yazzyyazyaz I guess that depends on how you define indoctrination.
@Trevor Horton the only difference is indoctrination teaches you in a way that lacks critical thinking. Doesn't sound too different from education in America to be completely honest. If you think critical thinking is part of our education in schools today then fuck off you clearly have no clue what's going on in the real world.
Only took 45 minutes of dancing around an indefensible position for him to finally have the balls to be honest and admit try even less defensible justification we all knew he employs in his head. ThTs why you're a bigot, Austin, because you want to limit the rights of another because your interpretation of your special book tells you to.
Allow me to translate his arguement.
"This isn't fair. I wanted to get married and be a parent but I had to pretend to be straight. Now, all of the sudden, people get to be gay and get married and have kids. Why should they get to be gay and happy while I'm so deep in the closet, you can smell the mothballs when i fart?"
Him and Pence would hit it off.
They'd have to ask their mothers first.
You hit the nail on the head
He really does come off as closeted.
My Gay uncle who is married specifically doesn’t want to have children because he doesn’t want them to suffer from discrimination
You're against gay marriage? Fine then don't get gay married, simple as that!
Also, I wish Sam had brought up the fact that there are so many children (438,000 on any given day) in the foster care system that would love to have ANY combination of parents or parent rather than being raised in the system. I think any reasonable human being would recognize same sex parents are better than being in limbo in the foster care system.
I'm still waiting on him advocating for forced adoption so that all the children can be raised by straight, married couples..
The foster care (sic) system is no limbo, it's genuine Hell. Through the flaming gates, first furnace on the right.
@@Fake.plastic.guy. well it's definitely flawed. Have personal experience? And all the homes that a ayable Gay couple could supply, but are denied as not being a one man one woman household, or any single individual of any sexuality....meanwhile NY nieces and nephews kill themselves in a one third ratio and all the ones thrown out by the God fearing families...
I tried to talk to my 6-year-old daughter about gay marriage. I said, "You know how Lisa has two dads and Matteo has two dads? Their parents are married just like your mommy and I are married. They're in love like mommy and I are in love." She was coloring at the time. When I'd finished she kept coloring for a bit then dropped her crayon and said, "You're all in love. Blah blah blah. Boring. Can I go outside and play?" I guess she taught me a lesson that day.
Kids are only judgemental when they are taught to be judgemental.
There is a funny Jimmy Kimmel bit about kids explaining gay marriage.
one of the worst things that happened to me growing up was getting shielded from homosexuality. i have several gay friends, but i kept saying weirdass stuff to them. then, i tried to be more careful with what i say, which leads to me being way too silent.
if i ever have kids, i want them to know gay and lesbian adults, so they never struggle with what i can only describe as some kind of disability in social behavior.
What kind of weird stuff? Like, inappropriate questions, off-color jokes, or what?
"A term I don't accept in that situation." Who cares whether you 'accept' it or not. Those women are married whether you like it or not. The only reason children get 'confused' about LGBT issues is because people like this caller insist on telling them anything negative about people like the couple on this show they discussed, based upon falsehoods I might add.
And while I am glad Sam is taking the stand he is taking, this is just another example of why I don't do talk radio or cable news...anyone with an uninformed idea can get on the air and can attempt to talk over others while making no sense at all. "I don't know about what I believe, nor do I know why I believe it, but I will be heard and you will not."
I had two mothers and two grandpas who were basically my father figures. How is that not ok?
The pope does not approve; That is how that is not ok.
Corpse Party Should be fair to most Catholics. I am no longer a believer but most Cattholics I know are cafeteria Catholics. Very few take seriously marching orders from the Vatican although this caller probably does.
Peter McLoughlin
I was not aware that most Catholics are the pope. I was under the impression there was only 1 pope at a time. Huh.
Vatican is the institution I didn't say pope. but yes I am aware there is one pope at a time and they have been a succession of them .what is your point.
Peter McLoughlin
That the pope does not approve.
Amazing how so many children in the Catholic Church get to know, against their will about sexual abuse by priests.
6 years later... why I will keep listening to Sam and support this channel.
Daughter: Did she say "wife"?
Parents: I think she said "life".
Also parents: Our daughter isn't ready for that conversation.
THE DAUGHTER LITERALLY NOTICED IT. SHE'S READY. IF SHE WAS TOO YOUNG SHE WOULDN'T HAVE NOTICED IT. Lying to her and shielding her from reality is only going to create more of a shock to her down the road.
Yes. Isn't it ironic that Mr. Super Catholic preferred to violate one of his cherished 10 Commandments (I'm sure he cherishes them, at least would claim to do so!) rather than "reveal" the existence of gay folks to his daughter.
I was about to say that I feel sorry for his daughter but given the release date of this clip, she must now be 17 or 18; guess she's heard of gay people by now. (Hell, she might be a lesbian herself!)
I hope she managed to escape some of the brainwashing she doubtlessly received in her parents' household.
Does the caller think 80 year olds have no right to marry since they are neither procreating nor raising their own young children?
How about sterile/barren spouses?
Austin: Gay marriage redefines marriage for everybody!
Sam: What about women being chattel in the past and now that's not the definition of marriage anymore?
Austin: Sure, that's a redefinition but not about gay folks.
So, it's not the redefining he has a problem with after all. Gosh, it's almost like these arguments are constructed ad hoc or something.
His daughter is now 15. I wonder what she has to say about this
She's 17 now. She probably despises them
This dude is like Jim Carrey in Liar Liar when it comes to are gay people better than single parents
"I OBJECT!"
"On what grounds?"
"IT IS DEVESTATING TO MY CASE!"
Bottom line...this guy wants the government to to adhere and write law following his church's and personal bigoted beliefs.
He needs to read and understand the bill of rights.
@@MikelRobinson 5 years old but still, this is a lie lol. 2004 gay marriage had 60% for vs 31% against, 2018 was 67% for vs 30% against.
And the first amendment's establishment of religion clause
Yeah, from the first second I heard his voice, it was absolutely clear what his problem is with homosexuality. The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
Its almost been 10 years and the religious argument has been debunked 😂
I wish religious people would be honest and simply admit that they do not want secular society to continue along an evolving path which is at odds with church law because it is too hard to maintain the faith/recruit believers/be relevant when church goers realise they are a minority, culturally different from the mainstream.
The church would probably not become as quickly irrelevant as it is if these people actually lived Jesus's words. From a child to a young adult, all I saw was hypocrisy in our church. I'm more of a Buddhist than anything else now.
Translation for those who don't speak bullshit: I'm a bigot. I want my children to grow up to be bigots just like me. I must shield them from any reality that will interfere with my hate.
Mikel Robinson I'd be grateful if you included some reasons for your diagnosis of idiocy. But since you're probably a superstitious bigot like the tool in the video, reason might just be beyond your reach. But, by all means, give it a try... if you can.
Mikel Robinson But many marriages are between a man and a woman. Most of them are. Marriage is a legal contract in our secular country, sugar britches, so denying the right to enter into a contract to any group of people is unconstitutional. See the 4th amendment.
Mikel Robinson Gay people who have been attacked by gay bashers might disagree.
cobinizer You are correct and that hat is the way the supreme court ruled, nailed it except it turns out the 14th did the job. In any case it is done.
"Idiocy to me is the hyperbolic labeling that all of you morons have been throwing around like green beads on st pattys day. you should proof-read yourself and think, "do I sound like a closed minded generation y-er or am I really as bright as I think I am?" "
You really have the flame-thrower out for this little issue of yours. Saying that bigotry is bigotry is just recognizing what it is. It's a totally unnecessary dichotomy, 'instead of' being concerned with these to you more important concerns. Well, when we have hatred that's so intense and people that act on it with such energy that it creates the situation, which is reality. of people suiciding because life is untenable, a sober and reflective person recognizes a real issue and speaks to it.
You have a terrible disposition towards people which is dissonant with your high-flying rhetoric. Sure, governments in debt is bigger than people suffering behind terrible bigotry. You're a great posturing boor.
You'd slap someone because of your twisted characterization of their understanding. What a guy. F.O.
I really tried to listen to this objectively, but when your guest started conjecturing that sexual orientation is a choice, that got to be too much for me.
And then he refused to delve into the fact that religion is a choice also, and by the same logic it should receive no additional rights because it is not innate. His argument was "well, it is in the Bill of Rights." In other words, because people in the 18th century though it best to happen to single out religion as getting special privileges, the law shouldn't today, in the 21st century, be re-codified to include things that apply more openly to our civil rights. His only argument is "it's tradition." Meanwhile, "traditional marriage" between 1 man and 1 woman has only been the accepted tradition for a few hundred years.
When my mom told me that same sex people can sometimes fall in love and get married I was about eight years old and I thought that was awesome because I could have my best friend (who is still my best friend now 25 years later) as a life partner. Later when I came to understand my sexuality and that I had none of those feelings toward him I was able to understand my true feelings on the issue as it pertained to me. My point is that we shouldn't prevent ourselves from trusting children with information. They might misinterpret it, but it will inform their perceptions of reality as they mature mentally and gain access to more and more information. It also stimulates their curiosity which is extremely important for their intellectual development. I'm not sure that I would even hide the reality of school shootings from my children. I would make them understand how unlikely they are to be involved in such a thing, but I wouldn't hide that from them. Their knowledge of such things could even give them perception on the warning signs to look for in their peers so that they could play a role in preventing such a thing from happening. That would be obviously much more of a positive outcome than hiding the truth from them.
This video def. did not age well for Austin Ruse. His "it will never happen" response to avoid answering a hypothetical question is pretty dead in 2021.
Sam should have him back on to ask the question again now that it's no longer a hypothetical.
We can't, it hasn't been 10 years yet. Lets wait another 3 till the point is even more dead and laughable.
You don't need 3 more years. The dialog was it will "NEVER" happened. It's already happened. Nothing more to wait 3 more years for.
I mean it was already laughable in 2014, but sure why not? I was just giving him that 10 exact years he asked for
i like when Sam pointed out we have laws against discrimination based on religion which is not immutable. thats called bringing the hammer down. as if that's even needed. all these jagoffs never had an argument. thank God this conservative supreme Court finally ended this question. now to get nondiscrimination across the board. I'm straight not that it matters. discrimination against gays is so ignorant and indicative of America struggling to get out of the dark ages. on a related note, thanks a lot religion...
This gay man thanks you for your enlightened attitude, Brendan.
Brendan McCaffery I agree with most of what you said minus the "thank god" part.
@@atheistmecca971 its ingrained, and very hard to not use as its common vernacular, don't nitpick, its annoying.
@@LucianCorrvinus Get over it and stop saying it.
The government supports marriage not for procreation but because it fosters the creation of stable households that contribute to a stable society as well as the fact that stable households provide resources for the care of children, indigents, the elderly and the infirm thereby lessening the state's burden (i.e., the burden of the taxpayers) for caring for those people. As society increasingly accepts that gay marriages contribute to societal stability at least as much as heterosexual marriages, preventing gay civil marriages is not in the interest of the state itself.
^^ this is the comment I was looking for.
Marriage is a contract. It's not favored as to shore up society, that is your own agenda talking, But thanks for your stance on Human and American rights that you didn't have to fight to participate in...
LucianCorrvinous Son of Hekaté from the government’s perspective it is. Stable homes need less social welfare. Also we’re all fighting to keep it expand human rights in our own way.
"we hetrosexuals" said no straight person ever.
Closet vibes.
Listening to this for the first time in 2020 and it's incredible how the goalposts have moved since then.
"...seriously no Christmas trees? That's hilarious. I mean, that's great." Best part of this debate haha.
If I were Sam, I would have pushed him on that one!
Wow a Jewish person without a Christmas tree? How novel and quaint.
Close, but just before that at 38:20 was my favorite.
It was so sad to hear all of his insecurities come out in that evil laughter.
So fake
This guy (the guest) is obviously out cruising for dudes in parks and dying shopping malls.
The gaydar is picking up a strong signal here.... Very strong...
35:30 "There is no sense that same-sex attraction is genetic, therefore it's not immutable." Something being genetic doesn't tell you if it's permanent.
If genetically I have bad eyesight, and I get laser eye surgery, the bad eyesight is permanently gone. If I only know one language by the time I'm 40, I'll only speak one language without an accent.
Thomas Long I write and pretty well do everything with my left hand. There is no gene that makes one left-handed, so obviously I made a choice to be left-handed. That's exactly what this guy is saying, right?
Rights are rights. Liberty means having the freedom to choose. Since when does something have to be immutable to be a right? Free speech is a choice, religion is a choice. These things are protected by the Constitution.
Dude there ARE tax breaks for married parents. Also, funny how religious people come back to "we want the government to subsidise our lifestyle choices."
I love it.
"Oh no, I do think you're a bigot" about 32 minutes in!
I love how his justification was “yeah we don’t think our daughter is ready to see gay people existing in real life. There’s a battle between teaching your kids your hateful values and what’s right.”
“Let’s check back in 10 years and if there’s data that shows that two-parent gay households have better outcomes than single mothers. It will never happen. The data won’t exist.”
Let’s have this guy on again
How has Sam's brain not melted after dealing with these people for some many years???
Its the same battle over and over again. Religion vs Progression. And one side always wins. Progression. When will they ever learn.
MamisNovaClass they'll never learn
Unfortunately they manage to slow down progression quite a bit.
But they get to have long periods of oppressing, imprisoning, torturing and killing dissenters. Witch burning was a great time and lots of homosexuals got imprisoned over centuries. They can now move onto trans oppression and making working class women who need an abortion suffer.
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only when religion is entirely gone can we actually all live like normal people without some looming cult.
I'm an old gay. A lot of gay couples our age wanted children but opted not to parent bc the state could very easily remove children from their home.
When callers start doing that laugh... you know, that weird laugh- they already know they lost the debate. They fell into the Sam Seder trap.
Man it is so funny looking back at how wrong this guy was about so many things. Even funnier that it hasn't even been a decade. I would love to see sam have another discussion with him now.
This one is so hilarious. The zealot keeps raising secondary points to bolster his point and then refuses to defend them in challenge and in fact pretends like it's a non issue and a challenge to his supporting points is going off topic.
This guy is in the closet...atleast sounds like it
I see hes Catholic...says it all
he's clearly gay
The Roman Catholic Church in America is a hotbed of gay men who don't have the courage to come out of their closets.
Rafael Storm it's called hiding behind religion.
That's usually who spouts off about it all the time. It's a war within themselves that they find the need to say out loud.
Sam only gets hotter as he ages. It's inspiring.
Wow. Why are so many religious people jerks? My husband died when I was 23 and my son was 2. This so-called man of God talking to Sam thinks I should have been punished via tax policy because I was a single parent for most of my child's formative years. Maybe he'll be happy to know that because I chose to prioritize time with my child over a career it has negatively affected my Social Security payments in retirement. That'll teach me!
They have bizarro empathy.
19:25 "Or a surrogate mom... oh my gosh, you are not really in favor of surrogacy, are you, Sam?"
... says someone who believes Jesus was born to a surrogate mom.
ADOPTED children who would have been trapped in the system and are instead rescued and given a happy home also have the best chance at success in life. Most kids considered as least likely to find parents are being adopted by same sex couples every day.
That's very true
it's a simple math issue
at least generally speaking
two people are more economically stable than one person
doesn't mean they don't have more expenses, they do. but tax breaks and more opportunity and flexibility is there
The fact that this caller expresses obvious bigoted beliefs towards gay people while also believing that he is not being bigoted is a great example of the Dunning-Kruger effect on display.
"You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place."
“let’s talk again in 10 years” CALL HIM BACK
I love when Sam debates. It's very intellectually stimulating.
Marital rape wasnt outlawed in all 50 states until 1993. If the right to rape your wife doesn't make her chattel, what does?
Austin: If you say marriage is about love and all that kind of stuff, is there a box you have to check in order to prove that you're in love?
Me: You have to confirm that you will love and cherish the person in sickness and health etc. So, yeah. Meanwhile, there is no request for you to pledge a desire to have children.
I was raised Catholic. Then again I was raised working class by a twice divorced single mother who supports gay rights and who always urged my siblings and I to "do unto others as you would have them do unto you." She also accepts me as trans, so I guess she's a complete monster or something.
Why do I get the sense that this guy is a closeted homosexual. , I mean he talks with a very effeminate voice which kind of gives that impression, but i've known people who were not gay and talk similarly. I just can't imagine someone caring that much about what gay people are doing if you are strait. I feel bad for him, and despise him at the same time. His poor kids.
8 years later, and this debate is still ongoing. Smh
9 years later and that caller is married to a man
Wow, you are absolutely amazing! I could never engage in an almost 50 minute conversation with someone who starts the conversation by expressing his need to brainwash his children during their most susceptible years.
i give it 5 years before he comes out like ted haggert
This guy advocates tax penalties for my mom because her husband died when she had 4 children at home. I mean how does a government encourage her to not have a dead spouse?
Compassion in all its glory.
This is exactly why he hedged again and again. Sometimes one of the parents dies, sometimes one of the parents goes off to war, sometimes one of the parents goes off to jail, sometimes one of the parents gets sick. It is socially unthinkable to punish the remaining parent in these situations, so he makes exceptions for single parents, but punishes same-sex parents because "they aren't even trying to be a straight couple."
Sam should bring this guy back on and hash out the data on it now!
You can tell the more he realizes he's wrong, the more frustrated he becomes.
I'm @ 18:07 but i gotta comment. There is studies that say Gay couples raise very productive children. Even better then straight when compared. I'll be willing to bet that if they happen to be married that number will be the same..
Mikel Robinson *you're
You're and idiot. Correct.
You are an idiot. Correct.
Your an idiot. Incorrect.
+Mark Keller When I say, "your an idiot."
You will never know the difference.
I'm not gonna address your argument cause you made a typo. lol
Fucking weak.
Gay couples cannot have a kid accidentally. They tend to have thought it out and are more prepared to raise children (higher income). Straight couples can have unplanned kids, heck most straight couples I know over 40? That's how they had most of their kids, unplanned.
Also you gotta jump through a lot of hoops to have kids if you're gay, a lot more hoops than straight couples do. One drunken night they forget a condom and boom, here comes a kid.
This is rich…Defending a whole organization that has victimized countless children to sayit’s gay marriage that poses the threat to kids🤦🏻♀️
These older videos don't always have the best outros, but that is the best, punchy outro I heard from them. Loved the debate!
I would argue that an 8yo child being told about same sex relationships would probably come out of the conversation with a healthier view of the subject than that it is a disorder...
How is loving another person...a LACK of values??
Christians of America, please get your act together. Those of you who understand how bigoted and horrible this man is, PLEASE go speak to your local church groups and start a conversation about stopping this hate. Love your neighbor and do not judge. This is your creed. Please, help fix this problem. We need your help. WWJD?
Heath Kitchen I support Christianity! However, I am beside myself with this hate movement within the Christian Faith!! There seem to be two movements (or camps) of the Christian Faith.
One camp seems to;
-condemn that which is not White, heterosexual, and wealthy;
-be Unconcerned about the poor (which contradicts THE BIBLE!),
-FIGHT ONLY the Abortion of WHITE BABIES,
-does not respect women's rights,
-wants to mis-educate the youth,
-celebrates those who FARM and HUNT, but yet is UNCONCERNED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT;
-want to "beatify" the wealthy as saints;
-wants to justify racial, religious, and economic segregation;
-support foreign policies that will most likely result in war and the killing of millions(another BIBLICAL contradiction)
I am sure that this is all VERY CONFUSING to outsiders!
I was 13 when I learned about abortion in school. We learned what it is, the history of it and how not getting safe access impacts women. We also learned about safe sex, masturbation, boundaries and consent, STDs and childbirth.
By the time I was 11, I already knew about periods and sexual reproduction.
I learned these things in school and I was able to ask my mum if I had questions.
My heart goes out to all the gay kids who have religious parents. It's one thing dealing with society's bigotry, but when it comes from your own parents is another thing entirely!
Guy is REPRESSED
“Maybe they just didn’t know how exciting it was.” Comedy gold.
What's funny is that research shows that two parents regardless of those parents sexes, gender identity, or sexual orientation are better for children than single parent house holds.
Actually children of same sex parents appear to have better outcomes than children of heterosexual couples. I think you guys should get this guy on the show now and ask him about that thing he said would never happen has happened. Send him the plethora of research on children being raised by same sex couples.
Hell I'll come on the show. I have my degree in psychology and sociology and I'd love to discuss research findings with this guy.
There are nuances to this research that is a lot to get into in a comment section but I'd love to get into the weeds with this guy.
Imagine coming across this in 2020 and the pope now reconginizes gay marriage
Update: Pope said atheists can go to heaven
At what age do you warn your child about priests?
41:26 "I don't think the Pope is in favor of gay marriage...the church is not going to change on this."
6 years later... The Pope sanctions gay marriage...LOL!!!!!!! This did not age well for this "Vatican connected" caller!!!
Assertion after assertion... after assertion
So has this guy divorced and joined us gay folk yet? The sooner the better for everyone.
I hope his daughter has looked up this video now that she's older and was ashamed of her father