MiSTer Review - Game Sack

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  • čas přidán 10. 05. 2019
  • Episode 247 - The MiSTer is an FPGA-based device that runs cores for many different platforms. It originates from the MiST project which had an initial goal of creating an FPGA version of the Atari ST computer. Curiously, there is no Atari ST core for the MiSTer at the time this video is being released, but I fully expect one in the future. I bought my MiSTer and the add-ons at the appropriately-named www.misteraddons.com and they were extremely helpful in helping me set up my MiSTer and also the making of this video, as was Smokemonster whose channel can be found here - / smokemonster
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Komentáře • 1,7K

  • @djramen
    @djramen Před 5 lety +1092

    Wow, I can't believe Joe replaced Dave with an FPGA-based device that runs cores for many different platforms.

    • @marcosdheleno
      @marcosdheleno Před 5 lety +42

      TOO SOON MAN, TOO SOON.

    • @ninjamaster3453
      @ninjamaster3453 Před 5 lety +12

      I'm ok with this.

    • @nerone1984
      @nerone1984 Před 5 lety +20

      The difference Is not quite as noticable

    • @LloydLadera
      @LloydLadera Před 5 lety +12

      Pretty sure that was Joe in a new 3d printed shell.

    • @makoto4341
      @makoto4341 Před 5 lety +18

      The dave core is slightly off, needs less hair and more weight (j/k).

  • @marakarthegreat
    @marakarthegreat Před 5 lety +446

    even though Dave is gone I am still gonna stick around

    • @rmyancey
      @rmyancey Před 5 lety +11

      Hell yeah. Been here for years and I'm not leaving now.

    • @DaRotWilder
      @DaRotWilder Před 5 lety +4

      Don’t you mean..... sack around 😉

    • @rampart1234
      @rampart1234 Před 5 lety +2

      Dave is gone? I really didn't notice.

    • @marakarthegreat
      @marakarthegreat Před 5 lety +2

      @@rampart1234 BLASPHEMY

    • @dodoubledragon
      @dodoubledragon Před 5 lety +1

      Who's this Dave character ppl are talking about?

  • @ZaPpaul
    @ZaPpaul Před 4 lety +105

    We need an updated mister review, it's come on a long way since this video was made.

    • @nidhoggsvrede
      @nidhoggsvrede Před 3 lety +1

      How does it look now?

    • @blizzard1850
      @blizzard1850 Před 3 lety +3

      Oh, for computers, I forgot to mention: Amstrad PCW and EDSAC! For consoles, I forgot to mention that it now supports Game Boy Color games as well as the Super Game Boy!

    • @notsuoh16Bit
      @notsuoh16Bit Před 3 lety +2

      I fully agree.

    • @kranibal
      @kranibal Před 3 lety +2

      I agree also!

    • @JoypadDivison
      @JoypadDivison Před 3 lety +11

      @@nidhoggsvrede Some of what's happened since the video was uploaded is added support for: Sega CD, Pc Engine CD, Lynx, Atari 7800, Game Gear, GBA, various home computers + Neo Geo, CPS1 and a bunch of standalone arcade cores ... and there's always people working on stuff, CPS2 looks to be released in the near future and X68000 too. And that's just what I can think of.

  • @tazzeboy
    @tazzeboy Před 5 lety +102

    "Currently there is no way to plug in your Sega 3D glasses, so if you want to play a 3D game, you can to straight to hell"
    And there goes my drink flying from my mouth onto my monitor screen, Thanks Joe :D

  • @CaptainStupendous
    @CaptainStupendous Před 5 lety +476

    As long as you keep producing content, you've got a watcher for life.

    • @samghost13
      @samghost13 Před 5 lety

      Life until Death Gamesack is Cool! I am Stoked!

    • @Spolodaface
      @Spolodaface Před 5 lety

      I'm not going to stop watching.
      That said, it would also be cool to see the odd 'guest' episode every now and again - just cause i'd like to see some GameSack collabs (and i'm used to the two-person / back and forth format)

    • @BlueflagAlpha
      @BlueflagAlpha Před 5 lety

      Same here

    • @simplesimonspeaks1115
      @simplesimonspeaks1115 Před 5 lety

      Great Joe. Thnx for your hard work.

    • @vasili1207
      @vasili1207 Před 4 lety

      You have a viewer you mean ... A watcher just sounds creepy like your in a bush outside polishing your rocket...

  • @davebladegun3009
    @davebladegun3009 Před 5 lety +180

    I’m lovin’ it, Joe. This is a damn fine episode of Game Sack.

  • @prufrockrenegade
    @prufrockrenegade Před rokem +7

    Decided to rewatch this to reminisce about just how far things have come for the MiSTer project in the past few years. It would be cool to see you revisit this at some point, maybe to talk about some of the many more cores that have come out since then, the vastly improved video output/scaling options, or just to see how much more accurate some of the cores you already talked about have become these days. Overall the system definitely feels a lot less bare-bones today than it did back in 2019!

  • @dan_loup
    @dan_loup Před 5 lety +20

    The biggest advantage of the FPGA based simulation is the audio delay.
    On software emulators, you have to use the CPU to simulate the audio circuits, and as you can't just write a program that updates the sound card 44100 times per second, you end up having to fill up a buffer, then sending the buffer and swapping etc.. so the sound ends a bit behind the video.

    • @ModernRetroGameplay
      @ModernRetroGameplay Před 2 lety +1

      The solution to sound problems in emulating is simple, add at least 1 extra cpu core more than what you think you need when choosing the hardware so the sound alone can have a whole cpu to its self. (basically don't emulate on anything less than a quad core cpu) Today if you want the most bang for your buck on a real SUPER emulation device buy a laptop with specifically a 4K ready integrated GPU and an 8 core cpu(or 8 logical processors to be specific) like a late model i5cpu is good enough and make sure it has an actual hard drive of some kind in it and that would get you probably 1 step better than most devices in console emulation and it would have the space to fit every game for ever console even CD and DVD based consoles. That would probably be cheaper than an Xbox atm TBH lol. They even have HDMI out and enough usb ports for mutiplayer couch gaming on the go portable and it fits in a "Game Sack" lol so its not a pain to bring it to a friends house and plug it into a big tv. Another trick...... consoles had dedicated SPUs so to emulate that properly its not a good idea to send the sound through the HDMI, sending it anywhere else forces the integrated sound to do the sound processing giving it its own bandwidth on a separate processor like it should instead of making a GPU do the work of an SPU.

    • @dan_loup
      @dan_loup Před 2 lety

      @@ModernRetroGameplay You could indeed do that, but the OS might still interrupt it. But we're talking 20-30ms of audio delay nowadays if you use something like retroarch and configure it by hand, which is like 1-2 frames away.

  • @swoods08
    @swoods08 Před 5 lety +219

    Feels weird without him but you are still very informative!

    • @anasevi9456
      @anasevi9456 Před 5 lety +16

      same, but honestly if one had to go glad it was Dave... nothing against Dave; just he was clearly elsewhere for a while. As a parent i know that; 'this is my passion but life is eating me alive' feeling all too well.

    • @theflyingninja1
      @theflyingninja1 Před 5 lety +1

      @@anasevi9456 You're not making me want to have a kid any time soon 😅

    • @PhilShary
      @PhilShary Před 5 lety +15

      @@anasevi9456 Well, Joe did at least 80% of work in the duo - he is responsible for the technical side, filming, editing, writing scripts I think as well, so without him Game Sack won't exist anymore.

    • @adamphillip5305
      @adamphillip5305 Před 5 lety +2

      Joe's done solo reviews for consoles before so this one didnt feel weird at all but once he does various gaming genres & such then it will.

    • @raymondslivinski1130
      @raymondslivinski1130 Před 5 lety

      swoods08 agreed

  • @Gravy311
    @Gravy311 Před 5 lety +89

    Glad to see Gamesack still going!

  • @HesarealNoWhereMan
    @HesarealNoWhereMan Před 5 lety +41

    Wait til the Mister Mister comes out!!
    🎵Take..these broken games! And learn to play agaaaiin!!!🎶🎶

  • @Magus12000BC
    @Magus12000BC Před 5 lety +19

    "If you want to play a 3D game, you can go straight to hell."
    Oddly enough, those almost sound like words to live by considering the current state of the gaming market.

  • @irving1313
    @irving1313 Před 5 lety +100

    We Keep supporting game sack til the end !! 👊🏻 , never give up Joe ! , and Dave we’re gonna miss you , but the show must go on

    • @manghariz2211
      @manghariz2211 Před 5 lety

      @@G1982_ You didnt know?
      Watch atari lynx episode till end

  • @MordecaiWalfish
    @MordecaiWalfish Před 5 lety +31

    1. AWESOME VIDEO! Thanks for giving MiSTer a spin and sharing it with your viewers!
    2. Some corrections:
    - The scaler and filters can be used via VGA output if you set vga_scaler=1 in the MiSTer.ini file
    - HDMI out can have almost as low a latency as VGA output if you use vsync_adjust=2 in the MiSTer.ini file (these ini settings can be changed via the scripts that download with the updater without editing anything, also)
    - Shimmering over HDMI can be greatly reduced/removed by using the Gaussian_Sharp filters. There are varying levels of sharpness to suit tastes there too.
    - Autosave has been added to most console cores, so you wont need to select the "Save backup RAM" option every time you exit a game.
    - Genesis audio now has selections for "Model 1", "Model 2", "Light Filter" and "Unfiltered", to suit tastes.
    - 2+ players works in supported games, simply by adding the controller in the main MiSTer menu first. after you do that, the cores can assign buttons to them correctly.
    - GBC didnt work most likely because you didn't add the correct BIOS, which is needed.
    3. Additions:
    - MiSTer has already been updated with lightgun support that even works over HDMI.
    - Game Genie/Game Shark cheat codes have been added for all the major consoles.
    - Extremely low latency input options are coming in the form of the LLCoolJoy, Blissbox's BlisSTer (retropad32 will also have serial connection capability in the future iirc)
    - Coming Soon: TGFX CD & Dodonpachi Arcade
    - If you encounter any glitches or errors in a game, report them on the MiSTer github page for the applicable core! Issues get fixed surprisingly quick, but only if they are known!

    • @chigimonky
      @chigimonky Před 5 lety

      Great info thanks! Just got mine the other day. Only thing that confuses me is I can't load streets of rage 2. I've tried 2 roms that I got from my everdrive sd card and both load to black screen on mister. They work no prob on the everdrive.

    • @GameSack
      @GameSack  Před 5 lety +4

      Thanks for the additional info! But I'm talking REAL lightgun support, not mouse lightgun support. Real lightguns can't work over HDMI (well, the Zapper might but the Zapper works differently than the Light Phaser, Menacer and SuperScope). The mouse lightgun support (for Zapper) was added after this video was finished production.

    • @ghogan42
      @ghogan42 Před 5 lety +2

      @@chigimonky That's strange. Streets of Rage 2 is obviously a frequently played game and has worked forever on mister. I'm not sure what could be wrong here.

    • @MordecaiWalfish
      @MordecaiWalfish Před 5 lety +2

      @@GameSack Mouse is not required. Wiimotes can be used as a lightgun in NES now, with support for other cores likely coming soon. It's not proper lightgun support, but that is in the works for analog output as well =) The BlisSTer addon, LLCoolJoy and RetroPad32 will all likely be able to support this. They will connect via serial to eliminate usb lag for extremely low latency controller connections, including Light Guns.

    • @MordecaiWalfish
      @MordecaiWalfish Před 5 lety +1

      @@chigimonky come join us on the Classic Gaming Discord (linked in video description) to get help with any issues you might be encountering. Lots of friendly and helpful folks there.

  • @TomVanDeusen
    @TomVanDeusen Před 4 lety +5

    This video got me interested in the MISTer project (thank you!). I don't see a lot of comments one year out, so a few updates for anyone curious--
    - Genesis has Model 1 sound option
    - Sega CD has been added (it's amazing)
    - Neo Geo has been added
    - Game Boy Advance has been added
    - There's an official case that feels and looks amazing
    - Tons of new Arcade boards, including some Capcom ones that are in development

  • @trashandchaos
    @trashandchaos Před 2 lety +3

    Oh man you've got to do an update on this. The MiSTer is amazing these days.

  • @ErinfromDenver
    @ErinfromDenver Před 5 lety +77

    You're doing a wonderful job as always, Joe. Yeah, I miss Dave, but you're definitely still making it worth my while to stick around. Thanks for all the great content. Keep it coming! And oh yeah, the MiSTer is RAD! Do you think it will support Pico 8 any time soon?

    • @darkcoeficient
      @darkcoeficient Před 5 lety

      Wait I am put of the loop. What happened with Dave?

    • @aquaglow1
      @aquaglow1 Před 5 lety +1

      @@darkcoeficient Dave left the show to spend more time with his family, since he has a full-time job too

    • @darkcoeficient
      @darkcoeficient Před 5 lety +2

      @@aquaglow1 oh. Thank you.
      Good for him. These things are not easy at all. If there is so much going on then something will drop in quality. End of an era I guess.

  • @Freako
    @Freako Před 5 lety +290

    I usually stop watching when a host leaves a show, but that's because they don't tell you why or whats going on.
    So, thank you for being transparent!
    Great episode Joe!

    • @Turai12
      @Turai12 Před 5 lety +34

      Helps that there was no drama, wasn't sudden. Like, we got a "warning" two episodes before he left. I think that does a lot.

    • @niXity9000
      @niXity9000 Před 5 lety +8

      That's super dumb dude.

    • @iwonderifthisislegal
      @iwonderifthisislegal Před 5 lety +5

      @@niXity9000 right? Lol

    • @josephrowe2202
      @josephrowe2202 Před 5 lety +2

      Why do they owe you an explanation?

    • @ganonzero1
      @ganonzero1 Před 5 lety +18

      @@josephrowe2202 It's not that they owe us an explanation, but if Dave just disappeared without saying anything, that leaves room for lots of speculation. Most people would assume bad blood between them, and be turned off.
      This way we understand why he left, and it's allows us throw on our support behind Joe fully.

  • @TastyAbbyJamz
    @TastyAbbyJamz Před 2 lety +5

    Great episode! Rewatched it again after messing with the MiSTer all evening. It'd be cool to see an updated MiSTer video with all the advancements and additions that have come about in the past 2 years. :D

  • @EGADCOMICS
    @EGADCOMICS Před 5 lety +12

    It would be funny to edit dave into every episode with a split screen looping clip of him sitting next to you. You can ask him questions and he can just stare at the camera while blinking or you can use a "yes, joe" or "i agree" clip every time you ask him a question.

    • @YoungBideo
      @YoungBideo Před 2 lety

      Would be hilarious. Hope everything was on good terms

  • @Akuzastar
    @Akuzastar Před 5 lety +39

    During the outrun moment my cat got scared and ran away. Great. Thanks MiSTer.

    • @dunxy
      @dunxy Před 5 lety

      Because cat,not outrun's fault!
      Cats are retarded,i still love them though.

  • @CamelliaSinensis
    @CamelliaSinensis Před 5 lety +18

    Love the layered transition

  • @TheGriffonscribe
    @TheGriffonscribe Před 5 lety +6

    "The part where we talk about." We. Pour one out for Dave. Still around in our hearts.

  • @jameshenderson4089
    @jameshenderson4089 Před 5 lety +49

    i'm so happy you decided to continue game sack without dave. You rock joe please never stop.

    • @zeroamericanhero
      @zeroamericanhero Před 4 lety

      What happened to the other guy? Where is the other host? I liked him

    • @bobs8005
      @bobs8005 Před 3 lety

      zeroamericanhero He’s onto another Sack

  • @videogameobsession
    @videogameobsession Před 5 lety +48

    This episode really tickled my horn. Thanks man!

  • @akerasi
    @akerasi Před 5 lety +8

    Tip for the MSX core: You can mount that hard drive image on your PC with the SD card plugged into it, and manually unzip everything so you don't have to wait for the incredibly slow unzipping. After that, it's become my favorite core, honestly. Probably mostly as it's a platform I missed otherwise, and is really awesome.

  • @dagttv
    @dagttv Před 10 měsíci +1

    This deserves and update--MiSTer cores and accessories have come so far in the past few years

  • @skins4thewin
    @skins4thewin Před 3 lety +4

    There really needs to be a follow-up video for this as most of the cores for it have been perfected now. The state of the MISTer is leaps and bounds better than it was just a year ago and growing at a rapid pace.

  • @bayonetwork77
    @bayonetwork77 Před 5 lety +3

    Loved this episode, I’d be happy if there was more techie type videos like this in the future that I know you like making Joe

  • @xenobestx8423
    @xenobestx8423 Před 5 lety +129

    Who watches GameSack at 2:00 AM?
    *OH BOY 2 AM!*

  • @kvasirii
    @kvasirii Před 2 lety +2

    I would love to see an update to this video 2 years later... I suspect a lot of these mister cores have been updated many times since.

  • @vaporwave2345
    @vaporwave2345 Před 5 lety +12

    That ending skit was HILARIOUS my dude. 👍

  • @codygratias9780
    @codygratias9780 Před 5 lety +52

    Still the same great quality sack content, keep it up, Joe!

  • @JomasterTheSecond
    @JomasterTheSecond Před 5 lety +123

    Welcome to the pilot episode of After Dave: Game Sack X.

  • @rooskiwolf1653
    @rooskiwolf1653 Před 4 lety +13

    "If you want to play a Sega 3D game you can go straight to Hell". Perfect.

  • @SiD3WiNDR
    @SiD3WiNDR Před 2 lety +2

    Those screen transitions are amazing. (yes, I'm 2 years late but still.. wanted to mention) !

  • @Locutus73
    @Locutus73 Před 5 lety +53

    Hi, please try vsync_adjust=2 in MiSTer.ini (vsync_low_latency script) for removing stuttering and lag from the HDMI output. Some TV sets may have problems (especially with specific cores), but most will work. You can even have per core settings in the ini (so falling back to vsync_adjust=0 for very specific cores). Try custom filters (it's a core menu option) like Gaussian Sharp 4 or higher, for best quality scaling with no shimmering.

    • @darthv72
      @darthv72 Před 5 lety +1

      I think the stuttering was in the video itself. I saw it on non game play segments too. It might have been his rendering software for the final output.

    • @Locutus73
      @Locutus73 Před 5 lety +3

      darthv72 let me explain vsync_adjust setting.
      With vsync_adjust=0 (the default, out of the box value) MiSTer scaler (which sits between the “virtual/mimicked” console/computer RGB output and the real HDMI out) uses a triple buffer and the original display frequency; so if you i.e. set the HDMI out to 1080p60 you get a video out at 60Hz (best TV compatibility) while, if you use the SNES core, the console video out is at 60.09Hz, so the scaler, through the triple buffer, scales the image and does frame pacing introducing 2 frames of lag and some stuttering (but no tearing). If you set vsync_adjust=1, the scaler still uses a triple buffer (so 2 frames of lag) but it uses the console/computer video out frequency, so no more stuttering but you can get some incompatibility between weird frequencies and some TV sets not supporting them. With vsync_adjust=2 the scaler uses a single buffer (actually just few lines of buffering) and the original console/computer frequency: if your TV supports it, this is the best mode, with just few lines (sub 1 frame, probably less than 1millisecond) of lag and no stuttering: actually the same as an OSSC, but with the added benefit of having a real scaler and not just a line multiplier.

    • @darthv72
      @darthv72 Před 5 lety +1

      @@Locutus73 I think you are reading to much into my comment. I'm not saying your suggestion is wrong, quite the contrary. I just noticed a stuttering in the overall video, meaning his render was not clean so it stutters every few seconds throughout the entire thing. Kind of like a buffer issue and I know i'm not the only one who noticed.

  • @BootsThaRareBirb
    @BootsThaRareBirb Před 5 lety +36

    The EU region could've done worse than just squashed the resolution and slowed it down. After all, you didn't mention any deadly drops of water before you switched to US.

    • @Chaos89P
      @Chaos89P Před 5 lety

      That happens in NTSC regions, too, but only in Europe-developed games.

  • @RetroRockGamer
    @RetroRockGamer Před 3 měsíci

    The MiSTer deserves a follow-up video. It's absolutely amazing right now.

  • @AceTrainerX3
    @AceTrainerX3 Před 2 lety +2

    I vote on an update video. The MiSTer has gotten so much in the 2 or so years since this video. WonderSwan, Neo Geo, even Capcom CPS1 and 2 are all represented now and then some. Give it to us, Dave!

  • @SNC2319
    @SNC2319 Před 5 lety +51

    I’ll give the ‘post Dave’ era a chance.
    Interesting video by the way.

    • @GameSack
      @GameSack  Před 5 lety +16

      That's all I can ask. And thanks!

    • @welcometoGARYVILLE
      @welcometoGARYVILLE Před 5 lety +2

      Game Sack I think we owe it to you after many good years of entertaining videos!

    • @antster1983
      @antster1983 Před 5 lety

      @MultiTarded I believe the plan is that Dave will pop up on the odd occasion for an end skit or even a full episode.

  • @korohacker
    @korohacker Před 5 lety +31

    Omg that intro to the Amiga Outrun had me in stitches! Why is it so intense? And yay, end skit!

    • @Fattydeposit
      @Fattydeposit Před 5 lety +5

      The reason why Amiga Outrun has the intense intro is because European devs back in the day were completely and utterly off their faces on synthetic drugs which had to be outlawed.

    • @vasili1207
      @vasili1207 Před 5 lety +1

      @@Fattydeposit were still on them 😂

    • @sethman75
      @sethman75 Před 5 lety +1

      Amiga was just cool like that. They always threw in little tweaks like that...

    • @Zontar82
      @Zontar82 Před 5 lety

      @@sethman75 This. Nes and consoels were more towards kids and stuff, Amiga and the likes used to have more "professional" easter eggs and tweaks like this. intro to Lotus 3 was similar

  • @strain42
    @strain42 Před 5 lety

    Very interesting choice of topic for your first solo episode, Joe. Really technical and very educational.

  • @MrPoestyle
    @MrPoestyle Před 5 lety +4

    Great solo outing Joe . Same great research as always . The only thing I was worried about was the final sketch , but I was not disappointed in the least . Hilarious !!!! 10/10 .

  • @Spielmeister456
    @Spielmeister456 Před 5 lety +71

    hey man, how'd you do that cool ass layer transition?

    • @TheKidDoc81
      @TheKidDoc81 Před 5 lety +4

      Yeah. I would actually really like to know how to do that. Hopefully the software isn't Mac exclusive.

    • @MordecaiWalfish
      @MordecaiWalfish Před 5 lety +2

      looks like its organized by color groupings- pull set color ranges from the images separately and add the parts together to an animation.
      could be by using the layer hide/view settings in an emulator also though, and probably much easier that way

    • @SleepingCocoon
      @SleepingCocoon Před 4 lety

      @@MordecaiWalfish definitely color groupings! doing it with emulator layers would require recording input then playing it back several times with multiple recording passes, and would be a pain in the ass to key out since it'd all just be on black (and many of these systems only have one sprite and one BG layer)

    • @rfp313
      @rfp313 Před 4 lety +1

      What is an ass layer?

  • @_zoinks2554
    @_zoinks2554 Před 5 lety +32

    Dave, you're still alive even with half a sac!

    • @ReallyCoolSite
      @ReallyCoolSite Před 5 lety

      My *former* brother in law lost half of his to cancer. Went on to have 3 kids by my sister and 10? 12? By the people of Wal-mart. He shows that even half a sack works!

  • @gunpuncher3817
    @gunpuncher3817 Před 5 lety +2

    You see, the fortunate thing about going solo for you, Joe, is that its plainly obvious to most people that you're the heart and soul of your little internet program. You seem to drop a lot of time and knowledge into making this show, and you've got some natural charisma, so don't be afraid to pull the camera in and make this your own show now. I dunno if I'll drop trough for the MiSTer just yet, but the active development leads me to believe that we might actually get some emulation progress that we haven't had for a long time now. Fingers crossed for Saturn Emulation!

  • @Ge604
    @Ge604 Před 5 lety +3

    Still feels odd to see an episode without Dave, but glad that you're keeping it going Joe, and the content is still high quality!

  • @K3zster
    @K3zster Před 5 lety +44

    Excellent overview of the MiSTer, super thorough and your attention to detail is amazing! In the Amiga game launcher though, you can just hold up to bring up the alphabet and go straight to the letter you want.. :) Running games this way is kinda "non-standard" even on a real Amiga, so a lot of the issues you might have can be representative of the actual experience, it was a PC after all. You can also configure the Amiga to run like a 500 instead of a 1200, and just boot games from floppy images - many games run better this way I find.

    • @noth606
      @noth606 Před 4 lety +2

      K3zster Lol, heck even on the real hardware half the stuff doesn't run or doesn't run right, so I think the MiSTer is doing it justice. But also I would expect A500 with floppy images to be the least problematic as that's how it is in real life as well, as soon as you throw anything else into it like turbo cards, HDD's etc one should expect some wonkyness.

  • @Locutus73
    @Locutus73 Před 5 lety +18

    Controllers: if you plug a second (and third, fourth, etc.) controller in MiSTer, the first controller you use in a core is console controller 1, the second you use is controller 2 and so on. IIRC multitap is supported in cores like SNES. Oh, btw, recently Wiimote support was added with Zapper implementation in NES core... pretty neat.

    • @Trimint123
      @Trimint123 Před 5 lety

      Thanks for reminder. I mean, that'll be sucks if you can't play multiplayer on this thing.

    • @chigimonky
      @chigimonky Před 5 lety

      Yes. That'll be very sucks.

    • @Locutus73
      @Locutus73 Před 5 lety

      Porter Rockwell I don’t understand, maybe I wasn’t very clear with my explanation: MiSTer do support multiplayer.

    • @Zontar82
      @Zontar82 Před 5 lety

      @@Trimint123 is there any other multi system console that allows you to do that, since you are asking it with so much "taking for granted" attitude?

  • @Vvardenfell_Outlander
    @Vvardenfell_Outlander Před 5 lety

    I look forward to your videos every Sunday. Thank you for giving me something awesome to watch every Sunday morning. Keep up the great work.

  • @RaphaelCarvalhoDiniz
    @RaphaelCarvalhoDiniz Před 5 lety +1

    Holy sh*t what a great transition on 7:50. It's amazing, for real.
    Thanks for keeping it up, Joe. For sure we are all sad with Dave leaving, but you are amazing and we are very happy with the channel continuing. :)
    Thanks! :)

  • @darkosadzak
    @darkosadzak Před 5 lety +7

    Feels bit different but no issues. Actually, I appreciate mentioning Amiga and C64. For European gamers these were bigger than consoles. Keep up good work.

  • @electronash
    @electronash Před 5 lety +4

    5:51

    • @electronash
      @electronash Před 5 lety +1

      7:16 - the latency via HDMI is now apparently less than one frame on average.
      The display itself of course adds a bit more, and that amount depends on the model / make.
      An overclocking option should be quite trivial to add to the core. I think it's been on the (very long) MiSTer todo list for a while. lol

    • @electronash
      @electronash Před 5 lety +1

      7:23 - I tried fixing that interlaced mode for two-player on the core years ago (before MiSTer was a thing), but didn't quite make it. lol
      gendev.spritesmind.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1327&sid=ce45efc1aac6d0d7dd2f7f295a81eb2d&start=45
      Luckily, Mr Sorgelig finally fixed that a few months ago.
      It should be possible to add an option to the core to force the interlaced mode to output as progressive. (with no tearing or "mouse teeth" at all).
      That might prevent the analog RGB / Component output working in that mode, though.

    • @electronash
      @electronash Před 5 lety

      There IS an Atari ST core, btw, but it's just not open-source yet.
      (vid description.)

    • @electronash
      @electronash Před 5 lety

      15:27
      Yes. ;)
      Well, soon-ish. lol
      czcams.com/video/jSQcBh1r8wg/video.html
      Mr Furrtek is also making progress with CD support for his Neo Geo core. It promises to be one of the most accurate cores, as he spent years reverse-engineering the custom chips from the original machine.

    • @electronash
      @electronash Před 5 lety

      btw, quite a few C64 and Amiga games require the joystick to be on port 2, hence the joyswap option in the OSD.
      Plus, a lot of the games for those systems only work properly in PAL mode.
      Other Amiga games require the OCS/ECS or AGA mode switch, some need the Kickstart 1.3 ROM or a Degrader, and some have specific RAM requirements. This is not a limitation of the core itself, but was an issue with certain games on the original hardware.
      Some Amiga games also require you to hit the mouse button to get past the intro / crack screens etc., which is the same as hitting fire on joyport 2.
      Not sure why the MSX games really need to be zipped. It is very slow to unpack them, so the ROM pack could probably do with being tweaked there.
      The larger SD cards are quite cheap now, but you can also use USB storage with MiSTer, like a 2.5" HDD.
      There is also support for Cloud storage for things like save games, but I haven't tried that yet.

  • @anavash
    @anavash Před 5 lety +3

    Wow what a strange and versatile device! Complex too geez. I've never even heard of it before. One of the reasons I love your channel is because you always covered so many things I was unaware of like that Panasonic Laseractive! :D
    Another outstanding episode, Joe! It's obvious you'll be completely fine on your own! Your editing skills are so good now. And thank you for keeping the outros going - that was funny! But I will miss Dave stealing your Snatchers and clobbering you. (The pic of him on the website was great too.)
    Cheers man! Game Sack for lyfe!

  • @ReigningSemtex
    @ReigningSemtex Před 5 lety +1

    Thanks for showing this Joe I have been looking into the Mister recently. Great episode as always.

  • @104d_3rr0r_vince
    @104d_3rr0r_vince Před 5 lety +5

    Minimig is a stand alone fpga board, that explains the name.
    Also if the games that flicker on loading a WHDLoad installs and there is no option for preload is normal. It emulates floppy disk loading from the hard disk. This is done on Amigas with low ram.

    • @jayminer
      @jayminer Před 5 lety +1

      To be a bit more in-depth, the reason the loading flickers to black is because WHDLoad (which is a program for installing games that originally was only playable from floppy on a hard disk) needs to turn on multi-tasking and the operating system when loading and then switch back to the game. And indeed the games can be preloaded into RAM if there is enough memory available, usually with 8MB RAM or more you never see any black flashes.

  • @TrashfordKent
    @TrashfordKent Před 5 lety +6

    Neat review, editing on point as always. I've got the original Mist which runs the ST and Amiga cores really well, that said it can't do the Genesis and Snes or at least not as well. Will probably pick up this updated version , thanks for the links, i'll check them out.

  • @OleMenn
    @OleMenn Před 5 lety

    Dude, I love those transitions where you separate the games' graphics layers. I have no idea how hard that is to do, but it looks wonderful. Keep up the good work, Joe!

  • @squishsquishimafish6348

    I'm glad you managed to squeeze in the post-video skit at the end too. I don't think I can look at that version of Outrun the same ever again.

  • @PSNationTorgo
    @PSNationTorgo Před 5 lety +4

    I just got a MiSTer a couple of weeks ago, and once I got past the learning curve, I've been having a blast with it! Great job on this overview.

  • @DrLilo
    @DrLilo Před 5 lety +11

    I love my MiSTer. For me, it's completely replaced software emulation in the role of "fall-back measure" for when you don't currently own a specific console/computer. And to be honest, there's a couple of consoles I do own, that due to things like capacitor health or poor mod-work, actually output less pleasing results than their respective MiSTer core.
    EDIT: btw the few C64 games you couldn't get to play are likely ones where you need to swap to controller port 2. There wasn't standardisation back then as to which port to use, so gamers had to swap on a per game basis.

  • @jamesw242
    @jamesw242 Před 5 lety +2

    I've got a feeling Joe did all the work.. script.. video editing.. and Dave came in at the last 5 mins to record anyways. ty for the hard work Joe

  • @sgtsquank
    @sgtsquank Před rokem +2

    If you don't watch these videos with subtitles, you're missing out.
    (Awesome Mega Man 2 music here)

  • @spritefun9362
    @spritefun9362 Před 5 lety +11

    I never noticed my PAL games were slower than US games until I started emulating games about 10 years later lol.

    • @RodniDemental
      @RodniDemental Před 5 lety +1

      Yeah, still trips me out today with the music sometimes when you expect the slower tempo.

    • @dunxy
      @dunxy Před 5 lety +1

      Same, being in a PAL country, this wasn't something i discovered until some time around 2000 when i discovered MAME. I was like WTF this games NOT how i remember it,speed wise anyway!

  • @Mcbundage
    @Mcbundage Před 5 lety +7

    You can tweak the video options for HDMI - integer scaling, v sync, video filters - they help get a really sharp image.

  • @Nexum120
    @Nexum120 Před 5 lety +1

    What an excellent intro, Joe! It's great to see that smiling mug!

  • @LupusRexRgis
    @LupusRexRgis Před 5 lety

    Great show, I’m not only reviewing concepts but also learning new things in pretty much each episode!

  • @TehNewParalyzer
    @TehNewParalyzer Před 5 lety +3

    Wow, the quality was amazing and even without Dave you made an epic episode.
    Glad Game Sack is sticking around.

    • @SpoonyBard88
      @SpoonyBard88 Před 5 lety

      Joe and his wife have always done most of the production work for the show, I understand. That is not to take anything away from Dave, who is, and always will be, a kickass dude.

  • @1-up_Willy
    @1-up_Willy Před 5 lety +13

    To get Akumajou Densetsu to work did you have to take the SD card out and blow on it just like a really NES?

    • @ghogan42
      @ghogan42 Před 5 lety +2

      Pretty much! The NES core has a problem where games don't clear all of the previous games state (from what I hear). So a new game might not boot up depending on the game you started last. But you can just reload the core or something and you're fine. Ahh ... open source ... :)

  • @blackflame4506
    @blackflame4506 Před 5 lety +1

    A new Game Sack episode without Dave but I know Dave will be back still gonna show love and support of one of my favorite shows on CZcams.

  • @EmilianoFraga
    @EmilianoFraga Před 5 lety +2

    Joe, thanks for keeping this channel. Excellent video review.

  • @atomicskull6405
    @atomicskull6405 Před 5 lety +4

    The problem with F-16 Fighting Falcon on the Genesis is that it uses a legacy graphics mode in the Master System's VDP. Basically the Master System VDP is an enhanced version of the same Texas Instruments VDP family that was used in the Coleco Vision and MSX, and the Genesis VDP is a further development of the Master system's VDP. The Genesis VDP retains the Master System specific graphic modes but not the older legacy modes.

  • @MegaManNeo
    @MegaManNeo Před 5 lety +6

    Holy moly, that Outrun announcer is creepy 😨
    But the episode and content is awesome! Maybe this device is something for me in the future.

  • @georgehartman4157
    @georgehartman4157 Před 5 lety

    Awesome video. I'm really enjoying your episodes about fpga consoles. You have great attention to detail when it comes to pointing out the differences compared to original hardware. It's nice that you include a lot of info about the different settings and ways to get around certain issues with accuracy. I'd be interested to see some future episodes like this about emulators if you have any interest in making them.

  • @GanjsmostPrime
    @GanjsmostPrime Před 5 lety +1

    Man what a solid episode for your first solo run! Good work Joel

  • @johnstauffer741
    @johnstauffer741 Před 5 lety +5

    "That's right, Joe."
    -Dave White

  • @alfredocanas6802
    @alfredocanas6802 Před 5 lety +8

    About time the Mister gets some coverage by some of the big channels on youtube, I bet Smokemonster would be proud.

  • @TVsBen
    @TVsBen Před 4 lety

    Wild to see this video 7 months on and check out all the stuff that's been enhanced and fixed. The MiSTer platform is amazing because of all the great devs dedicating their time to it.

  • @EmperorOfTigers
    @EmperorOfTigers Před 5 lety

    You did a fantastic job Joe. Thank you for including an after credits scene as well.
    Really informative video and have to say I'm very tempted to look into setting up a Mister for myself.

  • @gez9145
    @gez9145 Před 5 lety +4

    great review of an incredibly exciting and promising system!

  • @richardotten6467
    @richardotten6467 Před 5 lety +3

    Good review. Interesting product. I was worried that Dave was gonna be replaced by a Sweet potato or a straw hat, but you handled it maturely. Kudos!

  • @jackbootshamangaming4541

    I got my MiSTer going on two weeks ago and I love it. These cores have all improved so very much.

  • @Jona2Roa
    @Jona2Roa Před 5 lety

    Gracias por seguir con este proyecto, hace 4 años que veo sus vídeos y me alegra mucho que está su pasión no se esfume por los problemas que pudieron tener, seguiré aquí viendo este gran contenido. Lamento escribir en español, me da un poco de pereza hacerlo en inglés, al menos esta vez.

  • @misterprickly
    @misterprickly Před 5 lety +7

    I love the way you transition between the scenes by splitting the screen layers... Is that new, cause it's awesome!
    OT: You're doing a great job Joe. Keep it up!

  • @daveglo100
    @daveglo100 Před 5 lety +3

    good video, keep the emu stuff coming, I'm obsessed with finding the best emulator for the money, particularly handhelds

  • @kennethd4958
    @kennethd4958 Před rokem +1

    I've heard about the Mister for a while but always thought it was just another RaspberryPi type setup so I never bothered with it.. until recently. I love my Mister and anyone who loves playing older games (PS1/Saturn and back) will love it too! It is funny going back and watching older videos like this one because now the Mister has advanced so much just in the last couple years. Whats nice too is I ordered my DE10-Nano board straight from Terasic and got it within 3 days! I also ordered a case/IO board that has a Sega Saturn output on it so I can hook up my HD Retrovision component cables straight from my Mister to my CRT tv! So many wonderful features on the Mister its truly a retro gaming enthusiasts dream!

  • @downforwardjab5503
    @downforwardjab5503 Před 5 lety

    Watching Game Sack tickles my horn. Great job on the first solo vid, Joe! This is a really neat device that I knew nothing about before watching.

  • @SmokeMonster
    @SmokeMonster Před 5 lety +5

    Incredible video, Joe!

    • @chigimonky
      @chigimonky Před 5 lety +1

      Yo SM your fans are hungry for another Mister stream!

  • @chowdown
    @chowdown Před 5 lety +11

    D-did you just cover me with your sack at the beginning?

  • @jsc315
    @jsc315 Před 5 lety +1

    Was wondering when you were going to do a video on this. I have thought about digging more into what this device is. So thank you for this video, this was very helpful.

  • @grandmastabrick
    @grandmastabrick Před 5 lety

    Really love the closed captions explaining the music

  • @mrshootinputin7251
    @mrshootinputin7251 Před 5 lety +8

    I wish I lived nearby you. I so would wanna be your side kick on Game Sack.

  • @eduardomagananarvaez9568
    @eduardomagananarvaez9568 Před 5 lety +12

    Total suport Joe, long live Game Sack !!!👍👍👍

  • @neocaron87
    @neocaron87 Před 3 lety +1

    And now you can run a 486 PC on this... This Mister and the people creating all these cores are just amazing.
    I think we're getting close to the power limit, but I still expect a 3dfx emulation in the next 2 years and PSX and N64 cores in the next 5 years. We'll see!

  • @H00ps
    @H00ps Před 5 lety

    Great informative video. I like how Joe is seated to the right and leaves space on the left as if Dave is still there.

  • @goo3r
    @goo3r Před 5 lety +3

    Hey Joe, I had the same issue with Game Boy Color games on my MiSTer. Turns out you need a GBC bios to be loaded to be able to load GBC roms. Works perfect now.

  • @TheMainCore
    @TheMainCore Před 5 lety +23

    It was odd seeing you alone in the studio, but I'm going to stick around for sure! Good episode, but that thing is just to much work for me. The Raspberry is good enough.

  • @tomgunn9011
    @tomgunn9011 Před 5 lety +1

    Thanks for continuing this awesome show! Really great episode.

  • @mrtoast79
    @mrtoast79 Před 5 lety

    I really was not sure how the end skit would go, or if there would even be one. I sure wasn't disappointed! Good job!