Mechanical GIMBAL support system - Freedom of movement
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- čas přidán 6. 07. 2024
- (This is the second version of this video, in the first version I didn't know which stabilizer is the original and which is a copy. However, from the latest information I got from Pedro at Cinemilled it seems that Cinema Devices has full rights to manufacture this equipment (zeeGee) while Falcon is its cheaper copy. So I will not recommend you to buy any of these devices but I will try to explain you how these equipment work )
Link to original unit - thezeegee.com/
In today's episode I'd like to show you two pretty interesting things that may be helpful on the set.
The first is a handheld mechanical gimbal, thanks to which operating even the largest cameras becomes a piece of cake. For this project we used the DJI ronin 4D camera in two configurations, as a fully handheld camera with a large and heavy zoom lens and with full 4 axis stabilization.
And the second thing is EcoFlow which is a power station that allows you to realize your creative shots in places without electricity.
Bachata Dancer 💃 / olaszurmiej
Time stamps:
0:00 - Intro
0:11 - Stabilized vs Handheld shots
0:54 - Unique Support System
2:57 - Do we need it?
4:00 - BestBoy Wife in Action
4:44 - equipment details
5:22 - Setup
6:46 - Compatible vest & spring arm
7:43 - On Set BTS
8:53 - Music Clip & Footage
10:46 - BTS 2
11:23 - EcoFlow Power Station
12:56 - Conclusions
14:22 - Tilta 360 adapter
#DJI #Ronin4D - Věda a technologie
Literally the best videographer creator on CZcams.
I don't even need equipment like that, but i really love your very insightful videos about all this professional video gear. Thanks for taking the time to address all these different technical aspects. Awesome work!
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Nice of you to make the correction and post the link... Enjoying your channel, look forward to more videos this year.
thanks Pedro for spotting this and weighing in!
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I love your videos, your ideas are great! I would love to see a DIY version of a camera cart made by you.
Great stuff as always Adam!
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Yeah, I would love to see a video about these battery generators. having access to 2-3kwh would be extremely valuable as someone that both needs to run off their own power on distant locations and for commutes where I'm running a computer in a small car for really long data transfers on the road.
Man, we all love your frankness, Greatguy Adam =D
Super smooth footage!
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Great review! I love how you hype up your wife's abilities as well. You guys seem like a great team!.
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Hello where did you find the tilta 360 ball joint
Great video Mate 😀👍
I would love the see some side by side comparison of the same shot - one with the new item and one without. That would also serve a good review info.
Otherwise very nice and informative video 👍
Hiya. I can indeed confirm that I invented the ZeeGee and Cinema Devices is the manufacturer, the Laing product is as Pedro indicated a straight-up copy of our design, as can be seen when comparing both rigs, docks, etc. Hate for you to have to do a THIRD version of this video, but this is the confirmation you were looking for.
Sadly it seems it is only a product shill. He never cared for the patent.
@@lilugoldstone The ZeeGee has a patent pending, if that helps
Thanks a bunch for the idea with the additional springs for the Thanos-SE, didn't know that was even an option.
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As always you rock with your videos and information. Good info ... 👍
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Cool video however as a steadicam operator I feel like I need to re-enforce what Cinema Devices said in that email, the Falcon is a blatant knock off of Charles Paperts hard work and while I don’t know him personally I understand why he and a lot of operators in the industry are furious about the Falcon. Yes both kits are expensive however operators will make that money back fast in their kit fee and buying cheeper copies devalues kit in the industry which means our kit fees in turn have to go down, this is especially bad atm with rising costs of living. I know that Charles has put a lot of hard work into to ZeeGee and it’s important to support each other as operators instead of buying from companies who make their money by ripping off other peoples hard work. Laing also have a history of making products with cheeper and less durable materials, I’ve heard horror stories of parts snapping on their kit causing fatal breakages to their camera packages. This is because this company haven’t made a single original product, their stabilisers are reverse engineered Tiffen rigs with cheeper and weak materials. I tend to recommend Laing stabilisers to people wanting a cheep starter to practice with without spending £10,000 upwards but they are no good in a professional setting. I personally don’t mind the tilta 360 as it’s not a copy and in general you don’t get the same results with the same ease so it’s a good option for a starter handheld adapter whilst you save for a ZeeGee.
To sum up, although the Falcon is a cheeper option, it is a product born out of thievery and should never exist and has pretty much been completely shunned by the steadicam community
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Great video! And such a nice family!
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Hey Adam, I've carefully watched your series on stabilizers from the past couple years. These videos are extremely informative and helpful. I really like the results I've gotten using the RS3 Pro inside the Tilta Ring Grip, and I wanted to find a convenient way to support the ring to alleviate fatigue. I tried a two-armed solution (Proaim Hawk Lite) but HATED it. Now I'm going the steadicam route which will look a bit more like what you're doing here. It's taken a bit of time to figure out how to mate the ring grip onto the steadicam in a way that can be easily reversed (for purely handheld work), but I think I've finally figured it out. Thank you so much for all the fantastic work on these videos, they are extremely helpful.
EDIT: PS, there is a solution like this from Proaim/Flycam called the Flycam Equator, for about $1700, in case that makes it more worth it for some people.
Very well done and entertaining
Like always amazing video so well explain!!! Thank you so much Adam!!
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You did it again, you're like the Macgyver of the cameras.
cant wait for the next video
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Very nice cinema device. Great sharing my dear friend
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Bro it’s been 7 months am sure am not the only one waiting for the DIY Zeegee video that you promised, please drop it already..
And thanks in advance.
Zack from Kuwait
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Thank you so much for sharing !
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Thank you so much! Very helpful!
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Świetny materiał Adam, pozdrowienia dla żony!
Po pierwszym słowie filmu widać, że Polak🤣
I thought I was going crazy, so did you pull this down and repost it. :) I'm putting together a camera package and I was using this as a cheat sheet.
This is amazing, the shots are just awesome, a Ronin M might be a good base to make a DIY
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Great!
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I loved how your wife filmed the dance scenes. Very beautiful shots! 👏😍
Also your content is as always top notch pro level tipps 👌👍😎
How did you get your hands on a Ronin 4D? In my country it's still not available.
Great vid! Would love to see a diy version
Superb
This is probably one of the craziest rigs I've ever seen. I'm curious how much it will actually be used in professional production.
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The problem with those western companies is that they put themselves right in line for the Chinese company to beat them. I mean this is the same story of that company that started gimbals tech and was about 8000 usd. Just after that the likes of DJI divided the price by 3 or 4x and nowadays you can ones at less than 300 usd. I am sure dji made 10x more money than that US company. I mean in todays world if you think you can still live for only hollywood production great. But don't be surprise if XYZ company won't democratize the system. I mean the BOM of this must be less than a 1000 usd. I am not diminishing the R&D and ingenious of the guy, but you could add $ 500 usd markup and sell 10x more. If else someone else will take your place.
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Hey Bestboy! Could you recommend a simple yet stronger solution for mounting the back straps on the Thanos Pro X? I was practicing with mine the other week and when I took the vest off to put it away the rivet holding one of the back clip straps had broken off. Of course I could just replace the rivet and use a second washer on the backside but because the surface on the bottom side is curved, I don't know if that would fix it.
If you need some clarification I can send you an email with pictures I took.
Thank you! Loved the video!
I own a Zeegee, and its the original design. Cinema Devices is extremely responsive, they've always gotten back to me very quickly.
Good for you
Idk if I’m willing to shell out double the cost for the same thing.
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Hey @BestboyAdam. Like your videos and perspective on gear and filmmaking. I saw some gym equipment in your previous videos. What is your regimen for staying physically conditioned for the unique demands of a camera operator? Thanks!
Always love your videos! Any links for that Tilta Steadicam spigot ball mount at the end of the video? Looks compelling.
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@13:34 Haha love this part. You basically just have to buy the ronin 2 and use it without the motors.
Please do make a video on tilta adapter for float arm
Did you ever decide to build this? I would love to see your version!
Hi Adam, great video and the shots that your wife made also !!! The ronin 4d video is great too, A question the tilta 360 adapter for the Float do you know whether that is for sale already ? I have ordered a float and a Ronin 4 would love to make a setup like yours. If the 360 isn't available yet do you know an alternative. Liked the videos of Caleb and Philip Bloom but this one rocks
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Thank you for the great content!
It would be amazing to see a diy version of the zeegee. It would solve so many issues!
The tilta adapter seems to be very limiting in terms of range of motion. Did anybody find an alternative to this? Thank you, keep up the good work!
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Great reviews as always! What’s the bigger steadicam vest and arm you were using, not the Tilta Float vest? I’m in the market for a vest and arm combo, to use with my Ronin 3 Pro and RED Raptor. I think the float, and just the arm might be enough. I also like how the float you can attach the arm and bridge on the middle of your lower back, not just the belly area. I think the lower back is THE best place to apply the weight and pressure, because all that weight on the belly area pushes force inward on the belly, causing poor posture.
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Hey Adam,
Nice video and insight on this system. That's my view on the set-up : need an expensive steadicam vest / arm, you can't pull your own focus...
That why I own an easyrig with stabil arm, and my main stabilisation (mechanical) is a Gravity One by Flowcine. It requires a bit of practice but man, I love the feel of it. Downsides : no limited Roll movement, limiting height utilisation depending on the operator height. it feels so much better if the weight exceed 10kgs and is bottom heavy.
Feel free to contact me if you like to test it for a video, I'm based in Paris, France.
If you ever use a Zeegee, you'll probably never want to use a Gravity One ever again
@@grumpybunny
Would love to try it out, but let be straight forward about costs :
Easyrig / Stabil : 5K$ + Used Gravity One : 1,7K$ = 6,7 let say 7K$ with some accessories and counterweights.
= 7k$
Zeegee : between 6K + Steadicam System (ranging from 20K to 60k$) depending on the rig. But a minimum of 20K for a Smartsystem cappable of handling +10kgs camera systems.
= 26 to 66k$
Not the same economy at all. You need to work on way higher budgets (steadicam rates) to justify this investements. To me it's an accessory to own if you are already working as a steadi op.
@@PALALALALALALA You are correct that this will be a more expensive setup than the one you are using. I designed the ZeeGee because of my frustration with overhead hanging rigs such as the Easyrig (this was before Flowcine came up with their excellent parts that mitigate many of the issues). However the ZeeGee is not just intended to be worn, it is a multi-function camera head that delivers the handheld look across in many configurations (please see the Hardmount video at thezee.com). Different tools.
Adam, great videos! Do you have a link to the Tilta adapter with the XY axis cup? Thanks!
I'm also interested in that adapter. Can't seem to find it on their website or anywhere on Google.
Also looking for this!
Me too
Yes I'm looking for the 360 adapter too! :)
Hey, was the delta max you used the 1600 or 2000?
Great vídeo, Adam... I was wondering what are You using to hold the zoom In the 4D?
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interesting review of it, but one thing not mentioned, how does this compare with say a tilta armour man 1/2/3 system, same vest, but held from above, also using a dji ronin 2 as a mounting cage, as there are plenty of "Steadicam" priced solutions (inc. trinity), all of which mostly do the same thing [from a stability point of view].
Thanks Adam! Would you suggest buying the whole Tilta DJI float system over the float handheld alternative even if one does not use RS2 as it is only a few hundred dollars more?
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Hi Adam - thanks so much for this video - really love what you do. Have a quick question- you mentioned using a normal gimbal (I have RS3 Pro) and just turning off motors.
Do you mean just turning off the gimbal functions completely and having the camera just rest in the center?
I am guessing you would need to ensure you have perfect balance for this option.
Would that work connected to a vest?
What connection point would you need if you just used your own gimbal with the steadiarm?
Would you be able to do a video on that kind of a setup?
I shoot a lot of action and I think this kind of a setup would be perfect for getting great handheld action shots while taking a lot of the weight off my arms and hands which get real sore after only a couple hours.
Thanks again - all the best to you and your family. 🙏🏻
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Adam, come back, the internet needs you!
Great work! Could you tells us how to get a grip on the Tilta 360 adapter? Best regards
Yes I'm looking for that as well! :)
@@DavinaHader I'm pretty sure Adam got a pre-release prototype ;-)
@@mpatercologne yes it seems that way. Hopefully Tilta will release it very soon. :)
Actually this happen in 2014 and I did the BETA test as well. this is the design took from two different companies. The Handle and the top cage design by Letus for their 1st Helix and Gimbal part, I do not remember the name of the company right-now (lol).
I designed and built three prototypes of the ZeeGee between 2009 and 2010, so, no.
@@chupap1 My fella', (respectfully) I wasn't talking about ZeeGee. It was the Helix 3rd axis with the leather handles, design by Letus for Steadicam arm (I still have it - lol)). And I am pretty sure this gyro concept isn't new rocket science (loL) No hard feeling, I have seen your prototype in my DVXuser days but it was't like this one.
@@Finalfootagefilms OK not really sure which rig you are referring to then.
Hi is the Tilta 360 adapter is for sale ore it is just a prototype? I looked for it but I couldn´t find anywhere.
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'maybe they can hire someone who can answer emails' 🤣
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So where, or when can we get that tilta 360 adapter ? :D
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dude you're like fucking macguyver i love this channel
Wait is this a re-upload cos I swear I've seen this the past week or earlier this week
What is the Tilta quick mount system called used to fix to the Float system??
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is this a re-upload?
👍🏾🙏🏾
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ok, now i want the BestGirl channel
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very cool..way to much going on but cool none the less
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Cinema Devices is the origional.
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Where can I get that Tilta Float Adapter?
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Junior "The Baby 🍼 Gimbal" 🤗
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you know I have a ZHIYUN CRANE S3
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Think original design may have been inspired from something called the FlowCine Gravity One from nearly 9 years ago! czcams.com/video/Sk0lyzce_Ik/video.html
if someone could give the measurements and drawings of these setups, i could make them available in 1000$. (you have a freedom to customize the design aswell)
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所謂的雞籠！
Now need wait for more cheaper copy from small Chinese company ... Liang FalCon is very expensive for product from China - Motherland of cheap copy anything
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Hi first of all great videos keep it up.
Second I need answers pls if you answer me you really help me al lot 😃, and you have them both the Ronin 4d and tilta stabilizer adopter arm 😀.
here is the link of The tilta czcams.com/video/Lh6TLxil0rY/video.html
the question 1. that I have is does will effect the 4d. sensor when you attach it to the bottom because of the sensors at the bottom?
Second question can you bend low with it to make low shoots at the ground?
Hope you make a review of this or at least answer me pls pls 😀. because for al long time the ronin 4d is heavy and Im wish to buy the tilta but I have those question thank you so much 😊
can you pls answer me pls I really need some help ??
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At this point you're more gimbal than man.
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the real magic of stabilisation is using dji camera i think any other camera it iwll e way more shaky
Wait is this a re-upload cos I swear I've seen this the past week or earlier this week
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