I tried playing Halo on a really old iMac... This is how it went.
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I love the idea that these error reports were actually getting to Apple, and some technicians was wondering why someone is still using a 20 year old computer.
I love how the 2nd message started with “me again”, but was timestamped over 50 years in the future, implying a user has been trying to get Halo working for half a century
@@turboblaze9513 😂👍
@@turboblaze9513 LOL
There is a high chance they were. Most likely it just sends it to a generic apple support email address and even if they dont publicly use it anymore is probably still set to goto whatever they do use now.
@@turboblaze9513 The first one probably jumped to the front of the queue due to the seriously old timestamp and Tim Apple read it and cried.
Now Im imagining Tim Cook in his office or something with a vintage mac that suddenly lights up for the first time in 20 years because it received a random crash report
If a human ever actually reads those crash reports, this will go down in history as one of the greatest shitposts of all time
They actually have an alarm at mac hq for this exact situation. Mac employees are instructed to hide under their desks in this exact situation.
Underrated comment
Did you know that nuclear missile silos all around the USA are still controlled by computers from the 60s and 70s?
To be fair I don't know if it should really be concerning, at least if russian hackers didn't manage to infiltrate these computers for all these years, they probably never will...
Don’t you mean Tim Apple?
I think the most interesting part of the older iMac is that with low vram it sacrificed textures before sacrificing the game itself, which is SUPER neat
Back in the day I had a windows PC pretty much having the same issue, but I dont think what I had was a vram or ram issue.
Nowdays games will just be like "boohoo me no have nuff vram, me need 6000 mbs of vram not 5900 to render 4k textures, me close the entire game waaaaah wwwwaaaaaaaaaaahhh."
Well this can happen with newer games too, because if there's no vram to use, they just don't use it, as simple as that
games as early as 2006 to today just skip drawing the affected model at all, which is much less playable
@@yesseru They dont do that. Your computer freezes completely because the os is fighting for vram and it akways loses somehow.
Imagine you are invited to a Halo LAN party only to see a room full of Macs
XD
I just immediately thought of the sight of a room full of "ET" Imac G4's and even the mental image was cursed.
Now i kind of want to see it.
Sounds like my Year 8 media class
Believe it or not, in some parts of Toronto this would not be rare. Used a school computer lab lol
we look the same
I'm convinced we're in the only timeline that has Halo on a Mac.
haha wasn't bungie very close with apple in the 90s?
@@alexanderbuchler4048 Did you even watch the video?
I owned halo on Mac as a kid lmao
FPS Halo on a mac more like
No, what if Microsoft didn’t buy Bungie?
Wow. The old Mac theme is really beautiful. Not only the UI itself, but the whole suite. Look at all those gorgeous app icons!
It looks like a fake Os from a movie
@@Journey_Awaits What do you think the fake OSs from the movies were all based on?
It looks so much better than Windows did back then holy shit
Things were simpler and easier back then. The complexity overload today is just ludicrous. One of Steve Jobs’ favorite philosophies was knowing when to say no.
This turned from a "Can you?" into a "Should you?" and the answer is yes (as a torture device)
*Sends bug report from 1969*
*Sends bug report from 2022*
"So I've played 2 minutes"
Config Report: User has installed a Flux Capacitor in his iMac.
sends bug report in 2069: hey tim apple! finally got halo running
Its like me when i try to refund game XD
This brings back not so fond memories of trying to play games in the early 2000s that were far too advanced for our old iMacs and Windows 98 PCs. Still weird nostalgic though. Appreciate the upload
For me too. I remember trying in vain to get some Jimmy Neutron game to work on my grandpa's Windows 98 PC. It looked about like this.
Same. I still had a blast playing Counter Strike 1.4 with bots at 640x480 and like 15 fps.
That sucked oh wow your pc is from 2000 and this game is from 2002 so it wont start.
@@jorge69696 Yeah, kids these days, they don't know the struggle. "I can't get 120 FPS in CS:GO!!!!", back in the early 2000s, I was lucky if I hit 25 FPS in Counter-Strike 🤣🤣🤣 But you know what?! I still pwned.
@@jorge69696 and yet people today still play in that resolution on RTX 4090s
Now get a hold of the original Halo build when it was still an RTS being developed for Macs O_O
they're recreating elements in the mcc
Apparently RTS halo really was just a modified Myth 2 engine that only really existed in test environments. So go play the Myth games.
@@smokedeuch4039 I'd never heard of that game. For a second I thought it was a typo of Myst and the description of it totally confused me. I hope this doesn't mean I was deprived as a kid, because there are a lot of games I've never heard of.
@cock not funny didnt laugh
@@anon_y_mousse Myst or Myth
Please make more contact similar to this. You are an absolute fucking legend. I genuinely get happier whenever you post.
"Please make more contact similar to this." But not too much of it... i hate people who don't respect personal space.
MOAR CONTACT
The crash reports were absolutely fantastic, I can just imagine some guy getting an email in some lost forgotten inbox, about the report.
Halo CE, what a great game... I remember playing endless hours of LAN blood gulch CTF in the multimedia computer lab since it was basically all imac G5s. We'd covetly installed cracked version on all the computers in there and would play it whenever we were done with the assignments. That was the year before halo 3 was released I think.
Relatable.. and it was legendary! Those were the times!
We had a Windows 98 lab in our classroom and we installed Counter Strike (OG) and played when we were done with our work. We also played Ultimate Doom from our USB sticks on the main school network. Thumb drives were newer back then, I remember mine was 128MB and was HUGE capacity at the time.
Can always go for some new Halo CE content in the middle of of the night.
Literally me rn
My experience with Halo as a kid was on an old office Dell my parents had. If you were under the minimum specs, you couldn't even see armor color and no ground texture either so it was just a solid gradient for a floor. You had to rely on the green triangle above a spartan to know who your teammates were, but eventually there was a custom built driver for the Celeron D 82865G iGPU specifically made to restore ground texture and armor color at the expense of a slight performance drop, and even then the game ran at under 20fps in the first place. God I miss those days, and yes it was that important to me that I remembered the exact name of the iGPU in that desktop lmao
The iGPU is actually called Intel Extreme Graphics 2. The '865 is the entire northbridge which contains the iGPU.
A 20m video from MattKC that is less than 2 weeks apart from the last video, this is heaven
I always instinctively assume that Matt's gonna answer with "Yes, at least in theory" like the QR code video.
At one point Halo was considered to potentially come to DreamCast. Although when I first got a Macbook in 2015, Halo was one of the first things I got running on there because I had a friend who loves Halo, but hates Apple, so I had to show him me playing Halo on a Mac.
Cheeky spite is a great motivator, not gunna lie
Dreamcast didn't have the power to run it correctly
@@tom11zz884 Well, the builds they had running on it at the time ran well on it, but it was a very different game at that point in development. Nothing about power, just that the DreamCase ended up falling behind in sales figures.
I still have my Halo:CE Mac disc. I remember having pretty much the exact same experience with my mom's G4 when I was like 13, I played the shit out of untextured Halo.
Halo on the Mac was something I experienced in high school. We had a demo version shared across all of the macs in the room and we would play the game once all our tasks were done and such.
"Man that mountain is kinda struggling to exist"
Me too mountain, me too
Hang in there
It also is insane that Michael Salvatori and Martin O'Donnell got their start with Riven: The Sequel to Myst. The game series that got CD/DVD Drives popular as computer add-ons.
Uh, do you mean Myth: The Fallen Lords? Riven's music was composed by Robyn Miller.
@@AbenZin1 Michael Salvatori and Martin O'Donnell had minor roles helping him gather samples, and are in the game credits.
@@kemasuk Huh! The more you know!
Always wondered what the Halo franchise would have turned out if it was still a 3rd person shooter on the mac. This was a fun video!
11:47
*i love sending a bug report from an imac from 2000*
*this is gonna help them so much*
Holy shit man. The ADR is impressive. I didn’t even notice until you pointed it out. Love the effort you put into your videos.
even after knowing it's dubbed, i still can't really tell. insane work
I didn't think you could possibly have less shaders than that first run, but apparently not
Lol the g4 is being treated exactly as a younger sibling: “why can’t you be more like your older brother??” Emotional damage
I just imagine there's one dude sitting in an office who's in charge of older software support, and these bug reports just start rolling in.
11:17 Hey look, a texture!
9:18
"i told you this thing was powerfu-"
last words before disaster
"That mountain is struggling to exist"
Same
this was such a joy to watch. earned my subscription! I wanted to get halo to run on my win98 machine but the guts are nowhere close enough to even try. You accomplished my dream for me with the imac g3. thank you!
tim apple is my new favorite character in the KC universe
These Macs were an enigma to me back in middle school when I didn't know the difference between Macs and PCs
Back when Macs used intel CPUs, they could run Windows and Linux. So there’s really not much difference between PCs and Macs really. Just the OS. (And the Hardware ig, lol.)
@@nobbyfirefly57 They now have apple silicon macs, which they run on the aarch64 architecture and not "standard pc" amd64/x86-64. have fun getting microsoft windows running natively on this
@@weeeeeeeeeeeew Windows arm?
They’re magic jellybeans that hate bill gates
@@realtechhacks Not supported
Loved the video. Kinda trippy when you LAN'ed with yourself. I just imagined one of the chiefs moving on its own during the lan after the old software was able to gain consciousness over time sparked by the introduction of a overspeced desktop.
12:30 COMIC SAAAAAANNSSS
MattKC + a vintage Mac = immediate click
You mentioned that Halo was going to be a 3rd person shooter on the Mac, but it was actually going to be an RTS. Which I guess is technically 3rd person.
It's hard to say what it was going to be as it kept changing. The project started as a space version of Myth The Fallen Lords, but then became more of a shooter before falling back to a Marathon-like space shooter.
@@thargok Yeah, I should correct myself. After double checking wikipedia, it originally started out as an RTS, then was changed to a 3rd person shooter before finally going first person.
What's funnier now is we have a Halo RTS in the years since, with a sequel, and at least personally I find it fun even if it was a little simple compared to others
@@thargokOriginally, it was a distant Marathon sequel. This is where the dropped "humans are forerunners" thing came from.
Im glad that Matt was finally able to feel joy again
Gosh, I've been seeing more content from you recently and I love it!
This reminds of the time a couple of years ago when I tried to get Halo running on my Voodoo 5 5500 just because they used Halo as one of the example Screenshots on the Box for that Card. The results where similar to your G3 experience.
Found your channel a couple days ago and I love your videos! You're like the NileRed of computer science!
I would love to see a video on upgrading the iMac g3 like you did with the Xbox. an SSD, more ram, better fans, etc.
That version of imac didn't have an internal cooling fan however mine died from overheating so installing one is ***very*** important
FYI the no shaders option forces a fixed function pipline. Realy cool for when rtx remix releases.
I remember playing this on my MacBook Air years ago in High School, but because it was a pirates version I think, the game was only able to play the third level I think, in addition to the phenomenal multiplayer that had tons of mods that totally revamped the game into something like Reach or ODST.
8 days between videos? That's gotta be a personal best for Matt.
this video really speaks to me bc i first played and beat halo on a 2006 g4 imac. i was about 9-10 and it was one of my core gaming experiences. I'll never forget being scared shitless of navigating tight passages and dark areas, how amazed i was when i first looked up and saw the ring stretching up on the sky, how scary the flood was, how much i loved jamming rovers through doors they barely fit through.... all that using a mac my family shared and with that shitty apple mouse that didn't have separate left/right click buttons. what a time that was ...
8:08 man forgets to take head day, instantly regrets it
Was excited for this vid, love it
Reminds me of my first time playing Halo.
On a pentium 3 500mhz and an ati radeon 9200SE, i managed to beat it on legendary at like 15 fps, lol
Still had fun, meanwhile today im sitting here with an rtx3080 and i don't even play anything, just watch youtube.
I thought I was going to have a boring night, and then I saw you uploaded. Big mattkc!
For the server game with possibly your viewers the oldest iMac I have is a 2008 iMac that has a whole 4 gigs of RAM and a Intel Core 2 Duo and a 256 MB vram graphics card so I don't know if this will actually qualify for the whole purpose of the video
Always love when Matt uploads another video easily my fav CZcamsr
Wow! That's a blast from the past. My secondary school (AKA: high school) IT class only had iMac G3s back when they were current. Everything we did in that class was on a G3. It's also the last time I ever used an Apple computer lol. They were pretty good for the time but years later, when I eventually got a computer of my own, it was a PC and I've stuck with Windows ever since. Still, there's something about the design of the G3. It's really charming and inviting, like an old friend I haven't seen in years.
They needed 3 guys to say "yeah, it will still come to macs"
I refused to update past macOS 10.14 because they dropped i386 executable support, so I could still theoretically play this!
Man I remember playing Halo for the first time on the Mac back in middle school during math tutoring in a computer lab. We all played on the demo version and kept playing blood gulch since it was the only map. Good times
This gives me flashbacks of trying to game on the family iMac. As troublesome as it was, it's still nostalgic.
Awesome video! Keep up the amazing work!
This ran really well on my mirrored door drive dual CPU G4 (1.25 ghz x2) and its Nvidia Ti card. I bought that machine in late 2002. So to answer, yes you could run this game at its best (depending on version) on hardware of the time. That was the top hardware until the dual 1.42 ghz came out, then the G5.
Is that a PowerMac ?
Your content is a steal to watch for free, keep up the great work 👍
Great video! A Halo for Mac multiplayer session would be so much fun.
LMAO I remember first playing halo on my 2007 or so macbook. Damn this brings back memories.
I appreciate the forthcomingness of Microsoft to come out in person and own the fact that the Mac wouldn’t be the go to platform for the game in person and not tiptoe around the subject indefinitely through a publication. Wouldn’t expect the same from most execs nowadays. That respect is lessened for a garbage port though, that parts inexcusable lol.
I have always wanted an imac g3 and was always curious if it could run halo. This video is exactly what i hoped someone would make
I get memories of me trying to run Soul Reaver on my MMX200 without 3D accelerator back in the day.
The experience was similar, the excitement great.
This did not go as I expected. I thought this was going to turn into some wacky adventure where you turned the G3 into a monitor/TV so you were "technically" playing.
Steve Jobs: "Grr, these damn video games, such a nuisance. They're rapidly making more money than toys and movies put together; I keep trying to shake it off and make it less important to my platform, but people keep trying to do things other than graphic design on the computers they paid for. Why can't they just take the billions they're willing to spend on games to Microsoft and leave us in peace?"
i was legit binge watching ur vids and this just came out never clicked on a video so quick
This was highly entertaining! Thanks!
I have a 2006 macbook, intel core duo (not core 2 duo haha), it will be cool to play halo with it along with other old macs 🎉🎉 (I know mine is not that old but is the only one I have, I still use it to "create" music with garageband and Logic Pro
Nothing like Matt making old computers run software designed for way more powerful systems
the only thing stopping me from daily driving an iMac G3 was not being able to play Halo, but i guess i can finally live out my dreams!
I used to do this back in 2001, the demo was on my folder on the school's server.
They never caught me, and Halo raided the network every day :3
1st message sent to Tim, 1969
2nd Message sent to Tim, 2022
XD
The eMac G4 (USB2) had vertex shaders. :P It ran so much better without them.
I'm thoroughly enjoying this.
I have that exact G3 iMac still sitting at home, gamed on it all the time, Jedi outcast and academy mostly, struggled with academy a little bit but still incredibly playable for a game 5ish years after it's release
Anyone else rewatching it after finding out about the dubbing?
If I didn't accidentally turn on an old MacBook which had liquid spill, frying the board in the process, I'd also yohoho my copy of Halo and join you on a Mac.
I know bugger all about computers and coding, but I enjoy your videos so much!
Nice! Well done.
I think this shows how accurate the system requirements are. Yes, your performance and visuals weren't amazing, but you could definitely play like that (on the 2nd system, I mean). Which is what minimum requirements should be.
This makes me wonder how Halo would run on my PowerMac G4 with the aftermarket Dual CPU 1.666MHz, 3GB of RAM, and a Radeon 9800.
7:20 LOL MasterQueef! Used to use that name all time time playing halo as a kid! 😂😂
Hey Matt, I've been a longtime viewer of your channel, and I love everything you do! I thought of a cool video idea: what if you took an old video game console, and replaced every single part with replacement parts, before rebuilding the console with the original parts? (This is inspired by the Ship of Theseus)
next video: can you install Mac OS on a old Xbox?
Nope, not without replacing the motherboard. Xbox OS is baked in
@@wolfetteplays8894i know, im just kidding
@@retrotails2280 ah I see. I wasn’t sure… it’s hard to tell what’s a joke or not these days
Responding to the first minute of your video- the game being third person initially would likely not have a big impact on the feel of the game, as illustrated in 3rd person perspectives that made it to production in the form of vehicle mechanics. Also the huge impact Halo had on machinimation is likely due to the initial development as a third person game. There were more animations of the player model than in most contemporary or earlier FPS games. Thank you for putting out your videos- always enjoy your stuff!
Finally someone made this into a video!
Yes!!! I have this on my G4 lampshade. Runs very well
We had a portable copy of Halo CE multiplayer that would fit on a USB (easily) in like 2009. That was excellent for some after-school online multiplayer (probably the first we had ever experienced) on our school laptops. I wonder if anyone still plays CE online? Are there servers running?
Yup! Dunno if they're *official* servers or not, but people still do online multiplauer for every game in the series, including CE
I knew about this port but it never occurred to me that it happened before the Intel transition. I remember playing the demo on a school computer in 2009 just for the heck of it
Fun fact, for xbox 360, microsoft of course went with PowerPC architecture unlike the first xbox, and an early dev kit actually used the Power Mac G5.
In the Power On documentary MS released earlier in the year, you can see those testbed PMG5's, but also Bungie developing Halo on various different Macs. Wild to think about a floor in the Microsoft Campus being almost exclusively Macs.
@@marvinmallette6795 That's just bizzare and totally wrong. iTunes was compatible with MacOS, and always has been until they renamed it to Apple Music and split the sync functionality out into Finder. Originally you had to use 3rd party software to sync iPods to Windows until ~2003 when iTunes for Windows came out.
The reason they used Windows, is because a Windows formatted iPod talks to both MacOS and Windows, whereas Mac formatted ones only talk to Mac. It was simply for compatibility testing.
I played the Marathon series ALOT back in the days. It came with Forge and Anvil so you could create your own maps and mods.. So many hours of great LAN fun :)
17:48 I never thought I'd have so much in common with a mountain.
Sir you are messing with some black magic over there, you have no idea what the consequences could be
cool
you’re first
I agree with what you said that you enjoy trying to play it on a G3 more, I have the same feeling
Matt, ur better than most channels with more subscribers, you deserve some attention
Man straight up my childhood, at my dad's it was an Xbox but at my mom's? Mac Mini 2009. Wonderful wonderful memories, many hours in campaign and modded to hell blood gulch :))
wow this is the first time I'm actually first in a comment section
u thought
@Nathaniel Nelson aaa I've been scammed out of my pity parade bruhh also your name = virgin
Just a Bored Neanderthal is the first.
@@buttscarlton1830 You smell like mildew