Why Do People Wear Fake Sneakers? | The Complex Sneakers Podcast
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
- Fake sneakers, which were once universally condemned in collecting, have become increasingly embraced by people who want limited edition Air Jordans or Nike SB Dunks but don’t want to pay crazy resale prices for them. In this episode of the Complex Sneakers Podcast, the cohosts discuss the eventual embrace of counterfeit sneakers. They also break down the upcoming Adidas Yeezy relaunch, the mystery Jordan shoe worn by Travis Scott, and Carmelo Anthony’s best player exclusives.
Chapters:
0:00 - 0:54: Host Intros
0:55 - 6:59: Rickey Henderson Batting Gloves
7:00 - 11:24: Welty’s Salesman's Ethics
11:25 - 15:14: Jae Tips x Saucony Grid Azura 2000
15:15 - 18:59: A.I. Generated Sneaker Beds
19:00 - 24:29: Travis Scott’s Mystery Jordan Shoe
24:30 29:04: Supreme x Nike Clogposite
29:05 29:48: What’s on Feet?
29:49 - 31:58: Jim Jones SNS Adidas HRLM
31:59 - 36:04: Blink-182 Concert
36:05 - 40:23: Carmelo Anthony Announces Retirement
40:24 - 42:23: A-COLD-WALL x Nike Air Max Plus
42:24 - 43:45: A Ma Maniére x Nike AF1 “Hand Wash Cold”
43:46 - 55:42: Wearing Fake Sneakers
55:43 - 1:00:07 Adidas' Yeezy Relaunch
1:00:08 - 1:03:37: JLP Receives DJ Clark Kent's “The List” AF1
1:03:38 - 1:05:51: Outro
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Would you ever knowingly buy a pair of fakes?
absolutely! because the price of the sneakers these days are astronomical!
Yeah lol, money isn’t the issue but I ain’t paying the resell price right now is wild
Yessss yyy NOT save me money.. Like who I'm trying to impress🤔
Naw its cheaper options out there chucks, morants, its retros sitting I’m not hating on anyone that wear fakes but why cheat yourself either save up or work harder or get a cheaper option
Nope, No thank you can keep the Reps 😂
They never mentioned resellers as being part of the reason. It’s not just the limited numbers. It’s the resell market abuse
The limited numbers is what makes the sneaker game, the resellers are just consequences of it
Remember that the manufacturers are incredibly pro resale and not just complicit but involved in making their shoes unavailable to the public and regardless of how the position themselves in the media or in court they love it
This is not a hard question. Y'all act surprised people don't want to pay the resell prices.
People gotta reask the same questions and change the answers for content 🤷♂️ when in reality none of this remotely matters unless you’re a seller then the authenticity of your stuff 1000% matters
Then just get a cheaper alternative. Wasting ur money buying fakes
When you are in sneaker head cults, 100% of the members pay resell from time to time. These guys are def cult.
i hate resell prices on sneakers i’d love to own but the exclusivity and hunt for purchasing them at a reasonable price is exciting. I can appreciate them from a distance if i don’t get lucky
Option 1. buy a pair of sneakers from a reseller (stock x, goat, ebay, ect) and pay 2, 3, 4, 5 times or more the amount over retail price and NOT have the guarantee that they are authentic.
Option 2. Buy fakes, save yourself a bunch of money and have a pair that might be the same exact pair you will get from a reseller ( stock x goat ebay ect).
To me the answer is very clear.
If i cant buy from the retailers. i wont buy and pay resell, i dont care what people think.
The only exception is if that shoe or clothing item doesn't have a replica version. Which a lot of them don't. Most sneakers do though.
Goat has been selling fakes
I have a pair of LNF I paid 600$ consign and turns out the came fake first batch Nike did and retired because of quality but still unauthorized and according to the senior authenticator from goat said they’re legit and we checked we my team and no they were not legit so that gives you an idea about it so be careful
They're just mad tbh. Mad reps hurt the resellers pockets, mad their exclusivity isn't there anymore and ANYONE can wear them now. It hurts their sneaker elite ego 😂 now that a bunch of reps are out they're forced to bring the shoes prices down OR all the way up (which the general market can care less about). Now everywhere they walk they HAVE to emphasize "real"
How shallow. There are 100s of Really Good, Historically Significant, Culturally Connected sneakers available on resale platforms for retail price.... people who pay way above retail either only want the shoe cause its limited or are chasing hype. I literally never see anyone else in person with 95% of the shoes my rotation and i rarely pay above retail, have never paid above $350 for a shoe. If you educate yourself you dont have to get ripped off or walk around in knockoff junk
@@tumbus9117yeah same but some people just want hype pure unadulterated hype.
Welty casually making the Clips deep cut then moving on was the best.
Yooooo...I was just listening & not watching, but stopped what I was doing, just to make a comment after that.. I respect it.. 💯
The fist bump then Joe goes “want me to put the glove on” I laughed so hard. Love the show
I have 10+ rep pairs. Love each and every one of them. Retail prices are nuts where I live. Reps are the ultimate solution
Of course You like Fakes.
Your Profile Pic is Ditto.
Imitation EVERYTHING for You.
The AMM Air force one was so under the radar. Such a beautiful shoe. So slept on.
Full agree. The AJ3's got all the praise they deserved, but the AF1's are my favorite collab that they've done.
The podcast should be about why keep growing you hair out when your hairline is receding like that 😭
People wear fake sneakers for the same reason people wear real sneakers
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 Case closed.
They need to stay in their lane and work towards the goal
@@rahimi4762 what lane is that ?
@@cutup1👏👏👏👏👏
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Shoes should not be so unattainable that a replica is even an option and there’s where the error was made by the brands with friends and family and availability
I had the original Ricky Henderson batting gloves. Seeing them again just brought a tear to my eye.
These guys have big money, they get free shoes, and also have super plugs and people that actually look out. Majority of people lose every raffle and snkrs draw. That's why fakes are being worn
Agree
I like when people talk down on reps. I bring up putian, fujian. The quality of shoes from putian factories is sometimes even higher than the originals. In 2020, the mayor of putian joked, “if your Nike shoes wear out in 2 years, they are genuine. If they last three years, they’re made in putian.”
I want to love something as much as Joe loves those batting gloves. 🤣
You’d be surprised how many famous athletes rock the reps.
Personally, I feel if you genuinely appreciate the aesthetic of a design, there’s no issue with wearing the reps. They’re all cheap mass produced items, rep or retail. T they have a very low intrinsic value.
Nike purposefully puts a bottleneck on supply with their SNKRS app. They allow backdooring and love the reselling culture. It guarantees they sell out of their stock. It’s a genius business practice.
At the end of the day - who cares? The fella on the left seems to be worrying about other people’s self-confidence or lack thereof, whilst simultaneously judging them. Wear whatever you want - they’re all 10 dollar shoes, to be worn.
This is the man!
Welty tripping there’s no debate on this
People running around with fake body parts and you question why a person rather pay $100 for a shoe than $1000
😂😂😂
I’d say most people wear fakes cause they want the look without paying the price, and then there’s some that wanna flex like they’re the real ones
*most wanna flex like they’re real. That’s why they can’t just get any rep they gotta get one that’s 1:1 enough to deceive as many people as possible. Literally everybody wants to wear the look for as cheap as possible. But counterfeit apologists are the only ones who want people to think their fakes are real. It’s not really about design, it’s about deception. Deep down we all know this and that’s why fakes are inherently cringe
@@NE0C0R7EX I disagree, I think people get 1:1 reps because 1. The quality is more like an actual Nike sneaker 2. They don’t want defects and want the shoe to look like the shoe they can’t afford. 3. people don’t wanna get called out by the lames who are obsessed with what a person wears. I do think there’s people who want to deceive others but I think on average people just want to be able to wear shoes without paying $300-$1000 for a pair.
@@dannysha6458 It’s not about quality because the fakes deliberately copy poor quality and controversial design choices. That’s why they need to make sure the materials on fakes isn’t TOO good because then it looks noticeably different and becomes easy to call out. They also copy controversial design choices like the crooked off-centered logo on Bred 4s, the cracked leather on Lost&Found 1s, and the yellowing on WC3s. Fakes never add their own subtle spin to it. They need to copy it precisely because deception is actually the #1 concern.
@@NE0C0R7EX there would be no reason for them to add their own spin, because people want closest to retail… so it makes sense for the Chinese companies to make fakes that look like retail. Also you can say it’s not about quality but that’s just an opinion. I don’t think people wants reps that fall apart or tear easily.
@@dannysha6458 Exactly they always copy the retail pairs as close as possible no matter what because they know the #1 priority for counterfeit apologists is deception, not design or quality.
While I understand all the arguments put forward in both the video and the thread, I think we’re all a little too focused on the ‘authenticity’ of products that all come from the same country (with some exceptions). It’s really not that serious.
I feel both joe and Welty on the Nike Id. Joe I have had the same problems because there’s sooooo many options to narrow it down. And also you’ll brought me right on back to the good old days with multiple and some s1 and s2 products. Loves it
Almost every shoe now is like it's limited, because of resalers and the way you have to buy them like raffles etc. Used to be if I tried to get a shoe and didn't get it, usually I got the next one.
Complex sneaker vlogs keep them coming 💯💯💯😊👍👍👍
I have over 30 pairs of reps and they’re basically retail to me
I personaly never bought fake sneakers but my favorite sneaker right now are the Fragment Travis Scott Low, i tried to buy from SNKRS and took an L as per usal, now my thinking is, why would i pay 2k for a pair from some one who took that oportunity from me by using Bots and i dont care that they are hyped, Fragment or Travis Scott i simply like them! Now give an huge amount of profit to some one that i feel that stole from me the opportunity to buy them from Nike at a reasonable price to me makes no sense!
Yup..resellers are trash. They claim to give back to the community, however, will charge you over retail.
It is all about the person buying a pair’ real or fake, it’s their Choice…Just do Not Sell as a Real Pair.
Complex keep doing ya thing with the podcast vlogs for love watching them 💯💯💯👍👍👍
If you can’t obtain a pair of sneakers after entering multiple raffles only for resell to be over triple the retail value then I can understand. I don’t care if someone else wears reps/fakes as long as they’re honest about it.
I don’t mind reps I buy them and I buy retail. But for me personally I’m not buying these super hyped super limited pair of shoes in Rep version . Maybe some Yeezys maybe some flu games . But yea to each they own , we only live one time so why not .
Because if sneaker companies are going to refuse to make shoes in reasonable quantities people wanna bypass that. There are plenty of reps that are 1:1 with reals if you know where to look. There's no point in buying reals if people will just hijack the price and ruin it for everyone if you can just buy fakes made with the same material.
exactly, I'm not out here to give all my money to resellers. I've not purchased fakes, but can completely relate to and understand why people do.
@@walterroux291 I have a good rep pair of t scott highs and couldnt reccomend it more. it just saves money and its legit the same materials and construction.
@@realmackle I honestly don't see it as a cost to the culture at all, so whilst I don't own any I'm all here for it for others.
Abloh recognised the value of fakes, and saw them as a good thing. His last sneaker product with LV is a MASSIVE reference to bootleg Jordan products from the nineties and early 2000s.
Problem is it’s NOT the same material. They aren’t the same shoes or factories. I was in the rep game hard and spent ALOT of money on replica shoes. I got garbage more than once couldn’t get a refund EVER. I ordered from top rep sites and people. I got DECENT olive green 6 from mango mee. Absolute TRASH Jordan 6 British khaki wasn’t even a low quality suede it was something else. Trash fragment high Jordan 1. I got one pair of good reps and they were LV shoes and I know for a fact the leather wasn’t near the quality of the real shoes. That’s the big piece. The leather is NEVER correct and low quality even from the best reps. 1:1 is a myth. I’ve spent 3/4 grand to find out. They get the build down In cases and cuts. But the material is always lower quality. Kick who has good reps. But not 1:1 material again. Good reps are 200-250 Canadian with shipping. Most cases 200 American. They aren’t much cheaper than real
Jordan’s retail. They aren’t cheap and cheap reps aren’t good. I absolutely hate reps now. I wish I could tell you you’re right but your not and I got a big bill to prove it
my travis mochas were 70, and compared to retails nearly 1:1, and those are like middle of the road quality. if youre paying 200 for reps you're just dumb.
I get Welty's point on people now talking about "new things" in terms of different brands.
But as Dekovic was saying last week, sneaker culture currently isn't interested in "innovation," just retro Jordans, new colours for existing models, and bringing 90s shoes back.
Yeezy models (not the 300 colourways) were at least new, innovative models. Who's moving the needle now? It's stagnant.
I am shocked the palace new balances were so slept on and went under the radar
I managed to get a w on the purple ones as I love purple so looking forward to rocking those for the gym
@@laurenf4407 price too high and too funky of a colorway
@@A_78939 price too high?!? And there’s people paying over $2000 for limited editions. You be tripping. Purple colour way is fire
Double pointing in the Rickey Henderson replica Mizuno batting gloves was wild.
I agree with Welty that the one's who get the most upset about the rep sneaker convo are the NFT profile pic accounts. 😂😂😂
No Simpsons joke could ever be too deep, please bring all the deep Simpsons cuts and we will always respect it haha
Gotta size 13 in the 270 Cactus for $240 and they are awesome. So comfortable
35:35 all the small things 😂
I’d never knowingly buy and wear fake shoes personally I’d rather get the real thing or move on to the next obtainable real shoe. At the same time while I don’t care if others wear fakes don’t go passing them off as real…..
No but love the episode great way to start my mornings on Friday all I watch is FSR and CSP not cable round here boyyyyyy
Def was thinking about buying some OG tailwind 4s today
I love sneakers (have since 92) and i use to scoff at fake shoes. Now, not so much. I have never hit on anything remotely limited on snkrs and some of those shoes i just really wanted for myself (not for others) because i loved the design and colors. I have bought about three fakes in the last two years with zero effs given because of my not being able to attain them at retail.
I was thinking of the best way to defend my comrades when it comes to this topic. Luckily, a fellow sneaker head CZcamsr dropped a video today, it’s by “Rose Anvil” and the title to his video is “We Busted Nike LYING about “Premium” Blazer”. Cheers :)
1:46 Dunn has definitely never felt the grippy grippy 🤣🤣
What if people wear fake air mags because they are fans of Back To The Future and could care less about shoes?
If the quality of original sneakers ( mainly nike) , will get worse it will be even more acceptable to wear reps. When i look at the toebox of my A ma Maniere 4’s i would be angry even paying retail ( and i paid resell ).
We need to see you guys in a Kukini on air before Nike ever considers bringing back the Citizen or any other "'they should bring that back' quips. Although Fragment Citizens would go hard.
The Mizunos! Classic 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
😂pause
3:18
Why is JLP dressed like it's the dead of winter?
Another great episode 👏🏻
*they just dropped..*
@@theadidaskid No way he watched it all yet
Should have done the Nike Vomero 5 bowerman neon green trainers would have matched the gloves effortlessly
Love that model
Joe, you were talking about fake bags, that’s different, also clothing to a certain extend : sneakers has also tecnology in it so fake one could be uncomfortable or even bad give you back pain, meanwhile a fake bag or fake shirt has no tecnology in it so in my opinion bags and clotes are ok but sneakers it’s a big no.
Starts at 43:53
0:08 I see you Joe haha
I wouldn’t consider myself a sneaker head but I like and appreciate nice shoes. imma buy what can afford and it got to be real. If not I have no business going after it. 💯
We need more people like you
Same reason fake sneaker heads have a podcast
Easy becuase they are cheaper and you are not getting scam by the big industries
They cheaper and also falls apart. Can I copy your work and sell it for cheaper without you getting paid?
@Rahimi that's America bro..people undercut all the time...
@@rahimi4762 had yeezy from turkey and they are better then the real yeezy and cost £3
@@rahimi4762 yes you can my friend, this copy right stuff is just here in the US
@@rahimi4762 you clearly haven't seen modern day reps. They are identical 90% of the time now
0:14 👁 don't know why when I watch the show and there is the usual shoe check I want to put on a pair of my holy grail unworn sneakers
Did he really say “not everyone is entitled” to have a certain shoe? Lol sure, bud.
Just learned a sales technique from JLP!
Not a single good point made against reps here…talking about “retail” being 30k 😂😂
Resellers, "Sneaker Boutiques" etc f*cked it up for everyone. All the price gouging is ridiculous. If you want to cop 1:1 or AAA quality reps, go ahead. No judgement here 💯 .. I got skin in the game since '87.. first pair copped (with my own bread) was the NIKE Air Windrunner lol
Big fan of these and hoping to grab them at retail
When I see somebody wearing a Travis Scott or Off White I always assume its fake anyways
I waited 20 years to be able to afford a pair of Nike Terminators. I’d rather rock cheaper originals than mock myself with expensive fakes.
Hopefully with the world disliking the YZY reselling we'll get more models in this parts of the world RSA 🇿🇦.
My Rep Situation:
I beat my Travis Mocha Lows so bad and needed a new pair. I'm not f***** paying 2k on the resell market, so I did my research on who made the best Rep version. They are almost identical.
Got fake sb4s from ebay, 400 no authentication, came in a month later, shoe box in ups bag all beat up. Opened the box to see two stock x papers, one was supposed to be a sticker im guessing it didnt peel, shoe had the st.x tag on the wrong foot and the shoe smelled way worse than the real one. First thinf i noticed was the grey suede on the toe was huge, the netting for the tongue was wider by almost 2cm, i got the sb4 wides lol perfect for my foot honestly but the materials are definitely not the same, almost looks the same though. Blacklight shows all the marking for the stitches, white paint on the bottom peeled first wear to the grocerie store and the crease is wonky and harsh, the real ones I wore twice creased straight across very lightly. Took pics before i wore them and ebay gave my money back about a week later so i got free fakes to turf out.
Seem like someone buy passed the shipping process
Those Travis look like a Stadium 90
Watching JLP build his cadence and get more stylish every episode is interesting.
Really turning into a personality.
I have a few reps. Like 7 pair, and I've gotten just as excited when they've arrived. And I tell all my people exactly where I got em. If a stranger comments then I tell them I can get them a pair for cheap. Some are intrigued and some walk away. Either way I don't care. They look very good. It ain't got nothing to do with being "cool' fool. Not for me. I just like them. There shoes
I need the plug 😎
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Y’all let reseller fk up the game and then get upset of the result no body is paying extra because someone else knows how to bot a shoe there are shoes that should be sitting in stores that don’t anymore you have to pay a premium even on bricks these days.
Its a sneaker you wear them and buy them bec you like it . People buy “fakes” bec the resell market is ridiculous
Kick game so properrrrr !
Knew this was going to be interesting !
I agree on the Melo topic, the 2’s were just it for sure.
Honestly for me, if I can’t afford the real thing, I won’t buy it until I can. Coming up in this game, you got clowned for having fakes. Would never do it.
Amazing episode guys !
Its funny cuz most of the people that wear fake shoes would roast someone for wearing a fake rolex lol
Don’t worry about what people do with their money
3:17 PAUSEEE
These guys have no life and I'm so glad Not Tripping just putting these Complex guys on blasts for their hypocrisy of this topic, lol.
I got me some top 10s patent leather red shoes. And I got so many compliments. My brother got bothered cuz he paid all this money on some Jordan's. And didn't get any. Cool shoes that were sitting. Don't need to go hype route.
Get that 75 year old granddad who I've seen Pinterest who copes celebraties style outfits. I think he'd be a top guest
Maybe cause the bots and resellers buy them all and people cant even get a general release for retail
I Think we should Have Raffles for the General Population in order to have a Chance at cop,n a Pair of The friends and family Sneaker when it Launches and let it Randomly be Done, Hope that Sounds Rite! I think this could & would Bring some Hype back to Sneaker drops in a New way
TNs mean something else in Paris. I would not be seen dead wearing the A-cold-wall tn collab there
I think it matters if your a collector, and don’t wear them. But if your going to beat them get reps
100%
Counterfeits are inherently disrespectful to any hobby. Because the only way you can justify buying fakes on purpose is if you look at the hobby in a dismissive and reductive way. No different than telling a baseball card collector that you “saved money” printing replica cards and “it’s all just paper plastic and ink” and “as long as it looks the same that’s all that matters” smh. The fact you can wear Jordans doesn’t change its status as a collectible product worth more than just raw materials.
Just wear the real thing bruh. Don’t be scared of wearing expensive shoes
@@historianofmanythings4294 It's called being smart. If you want to throw money away, that's on you bro. It's a free country
@@settledown5392 then don’t get the shoe if ur scared lol. Just get a cheaper alternative or save ur money
They'd have to switch to a wide screen lens to get JLP's calves in there.
as long as u buy reps cause u like em and not cause they hype its cool
Im a HUGE blink 182 and was already into sneakers in 1999. I was wearing vans or airwalk. NEVER in Nike in 1999.
Can confirm here in Australia Tailwinds aka 'Jailwinds' were big in Australia's prison system and made it to street culture to where a large portion of people who rock them...ya best not bother them. Those and TNs both have the same rep and are massive here.
Serious question: do people wear nice clothes/ shoes to impress others or y’all just like to look nice and be stylish?
tbh both...i get fly for myself and it's cool to get props but if not who cares?
I mean practically both but personally it's more for me and just rocking stuff that express myself and what i like
i aim to antagonise others with my outfit choices
Fake Sneakers:
I totally get why some people go that route and defend it. For the casual consumer that only buys 2-3 pairs of sneakers a year, I get it. They just want the sneaker to wear and bypass any hoops and hurdles to get a shoe.
However, I personally as an avid sneaker consumer that purchases 5-6 sneakers a month on average, I can’t do that. The reason why I buy/collect/trade sneakers is the thrill of the chase/hunt itself. I get more satisfaction of making trade deals or or favors with other collectors via assists or saving up for a particular shoe because it didn’t release in my geographical market etc than when I finally do cop it. Thus, if I was to simply bypass all that and cop a fake, what would be the point then? It would be like cheating or lying to yourself. Why would I do that l? That’s just me though.
Bro if someone can explain the difference I would greatly appreciate it.
$120-$220 is my price range. Outside of that (resell), I can't afford $500 pairs of shoes
I also would have anxiety wearing something that expensive so I'll buy a rep of a shoe I fell in love with before it dropped and I took my L on SNKRS
I don’t really get how Brenden can take a moral stance on not wearing Yeezy or Tom Sach shoes, but continue to wear sneakers that were produced from low waged, poor working conditions manufacturing in China. Either care across the board on products that you consume and take a moralistic stance with everything or just don’t care at all
Picking and choosing when and where to care in terms of ethics is 1st world world problems
Lol, that hat bill crooked AF..
I thought you were trying to be stylish. 😎
Fake sneakers: The biggest threat to polite society in the free world 😂
ASICS 2160 are fire way nicer then kayano 14s ASICS needs to bring those back
Sneaker collection’s and most never wear them, it’s worst than women collecting purses.
The problem with most rep heads is they are constantly contradicting themselves or flat out lying. They say they’re smart and saving money, but they spend even more on dozens of reps. They say they aren’t just thirsty hype beasts with FOMO. Yet they never buy sneakers that aren’t hype. They say they’re upfront about wearing reps. Yet they display their collections in cases like they’re real. They say they would never try to sell their fakes. Yet people get scammed buying fakes all the time. They say, they’re made in the same factory. They’re not.
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"We've seen enough of this", "we've seen enough of that" says the guy that usually salivates over another pair of grey NBs