1st Stage Hose Setup - Scuba Tech Tips: S03E12
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- čas přidán 25. 04. 2016
- Alec shares 1st stage hose options for tall/short divers, swivel regulators and dive computers to make your diving more comfortable. Remember to visit your local dive shop for hose changes to ensure correct fit and testing before diving.
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40+ years diving and your still going , that's the kind of guy I listen to thoroughly
Thanks Rob.
Alec
I'm a new diver and find these tech tips invaluable. I'm learning a ton and appreciate you taking the time to share your knowledge and experience. Keep it up! Can't wait to see more.
Thanks for watching.
Alec
almost 70 and still dive - you are an inspiration - thank you
Almost 72! Don't sell me short!
I used to tell prospective divers that there is no age limit for scuba diving. It is not as strenuous as golf, doesn't require the agility of tennis or the reflexes of motorcycles riding.
Scuba diving is Yoga for the adventuresome. It's an exciting, modern sport for those who refuse to give up on life.
So long as Diana will dive with me, I'll be right behind her (better view from back there!).
Take care.
Alec
Best scuba mentor on not just CZcams but probably if he was your father or uncle you would go to him for advice every time.
Thanks Bob. My grandkids know I'm a genius, my kids suspect it.
Thanks a bunch! Nice to see so much vitality and teaching skills. I'm 75 with about 8000 hours logged, but it just never gets old. Thanks for sorting out the first stage upright versus inverted issue; always a controversial issue.
This man has been such a huge help, I am such a NOOB when it comes to diving.
No worried Jack. Every diver starts at one dive. It's your attitude to diving, gear and others that changes as you get more experience. Remember to help and guide new divers as they may be your buddy someday and you want them as confident and trained as possible.
Love your tech tips, I watch your channel every day. Very helpful and enjoyable to watch. Thanks for all the helpful info you share with us all.
Always a joy to watch you explain all scuba stuff. Not much into subscribing into anything but you are always on the money about all scuba so no brainer here. thanks
Thank you Jamie. Hope you can learn some tips from me.
I love the way you explain and describe things, it is just perfect.
Years of practice, glad it shows.
Great video simple and straight to the point. Just bought equipment for my daughter and I and you answered my questions regarding swivel regulator setup. Wouldn't want to show up for a dive and have people laugh at my upside down regulator. My daughter is 5' 4" and she was bumping her head on the rental equipment during her dive training. I'm 56, daughter 15, and we just got certified last week. We are looking forward to many years of safe diving.
I can't tell you how much I appreciate your videos! they've taught me so much that wasn't covered or talked about in my OWD course. thanks again Alec...you keep making them and I'll keep watching and learning!!
+Brad Houghton
Thanks for watching Brad.
Alec
Thank you so much for swivel info..... been searching around what is it for, how to use & why people said what a waste of the swivel function when fixed to reduce the 4" lower so it doesn't hit my head. Yeah... I'm 5' 5" tall. You are right, the manual doesn't explain much on these. Thank you very much!
I really like your tips too. Good sense of humor, Thank you!
Glad you like them!
Another educational video! Waiting for next!
hello, simple way to talk, simple way to demonstrate everthing, nice work. thank you
Thanks for watching.
Alec
Can you do a tech tip video on boots/socks? Ive done a lot of research from many sites, however your experience and history with the dive world offers new insight that newer divers don't usually think of. Great videos, keep up the good work. You're easy to listen to, funny, and you cut through all the BS. Thank you
Just purchased the same white Oceanic Zeo regulator! Can't wait to use it!
I'm thinking you'll love it - light, easy breathing and good-looking too.
Take care.
Alec
Never been Diving ever, but really enjoy your Tech talks, Very interesting facts etc!!
Regards
Owen.................................
Thanks for the valuable information. Salute 🙏🏽
Love your tips.
Amazing detailed explanation, very much appreciated
Glad you liked it.
A
Hey great video, I am new to diving and i have learn olot just watching your videos very knowledgeable and lots of experience. Also like the way you tell it like it is... great job Thank you
Thanks for watching satana.
I hope you pick up some good tips.
Alec
A dive legend. I started diving this year, at 40! Why did I wait so long? Oh well, just purchased my 1st reg set, and it will be here in a couple of days. Thanks for the info.
Have fun! You have many more years of diving fun ahead.
A
These videos answer questions I thought I would be judged for at some shops. Thanks Alec! Kinda feel like I'm learning from my gramps. Keep up the good work!
Your gramps!!
I hope that was meant to be a compliment. That's how I took it.
Some of these ideas you won't get at a dive store. They either don't know or won't share for some odd reason.
Take care.
Alec
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter My gramps was an awesome dude. The style of your teaching makes me feel like I'm listening to him. Definitely a compliment Alec! I'll keep watching and hopefully we can meet up one day.
@@chiptopher25 me being a grandma still feel that way.. not like a gramps just an HONEST guy I would love to have as my dive shop owner and by from him whatever he suggests because I trust him!!
Hi Mr. Peirce,
I really enjoy your vids and learn much fr
I appreciate that CJ. Thanks for watching.
A.
Thank you very much. That’s a great video. Appreciate it.
Glad it was helpful!
A
Thanks Alec.
Wow! Finally an explanation. I've been using the upside down configuration and getting funny looks. This configuration doesn't get caught up in the kelp as much. I'm 6' and is still works fine in the down position but I totally see your logic. Next time I'll have an answer for those "You're doing it wrong" looks ;^) Thanks
Glad to help.
It's only 'upside down' if it doesn't work.
How can it be wrong if it works??
I have never figured out how people can be critical of an idea that works!
Take care.
Alec
thank you!! great video for a beginner diver.
Glad it was helpful!
A
Really awesome! I'm just doing some studying in advance before I take my certification courses and I have already learned a lot from your videos.
Glad it was helpful! Good luck in the certification dives.
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter Thanks again, I subscribed to your channel. I'm pretty sure this will be invaluable in my diving journey. :)
Your local Dive Shop mount all the regulators down. They call it the Calif style, so it doesn't get caught the the kelp.
Thanks Alec, really helpful. Ive just received a set of new mares regs, and the 2nd stage / octopus around the opposite way. Not my first choice, but it should still work ok
Glad it was helpful!
A
great tips love your videos here in central wisconsin
+Jeff Lane
Thanks for watching Jeff from the great state of Wisconsin which, BTW, is north of me here in Canada.
Many Americans don't realize that 17 states are at least partially north of Canada's southern border - Alaska, Idaho, Iowa, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New York, North Dakota, Oregon, South Dakota, Vermont, Washington, Wisconsin and Wyoming. 8 of those states (including Alaska of course) are completely north of Canada's southern border. Check a map. You'll see.
If you live north of Tulake, California, you're north of me in Canada.
Talk soon.
Alec
thanks for the idea i just rearranged my hoses place . i will always install my scubapro mk25 like the way you do it at the end of the video its more neat and it wont hit my head again thanks alec . p.s "love your channel"
+uthman alaseeri
Thanks for watching.
Alec
Thankyou I’m new to scuba diving bought all new scuba equipment then couldn’t go for two years. So I forgot how to attach the tank to the 1st stage. Mine’s a swivel so I wasn’t sure which side up it needed to go. Your video explained it perfectly!
Glad I could help Carole.
Great learning from you thanks so much
That's why I do these, to educate and entertain divers.
Thanks for watching.
Alec
great videos. i would liek to see some ideas for horizontal trimming simce i hace feet sinking issues plz... ckmgrats on the vids
Hey Alec, fantastic videos! Another Miflex question, would you recommend replacing the LPI hose as well as my pressure/depth gauge high px hose with Miflex for the traveling diver?
a great video. i am short 5'6" and my first stage turret is positioned down.
Kevin was on a southern dive trip in Sept and said about half the divers, mostly over 40, had their setup upside down too. Hoses are lower and less head banging.
Keep up the good work! You are awesome and Kevin is great for taking the brunt of your jokes :)
All in good fun.
Thanks for watching.
Alec
Nice videos, thank you very much! I have a question; How tight does the wireless air transmitter has to be install, only finger tight? Thanks, JC
Thanks your video. Learn a lot.
Glad it was helpful!
Love the chanel.
Hey Alec, awesome videos! I have a question. When I screw any of my hoses into my first stage, how tight should they be?
great vlog
Glad you enjoyed it
Awesome video. Ty.
Your welcome Mauricio.
Thanks for that,very clear. I am 68 and in good health, and just beginning.. I am thinking of a full-face mask and dry suit as I live in UK.
Glad to help Ian. Probably the most comfortable setup unless you really like cold water.
A
Great videos, thank you. Does anyone else think of Red from that 70's show when they watch this?
I beat the great Red by 20 years!
Interesting, a very old experienced diver man that I know told me off for even suggesting I should replace my SPG with a transmitter. But here you are doing it! Its probably fine...
If you have an SPG, keep it. In a few more years it will be a vintage scuba diving item, maybe even worth something!
Does that very old experienced diver have a cell phone?
Take care.
Alec
In California Monterey area. I was told the higher mounting position (with hoses on the top) runs slightly higher risk of catching floating kelp.
Entanglement in kelp is very much a possibility. A close buddy, don't go through walls of kelp and a good knife or scissors are needed. Given all the add on's most divers carry like reels', lights, cameras, etc, hoses are not that likely to catch as they are directly over your head so if your shoulders go through, so should the hoses. Diver save Julius.
Hey Alec. Great video. I have the Scubapro MK 25 with a swivel, but have it upside down. The regulator pull has been an issue. I’m going to flip it over to see how it works. Can you Segway into this video and talk about regulator mouthpieces, bit vs. no bite? I’ve tried 5-6 and still have not found the “perfect” one. Thanks
Swivel at the top is usually better. When it's pointed down, the swivel action is very limited.
If you're having problems with the mouthpiece then a Sea Cure is the answer. It is made to fit your mouth and teeth.
That ought to end the problem.
I just did a video on that recently.
Good luck.
Alec
As a minimum, I have a tank pressure gauge. You never know when electronics will fail. Better to have and not need, then need and not have.
Not dumb. It's never stupid to have a back-up.
Maybe you should store that gauge away somewhere safe though. In a few more years it will be an antique and worth a few bucks to new divers. You'll be taking my place as the old guy with the weird equipment.
Take care.
Alec
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter That's why I didn't go for the $400 gauge set, only the pressure gauge. Like an insurance policy...You never know, till you know. Great videos.
Another great video. If your running out of ideas for more videos, i have 2 suggestions. #1 you mentioned dry dry suit hoses but not a bad idea to let people know options for the end connector. With thick 7mm gloves some inflator hoses are hard to attach, there are different end pieces that can be used as a result. #2. Is condom catheters. I have a drysuit with pee valve for 2 years now. Have never needed to use the valve, Not until recently has there been discussion on where to get the condom catheters, that there are different sizes and adhesive length and adhesive removal solutions. Plus trimming the area was suggested too.
+Ted Reitsma
The dry suit inflator hose removal with thick gloves is and will continue to be a problem.
I'm not sure what the solution is. I've had the same problem too. I'll think about it although generally one wouldn't remove the hose until on the surface when removing the gloves comes first.
I use a diaper (Depends). Cheap, works beautifully, no one knows, no zipper or valve to buy or to break or to leak. Can't be beat. I don't know where to get a condom catheter other than a pharmacy or medical supply. At my age a condom catheter probably wouldn't stay on without the use of Duct tape - ouch!!
Hi Alec, The height of diver could be of some concern, something i didn't know. This could help me make the correct choice of swivels on stage 1 regs. Thank's your vast knowledge is so very helpful. Hang Tuff
Almost every piece of scuba gear has to be adjusted to fit the diver.
Alec
thanks a million
Still loving your videos! If you need ideas, although I am sure that you probably have a ten mile list, a possible idea would be the idea of a 7 foot primary. Some people call it a hogarthian hose setup, and people think that it is only used for cave diving, but it can be useful to the recreational diver as well, by keeping hoses compact, not letting anything drag, making out ofair situations easier, etc. Also looking forward to your vintage videos!
Thanks,
Neal
+Neal
This is not the first request for some ideas about 7' hoses.
I guess I'll have to talk about it - reluctantly!
Personally, having cave dived and used extended hoses, I'm not a fan of them for recreational divers. In my experience and opinion, they are an unnecessary encumbrance, useful in very specific situations for sure, but while enjoying a coral reef at 50' or taking photos of marine life at 20', etc, the tried and true standard reg and safe second can't be beat. It's affordable, reliable, second nature to deploy and universally understood. Hard to argue.
Thanks for watching.
Alec
+Scuba 2000
I disagree with you, I think that they have multiple benefits, even within regular recreation, but everyone has their own opinion. If it works for you, do it. Love the videos,
Thanks,
Neal
I'm looking at an Atomic B2 Regulator that is a Swiveling Turret design. It has the 5th end port that the primary 2nd stage is connected from factory. I think most people reconfigure this primary to another side port for most diving. When would you leave the primary 2nd stage in this end port and how would it be configured with your other hoses? I've read where it gives better flow characteristics; but with other hoses connected, it doesn't appear to function well with your other hose routing. Oh, and by the way, your videos are really helpful so keep it up; you do a great job.
I've no idea why Atomic ships their regs set up that way. EVERY dive store and diver changes them so they work properly with the 2nds coming out the side. There's no practical reason at all to have a hose coming out of the end. Definitely there's no change in air flow.
It's a nice reg. Good luck.
Alec
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter it packs well in the box, thats by best guess as to why they ship that way
Hi Alec I was wondering if I could have 3 second stage regulators by adding another octo to the low pressure port
Heck, add as many as you want. Some newer regs have 4 low pressure ports so you can add 4 more octopus if you want!
Having dive buddy problems are we??
Alec
Thanks for the video Alex! Been watching most of your vids and love it. I have but one small question. . . What do you think of joining 2 LP hoses together? Does it reduce the quality / increase the risk of damage or perhaps an explosion? :)
Uh .... not sure what you mean Cheston.
If you just want to join 2 LP hoses to make one long one, join away.
You can make it as long as you want.
Or you can buy extra long hoses, up to 100' in a single hose.
Alec
Hi again Alec, I've been working my way through your excellent video series. I know you don't feel a backup spg is necessary with newer reliable dive computers but I'm still using my VT Pro which, as an older model did give me some issues on a recent dive trip so I am supplementing with a mini, compact single console spg and I did the same for my girlfriend, but her regulator only has one HP port so I purchased and installed an HP splitter that also has a built in swivel which only swivels along the axis of the transmitter- so the transmitter only rotates but doesn't change position while the mini spg can move with the swivel so it tucks even better along the side of the BCD. What are you thoughts about HP splitters for this purpose? Thanks - Steve
Get a new computer and sell your SPGs!
New computers are as close to 100% as they ever will be and this also solves your jury-rigged reg set-up.
Why mess around trying to make it work when you can make the step that you're going to make eventually anyway.
A good computer will last you 10 years. That gets rid of your reg problem and keeps you safe for $100 a year. That's like $4 a dive!!!
Thanks for watching. Alec
I always enjoy your videos Alec.
I just want to ask about relying solely on air integrated computer and not having SPG in your configuration. What computer/transmitter are you using that is so reliable?
I may be using the wrong brand. I use a computer and transmitter from a reputable Finnish brand, and still if I look back at 100 dives, the reliability is close to 50%, so I see the air integration more of a fun, convenient feature but my SPG is still my main source of information regarding my air supply.
I have no problem with divers who feel more comfortable having a good ol' SPG hanging around.
Personally, I have a lot of confidence in the newest transmitters and have never had a problem. I use the one made by Pelagic which is sold under Oceanic, Aqua-Lung, Sherwood and other large US-based companies.
If I, or any diver, did have a problem with a lost transmitter signal that did not re-connect quickly, I'd surface. It's the same solution to any such malfunction underwater.
Enjoy your SPG while you can. I'm pretty sure they will be featured in my Vintage Scuba playlist at some point in the future - things we used in the 'early' days of scuba.
You can consider Air-Integration fun if you like R&W, but to me, it's biggest benefit is not letting me know how much air I have left (as an SPG does) but by telling me how much longer that air will last.
That's what you really want to know. When you look at your SPG you don't really want to know how much air you have. You want to know how much longer you can stay down with your remaining air.
With an SPG you are guessing. With an AI computer, you know.
Take care.
Alec
Awesome videos Mr. Peirce! Very useful and informative. Can I suggest, you list down the equipment you use or show in the video so we can read more about them should we want to buy them. Thank you.
Thanks for watching Amin.
I don't mind mentioning some of the neat stuff I find if it's not a major brand name. Whenever I mention a scuba brand, I get comments from readers about how much better a rival brand is than the one I mentioned. I have sold every major brand on the market (and a few that no longer exist) so I don't want to be critical of any. Besides it would amaze divers how many of the brands get their gear from the same source. How can an Aqualung computer be better than an Oceanic computer when they both come from the same company? I'll try to use more names though. Most of these items you can easily find on Google.
+Alec Peirce Scuba thank you Mr. Peirce. I'm very curious about the hoses you use in your setup. I would like to change the rubber hoses on my reg to the flexible, lightweight hoses much like yours and want to know what are the ones you're using. Thank you!
Awesome. Thank you!
+Alec Peirce just got myself a set (primary, secondary, inflator and a short hose to connect my wireless transmitter to the HP port) of Miflex hoses!
But something is bugging me. I went for 56cm for my primary air source. I'm concerned that it's a bit too short and cause the mouthpiece to tug when I turn my head to the left but the guy at the store where I bought it from said that the length will be just nice allowing for a compact and streamlined setup.
I've installed the hoses and tried it by holding the first stage at the back of my head (approximately where the thank will be). True enough there's no pull when I turn my head to the left but oddly now, the hose pushes my mouthpiece when I turn my head to the right.
I use a Sherwood SR2 setup with a upright swivel turret first stage.
My question is, will the hose become more flexible over time thus reducing the hose push? Or is 56cm too short to be used for a primary air supply hose in a standard recreational setup.
Secondly, I wanted to have a similar setup to yours, ie. without an SPG but the guy at the store said that it would be risky as wireless transmitters are not always reliable. I'm inclined to think otherwise but I don't have the experience and my dive instructor seems to agree with the dive store. I use a Suunto D4i. And will be using the wireless transmitter for the first time this weekend. What are your thoughts?
Finally, the store recommended that I run a short hose to connect the transmitter to HP port instead of connecting it directly, the seller said that he sees a lot of transmitter being accidentally bent when connected directly to the port due to poor handling (ie. lifting the gas tank by grabbing on to the transmitter). Is this necessary and does it happen often?
Sorry for the long comment but would really like to know your expert opinion.
Thank you I'm advance.
Whew! A long one. I don't want to counter the store or the instructor but here's my thoughts. Think them over and make a decision. Standard length for a primary regulator hose is 27" - 32" (68 to 81 cm). Personally I think 53 cm is too short. I think you'll find 32" is the length of your standard SR2 regulator (nice reg by the way!). If it's too short you may find it pulls when you look left but maybe not with flex hoses and the swivel. I too notice that some reg hoses will push the mouthpiece out of your mouth when you look right. Again that should be less likely with flex hoses and the swivel. An inch or so won't make a big difference but, if you're a big person (over 5'11") 56cm (22") seems short. Make certain the dive store owner isn't selling you what he has in stock. Unfortunately that tactic is much too common. Perhaps, as we would do, he'll let you try the short hose and then a longer hose so you can decide. Only by actually trying them will you know for sure. To the best of my knowledge, the flex hoses do NOT change over time - neither more flex or less. Don't count on that. Get it right from the start. It's an interesting comment that a shorter hose will make the system "compact and streamlined". I hardly think that a few inches in the hose length will affect the compactness but, it will affect the comfort! Do be sure that the swivel moves freely back and forth with binding on the hoses. If you had asked me even as recently as 5 years ago about transmitters I would have agreed, or at least not argued, about keeping your SPG. But today the transmitters are as close to 100% reliable as you can get. Certainly they are much more accurate and easy to read than an SPG. Even, as it says in the manual, the transmitter MAY lose connection but, if it happens, it's usually for just a few seconds. Given that the refresh rate is a few seconds, you won't even know if it happens. If the computer suffers a complete breakdown, it's not the catastrophe that divers or stores describe. As with any gauge or other gear failure, make a slow, safe ascent. What's the big deal! If you are watching your air supply regularly as you should computer or not, you will have a good idea of the remaining air pressure. And, if you have been keeping a good remaining air supply in the tank for your ascent as with any safe diver, losing the transmission is again no big deal. I suspect that in 3 years, analog SPGs will join J valves and become part of scuba history. Hard to believe but here I know what I'm talking about, someone in the future will do a Vintage Scuba video about SPGs! I am compelled to add that, while I have found dive computers, air integrated or not, hoseless or not, to be perfectly reliable, there continues to be some slight problems with both Suunto and Uwatec. We sell and service them both, plus the western brands made by Pelagic (Oceanic, USD, Sherwood, etc), and there seems to be a slight difference in reliability. The D4i is really good but when you decide to replace it, look at Oceanic (assuming there's a dealer near you). And lastly, put your SR2 onto a tank and try to pick it up by the transmitter mounted directly in the port. Almost impossible!! You invariably grab the valve knob or the regulator knob. You have to twist and bend your fingers into an uncomfortable position to reach the transmitter. And if you do manage that, the tank will hang at an odd angle. I think perhaps you misunderstood the store clerk. Bend the transmitter? Never going to happen. With Suunto the plastic cap might crack. With others you'd have to drop the whole unit, tank and all, on the rocks to hurt it. Now don't go back to the store or your instructor and say that "Alec Peirce says your full of S***". You won't win friends. Just use these ideas and your own brains to figure it out. Again, with a good dive store, they'll let you try something for a while and change it if it's not doing what you want. THAT you can tell them! Good luck and thanks for wtaching. Alec
Hey Alec, I was just wondering whether for a trainee diver myself whose in the market for equipment currently, whether I should get an SPG or not considering I'm going to be getting a wrist dive computer with the air integration. It sounds like something I would indeed invest in at some point but at the moment not something mandatory if you have a dive computer.
This is a regular debate.
My stock answer is no - you just don't need an SPG if you have an air-integrated computer.
But, if having an SPG makes you feel more comfortable, safer if you like, for $100 get one. A lot of old divers feel this way.
It can be practical in one way. If you need to check your tank pressure and don't have your computer on your wrist, you can do so.
As I often say, do what works for you.
Take care.
Alec
I haven't went diving in 3 years. Should I take a refresher course
3 years is not a long time but the fact you're are asking (great attitude!) indicates you would probably benefit from a short refresher.
I'd suggest a couple of hours in the pool with a divemaster or instructor would do it.
No real need to spend money or time learning stuff you already know.
Good luck.
Alec
Excellent videos, Alec, I really enjoy them! I recently purchased a combination O2/CO analyzer. I did LOTS of research on O2 analyzers, but found it difficult to find quality information. Maybe a video would help people that are in a similar predicament? Keep up the good work!
+Jeremy Piper
Thanks for watching Jeremy.
O2 analyzers are readily available. I have avoided saying much about them for a couple of reasons: 1. Divers tend to be very protective of their choice and I want to avoid controversy. 2. The need for individual divers to own an analyzer is in question. The fill station where you get your nitrox fills will have one for your use. Other than at the time of the fill, you don't really need one. 3. Your Nitrox trainer is the best source of information on the right one for you. That choice will be affected by what's available in your area, what other divers use in your area plus cost and service.
In my experience most analyzers do a good job. We use 3 different brands here at Scuba 2000 simply to have a comparison. They are all fine, easy to use and they all give almost identical results, usually within .25 to .5 %.
Let me say that the Analox O2 EII is well-known. It's been around a long time. I find it a bit harder to use. We also use the Maxtec MaxO2 at our fill station and it seems good. I like the fact it can be attached to your BC low pressure fitting to ensure a steady flow of air - no fumbling with the valve. And I like the compactness of the Nuvair O2 Quickstick. It's really easy to use.
These units range from $250 to $400. Don't forget to factor in the availability and cost of the sensors which have to be replaced occasionally depending on use.
I hope this helps.
Alec
+Scuba 2000
By the way Jeremy, you mention CO analyzer. I've never seen one that is easy to use, affordable and accurate. We sell one-time use CO detectors in the store. You use them to check your air if it's suspect but then throw it away. Fortunately they're cheap.
What are you using?
Alec
+Scuba 2000 I agree, many divers are very loyal to a brand (I'm guilty sometimes), and that is what made it difficult for me while researching O2 analyzers to begin with! Anyhow, thanks for taking time out of your day to respond to my comment, and for sharing your wisdom.
+Scuba 2000 I opted for a combination unit that is about the same cost as a standard O2 analyzer. While I was going to purchase an Analox O2EII, I went with a Divenav Cootwo, a Kickstarter-backed project. After extensive research of the (unlikely) dangers of CO contamination, I chose this unit as an extra precaution, with the bonus of it being an O2 analyzer. While I trust my Florida-based LDS, it will (hopefully) give me peace of mind when traveling. It arrives Friday, so I'll let you know my impressions if you'd like.
Alec are all first stage port plugs the same industry standard thread? Probably good to have some spares in a save-a-dive kit I would think.
On modern 1st stages, the port plugs are a common size across all makes for the LP (3/8" UNF thread ) and HP (7/16" UNF thread).
I'm not a scuba diver, but am very interested and enjoy your video's. I've been watching, one after another and haven't come across any addressing the full face mask with audio mic; is that just a movie thing? Serious question. I'm back at 2016 vid's, so maybe there are some I haven't found yet.
J S underwater comms are a thing. They don’t work necessarily the same way you see on movies such as 47 meters down. But it’s the same basic idea. I do not have comms of my own so I do not know much about them. I do not know if APS has any videos
often with the swivel first stage, the swivel action decreases once it is under pressure when the tank is opened. So make sure it is lined up properly before you open your tank.
When pressurized, the movement is stiffer but to me, much better to have a swivel regardless.
A
Hi Alec, I found your videos as I have recently started scuba diving. I have just purchased my first kit and had my dive instructor set it up for me. I realized that he set up the octopus on the left. I have only had about 30 dives but seemed to remember the Octopus always being on the right side with the primary second. Likewise, most of PADI videos show the Octopus on the right. When I asked my friend about it, he said that he always keeps the Octopus on the left so that it doesn't interfere with your own primary. I see you also setup on the right. When checking the forums, it seems like there is no real consensus on which side. Can you talk about advantages or disadvantages of putting it on one side or the other?
Generally you have 4 hoses (maybe 5 if you have a dry suit) on a standard reg set-up. The primary comes off at the top right; the BCD inflator comes off at the top left; the SPG comes off at the bottom left and the safe second comes off at the bottom right. That's the standard and most common set-up. It's the way most agencies recommend; it's the most convenient, the least likely to cause conflicts and is what most divers, like your buddy, would expect to see.
There was a controversy about right-hand or left-hand safe seconds for a while when they first became common but I've not faced that question for a long time. Standardization is important for safety and the safe second certainly is considered safety equipment. That is, it ought to be in the same place on every diver so every other diver knows where it is.
Some new agencies are training differently but that's based on their own theory of how divers act in an emergency. No one can predict that action. A standard set-up would address that issue better than "other" ideas. That is, if every diver had the same set-up, every diver would be familiar with it and work with it. Sometimes different agencies, particularly new ones that are trying to break into the scuba training market, figure that they should have a different approach to some things so they stand out from the other agencies. That's not a bad idea provided that different approach doesn't affect diver safety.
I don't see the safe second hanging on a long hose down your right side and attached to a tear-away clip on your chest causing any interference with your primary which ought to be in your mouth 100% of the time.
However, there is no law or rule so provided your buddy orients his dive partner to his off-beat set-up and actually practices the deployment of the right-hand safe second before dive, it's not a bg issue.
Hope this helps.
Dive safe.
Alec
Hey Alec, what is your opinion on using a short hose to connect the wireless (hum...) transmitter to the first stage? Would adding pieces increase the risk of failure? This is mostly to avoid grabbing the transmitter to hold the tank/bc/reg... as I have heard the transmitter could break.
It's not a dumb idea but maybe a bit over the top.
No one would pick up a tank by the regulator much less the transmitter.
No one touches my tank/reg but me.
And those transmitters ae very tough. I doubt they could even be broken intentionally. In 20 years of servicing them, I've never seen a broken one
Using a short HP hose for your transmitter does add an additional O-Ring (the weak spot in the entire system) plus a hose.
Alec
Alec Peirce Scuba good! One less headache! Thanks as always for your advices.
what is your opinion in Coultri c70 reg it is cheep and I think it suits my budget for my first set of gear?
I don't know that specific model but Coultri gear is well made.
I assume you have a local dealer for service.
Good luck and thanks for watching.
Alec
I see that you mounted your transmitter on the right side. You wear your computer on your right wrist? I can see the advantages of that but as a newbie, using the left on your BC hose. I feel more comfortable with it on my left like watches I have worn my whole life. Should I train myself differently? Any comments on that? Thanks so much for taking the time to explain.
Oh, as for computer failure, my instructors/dive shop swear on having two computers. If no back up, they are saying that you need to refrain form diving the whole next day. That would really suck after flying to dive resort for only a few days. Comments on that too?
A backup dive computer is nice to have for experienced or rich divers. One will do fine as how many computers have you seen fail vs broken masks, fin straps, o-rings, etc? Left or right mounting is your preference, both work fine. Some use right so on ascent they can monitor with the right while venting with the left hand. Thanks for watching Matt and hope this helps.
Can you do an episode on what you look for in a dive computer, and why?
+Dan Bowkley
A good idea. I'll do it.
Thanks for watching.
Alec
Hi Alec! Quick question: I'm trying to have both an AI transmitter and SPG connected into my first stage for performance's sake, the manual said the transmitter should be facing the side which I wear- left -so that the dive computer is within range. Is there a way to have both the spg and transmitter on the left side? Thanks in advance :)
Tough. Only with a HP splitter which is hard to find. I don't like them.
The transmitter and hose will stick out a long ways from the reg body.
I don't think it's a problem having the transmitter on the right side.
They suggest the left side assuming you wear your dive computer on the left arm and they want it as close as possible. I don't know what they expect left-handed divers to do.
In any event, we're talking 3" here. If 3" makes the transmitter unworkable, you need to change brands!
Try it on the right. If you have no problems, I'm a hero.
Good luck.
Alec
Thank you for the reply! I'll be diving in the next fews days. Hopefully it'll work! :)
I have a bluetooth sender unit for pressure but also a standard analogue spg. Why? Redundancy AND that instructors or buddies like to sneak a look at your air. They can't do this if you just use your computer for remaining air.
Hi Alec, quick question: what hoses do you use on your regs? I've begun researching 'miflex' hoses and have heard mixed reviews so far (the connection of the hose to the fitting is prone to failure, apparently). I've been noticing jaw fatigue recently and I was hoping these hoses would help if they're safe enough. Would they work with my B2 swivel? Do you have a recommendation on a brand? Thank you!
There were some problems with Miflex hoses about 3 years ago but that has been completely cleared up. They are the biggest and best known brand. We've been using them for a couple of years now on dozens of reg systems,
including my own, and there has not been a single issue. Our regs are dived in freezing cold and very hot water too. The Miflex hose is more flexible than the other brands we carry and the High Pressure hose is really nice - very thin and very flexible.
I think you'll find them perfect for relieving any jaw problems. It's as close to "no-hose" as you can get.
I can't say for sure about the Atomic swivel fit. I'd guess yes but would have to check first. See what you can find in the XS Scuba website. They have all the Miflex hoses listed.
Good luck and thanks for watching. Alec
Alec, your regulator loks like a really nice low-profile regulator and I also like your Safety 2nd, which brand are those ? Thank you........really enjoy your videos !!
My own regulator is a Oceanic ZEO + FDXI. I like the white.
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter Thanks Alec.......I like the white too !! Keep up the good work, love your videos.
On a first stage where the yoke meets the rest of the first stage at a right angle (like the example in the video) should the long end be up or down? Or does it not really matter?
The orientation of the 1st stage is reversible, but the hoses have to be changed so the 2nd stage is on the right. Not sure if there is something else your asking about.
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I had no problem hooking up all my hoses except my cressi consol ( mini 2). It appears the connector is larger than the other connectors on my regulator, BCD hose, and octopus. Do you have any advise?
The connector, that is, the threaded end that fits into a port (hole) on the regulator, is bigger on your console for a reason - so you don't put it into a Low Pressure port. Worse would be if you put a Low Pressure hose (reg, safe second or BCD) into a high pressure port!
Check to be sure that you are trying to fit the console hose into a port that is marked HP. It's usually on the side of the regulator in a little different place than the other ports for your other hoses. Those are all Low Pressure ports and usually don't have any markings.
Let me know how you make out.
Alec
Thank you for your help. You were absolutely correct. I did not see that marking until you told me about it. It appears to be the only one marked HP. Will there be more than 1?
...oops.. l learn very much from each. I really appreciate that. I'm an open water 1 diver in Manistee, Mich and got my dive card in 1990 but not much diving in Lake Mich. No air tank place that l can find nearby (+ hour away) so l'd like to know a quality brand air compresser l could buy for noncommercial purposes. Also if you would let me know your take between gas or electric that would be super. I'm looking to spend $300-$450 if doable. I'm looking right now if you've already addressed this issue in one of your previous talks. If so no need to respond, l don't want to be a bother. Just mostly wrote to say hi and encourage your efforts. Thanks again for your very informative videos. Best wishes underwater!
Thanks.
I'm afraid you won't get much for $300!! The least expensive, decent compressor is something like the Coltri MCH6 which is well over $2000. There may be smaller ones for less money but it would take a long time to fill even 1 tank and I'm not sure if they would be dependable.
Re gas or electric, it depends on what you do with it. If you want to take it to dive sites, it will have to be gas. Gas is more expensive, noisier & costs more to run & maintain. If you do not intend to carry it with you, definitely choose electric.
Hope this helps. Alec
Are you part of the Michigan Scuba Divers Facebook group?
Also, talk to your local volunteer fire department, offer the buy the fitting and pay them a little each fill.
8:00 You can rotate the first stage to make it actually shorter. For me that's the advantage of swivel regulators, especially when you're using two regulator on your tank. You adapt them to what suits you.
09:50 My bad x)
I like a swivel. It can reduce the tug on the mouthpiece when you turn your head and it does speed up the reg mounting.
It's not necessary but it is a nice feature.
Alec
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter I suspect that having the new light weight flexible hoses, negates the advantage of the swivel/turret reg.
Don't mean to bother is the m200 scubapro first stage good one
Scubapro is a fine maker of reg and lots of other gear. I don't get into personal recommendations because there is no 'best' reg. There is what you want or can afford, not always the same Rosco.
Can you please provide more information on the regulators demonstrated in the video? Thanks!
The first reg in the video, my own, is an Oceanic Zeo. It's a top line reg with all the features you'd ever want. It's light, small, high-flow, balanced, sealed - just about perfect, especially for travel. The second stage is also very small and light too and it features a 360 swivel hose, breathing adjustment and venturi.
The other regulator is a Sherwood SR2. It's a common design and almost identical to the Scubapro MK25. It is a high-flow piston design, rugged, reliable, easy to service and of course, as you saw, it has a first stage swivel for the hoses.
Both regs, as with almost all good regulators today, have 4 low pressure ports for second stages and inflator hoses plus 2 high pressure ports for gauges.
I hope this is the info you wanted.
Thanks for watching. Alec
Do you think I can find a basic regulator setup for less than 500 dollars?
You should be able to get a brand name regulator and a good Safe Second for less than $500.
Look at the Oceanic Alpha with an XS Scuba Alt Air. They are both solid, simple units that will give you years of good service.
There are probably others too.
Alec
good point about the depth gauge :D
BTW is it possible to suggest us about priorities for buying equipment's?
I used to rent the equipment and go diving, after i get my CMAS one star diver certificate i had this feeling that it is the time to use my own equipment's. (at least for personal equipment's like "Demand" (Primary), Mask and Fins, regulator, dive computer.) but because i don't dive too often and by considering the high price's in my country i decide to buy the equipment's by priority.
but buying the equipment for beginners is some how difficult because i don't know what i should get to meet my requirements.
for example there are different type of Reg's and i don't know which one is suitable for me.
for other equipment's such as dive computer, fins, masks, boots and BCD's also this problem exists.
So please suggest us the priority equipment's and how to choose the equipment's by considering that it should be transportable (because we don't have nearby sea and we have to pick a flight), beginners edition, affordable.
Thanks a lot
+Foad Pouraghajan
Good idea. I'll do that soon Foad.
Thanks for watching. Alec
Not just for beginners! I'm an instructor and I still learn something from Alec every time I watch his videos!
Great. Glad that instructors can pick up tips from this old guy.
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If you have a swivel regulator (Atomic), would you recommend using the last setup you showed? I'm 5'11". Thank you!
It's totally a preference selection. Some like swivels on 2nd and 1st stage for minimum hose pull. Best to try them in dive shop to make sure you like the feel. Sometimes a slightly longer 2nd stage hose helps too.
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im 6 foot and still prefer swivel down config. but is completely personal prefference.
Hi Alec, I was thinking about upgrading my hoses to flex hoses and was planning on getting a green flex hose for my primary regulator to match my fins and a yellow for my safe second. Is that ok to do or is it a no no because of the colors that signify nitrox? I’m not nitrox certified....yet.
Go for it. While there are some color interpretations that should be considered, like the Hi-Vis Yellow for your safe second, everything thing else is open to your imagination.
Green primary second stage is not that uncommon.
Some diehard Happy Gas users (Nitorx) might object but only the yellow octo is standard.Have fun.
Alec
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Thanks for the advice. I had a tech guy snap at me for considering buying a green hose yesterday so that was why I asked. I value your opinion more than his so I’ll be getting the hose I want :) thanks!
Green is used to mark EANx tanks and some 'tech guys' as you call them, think they own green.
They have green regulator faces, green hose protectors, green mouthpieces, green hoses, green dust caps and a lot more.
If a tank has a green/yellow banner on it then it MIGHT be a Nitrox tank. It could also have nothing but air in it or it may have BEEN a NItrox tank but is now only for air and the diver never removed the banner.
So it's just an indicator - nothing legal nor ever necessary about green at all.
Go crazy with your green.
Alec
Thanks a ton Mr. Pierce. Keep the videos coming, I’ve learned a ton from watching your videos!
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter Good point. You have no idea what's in the tank today. That's why they teach: Always Analyze! :)
Alec, I have a very nice Mask that is getting old. May be I didn't clean it properly last time and now it looks like there is salt on it that won't go away. Do you have any advice of how to clean it, please?
Many of the new masks can be taken apart. Be careful because some will come apart but you can't get them back together without a big, special press!
If you can get the plastic edge off, usually colored, that holds the skirt to the main frame off, then you can soak and scrub each piece. Otherwise just soak the whole mask in hot soapy water for a while and take a toothbrush to it.
Even the indestructible silicon skirts will turn dirty yellow and even brown eventually unless you keep them clean, dry and in a bag. The yellowing is partly dirt and also UV rays.
It's not an uncommon problem Jose. We offered a mask cleaning service at our store. For about $6 we'd make your mask look as new as possible. Check your local dive store to see if they'd do that for you. Many dive stores don't do it because they've simply never thought about it.
Alec
Hi Alec, thanks for quick response. I will try the hot soapy water and the toothbrush. I am so excited about the next live aboard that any thing related to keep me busy is a lot of fun. Your channel is great and I am learning plenty of things from it, thanks a lot!
This guy smoked me on the 5’8 junior diver comment Lmaoo
Glad you liked it Lawrence.
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Me too ....
where did you buy your hoses and how can I get them
Every dive store should carry rubber and the new myflex light weight hoses. Visit your local dive shop, pick the length, colour and purpose (high or low pressure), and get their service pro to install and test. If your handy and smart, you can do it yourself but always test before diving. Thanks for watching.
Hi Alec- many thanks for the outstanding series- I've learned a lot from you. One question about dry suits: in this video you say the dry suit inflator hose goes on the left. Here in Monterey, CA, where the water temp is about 52 degrees, everybody wears dry suits. But very often I see inflator hoses come around and under the right arm. Are they making a mistake?
Not at all. Quite frankly, it doesn't matter (at least it doesn't matter to me) how you hook up your gear so long as it works for you. Reg hose on the right? Someone decided that arbitrarily. If you have a side exhaust reg you can run the hose around your left shoulder and it will work fine. Tank valve on the bottom (down at your butt instead of up at your neck) will work. Some vintage systems were like that.
However, the way gear is designed and normally used is probably best particularly if your buddy has to give you a hand underwater.
A dry suit hose is really inconsequential in the grand scheme. It is of no concern in an emergency and is never shared so you can run it anyway you like. I think under the left arm is most common only because it won't interfere with the vital Safe Second. Most drysuit valves rotate so the hose can come in at any angle. Heck, run it straight down and up through your crotch if you like. I'll laugh but it will work!
Some regs don't have a lot LP ports and you have limited choices.
Thanks for watching.
Alec
That makes a lot of sense. Many thanks for the guidance!
Does a dive shop have to switch your regulator setup? Or is it something you could do yourself
One of my videos deals with changing the hoses on a regulator. It's easy. Just go slowly and be careful not to overtighten the fitting.
Alec
You can easily do it yourself. However if you are not confident or want reassurance, by all means ask your dive shop to do it. Better yet, ask them to show you how, so you can be confident next time in doing it yourself.
What is importance of hp output n what is to attach to it apart from transmitter
High Pressure outlets are for tank monitoring, either a hose computer or connecting a transmitter. That is all its used for so generally there are 2 HP ports in a 1st stage.
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter thanks alec cos i am gone which is balanced has only one hp n four lp thanks
I have an aqualung legend 1st stage. Kept hitting my head turned it upside down and switched the hosed and works great.
Glad to hear that Abbie. Learned something new from an old guy!
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It's interesting how different countries teach scuba diving. Where I live, the norm is regulator and pressure gauge on the right, and safe second and BC inflator on the left. That's how it's taught anyways, because legally you can do whatever you want as long as you have the necessary gear. I've learned that safe seconds don't necessarly have to be yeallow (which to me is an aberration, they're supposed to be easily seen). In general, I'm not a fan of "all black" divers, beacause they're hard to find. For safety reasons, I like my buddies to be visible, recreational diving isn't a special forces operation!
It sounds like you have your head on straight.
The primary is almost invariably on the right. Most regs are right-hand design. They actually won't work from the left side.
And the BCD LP hose is always on the left since that's where the BCD inflator is.
As for the other 2 hoses, SPG and Safe Second, it's a personal preference
Note that many regs have a HP port only on the left side.
Provided you and your buddy are familiar with each other's gear so there's no delay, no confusion underwater, do what you want.
Alec
oh, wow, very interesting! May I ask you where are you from? I've been diving in several different parts of the world, meeting people from all over but I never eared of such a configuration! Always saw/used the one he's showing or the hogarthian one.
Hi, I'm from France! @@un_lucio I've never been diving in any other part of the world! That's the basic setup I've been taught since I started scuba diving. I can't tell what's best, but I can say It doesn't change a lot when you're using two regulatorss like I do ;)
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter Kind response, now that you mention it, I realize that regs mostly have a HP port on the left side. I've never really thought about it, but a second look at my Aqua Lung Titan and Titan Lx confirms your sayings. By the way, Alec, you might get me into vintage diving. Though I'm not old enough to have witnessed it, I might experience it thanks to you. Dive safe!
I dive an "all black" setup. When diving with a new buddy, I always get them up to speed on how to share air. It's simple, I donate my primary. If I don't see you, take it out of my mouth.😂 my backup is on a necklace, where I know it is at all times. The benefit is that I will always donate a working air source. I think this is the most important takeaway from "DIR" diving. Most divers buy a cheaper, and inferior regulator for their donation system. As a result they never use them, and, if you are lucky check them once on a dive day. I run the same second stage for both. I also rotate them from primary, to secondary periodically. To me it is of the utmost importance that the diver who is in an emergency gets a working gas supply. If my second isn't working, that buys time for buddy breathing to happen. Would you appreciate your buddy giving you a cheap regulator that doesn't work in an OOA situation?
What dive computer do you use?
An Oceanic wrist mount which give all the many models owned over the last decades makes it probably number 30 overall!
Anybody use thread tape when setting up your regulator?
Not anymore. The o-ring is what seals, not metal on metal. Vintage scuba tank threads were tapered and needed tape back then.
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Alec, I understand that you dive only with a wireless transmitter for your air-integrated dive computer. Some do not consider this safe and dive with a hp hose connected SPG as a backup in case their transmitter fails or drops connection from the computer while in the water. You spoke about this briefly in the video but can you comment further on this please?
+Jeff Greenfield I run a wireless transmitter but will ALWAYS use a backup SPG. Batteries and computers can fail and SPG's are cheap for an extra piece of mind. Also if you move your computer to the wrong spot it will loose signal with the transmitter and take 30 seconds to re-connect.
+madrx2, the issues you mention are exactly what I was implying in my post above. Personally, my dive computer is not air integrated...so don't have either the advantage or concerns that come with diving with one that is air integrated.
Sorry I was speed reading. Also interested in Alec's opinion. Happy diving.
+Jeff Greenfield
If you had asked this question even as recently as 2 years ago I would have agreed completely. However, modern (new) dive computers are 99.9% reliable which BTW, puts them much higher in reliability than analog gauges. I have never dropped connection on my OCi that I know of. I don't spend the entire dive watching my computer so it might have happened. My point is that it's not an issue anymore. They are also good for as much as 10' so, provided your wrist is within 10' of your head, they're good. Some air integrated computers can be used to monitor the air supply of up to 6 other divers - students for example. Clearly distance is not an issue.
If you were diving with an SPG only and it failed you would simply end the dive and surface safely. Why is it such a big deal with a computer? If it fails, surface.
In an effort to make my system as compact and light as possible I do not keep an SPG on it. If you feel more comfortable with it, then wear one by all means. It's small. Perhaps I have less faith in SPGs than you. I have used an SPG since they first came out in 1962. The first one was developed by Sam Lecocque of Sportsways. Sam is a good friend and now lives in Mexico with his lovely wife Debbie. SPGs are great and really made the sport much safer but reliable - NOT!
+Scuba 2000 Thanks for a great and thorough response. Just to clear the air, I don't have a bias one way or the other...I was just looking for an expanded discussion on the practice of diving with just a transmitter. It is a topic that has come up a few times among active divers in the sub aqua club I am a member of. One of the reasons why it is not an issue that I have a decided opinion about is because I currently dive with a computer that does not have the air integration feature (Suunto Vyper). It is good to know that the kinks of the integrated computers have been worked out and their reliability is so good...it is a feature I am interested in for that time when I will need to shop for a replacement...but with a family which all 4 of us dive (each of us have our own computer), I am hoping that my computer lasts a few more years so we can spend that money on dive trips or other stuff to keep us in the water. Cheers!!!
What is your rig ?
A nice modern setup. I don't mention brand names because some may think I am endorsing it over others. That's why I don't share specifics of my own gear as I have several sets for different purposes, warm water, cold water, vintage diving.