What Are The Differences Between a Torque Converter and a Centrifugal Clutch?
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- čas přidán 28. 03. 2018
- This video will describe the differences and how a torque converter and centrifugal clutch works for your go cart or minibike.
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The mechanism with the belt is called a CVT technically. That stands for continuously variable transmission. However, I call it a torque converter because that's what 99% of people in the go cart and minibike world call it. I know what the torque converter is. It is a fluid filled enclosed mechanism that is an automatic transmission cars.Please stop commenting that I'm wrong.
Good job bud, don’t worry about the numpties!
And John you forgot to mention that an auto torque convertor can multiply peak stall torque upto 2.6:1 times via internal finned angled vanes.Trev🇳🇿😎New Zealand home of the world's fastest old Indian 😇
@@trevinskiking2165 thanks for the info!
@@JohnWheels No worries,....you can get similar effect to the 'Holeshot' Auto hotrod converters by putting those heavier weight springs in the centrifugal clutch, cheaters simple way of revving it up & dropping the clutch at a more favourable higher revs before engagement.Cheers Trev. If you want a little more get up & go but a convertor is out of your price reach.Simple speed tip for the price of 2 or 3 springs. Trev💪
Awesome video man. You made it very simple and easy to understand. Better then some adults can! Keep up the good work!
Thank you so much!
John Wheels thank you bud!
StupidTeenageVideos great job
I've been looking for a torque converter explanation for so long and you explained it very well! Thank you, John!
Thank you Daniel!
You made this very simple and easy to understand. I have watched a few videos that have shown the conversion of a clutch to a converter, but they never explained the difference. Well done!
Excellent explanation. Straight forward and simple. Thank you!
Thanks for clearing that up. Great video, straight to the point and easy to follow. Well explained
Answered MANY questions! Brilliant demonstration. Thanks a ton, keep up the good work!!
I love working on these things. Learned alot over time and its fun
That's great to hear!
Well done mate. You explained that well. Top job.
Couldn't have made this video any better, good work dude 👍
Thank you!
Best vid on YT... straight to the point
Very good video young man. Keep up the good work!
Dude this was sweet that was enough Info for me to move forward !
That was great - I knew the difference as far as one converted the torque from the crankshaft and the other simply used centrifugal force from the crank shaft - but not to the level of understanding that you provided in very easy terms to understand - thank you!
Great work young man, excellent explanation, dont worry about some people's comments, they cant appreciate that you are helping novices like me get a basic understanding, good job and keep posting.
Actually helped a lot, thanks!
Awesome Josh - just what I needed to know. Thank your parents for me.
Great explanation! Great video, keep up the good work!
That was a great video. I definitely learned something at didn’t know before. Thanks!
Great vid man! You explained that very well.
You explained this much better than my automotive professor! You're talented brother thank you!
Well done young man!
Great job explaining the differences, well done video, keep it up! :)
Great video... Straight to the point. Thank you
Excellent explanation, thank you.
Great vid. You explained it very well.
Very informative! Thanks man. Been wondering how both of them types of transmissions work.
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Great video!! Keep it up, young man!!
Very helpful little dude!
Very good video, now I see how it works, thanks a lot 👏👏👏👏👏👏
Thanks buddy! We are homeschooling a bunch of kids and that helped a lot with us building our Go-Karts...
great job! thanks John good info.
Hi from Australia , good video !!
Great video. I learned something. Thanks
Good video John. Keep up the good work 👍
Thank you!
Nice and easy to understand thank you
Thanks! Great job 👍
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Best explaination on youtube!
nice video explaining the difference
This helped a lot
This is cvt.....means continuous variable transmission
Yessir, thanks for watching!
Great video!
super dude makes it simple thanks!
Thank you for sharing
had a seized driver clutch (wouldn't move back in) and didn't know why, this really helped me understand the mechanism.
Yea you can probably take it apart and wire brush any rust that might be in the driver, or you can just buy a new one for cheap on eBay.
very help full thank you
It is actually a Continuously Variable Transmission, not a torque converter which is kind of fluid coupling with torque amplifying capability. Transmission do change the output torque (via speed differences between input and output) but the torque converter changes torque in a very different way. A centrifugal clutch has similar function as the torque converter, that is to engage/ disengage engine from transmission. For some reasons some people call CVT a torque converter while it is completely different from an actual torque converter. You can't compare transmission and clutch because they have different functions and are not interchangeable. What you have here is a CVT with a centrifugal clutch.
You nailed it.
Yeah this is like the same 2 rotation system as a cvt. And also great description I think it’s worth a sub 😄
Alex Christian , Thank you! I’ve heard from the internet that they are called both torque converters (Unlike a car one) and cvts.
John Wheels yeah I think your right
Iv always said, just buy what fits your budget. Yes the torque converter is better but if you want something cheap to bash around your local field on then the clutch will work just fine. It's all comes down to your build. No point putting a $140 part on a $80 go kart lol.. Great vid tho, very easily understood :)
I got mine for $60 bucks on amazon, but I agree. Thanks for watching.
Thank you !
Great video
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Great vid
thanks for this!!!
Need to spot weld that bolt going to the engine. Spot weld it to the dish slide. It's mild steel. Don't worry about taking it off. You can grind it back to factory. Get the Kevlar belt to make it last longer.
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That you so much! You're very nice!
Great job, young'en... Great to see youth playing around with internal combustion engines, like used to. So much fun...
excelent video!!
Thank you
Very cool vid
Only thing I hate about what a lot of people call a torque converter is that they don't include a motorcycle sprocket mount on the back side of the driven unit to allow for re-powering any kind of motorcycle basically the shaft that the driven unit bolts to needs to be longer and sticks out the back by at least 1 to 2 inches and is made to allow it to have a motorcycle sprocket attached to it and drive the motorcycle's rear wheel.
Thanks for showing telling, I am learning I think the tor,ver I’ll go with that. I’ve tried the old way never the new way so I’ll try that thanks again for showing telling see ya next time see ya bye.
My friend bought a Chinese torque converter for 30 bucks off of Wish. It came in a month later but it still works ever since he ordered it 4 years ago.
Do i have to oil or grease my torque converter every 24 hours of use? And where do I specifically apply the oil?
I’ve never oiled mine before, but I’d say oil between the pulley and the brass bushing. Just don’t get any on the surface the belt rides or it wont engage.maybe oil the internals of the drive pulley if u want but don’t take my word on this because I’m just not quite sure. Sorry.
I've had issues with my torque converter belt getting hot and slipping after about an hour of use, do clutches let you go at higher speeds longer? Also its after an hour of hitting top speed
Clutches tend to get hotter and slippery more. If you are running a cover over the torque converter, take it off for airflow and cooling
thank you for explaining this, would a Torque Converter be good for a small dirt bike?
Usually small dirt bikes have engines with transmissions built into them. But if you used a predator or a Briggs & Stratton type engine, you could use a torque converter, I just recommend getting an engine that is fit for the bike though.
Can this be done on Trail Wagon sxs John? We have no low end and looking at different ways to improve that. I believe what we have is a standard centrifugal clutch set up like a snow mobile.
This will be way too weak for a sxs. I would try just lowering the gear ratio.
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I need a belt n i dont know were to get one can u please help me thank you
If you have a bolt on kit with the backing plate, this will be your size: www.amazon.com/Drive-Replaces-Manco-Comet-203589/dp/B016E23ZOK/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?adgrpid=60089513030&gclid=Cj0KCQjw_r3nBRDxARIsAJljleFhuviYSLjWOD3M0d1PgrpIQR8ISwhMVaF7SeBJTGA9LEHEjyTwA2waArZyEALw_wcB&hvadid=274745718421&hvdev=m&hvlocphy=9005950&hvnetw=g&hvpos=1t1&hvqmt=e&hvrand=2323724616286003525&hvtargid=kwd-540948542872&hydadcr=24294_9911348&keywords=203589%2F5959&qid=1559245893&s=gateway&sr=8-4
if you have a jack shaft set up, you will have to watch a video on how to measure for ur size but The link will most likely be your size.
Gopowersports .com. Real good people
Can you change slider weights and springs insids the CVT like you can on a scooter CVt? Great video
Yes, you can. I do t know a ton about it but I think you can buy weights and springs on gopowersports.com
Please update how you hook the torque converter
Good job kid. 30+ year old guy just learned from you.
Question? If I put the black max torque spring in my clutch for my mini bike which I have from the stock is 3100 rpms which is what the new spring is rated at does it matter if the rpms on that spring are way higher than my minu bikes engine rpm which is 1600 because it doesn't seem to have made a huge difference even with a smaller sprocket my dad thinks that spring is too much for the engine to handle so its bit doing it much good for speed or torque because the engine can't handle it can you help out on this?
I'm sorry, I don't know a whole lot about actually changing the springs as I've never done it before. Usually for me, just messing with rear sprocket size is all the tuning I do and the factory springs in my torque converter seem to do just fine. good luck with your project though.
@@JohnWheels thanks!
Don't know why people call them torque converters that not what it is it's a CVT style of Transmission better than a centrifugal clutch because a CVT has a wide range of gear ratios available in one system where as a centrifugal clutch only has one gear ratio and and that is determined by the sprockets used that is why scooter's have been using CVT's for decades now they can take a 3.5 to 5 horsepower engine that a 50cc through 150cc engine put it a scooter and a person weighing 200 pounds can get it to 30 to 75 mph but if they use a centrifugal clutch with the same engine's used would only achieve a top speed of 20 mph no matter what they do to improve the engine displacement or performance.
can change the sprocket :P to go faster then 20mph :)
If I have a tight enough chain and don’t want to buy a new one can the torque converter swap a centrifugal clutch in the same exact spot? Or is it slightly different?
No, you would have to buy another chain. The torque converter uses the chain coming from the back pulley and the centrifugal clutch uses the chain coming right off the crankshaft where the front pulley is on the torque converter. So, if you wanted to switch you would beed a new chain. Just note that I usually recommend torque converter's over centrifugal clutches so I might not recommend switching them out.
@@JohnWheels oh good thing is I already ordered a new chain 😁 thanks!
Thankyou very much. Now i know. I guess i need a tc on my Manco. Since your so knowledgeable on these maters let me ask you a ?. I just bought a predator 212 and it has the EPA emblem on the box, how can i utilize a stage 1 performance kit from gomo? I really want the exhaust and air filter to get that tuned look and sound.
TheJohnnyairgun, Thanks for watching! I have a stage 1 kit and love it. They sell stage one kits on Go Power Sports.com With emissions, the engine will no longer be legal for California, but since go karts are not street legal in the first place you should be just fine. The EPA stuff is for commercial equipment. You might want a muffler if you live in a neighborhood though, so your neighbors dont get mad (also sold on go power sports). For the kit to really shine though, I would also recommend 18 pound valve springs and removing the governor. I'm not quite sure what Gomo is though, sorry. Glad to help.
Don't click the auto link, search go power sports on google
@@JohnWheels Thats what i ment. Go powersports. The reason i asked about the stage one kit is on the website it says wont work with the epa motors. I think because you have to re-jet the carb, but im curious what would happen if i did anyways.
Any Honda 6.5 horsepower clone should work. It might be legal stuff for California.
I think you are right about jetting the carb. Still put it in though, otherwise it will run badly.
Would a 30 series torque converter work on a 301cc..??
As long as it's a one inch diameter shaft. I believe they are
awesome, just what I needed to know! I'm kind of a visual guy, the wikipedia entry won't do it for me...
I ask is the black gear you unplug is how much money
There are two little black gears included in the kit. One is #35 chain and one is #40/41/420 chain pitch.
So is the chain that connect from the torque converter to the sprocket that rotates the wheel a 420 chain?
It can be 420 or 35. I have 420, but look for a torque converter that has both a 420 and 35 When you buy it.
@@JohnWheels that's a 10 or 12 tooth right?
420 is 10. 35 is 12
@@JohnWheels thank you!
Is a torque converter more durable? I had a kymco scooter before and it had what I thought was both but it couldn’t idle so I’d have to jump on start and go. Either way I’m doing research because I’d like to build a mini bike. Something with enough pull to get me going closer to 45mph. Great video you are a fantastic teacher.
Thank you a torque converter will let you go a bit faster, but I'm guessing the bad idle might be because of a gummed up carberator. Make sure all the jets are clear and then you can have a regular idle and not have to jump on it. It's normal to want to creep forward a little, but it shouldn't try to run away. The 45 mph you want can be best achieved by putting on a smaller rear sprocket. Hopefully this helped, I try my best to help, but forgive me if I'm wrong.
Hello, can you switch from a centrifugal converter to a torque converter?? I do have a Subaru robin engine with a centrifugal clutch
Yes, I'm pretty sure you can, but You MIGHT need engine risers if the torque converter hits the frame, (check with the Torque converter on first) thus longer chain. It depends on your frame. You can use 2 pieces of 1" square tube, drill holes, and use longer bolts for risers. With your engine, you'll also need to trim a little off the torque converter backing plate. You can do it with a grinder or big file. Grinders are $15 at harbor freight and are a great tool. (shown in video) Cars and cameras did a video:
czcams.com/video/ceE8vgb2fwY/video.html
This riser kit will work if you bore out one hole on each riser, if you need risers:
www.gopowersports.com/engine-riser-kit
Also, most importantly check your crankshaft size when buying a torque converter, it might be 3/4" or 1" (measure it) to know what torque converter kit to get
Also 7/8." If it's not one of those three sizes, there will be no torque converter's available. Then, the torque converter will not fit on your particular engine. The predator engines have three-quarter inch which is the most common and they're only 100 bucks at Harbor freight. If you want, you could grind down the shaft until it is three-quarter inch with a grinder while the engine is running, but I would not recommend that
Ive been trying to get one on my 212cc predator "Your motor will just blow cause your basically adding more torque in a small engine" is this true
No. Torque isn't going to backfeed into the engine nor is it going to make more torque than it is capable of. All a torque converter does is keep the engine power driving whatever it is driving in the most effective gear ratio. Without it you have a choice of power down low (such as taking off on a minibike from a stop) higher speed with loss of that or some compromise between the 2. This is why a lot of the vintage mopeds that didn't have variated transmissions (some did) relied on pedal assist for starting out and climbing hills
I’m
Putting together a go kart with the predator 301 (8hp). What size torque converter do I need? And what will be the main differences in performance compared to using a clutch?
With a 301, it has a 1" crankshaft so you'll need a 40 series torque converter. (Sold at go power sports) With a bigger motor like that clutches will be more expensive and will slip a lot. Sorry for the late response
Hello Ive become interested in these engines and my question is; what is the difference between 30 series,40 series and so on? Thank you
Alexander Ellis 30 series is for 3/4” shafts and 6.5 hp motors or under. About 200cc 40 series is for 1” shafts and for 9hp engines and up. About 340cc and up
@@JohnWheels Thank you very much man .😁
Where did you get this torque converter from?
Amazon. 70$
How long does it take for a torque converter to wear out and what parts of it usually wears out besides the belt?.
I've had my torque converter for years and all I've had to replace are belts
What size engine and will this work for a bicycle setup
Mine is a 212cc engine. This won't fit a bicycle. However, They do sell complete motorized bike kits. This will bolt right on.
www.amazon.com/YaeCCC-Bicycle-2-Stroke-Mountain-Motorized/dp/B073NX3MXV
@@JohnWheels I have a 212 as well. Regular clutch. I top out at 50. What do you top out at with that torque converter?
Lont Mac I get around 45, but you have to remember that my kart is a very heavy 2 seater with a roll cage and a 10 tooth gear on the Torque converter and 60 Tooth sprocket. Mine could go faster with a smaller sprocket.
What would you recommend on a go kart going to be used around the street grass and track
Maybe track
Torque converter for street and grass definitely. It’ll still be good on the track
John Wheels ok thanks what brand which torque converter you would you recommend for a 60t 41,420,40chain sprocket on a 212cc predator
Basically u can get the cheap ones on amazon or eBay. They’re all the same, or you can get the gopowersports one which is high quality but double the price. I have the cheap one and it’s been fine but If u really want long lasting get gopowersports.
John Wheels ok thank you so much
My new clutch drum is going to cost more than a whole Torque converter. I may have miscalculated somewhere along the line😒. A pro who owns one of the biggest companies in the industry once told me a torque converter is great if you want to ride in a parade but clutches are what you want to win races. Torque converters stay under constant slip and load, clutches are open or closed therefore producing heat only when they are in the process of engaging. Clutches are designed to cool fully engaged or disengaged. The heat created by both is dispersed through the engine crank which directly effects internal engine temperature. Hot engines aren't good for racing. That's what was explained to me.
Do what you want but I find torque converters are way better than standard centrifugal clutches. Race clutches are better than both though, but very expensive
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Nice informative video very useful for someone who is new. I f we fit this in a royal Enfield 1996 taurus diesel engine how will the transmission work because it has a separate gear box so how am I suppose to work on that or just let it sit idle and make it an auto connect like yours could pls elaborate me on that coz here in Asia there no such thing for a diesel engine. Thanx for sharing.
Im sorry but I'm not too sure about cars but this clutch is rated for 10 horsepower and is meant for go kart and minibikes so I think it won't work. Thanks for tuning in though. Sorry I can't answer.
@@JohnWheels no sir what I'm trying to ask was I have a bullet a motorcycle not a car and I wanted to fit this into that.
I'm sorry, I don't really know. Sorry to disappoint
For a motorcycle, a 40 series or 780 torque converter might be better
So will the centrifugal clutch go the same speed? Or if not how much will it reduce the speed?
It will be about 5mph slower on an on road go kart. With an off road go kart, It will burn up and go very slow, because it has too much weight to move around.
Hey John. Slower than what? compared with an enigne that has a CTV? I want to make sure I understand which setup its slower. Will this CTV work under the rain? thank you!
Slower than the cvt. Both systems don’t work very well in the rain, but the cvt comes with a cover for it. Sorry I’m late
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Nice vid. What's the difference between a 30 & a 40 series tc?
30 series has a 3/4 inch shaft drive pulley, and 40 series have a 1 inch shaft drive pulley. 30 can handle a modded 6.5 horse, no more, and a 40 series can handle about 20 horsepower.
@@JohnWheels Thanks. Thats just the info I was looking for.
Are they really needed at all would it work with out them
No, you need one because as soon as you would start the go kart it would take off. You also couldn't come to a stop