Behringer Pro-800 tips: Envelopes and Sequencer
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- In this video i am sharing some information about the envelopes and the sequencer. It starts with a short demo track which was made with the Pro-800. All sounds and drums were recorded and mixed in Logic Pro.
Timeline
0:00 : Demo song
0:46 : talking about the envelopes
6:21 : talking about the sequencer
Addition: At 10:00 i said that it's 16 steps if the display shows 16, but actually i was wrong. It's always showing the next step, that's why it starts at 1 if the memory is empty. So for 16 notes it needs to show 17. Also it's not clear why the displaynumber doesn't count/update when playing new notes. Looks like a bug to me.
Another thing i didn't mention is, that you can use the encoder in rec mode or press 1 to go back one or more steps. In case you want to change the last steps.
Update: For a more elaborate demo on the Envelopes please check this video of @winesynths • Behringer PRO-800: SLO... - Hudba
Finally someone who doesn’t just use a drum machine or sampler for the beat. Your drums sound great. Amazing synth for the price.
Nice demo. Inverted envelope sounds great. Very musical.
Sounds great!! 🔥
In this video i am sharing some information about the envelopes and the sequencer. It starts with a short demo track which was made with the Pro-800. All sounds and drums were recorded and mixed in Logic Pro.
0:00 : Demo song
0:46 : talking about the envelopes
6:21 : talking about the sequencer
Addition: At 10:00 i said that it's 16 steps if the display shows 16, but actually i was wrong. It's always showing the next step, that's why it starts at 1if the memory is empty. So for 16 notes it needs to show 17.
Also it's not clear why the display (number of steps) doesn't count/update when playing new notes. Looks like a bug to me.
Another thing i didn't mention is, that you can use the encoder in rec mode or press 1 to go back one or more steps. In case you want to change the last steps.
How many sequences can we save?
@@huli8557 only two (Seq 1 + Seq 2) and it is globally, not per patch.
Two sequences plus the ability to play a lead over them is huge. That's 3 tracks with one instrument in one session. I noticed that some patches sound very different when played high vs low notes. This means that if you pick/dial in the right voices, you can have a different timbre for each track as well. This is a really great synth if you like to jam DAWless. I go headphone out to audio interface to DAW to add some chorus & reverb and I'm done. Beats the heck out of messing around with a mouse to layer tracks.
I like the inverted envelope stuff. What's also nice is adding resonance doesn't cut the signal at all. I've progammed all of Rush synths sounds imaginable with this baby! All it needs is a delay and you're golden!
The ability to invert the envelope and CV in for cutoff are big deals for me - I can hardly wait for mine to ship.
Excellent tutorial, your videos are very helpful, thank you
You're awesome! Seems like a pain of a workaround till you remember you can save your patches on it.
Great video! Excellent coverage of the two sequencers and the arp at the same time. This is the only video I could find explaining this. Can't wait for mine to arrive. I'll be using my Yamaha S08 88 full weighted keys as the midi keybed. Have two sequenced patterns going and then play melodies, chords or an arp over the top. Awesome! I might even sync it with the RD-6 for some drums too. Thanks,
very useful tipps, thank you!
Thanks for watching!
will come handy when the synth arrives!
Great creative envelope hack!
Thank you for a great video
Thank you for the nice comment
Outstanding thank you!
Thanks for watching!
Thanks so much mate.
Wow, great! It sounds so much like Bobby Orlando.
Excellent Video! 👍
Danke, so wie Deins auch!
Das halbe Sequencer Forum vereint auf CZcams. 😁
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@@Waldemar_la_Tendresse Stammtischrunde :)
@@winesynths Dieser Akzent könnte noch zu einem Gouverneursposten in Kalifornien führen! 😁
Good video (for anyone whom the negative envelope fact still has not been obvious to 😁, just kidding).
Pro tip: if you use the arp function of your keyboard your finger will not have to suffer that much. 😁
The multi-arp can of course be done with ANY polyphonic synth and an external controller like the keystep pro. But this isa good way to find some interesting sounding layered sequences.
Yep, of course you can use anything with midi to control this thing in a much more comfortable way. It's just fun to mess around with it to come to different ideas than using a midi sequencer. And while it's there, why not trying? :)
super!
Thank you so much for this tutorial! I wasn’t able to record a sequence on sequence 2, only on sequence 1. I wonder why?
Haben wir einen Unison mode wie beim neuen Prophet 5 / 10?
Cool video. Unfortunate about the way they implemented transpose it looks clunky to say the least. Pretty cool that you can do 2 sequences + arpeggio though!
Cheers Bata. I would agree, also the buttons are very small if you have big hands like me. Needs a bit of practice.
I think it's fun to experiment with and leads to different things than midi sequencing.
@@tomnoise23 The way the sequencer works, it's a real piece of cake to make something that would feel at home on any 70's - 80's prog rock album
Can I take this and patch it with eurorack modules to make something "more"? or the Kobal or K2 and have more oscillators and/or filter combinations?
WOW
Master mode unlocked
I'm using an Akai MPK controller and going through a USB MIDI Host to go directly to the Pro-800 without using a PC or other host. It works great but whenever I stop playing the keyboard for more than 5-6 seconds it's like the Pro-800 goes into 'sleep' mode such that the next time I strike some keys there's a half second delay before another audio note comes out of the Pro-800. I can see a MIDI status light on my USB MIDI Host flashes by the MIDI OUT connector as soon as I strike the keyboard (instantly) so I think the signal's coming out of the MPK just fine.. and the Host in turn is passing the signal in 'real time', so I think it's the Pro-800 that's the source of the delay. Anyone else noticing this and have a fix?
Hi T noise
Big thanks for the video,
Well I'm still trying to solve my pro800 worries in midi by octatrack, good now I can sequence the pro 800 and write with the octa the problem is that when I press stop the sequence stops normally but a synth sound does not stop, it is continuous! do you think that when I press STOP I should be in CHORD or unison mode or without the 8 voices or cut with a note parameter (ON-OFF)?
Hi Macross, i don't have an octatrack so i can only guess. Do you have only midi out from the OT connected to the Pro-800 or Midi In as well?
Also, I read somewhere that Behringer has identified midi issues with some keyboards, this might be the same cause... There will be an update soon, maybe this will be sorted then.
@@tomnoise23 Thanks for your quick reply.
actually from my octatrack the out goes to a kenton hub which dispatches to all my synthesizers
@@theoutsider1942 Ah i see, then i would wait a few days for the update and test again as this will adress certainly some midi issues. Otherwise contacting the support and describing the issue should help to get this sorted.
@@tomnoise23 do you know if on thé option thème is à option local on or off bécause i don’t find on thé manuel
Except thé synchro midi usb internal
@@theoutsider1942 As of now the option is missing and the Pro-800 is passing all midi data through. According to a statement at Facebook they will add a local / soft thru off option to one of the next updates.
are the "Gligli" extra features like 2nd LFO, envelope shapes, LFO shapes etc saved with each patch or are they global only settings?
Hi, these settings will be saved with a patch.
This one has the same dimensions as Neutron/Pro-1? So I can use the same decksaver cover?
Yes, should absolutely fit.
When you turn the pots you can see the value change on the display. Mine does not do this. Do you have to enable this?
I didn't need to make a setting. But i guess you can set it in the menus (Settings + pressing 7 one or two times).
It should the steps played via an increasing number on the screen. I wonder why they didnt implement this.
I guess it's a bug. Not sure.
By the way, can you record pot movements into a DAW and play it back while also playing a melody etc.? (Like on many other synths, for ex. Korg Minilogue XD.)
Yes, it sends and receives MIDI control messages.
@@tomnoise23
Thanks for the fast reply!
It would be fun to make a short demo in which you demonstrate this...by using tons of recorded modulations and play it back, lol. (or just starting with one type and add more, see how it will behave)
Thanks for the great demos so far!
@@Aetila Good idea but I don’t have the synth anymore 🤷♂️
ace vid, how do you get it to show the parameter values when you move the rotarys? is it a setting?mine isn't displaying the values when you twiddle
I didn’t do anything special. But there is some menu where you can set certain parameters about the display. Maybe check it out (with settings and 7 or 8 if I recall correctly).
@@tomnoise23 Thanks a lot, I didn't realise you could press the number twice to get more parameters, I hit settings, number 7 twice, twisted the value to on and hey presto
Don't you think it would be really useful if you could hold the preset button and twist the value wheel to select presets? That would be a lot easier than putting the numbers in
Agreed. It’s annoying as it is. I was using Program Change Messages from another Keyboard.
Is it possible to give Start/stop command to the sequencers via midi, or does it always need to be done manualy?
If the sequencers are synced to midi clock, they will reset and start to run if the SEQ1/2 buttons are activated. But i don't think that you can activate the sequences by a midi command.
Hey, how come when you play the sequence it doesn’t show the value change form one to 2 and etc?? On the second part of the sequence, but only stay on 1
It was a firmware bug which was fixed with later versions
Can you change the amp envelope curves as well?
Yes. Same shapes as for the VCF envelope.
Smart move with a negative ENV amount! But why do we hear so much clicks, can it be fixed with AMP release higher values?
good ears! :-) The clicks you are hearing is the release portion of the envelope, when the filter quickly opens again. A little later i am turning the filter env release time up a little and it gets less. With some fine tuning this is no issue.
@@tomnoise23 ah, missed that, thanks! sounds pretty obvious :)
I have problems to safe a sound that I’ve created,if I choose Bank B or C or D to safe it ,than everything is gone and the display shows Bank A with some of the preset number.ahhhhhgggg.🤨
The manual is not helpful and I couldn’t find any CZcams video about sound safe process,I’m on the way to send it back .
It’s frustrating.
But good tips with using both Arps together and on top paying something..
Playing
Hi, I didn’t find a way to store a sound to a different bank. It seems that it’s only possible to save a preset to the bank you are working on. My workaround for now was copy and paste Bank A to Bank B and work from there. This way I can keep Bank A as a factory backup.
same here
You can hear the Yazoo (Yaz) in it.
Sorry, you can hear what?
@@tomnoise23 typo corrected - Yazoo. While Vince used a ProOne, the P600 was always considered to be close to a polyphonic ProONE. A bit less raw, but nearly the same logic from the same era.
@@Station2Station-du2gh Ahhh gotcha! 😀
Opening track early erasure
it really does seem like the sequencer number should count up every time a new note is played....
Yes, this issue was fixed by the latest firmware
I bought the Prophet P10 module ($3,400 USD) and have 10 days to return or keep it. It's my first synth; I'm a saxophone player and pianist and guitarist (in that order). It is literally six (6) times the price of this thing. It can do splits and layers. People have made sound banks for it. There is no paging on small buttons. I suppose the envelopes are faster (all that is a bit over my head at this point). There is an editor for it. As to SOUND, does this thing have that "sound"? I could buy this thing today and have a week to compare them, but it's an overseas purchase and return shipping might be kind of expensive. Do you really have to page through buttons to perform basic functions? Or are you "diving deeper" than the Prophet can go? I don't see knobs on it to do what you are doing here. Thank you, and I enjoyed the opening track.
Hi, it doesn't sound similar to a Prophet 10.And it can't do splits and layers. Its sound is kind of in the same (sequential) family, but more raw i'd say... the modulation/polymod possibilities on a P10 are going far beyond this one as well. All the basic functions are there and editable with knobs on the P-800, but there are some ones in the menus like Velocity and Aftertouch sensitivity, more LFO and Envelope shapes and so on. But again, don't expect to get the same sound as the P10.
The P800 is nevertheless a great little synth and at this price it's incredible. But it's not a Prophet 10.
Meanwhile i've sent it back because the operation with all the button presses and menus didn't really click with me. Now i am waiting for the Pro-16 (which will be a clone of a Prophet 5 with 16 voices).
@@tomnoise23 That Pro 16 is how far off, if your know? I don't like buttons and menus either, and I've got big hands and it looks small. But that's an advantage to take it to a gig, isn't it? The P10 is 10 pounds to 3.5 for the Pro 800, and I'd feel better about gigging with it. Those buttons were that awful that you returned it? I'm thinking if I buy it today, I'll have about a week to a-b it to my P10 (before I have to return the P10). So probably $50 return postage? ($50 on the way here, so a $100 "try out" fee). That's because I'm in Los Angeles and Anderton's in the UK is the only place that stocks it. Can you elaborate more? I really appreciate it. This is a first synth for me (again, 50 years on sax, 54 on piano, 2 on guitar, music degree, 1000s of gigs, etc.). Thank you again!
@@JeffreySaxophoneTallNewton Right, at this price it is unbeatable if you really need a full analog 2VCO poly. Honestly i wouldn't take it out to a gig as long as the firmware is not stable. I had certain issues when in use which seem to appear randomly. Sometimes the knobs didn't respond, the voice stealing was also not fully reliable yet, just for example. The Arpeggiator was sometimes not doing what i would expect and so on... Most of the time simply restarting fixed it, but you don't want to do it during a gig right?
I am sure these issues will all be fixed over time though.
For the buttons and workflow, i didn't like it. It's not the buttons or quality, the unit seems very well build. It just needed too many button clicks for me to get to the more advanced features. Maybe it's just me. But in the end it didn't give me enough to keep it. Just didn't click with me and i already have some great polysynths so the P800 didn't fill any gap for me in my setup..so really a first world problem here. But that's my personal perspective and yours is surely different.
You need to try for yourself really. Everyone is different and your mileage may vary.
@@tomnoise23 Hmm... I'm watching your "first impressions" review again. Certainly reliability issues are troubling! I would like a synth (again, this or the P10 module is my first one) that I can take to a gig. So, a P10 keyboard is out of the question. I have a Numa Compact 2x with the great Fatar T9 keybed, 88 keys. But I use VSTs on my MBP with it (Ivory, Scarbee, IK MM Hammond, all sound great). Of course I could just get the u-He Prophet app... The P10 module is a little overkill for a gig. I don't like buttons / menus either, but it appears prudent to a-b the Pro 800 head to head with the P10. About a $100 USD test fee (shipping both ways) if I return it, but I'd save $3000 USD if I keep it. So from a strictly financial viewpoint, I should probably order it....
So why'd you sell it?
I‘ve returned it to the shop. To keep it short: I didn’t like the workflow.
Brophet
The Bro-phet 5?! 😅
Not Snappy'...Crappy!!!
Was the original Prophet-600 snappy? NOPE!