Isn't it arrogant to believe divorce and remarriage is adultery since so many wise pastors do not?
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- Part of a documentary/interview with Kerry Shannon, his testimony concerning divorce and remarriage, and the need for the Church to repent of this sin.
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Before coming to the knowledge that divorce after remarriage while your spouse is alive is adultery, I used to sincerely ask the Lord, "God, what is the point of marriage if I could remarry anyone I want? What is even the point of abstinence if marriage with whomever I want is possible, or so I think it's possible since so many people are doing it? You can apparently be one flesh with anyone, whenever you want as long as you're married."
Little did I know... there is a serious significance to holy matrimony and the Spirit was leading me to his truth on the matter. And now I praise him so much for revealing it to me.
I’ve been on the same journey too sister. I would love to hear more how you came to this revelation. Can we talk?
Amen praise God. On a simple level divorce and remarriage completely makes marriage not marriage
@@michaelsmith1364 Born again means you start fresh and all your sins are forgiven and forgotten by God. That includes divorce. You start living for God and Jesus said you must be born again to see God's kingdom.
Not all marriages are made in heaven and not all marriages are God's will for our lives.
Some marriages were traps by the devil to cause us to remain in bondage, to abuse us and to remove us from God's will for our lives.
Abuse, is a form of abandonment and abandonment is listed in the bible as one of the reasons to divorce and remarry.
@@michaelsmith1364?
Is not what pastors think it what the BIBLE SAYS....
It s what Jesus said out of his own mouth. Jesus’ word has more Authority than a pastors.
DIY....most definitely! People need to read the Word!
Romans 3:4 Let God be true and every man a liar!
PROVERB 14:16
A wise man feareth, and departeth from evil: but the fool rageth, and is confident.
Only cowards live in fear.
Marriage is a covenant. A covenant can only be broken by death. Under NO circumstances are you allowed to remarry unless the spouse dies.
Yup.
Facts!!! You speaking truth!! Divorce and I will not be remarrying. I was left but still owe it to my God to keep my part of the covenant.
Never in the church of such heresy be taught on marriage. Only death breaks the marriage bond. It came out of the reformation this heresy to why you can divorce for xyz.
@@efrainbrown1you can remarry if you've been abandoned or cheated on.
@@user-bb2vn8vz5xGod is right and you are wrong. But his disciples even had a hard time understanding this and stated it’s better to not get married then
Only the death of a partner breaks the marriage covenant made in the sight of God that will allow a remarriage of the surviving spouse all else is adultery. And adulterers will not have a place in heaven
We agree. This is precisely the position argued in the documentary that this clip is from. Thank you for affirming the truth of Scripture and God bless!
That is mighty fine preaching there, Pat. Thank you for standing up for Biblical Christianity.
Wait a sec.. isn’t there a part in the Bible that Also says if the divorced spouse remarries someone else and breaks the law then the other can remarry if he or she chooses too?
There is no such verse. The only options are to live as a single person or to reconcile,admittedly some relationships only leave the option of remaining single.
If you really wish to come to a better understanding of this topic I suggest you read the paper by Leslie McFall, The Biblical Teaching on Divorce and Remarriage. Available as a free download.
@@patjones8598 what if her ex was abusive and not caring and cheated on her, also imprisoning her from doing things she liked to do? And also the husband was given lots of chances but failed all of them And she would like to find a better husband for a better marriage.
Paul said you aren’t under bondage. He didn’t say you aren’t bound.
Wise pastors listen to what God says in His Word and not to other people's opinions.
Amen!
MATTHEW 24:11
And MANY false prophets shall rise, and shall DECEIVE many.
Yes
When the one pastor says "I think that's what it means "
That's the biggest problem in today's society....."we think!"
Read the scriptures....what does does God think?
Actually the problem is that we DON'T think, but instead let the 'elite' do that FOR us.
There is never a licence to remarry after divorce what a horrible false teaching. What a twist of scripture.
@no name When as pastor Oks a couple to divorce and remarry over some "exemption clauses" he has cherry picked scripture which "infers" something, it is giving it license. and oh boy, have apparent Christians taken license or what! We have an adulterated Brethren Assembly over this, and the elders cite John McArthur on the subject as a approval. He coward to the liberals, and I now follow David Pawson and John Piper as a result. Jon Mac has failed the family big time.
@no name Watch my videos. I have declared war with this issue in the church and have made it my ministry. I almost fell for this lie.
@@SaanichtonMinistries Dr. Joseph webb as well true teaching like Pawson.
Question: Isn't it arrogant to believe divorce and remarriage is adultery since so many wise pastors do not?
Answer: No. It isn't arrogant to believe divorce and remarriage - while the spouse yet lives - is adultery, because no pastor being wise would ever advocate for such wickedness. Only prideful pastors will walk in willful sin and teach others to do the same... Only prideful pastors make merchandise of men's souls... as they entertain their fans and in turn reap the rewards - cash donations - for their Mixture (false teachings that tickle the ears of sinners)... Only prideful pastors are arrogant enough to reject God's Word as they mock God with their fake and false worship. So it isn't arrogant to believe divorce and remarriage - while the spouse yet lives - is adultery... because God has said it is arrogant to believe otherwise.
Amen.
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Amen! This video is sending many to hell! Or at least into the Tribulation!
Amen … and that is the Truth
No re marriage while the other person is still alive
How are these pastors going to quote these false scriptures to unbelievers- it needs to be simple for them - till death do us part
The devil disguises himself as an angel of light to deceive. Many people are burning in hell because they followed misinterpretation of scripture, this means they where living in sin being re married and well now its to late for them.
Divorce and remarriage hurt children and the innocent. A man could get himself killed by moving in with a divorced woman’s estate. Pastors who preached that the Bible teaches remarriages are OK under some conditions absolutely fail on this issue. Google David Pawson on this issue.
That's why Jesus said if you send her away you are causing her to commit adultery. You have to give her a certificate of divorce than she can get remarried to alleviate problems
missinsanelogic don’t spin the Word. In that statement was actually saying that divorce is meaningless and not recognized by God. The person who divorces his wife can force her into adultery as being married to a husband in that time could have meant survival. So the man could be guilty and or share guilt of the sin of adultery simply by doing the sin of divorce. He does not even have to commit the sexual act to be guilty. That is the destructive power of divorce. It is what I will continue to rebuke and call out for the rest of my life. Divorce and remarriage is adultery. Period.
@@SaanichtonMinistries Nice strawman. You have to attribute malicious intent to the truth so make you feel you have the truth when you don't.
The Bible is clear, if you are married don't seek to divorce, if you are divorced don't seek to be married, but if you do , it is not a sin
@Be Ye HOLY it doesn't make sense for your case at all
1. If you don't be married, you will be alone.
2. If you are married and get divorced and can't remarry , you will be alone
The exact same outcome, but #2 you have a chance of being in a good marriage, so why exactly are the disciples saying it is better not to be married if remarriage is not allowed?? Doesn't make sense.
Jesus requires men to not send away their wives without a certificate of divorce, meaning they have to give her a dowry or a provision when they sent her off, that is why it is better not to marry in the first place. Jesus was talking about the treachery of sending wives away without a certificate of divorce leaving them alone , without money, and vulnerable to be accused of adultery if she remarried another man.
You guys just have religious spirits , forbidding the woman to get married .
@@missinsanelogic That is the lamest pro divorce argument I have heard. Not new at all. If you knew the context of the passage, you would know it is about more false teachers who taught that it was unclean and a sin to marry period. Cults like Roman Catholics and others still assert this. That is why the Pope is not married. In 1 Timothy 4:1-3, he warns of demonically inspired teachers who forbid marriage and certain foods. False teaching has been a threat in every age including the present. It threatens to keep many from the narrow road leading to salvation and instead leads them to the broad road of destruction.
Be careful on this issue. The Bible says adulterers and fornicators will go to hell. Do not fool yourself.
Unto the false prophets: PROVERB 17:15
He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.
Romans 7:2-3
King James Version
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
He as talking about LAWYERS, lol
‘whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.’ Matthew 5:32
This condemns half the country
@@glenw-xm5zf we live in an adulterous generation
@@tonycruise and in a fallen world
So divorce and remarriage is the unforgiveable sin. yes?
@@glenw-xm5zf no its blaspheming the holy spirit
*"Isn't it arrogant to believe divorce and remarriage is adultery...?"* Not to put too sharp a point on it but, no, it isn't.
Ha, agreed!
@@SaintAthanasiusChurch Hypothetical case: he is 23, and she is 21, neither one is a Christian. they get married. HE discovers that after just 3 months, SHE is 'getting it on' with an old boyfriend. she Leaves him, for HeR. he ends up divorcing her. She marries the scoundrel she is shacked up with. He is then still young, at age 26. HE .. 5 years later, comes to faith and is born again. THEN he meets Sarah, still virgin and very much in the Lord. they fall in love. He can;'t marry her? So he sentenced to live the rest of his life ALONE. Song from the Sixties : 'One.' look it up, even though it is secular. It is a good song.
It is better to marry than to burn with Lust. Food for thought. I am not God, but I'd give him a green light.. What think ye?
@@glenw-xm5zf He can't marry her. That would be adultery. If his wife dies, then he is free to marry Sarah.
I have prayed that the Lord send many more of His servants to speak the truth on this matter which had sadly fallen into the cracks with His people. All glory unto Him. When Paul said that one is "no longer bound," he goes on to add, "because the Lord has called us to peace." Peace? Does remarriage constitute peace? No, that which the Holy Spirit (through Paul) is referring to is no longer being bound to marital duties, which can no longer be otherwise conducted in a peaceful manner.
Concerning divorce, The Father can separate His people out from their marriage for His purposes as He did in the Book of Ezra (no where does Scripture say that the Lord cannot separate out that which He or man has joined together). However, Paul does not mince words when He tells those who are divorced to remain unmarried. If remarriage was allowed whilst the first spouse was still alive, then what prohibits 3 marriages or 5?
I walk in this example, personally. The Lord has not ordained a spouse for me, and so I needed to lay those desires on His Holy Altar, along with my life, in order for the flesh to be crucified and to die to self.
Last but not least, the Lord's judgement is now upon us and it begins in His House. Christians who are living in sin are under this judgement- not His provision and protection, as most believe.
Thank you for your prayers and for your personal walk in holiness. This is not an easy road to travel. God bless you and peace be with you!
Amen brother praise God
Romans 7:2-3
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Apparently picking and choosing parts of some of those pastors talking about divorce equates to them believing divorce is okay with conditions. God hates divorce as stated in Malachi.
God hates sin. Like murder. If your spouse (wife or husband) is after you to murder physically harm you for whatever reason they are already commiting deadly sin. Now you want us to believe that God wants us not to divorce that demon and continue stay with him/her until he/she finally murder? Can you please think twice before commenting that, it'll be much appreciated
This video was poorly put together. Putting brief snippets of comments made by a bunch of different people was a stupid mistake by whoever made this thing.
The Fruit of this clip is in the comments section. Legalism and power tripping.
Amen brother.
Some Pastors I know, they believe in remarriage, yet every time one of the saints (or one the Pastors that believe in the truth) pressure them and ask them if they believe you can remarry, they would get nervous and try to skip the subject in conferences, or they’ll go completely off topic and not answer the question. Their lack of boldness just goes to show how insecure they are about their own doctrine. It’s hard to be confident in a doctrine you know is false.
It's sad. We are building a community here in Northern Colorado, a church with bold pastors, who stand up for the Word of God on all matters, including divorce and remarriage. Come join us and help us build!
After studying this topic, I have a question.
If a wife divorces her husband and refuses to reconcile. Wouldn't it be lawful for a man to take a second wife? Becuase polygamy was lawful. Even the new testament mentions to be a church elder, the man must be the husband of one wife. The verses seem very sex specific. In the old testament law, it wouldn't have been lawful for a woman to divorce her husband either.
There isn't a verse that says if a woman divorces her husband, that the husband cannot take a second wife. For the sake of procreation, that makes sense to me. Any thoughts?
If a woman divorces her husband that husband is also divorcing his wife. He doesn't have to instigate it. "Whoever divorces his wife,.." doesn't mean he started it. And when it comes to procreation, a never been married man or woman should only take another never been married (or widowed) spouse, and that's where the procreation lies.
What happens when your offspring starts to follow God's teachings, and he/she comes to the realization that his/her birth was in an adulterous relationship?
abandonment by an unbeliever....the term is enslaved, not....bound.....too much false teaching, here...
Wise yes because it’s truth. Wrong no because God is not a liar. Arrogant? Calling yourself arrogant? Many are deceived because they justify remarriage to stay in pride and ego and don’t have Gods heart.
Yes!!!
Yes
the innocent party.....what about Mt 5......where in the exception one is divorced and to remarry would be adultery......it is just a question of who is responsible for that particular sin.....
So, if someone divorced and remarries before the knowledge of Christ, then becomes a believer, they are not forgiven and accepted into the Kingdom?
The knowledge of Christ entails recognizing sin and turning from it. If they repent of their adultery by separating they will receive forgiveness and acceptance into the Kingdom.
If someone is a homosexual and marries another homosexual before the knowledge of Christ, then becomes a believer, are they forgiven and accepted into the Kingdom?
@@SaintAthanasiusChurch homosexual marriage isn’t recognized by God as a valid union in the first place…
Neither is remarriage. God says it's adultery. @@beautifullybroken2926
WRONG. Rea dJohn 3:16 then read the whole N T. Do you know Jesus Christ? Does he know you? If the answers to those 2 Q are YES, you have every right to walk in newness of life, and God will lead you in the way that you should go. You are set FREE. and never let some internet expert tell you any different.
"For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness." ... For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe."
-Holy Scriptures
amen....
Some have asserted that the bible says it is not a sin to remarry in 1 Corr 7. For if he marries he has not sinned. That is the lamest, twisted pro divorce argument I have heard. Not new at all. If you knew the context of the passage, you would know it is about more false teachers who taught that it was unclean and a sin to marry period. Cults like Roman Catholics and others still assert this. That is why the Pope is not married. In 1 Timothy 4:1-3, he warns of demonically inspired teachers who forbid marriage and certain foods. False teaching has been a threat in every age including the present. It threatens to keep many from the narrow road leading to salvation and instead leads them to the broad road of destruction.
Be careful on this issue. The Bible says adulterers and fornicators will go to hell. Do not fool yourselves. Examine yourselves and fear God. Don't be bewitched by others doctrines like, "once saved always saved." Some take false security in that and will find themselves in hell one day. You must endure and walk the walk. Some apparent alter call you did in your life will not assure your of heavens rewards for those who stood firm in the Gospel.
@Kevin Hillier never too late... but repent and stop sinning.
@Kevin Hillier could you tell me what it feels like to be remarried? Do you know that it’s wrong deep inside your Spirit? Is the pressure to keep on going? What about the partner? How does she feel? I’ve never been in divorce and remarriage adultery so I’m trying to do some research In the field and on the ground in terms of what it is really like what’s the truth of it?
@Kevin Hillier Do you fear God’s judgment? Do you have conscience and conviction? Does it feel awkward and not natural?
@Kevin Hillier Was it fun and exciting at first with pleasure, and now it’s going away and starting to cause pain and agony? Sin often has a reward system. It gives you pleasure and a thrill at first but always ruins in the end. Take the crack cocaine addict or the heroin addict or the porn addict it’s fun at first but always takes in the end
@Kevin Hillier And remember I’m not judging you. That’s not my job. You don’t have to share if you don’t want to
the innocent party.....hmmmm......good luck here.....the exception is porneia which is fornication, which is sex, before marriage....so in that context yes.....after a regular wedding....no....
IF you are div and re married and some pharisee says you should break the marriage and div.. Tell them to hit the road.
The Word of GOD Says about and Against *Lust* .
Paul never said remarry he said if they leave and let them leave Jesus gave one exception for divorce and he says if it was sexual morality Paul wouldn’t give another one but evil sinful people will keep circling the Scriptures looking for any loophole any back door but on judgment day they will be charged with adultery And no adulterer will enter into the kingdom of heaven
fornication.....there is an example....Joseph and Mary...
Pm judge,ent, if they are born again and love God, their sins are not on record. Or do you not believe 1 John 1-6?
@@glenw-xm5zf Jesus preached repentance for the forgiveness of sins, and without repenting there’s no forgiveness salvation is conditional on repentance. You don’t get to keep your sin that’s not why Jesus Christ died so you could do what you want. You’re believing a false gospel a gospel that is not preached in the Bible every time you see forgiveness you see the word repentance keeping your spouse you’re not supposed to have because Jesus called it adultery is not repenting. Tell yourself that you are forgiven when you keep your adulterous spouse and then tell yourself you’re not in hell one day too.
@@MMAGUY13 Are you certain that if you died today that you would instantly be with the Lord? yes or no. Also, I resent someone I have never met tryint to tell me where I am headed. You know zero, Nada, nothing about me.. So where is the Love of God? Sounds to me like it is NOT in you
@@glenw-xm5zf i’m certain of this. I’m certain if I divorce, my wife and go get a another woman who’s been divorce and I marry her and I ravish her body the day I die. I’m certain that I will be charged with adultery when I stand before Christ and I shouldn’t be shocked because that’s what he said, the Bible says no adulterer will enter heaven and Jesus said remarriages are adultery, and then Jesus talk about hellfire do you want from me ? I don’t know you I have no control over the world. People have abortions and they don’t fear God the church well half the church is remarried and they don’t fear God so let’s just wait and see what happens on judgment day I have a feeling he’s gonna do what he said he’s going to do, it all in the Bible so we shouldn’t be shocked
The title to this video is wrong. Not all ministers or pastors believe that divorce & remarriage is sinful. Nor did all the early church fathers believe so either. Deep study of the Bible regarding this topic will show that both Jesus & paul taught that lawful divorce & remarriage is not sinful.
COULD YOU ANSWER IN PLACE OF PAUL??
I’d like to ask Paul one question: IF he says, remarriage is a sin, THEN, Where is Jesus’ atonement of our sins...?? Why are we held liable for the rest of the lives after His perfect atonement, which stops us from making an action of marriage that is normally a blessing....?? (The second divorce can be accused as it is the second-time sinning...)
The reason why it is a sin is that when you get married for the first time - you and your spouse are one flesh before God. It is the same like when a sperm an egg merge and become a person. Mom and dad is both part of that child, no matter what. Neither you nor your spouse can retract from that oneness in your child. Even if you go to the earthly law, no-one can undo that unity - likewise marriage.
So, when you "remarry" after divorce, you actually bring a 3rd person into your marriage because you are still one with your spouse. That is adultery.
@@sharonalbertyn6903 Legally, if you are divorced you are no longer one with that person
This is not true!! Phillip had a horrible wife in his covenant marriage to Heriodas. Heriodas committed adultery and incest divorced and remarried, but the scripture says it's unlawful for you to have your brother Phillip's wife. Honestly who could have such a horrible spouse but even her being as wicked as she was she was still called "Phillip's wife!!" The covenant marriage is only over when one of the spouses die! No one would want their spouse back after this happened but nothing nasty Heriodas could do to undue the one flesh covenant union. What God has joined together man must not separate. That's a command!!! No one is stronger than God Almighty!!! This sin has ruined the local church!!!
Rom. 7:1-3 ----- 1 Cor.7:39
What did God say!?
The reason why there are so many religions and faiths is because people interprete the bible and such verses differently and each one believes that they are right and the other Is wrong.
Because of the itching ears they have. A radical life for God is not easy.
The simple command of the Lord is to love... so, using 1 corinthians 13 as your template, by remarrying after divorce, are you: being patient, kind,not proud, not insisting on your own way, not keeping a record of wrongs, hoping all things, believing all things enduring all things? If not you ARE NOT following Christ's command to love.
Amen. We agree!
Another question, God divorced Iarael so then God also commited sin, i rest my case!
Simply right
People hate this topic, once you know better you do better.....meaning once you know the word of God.. you do the word of God. To repent means to turn away. If a homosexual man repents for his actions yet continues to live in homosexuality one would say he is still in sin and has not repented. Therefore a divorced man or woman who remarries and their previous spouse is still living....they are living in sin. The bible does not say the first time they have sex is sin and after they repent they are forgiven..... If a divorced man or woman divorces for reasons other than fornication...IT IS ADULTERY. Study the WORD to show thyself approve BY GOD...not to approve Your own ways. Be blessed!
I have been divorced for like fifty years. No idea where she is and don't care. Dunno if she is even alive. BUT, if I met someone tomorrow, an idt was not lust. and a relationship grew and love blossomed, I would pop the question..
Oh and neither of us were Christians at that time. anyhow condemn me if you want, but not likely anyone coming my way since next year I will be 80
The admonition against divorce at all is to prevent tempting your spouse to commit adultery by separating. The except in case of sexual immorality thing in Matthew allows divorce because you can't tempt your spouse to commit a sin they are committing anyway. It does not give you permission to remarry. Just gives you permission to get rid of your spouse and live elsewhere. Of course it is important to remember in Jesus day, adulterers were murdered by stoning to death. Because even then, people knew only death could break the marriage covenant, so they solved the problem with bloodshed.
You've made a mistake in the video title, calling those pastors "wise".
No mistake. It's sarcasm.
@@SaintAthanasiusChurch My apologies!😃 I've always had a hard time identifying sarcasm! 😥🙂
Wise in man's eyes
Not in Reno or Vegas
GOD also said many pastors are going to hell!
along with thousands of legalists
Let no man deceive you
If the innocent spouse is free to remarry then why is the guilty spouse not also free?😂😂😂 Who are they bound to?
Listening to wolves, how terrible 🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺👿 divorce & remarriage is Adultery. Jesus shuts down all carnal debates in MARK CHAPTER 10 !! Very simple & clear!!
Yes, we agree. This is a clip from a larger documentary showing the simple truth that divorce and remarriage is adultery. You can see the full documentary linked in the description or search for Nail The Colors To The Mast: Divorce, Remarriage, and The People of God.
Thank you for the comment, B Flores. We are glad to see other Christians standing for truth!
They are sending many to hell
Read Dr Leslie McFall
how many came against Noah, on his building, of the ark......
Nowhere in the Bible have I found that it's okay to remarry if you divorce. Only death of the spouse allows it. We should not add to scripture to make up our own assumptions of what Paul was saying. In some of the oldest manuscripts that we have access to Matthew 19:9 does not read like our modern Bibles do. Matthew 19:9 reads just like Matthew 5:32 there is no exception clause in Matthew 5:32.
AMEN
Deut 24:1-2.... somewhere in the Bible...
I'm so curious...Most people shoot down a remarriage after sexual immorality.
If Gods Word says it in Matthew 19:9 why are so many people kicking against it? Is Gods word right in this or wrong? Is it a interpretation issue? It seems simple to me.
Simple enough that I can say that if you go against matthew 19:9 you're unfortunately not speaking by the full councel of Gods Word in this matter. I'm I wrong for saying that? Is the Word wrong?
Perhaps it's a translation issue? If so do a careful study of translation before you go against what is clearly written. You make yourself a divided house without providing some legitimacy for not standing on every Word of God.
Most DEFINATELY there is an issue of error.... on the basis of willfully ignorant people redefining what the word of God actually says!
Jesus uses BOTH words, "fornication" and "adultery" in MATTHEW 19:9, & MATTHEW 5:32. (See verses below)
MATTHEW 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of *fornication,* causeth her to commit *adultery:* and whosoever shall marry her that is DIVORCED committeth *adultery.*
MATTHEW 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for *fornication,* and shall marry another, committeth *adultery:* and whoso marrieth her which is PUT AWAY doth commit *adultery.*
A child is smart enough to figure out the difference between the two by their definitions:
FORNICATION - Sexual immorality outside the bounds of marriage.
ADULTERY - Sexual immorality against the bounds of one's marriage covenant.
People wrest the scriptures, twisting and redefining what the words actually say to appease their guilt. They're only fooling theirselves.... Damning theirselves, in all truthful reality!
There is a sinister reason behind the production of new translations. Think about it.
Say this slow..if you confess your sins I am faithful to forgive your sin...you are preaching like we are all saved...
The divorce and remarriage for adultery doctrine is based solely on the supposed guilt of the wife in Matthew 5:32, and Matthew 19:9. However, the wife in Matthew 5:31-32 is clearly not guilty of fornication because the Jews that Jesus was speaking to were still living under the law, and if fornication was discovered, there was a moral obligation to report the offender according to Deuteronomy 22:13-24. The wife, who would have been found guilty of fornication, was subsequently stoned to death, according to the law, which had still governed the Jews up until Christ's death on the cross. The same for a woman caught in adultery, according to Leviticus 20:10. How could a wife, guilty of fornication, or adultery, under the law of Moses, be given a writing of divorcement and be caused to commit adultery with whosoever marries her, that is divorced? Jesus is clear, in these examples, that the wife is not guilty of fornication, but is still caused to commit adultery if she marries another man now that she is divorced. This is the only way that Matthew 5:31-32, and Matthew 19:9 keep harmony with Romans 7:2-3, and 1 Corinthians 7:39. Please use wisdom when living in any situation against what the scriptures command.
The ancient Jews called the betrothed (engaged) "husband" and "wife" according to Deuteronomy 22:23-24, Matthew 1:18-25, and Luke 2:5-7.
Deuteronomy 24:1-4 (Moses's precept of divorce and remarriage) was never for fornication or adultery. Allowing those guilty of fornication and adultery to remain living and become a prospect for remarriage was against the law of Moses in Deuteronomy 22:13-24 and Leviticus 20:10, which commanded that those who were found guilty of fornication and adultery be put away from Israel, and stoned to death.
The law of Moses was not given to the world, only to the Jews. From the exodus, to Christ's death on the cross, the law of Moses governed the Jewish people. But when Jesus died on the cross, he caused the Jews to be dead to the law of Moses so they could be joined to Christ under a New Covenant. This is what Jesus's fulfillment of the law of Moses, including Deuteronomy 24:1-4 (Moses's precept of divorce and remarriage), means. Paul gave several warnings to Christian believers against keeping the law of Moses over following Christ and his commands under the New Covenant with Christ. Keeping the whole law is no longer possible for those in Israel and that is why Christ prophesied that the temple would be destroyed. These scriptures make it clear that if you choose the law over Christ, that you must keep the whole law: Romans 7:4, Galatians 3:1-9, Galatians 3:10-29, Galatians 4:1-7, Galatians 4:21-31, and Galatians 5:1-15.
The phrase "sexual immorality" being used in Matthew 5:32 and Matthew 19:9, in place of "fornication", creates conflict with what is written about fornication and adultery in Hosea 4:13-14, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, and Galatians 5:19-21.
Being unequally yoked to unbelievers is not a cause for divorce, once two become one-flesh in a covenant of marriage, according to 1 Corinthians 7:12-14. Many one-flesh covenant marriages between unbelievers are recognized by God in the scriptures, most notably the marriage covenants between Herodias and King Herod's brother Philip, Potiphar and his wife, Ahab and Jezebel, and Ruth to her deceased husband Mahlon by Boaz when he took her to be his wife.
Some are teaching that 1 Corinthians 7:15 implies that those who are abandoned by the unbeliever, are "no longer bound" in a one-flesh covenant of marriage. The reason this is in conflict is due to the way they word it, which gives it an entirely different meaning, and context. 1 Corinthians 7:15, says, "15But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace." As you can see, the actual scripture says "not under bondage," which means that the husband or wife is not enslaved to sin with the unbelieving spouse, and is free to worship Christ in peace. Subsequent translations have changed the words to imply that they nullify the marriage covenant, when this is not at all the case. The issue that this creates is with 1 Corinthians 7:10-11, which says, "10And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: 11But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife." As you can see, those who claim 1 Corinthians 7:15 has the Apostle Paul giving permission to remarry do not understand that the abandoned husband in 1 Corinthians 7:11 is expected to also remain unmarried, in order to be reconciled with his wife. The theory that 1 Corinthians 7:15 nullifies two as being one-flesh in marriage puts the Apostle Paul directly at odds with Christ, by implying that he has issued an opposing command.
Some also teach that 1 Corinthians 7:27-28 is referring to both divorced men, and virgin women, and not exclusively to men and women (virgins) who have never been married. This has been falsely taught for some time in churches as referring to anyone who is not currently in a marriage, which, for them, also includes those who are divorced. This is a very false assumption, and puts these verses in a different context, that is at odds with both the teachings of Christ and the apostle Paul. We see Paul refer to virgins, which signifies the unmarried who have never before been wed, which is the proper context here. We see Paul saying clearly that it is good for virgins, which is also speaking to never before wed men here, "that it is good for a man so to be." He goes on to say, "Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife." Who is he referring to here? Men who, like himself, have never married. The word "bound", in these verses, is a clear reference to betrothal (engagement) and not to a one-flesh covenant of marriage. The ancient Jews were considered bound as husband and wife during the betrothal (espousal/engagement) before becoming one-flesh in a covenant of marriage, through consummation. This is affirmed by the context of the term "bound" seen in Numbers 30:14-16.
The Jewish couples in ancient Israel, who were betrothed (engaged) were also bound together until death, either by execution for fornication, or by other causes. Then Paul says, "But and if thou marry, thou has not sinned", which is who? The men who had never married in the congregation at Corinth. So he begins with verses 25-26 speaking exclusively to men that have never married. Paul then says, "and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned", which is speaking directly about virgin women who have never been married, within the congregation, not divorced women. Notice that verse 34 says, "There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband." Paul speaks plainly when he says "there is a difference between a wife and a virgin." Paul goes on to say, "But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry." This is speaking of a father with a virgin daughter who has become of age to bear children when it says, "let them marry." This is a clear command to a third party, the father, and not a divorced man who has taken a virgin to be his wife. Paul then says, "Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well." This is referring again to the father who decides it is better for his dauther not to marry, but to stay betrothed (engaged), under the present distress, by saying that he "hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin." Paul then says, "So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better", which means that fathers of virgin daughters in the congregation do well if they choose to allow their betrothed virgin to marry, and fathers, who choose not to allow their virgin daughters to marry do better, under the current climate. For more proper context of the word "bound", let's look further down in this chapter to verse 39, which says, "39The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord" (1 Corinthians 7:39). For so long, these scriptures, between verses 25-38, have been twisted and used to enable divorce and remarriage, by wayward churches and teachers, and have caused many to stumble and to be trapped in unlawful unions.
The use of the woman at the well, in regard to marriage, falsely implies that Christ was endorsing remarriage after a divorce. This teaching is in defiance of Matthew 22:23-28, which shows a woman who had been widowed seven times, and entered into each subsequent marriage without any scriptural conflicts with God's law of marriage (one-flesh covenant) seen in Genesis 2:23-24.
Mark 10:1-12 is the same biblical record of Matthew 19:1-12, which both record Christ's teaching that day beyond the Jordan. There is no mention of the words "fornication", "writing of divorcement", or "divorced" in Mark's Gospel, because Mark was not written to the Jews (as Matthew's Gospel was), but to evangelize the Romans and Greeks, who had no knowledge of the law in Deuteronomy 22 or Deuteronomy 24. All of these facts draw a clear understanding that remarriage after a divorce, under the New Covenant with Christ, is a scripturally false and baseless teaching.
You clearly know your bible and have done your research. I wish you offered a final answer at the end. Everything following up to conclusion was excellent. Not a lot of people know the Haburabi code followed in the days of the mosaic covenant
@@askor9585 the scriptures have no relation to Babylonian traditions. I left out a final summary because it wouldn't have fit into one comment. I often think if I should try to condense what I have here to make room but I don't think I can without sacrificing the message. As you know, the entire context of the bible, from Genesis to Revelation, is not enough for those seeking permission to remain in a union that Jesus deems adulterous. I pray that truth about this topic will reach more souls.
Amazing how preachers lie
Yeah, they fool so many to tithe, and that there is an after life.
LAY OFF OF he preachers. the devil and his crowd hates them. God loves them, as most of them gave him their whole life.
Have you??
Mainstream society is far worse then htey
The biggest liar in all history is Lucifer. Nobody else comes close. He is the FATHER of lies. Just make sure he is not your father
Just want to add that John Piper is defending the sitoasion and he states clearly in other teaching that is divorce takes place you should stay that why or reconcile
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Piper is double minded. He states no divorce and no remarriage for a believer, but if you have divorced and remarried stay as you are? Such hypocrisy!
@@brianhemmert9394 You're making an inference of your own that isn't found in the Bible (and then insulting John Piper for it). Should remarried people split up and go back to their original spouses? The only explicit answer to that question is in the old testament, where Moses says no, that would be an abomination. I suppose it's possible we're meant to take the complete opposite view in the new covenant, but you have an uphill battle for yourself building an argument of your own inferences when the texts are 1:0 against you.
So many pastors deceived or are they deceiving?
Both!
its hard for them because the women really are the ones who probably give a lot of money to church and also the ones who go to church a lot too. so preaching on something like divorce wouldnt sit right with a lot of women and some men too. i think this is why a lot of pastors dont preach on things like divorce and modesty but will gladly preach about tithes.
So are so many Catholics.. deceived. Deceived by false doctrine. Would you like to see a list of them? If you read and believe the Bible, you can make you own list
Romans..only for believers...some just don't believe in christ for covering sins..
this just makes me sick. horrible. man of God supporting adultery.
It makes us sick, too. Check out the full documentary! We trust it will be an encouragement to you. There are men of God who do not support adultery, like the elders of our church. God bless!
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there is no ....innocent party....
Divorce is not ideal and it really hurt everyone but what should a spouse do when his partners heart is not in the marriage and want to leave. Its easy standing on the side till you get into this situation. And then what about peopke living together, do you think you are free because you didnt finish the paperwork. The moment you sleep together you went into covenant with that person so i think we must be carefull about just answering this question because even Jesus and the apostles listened to the specific case. You cannot answer to every situation in general.
I think many know part of mine.
I was raised in a fake Christian home but didn’t know it at the time. My parents are remarriage adulterers and have been all my life. I am an uncovenant child. My father has a living first wife but she had left him at a young age and then he got saved later and “married “ my mom. Saying that the equal yoke makes the marriage since his first unsaved wife departed even before he believed, he likes to assume the bondage to her as his covenant spouse is broken. He’s been a deacon in the church all my life. My parents act all holy but now I know the truth.
I at first thought like them so as you know I “married” a woman who like my dad had a first hubby who left her, never had kids and she was unsaved then. So we “married” and had 5 uncovenant kids. One day a lovely new secretary came to the church and caught my eye. I felt guilty until I realized my “wife” was not my own! Blessed indeed to be freed from that awful union and now in covenant marriage with the secretary Tally! Though the churches and my parents side with my fake ex and support her stand for my return since they all believe professing Christians need to keep their “marriages” even if they had a living spouse before they were saved that left them! They like to claim this is how the Bible is and how God makes covenants and that he only allows a believer with an unbeliever in yoke one flesh as long as the unsaved stays in the marriage.
Trying to get them all to see the true nature of covenant marriage, that God joins ALL first time or widowed marriages of a born man and woman, happily and until death! The bond, the binds, the bondage stays for life even if both are satanists! Or one is a saint and one is a satanist! There is never any sin in covenant marriage. It is never to be repented of.
Sinner, You have no peace your an adulterer. Your 5 children suffer.
Forgive your father and those that remarry. It isn't God's will to remarry but also God forgives ALL SINS except blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, God also states that once you come to christ you are a NEW creature All Old things are passed away. JESUS DIED FOR OUR SINS because death is the only way to fulfill the law/covenant just like in a marriage. Jesus died in place of us so that we may have Grace he knew we couldn't keep the law . Please read Romans 7:2-7.
You are messed up! Young secretary caught your eye? You were married and had 5 children!! You are Arrogant, a Cheater, Liar and an Adulterer!! You twisted the truth to suit your SEXUAL DESIRE for another woman!! LUSTFUL DISGUSTING DISGRACE
Please allow me to apologize for my polemic essay earlier. I've been praying about learning the truth on this matter and being less angry relative to my own desires, and less needing to take it out on fellow believers and especially pastors or priests. Here are some new thoughts that came to me:
One of the oldest churches, the Catholic church, does not allow for divorce and remarriage. Another of the oldest churches, the Orthodox church, does.
Jesus states that divorce and remarriage = adultery 4 times in the Gospels. 2 of those times includes an exception for sexual immorality, 2 do not.
As suggested by the above ambiguity, which causes so much debate within the church, God knew that it might not be good to never allow for divorce, but he also knew that if he spelled it out too clearly that that would be taken advantage of.
The end result is that anyone who comes to faith and is concerned about it, will be extremely careful in their future decisions, and maybe that's the best possible answer. Which means to me I will never have a truly solid answer on whether it is right or wrong. And God in his wisdom does not want me to have such an answer, because then I would take decisions I make in this area of my life less seriously.
Thanks for the comment and apology, Derek. We understand this can be a difficult subject. And we understand that it can be difficult to harmonize the texts in Matthew with the texts in Mark, Luke, Romans, and 1 Corinthians. But we are persuaded the best way to harmonize the texts is to permit divorce in cases of unrepentant sexual immorality, but to never allow remarriage while the former spouse is still alive. When Paul gives a concession for the wife to separate from her husband, he says her only options are to remain single or be reconciled. The West has been blessed far greater than the East, and we are persuaded that this is due in large part to the West not adopting the East's permissive stance on divorce and remarriage. And since we have recently in the last century adopted the East's permissiveness, we are seeing God's curse on us because of our covenant unfaithfulness.
Our rector, Pastor Jack Shannon, would be happy to talk to you via email or over the phone if you'd like. You can email us here if that's something you'd like to do. contact@saintathanasiusfc.com
@@SaintAthanasiusChurch I'm still not convinced it's as air tight as you say. If it is really true, then C.S. Lewis and his wife are in Hell, because she was separated from an abusive husband back in the usa.
At the very least I've concluded it is absolutely inappropriate to pray for a second wife. Instead I'm praying for God to have me do whatever he wills, and to participate in church as much as I can including community efforts. If he would want to restore this aspect of my life and give me a real second chance one day with someone who takes marriage and life seriously, it might become clear some day. But if not...it's alright. He already richly blessed my life in countless ways.
Also, I think the church changing positions on this (regardless of denomination) has very little to do with the amount of divorce today. I believe it is much more to do with that contraceptive technology and the resulting autonomy for women simply makes sex, marriage and divorce have less severe consequences (though obviously still very severe, especially where children are concerned). And modern narcissism, which infects everyone's minds with idols of sex, money and distracting entertainment. It's a miracle any time anyone's life becomes oriented squarely towards God.
@@derekgeorgeandrews I think we are all going to be surprised on you doesn't make to heaven. There are A LOT of false teachings out there. Some are very convincing. We all need to pray for discernment.
But what about when a husband died and she had to remarry the next brother and he dies and she remarry again. Or men in old testament who had many wifes?? No i dont see it different. If a husband or wife was not thw guilty one in the divorce i belief she or he is free. If you are an adulterous then it anyway better not to ever remarry again. Why should the party in this case that gave everything pay the price for a partner that didnt take their commitment serious.
there is one exception....fornication...the other is not under bondage or not enslaved that is to the individual not to the covenant of marriage....
This is a false exception brought by a humanist catholic priest named Erasmus. Remarriage is truly adultery.
@philip buckley - there is no exception to Gods elect (except death) as this exception was given to the Jews STILL under mosaic law?
@@debbieann3883 AMEN!!!
0:50 why is that angel or dove thing upside down? Def backwards teaching happening here
Moses has 2 wifes, you read about Zipporra a Medianite, the father he was a shephard of. Later you read that he only saw his children once when his father in law gave him advice to decide on a leader in each tribe to help him take some responsibility. You never read from Zipporra again but about Moses taking (another) wife that was dark of skin and a Qusite where Miriam mocked him and got lepracy as the result of it. Did you realise its not the same wife and what happened to Zipporra. Maybe she choose not to walk with him and left him???
Dismiss Jesus with Paul?
Read Romans 7 1-3. Only death ends a marriage covenant. Marriage is not a contract that can be broken.
Matthew 5.....says that a wife, that has been divorced, commits adultery, if she were to remarry.....so much for the so called innocent party....
But us men are gonna be okay then
too many sound bites.....choose your teaching....it is like chasing to many....loose ends....
It is adultery.
I’m going to assume that most of my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ here commenting and harshly defending the divorce and remarriage will land you in hell no ifs ands or buts, have never been in a remarriage, then became born again and then ponder the scriptures.
If a person is in an adulterous second marriage, and has children by that marriage, his situation is more complicated. 1 Timothy 5:8 says “Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever."
Doesn't sound complicated to us. Provide for his children. Separate from the adulterous spouse.
That isn't a hard problem to solve. One could say the same thing about a married homosexual couple who adopts children. They don't stay married, but they still have to provide for the children somehow if they want to truly repent.
@@SaintAthanasiusChurch please answer this question for me: how is it, that YHVH can break the blood covenant of an exsatanis; forgive the killing, the rapes, the killing of Christian people, all kinds of blasfemi. God sees their repented heart (like apostle Paul), forgives them and YHVH, doesn't demand from them to go to the authorities to turn themselves in, to prove that the are really sorry, but instead YHVH just forgives them. I know someone personally like that, and now he is preaching YHVH's word. But YHVH, demands from the divorce person who is now married to someone else, to break that covenant and either returned to his first wife or remain unmarried. YHVH, doesn't dissolve the first marriage, so if I don't divorce and stay single, I now continue to live in a state of adultery
@@mateosawyers6059 Is the person you know personally who preaches God's word still a satanist? I would imagine he is not. Because repentance means you stop being a satanist, a murderer, a rapist, and a blasphemer. Someone who is remarried is still an adulterer. They won't be forgiven unless they repent by ceasing to commit adultery, just as the now preacher you know has ceased worshiping satan. Repentance for the remarried means separation and remaining single. They have been made eunuch for the Kingdom if they desire to repent.
@@SaintAthanasiusChurch you haven't answer the question. The exsatanis is now a preacher of the word, but before he murdered pastors, kidnapped children for sacrifice, raped women and God didn't asking to go, to the authorities, to turn himself in and forgave Him but God demands a remarry person won't get forgiveness until they divorce? How is He a Just God?
There are the pastors have incorrect teaching based on Matthew 5 : 32 or Matt 19 : 9 they said : a wife is abandon or left by her unfaithful husband or her husband commiting adultery, and divorces her, she can remarried another man.
The statement is contradict to
the words of Jesus in Matt 5 : 32b Whoever marries a woman who is divorced he commits adiltery,
Mark 10 : 12 : a wife does not divorce her husband then she marries another man she commits adultery.
1 Cor 7 : 11, 39 Lord commandi a wife is divorce let her remain unmaried or reconciled to her husband.
As long as her husband lives, she will br called and adultress if she becomes partner of other man but if her hudband dies she is free to remarry but in the Lord.
In Matt 5 : 32 or 19 : 9b Jesus says these words only to married men or husband : Anyone divorces hi wife except for fornicatin/ sexual immoralitu) and marries another she commits adultery
In your Mark 10:12 example you stated "a wife who does not divorce her husband then she marries another man she commits adultery." I think this is just by mistake, since you have the proper context on the other scriptures. The actual verse, in Mark 10:12, states, "and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery.”
If a man is abusing his wife may she divorce him.
If so, may she remarry?
We would say she may separate from him, but she may not remarry. She may remain single or be reconciled to her husband.
"Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband. But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife." - 1 Corinthians 7:10-11
If this is the case I guess I'm going to hell and nothing will change that.
@@crazyfatwhitegirl581 If, by "hell," you mean a place of eternal torture then, no, you are not going to hell, CFWG. Although most pastors would strenuously disagree with me, God does not intend to torture the dead. The dead are dead. That is what Paul was referring to when he wrote to the church at Rome, _"For the wages of sin is_ [eternal] _death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."_
if I was God, (and I am way short of that) I would say yes. and put the monster in jail for the rest of his life. Nobody has the right to ruin another person's life.. That said, she will need time to heal from the damage the abuser did to her
@@crazyfatwhitegirl581 God never intended that you be a punching bag for some monster who calls himself a believer. Most of these legalists are Rom Cath. They specialize in guilt tripping and having power. Be strong in the Lord, and in the strength of his might. and may the real joy of the Lord be your strength. and also, I abhor ANYONE who 'beats up' on someone just because they are divorced. Walk a day in their shoes, instead of trashing on them
Blind leading the blind. Both will fall into the ditch. Itching ears ministers...
Whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another, commits adultery - Mt 5-32, Mk 19-9.
Don't know if that applied to an adulterous husband, but I expect it would. Where does that leave the injured party (assuming they were innocent)? Are they free to remarry, having been betrayed and abandoned by their lawful spouse? I've seen no specific answer to that question. Things being the way they were in those times, perhaps a woman wrongfully divorced by a philandering or remarried husband was considered to be a widow and she and any children would be supported by community charity.
@REAL NEWS UNCUT & RAW so a murdered spouse isn't an injured party? What do you mean there is no injured party? If you beat yourself? Did Christ assault or abuse the church? Didn't God divorce Israel for breaking their vows and covenant?
@REAL NEWS UNCUT & RAW so worse is just allowing the other person to murder you or your children? There's no limit? I mean technically that's death due you part, but for you to say that in abuse, attempted murder or murder, there is no injured party is ridiculous.
@REAL NEWS UNCUT & RAW you said "no matter what". And there is "no injured party".
@REAL NEWS UNCUT & RAW please answer this question for me: how is it, that YHVH can break the blood covenant of an exsatanis; forgive the killing, the rapes, the killing of Christian people, all kinds of blasfemi. God sees their repented heart (like apostle Paul), forgives them and YHVH, doesn't demand from them to go to the authorities to turn themselves in, to prove that the are really sorry, but instead YHVH just forgives them. I know someone personally like that, and now he is preaching YHVH's word. But YHVH, demands from the divorce person who is now married to someone else, to break that covenant and either returned to his first wife or remain unmarried. YHVH, doesn't dissolve the first marriage, so if I don't divorce and stay single, I now continue to live in a state of adultery
Your video is misleading… John Piper has a hard stance on divorce… and he does not believe in divorce, EVEN on the grounds of adultery… however he’s saying he wouldn’t handle a couple in such a way where he is condemning and shaming them to death because they remarried… he believes there should be no remarriage under any circumstances unless one dies… so that small clip of him is misleading
No, it's not. It represents his position accurately. He doesn't tell people in adulterous remarriages they need to repent in any meaningful sense, which is a cowardly position and is accurately portrayed. Piper has a weak stance on divorce because he doesn't require repentance from marriages that he himself calls adulterous. His son Abraham has apostatized from the faith because of Piper's soft, cowardly, position on divorce and remarriage.
@@SaintAthanasiusChurch Agreed💯
It's because you are telling people that they cannot remarry and consequently they have to remain single and celibate. It has nothing to do with clarity in the Scriptures! Celibate being the operative word!
If you believe that’s arrogant to believe that then you don’t know Christs true teaching on covenant love in marriage.
too many sound bites....it would take, forever, to contest these false teachings....
Love will find a way
Its stronger than legalism
Even king david was allowed to take
Bathsheba and have solomon born!
Jesus said it was adultery to remarry, so are you saying He is arrogant. There is the true and false, the body of Christ and the temple harlots. They body of Christ follows Christ as He followed His Father.
No, we are saying Christ spoke truth. That it is adultery to remarry. And that these pastors who deny this are arrogant.
Please watch the whole documentary. We are siding with Christ over these pastors.
Nail The Colors To The Mast: Divorce, Remarriage, and The People of God documentary/interview - czcams.com/video/iV5zQ0fjUGU/video.html
It's a lie Jesus said let no man separate the only one that can separate his God and that's death everything else is adultery I don't care what the preacher say
Heresy
Jesus said if you remarry for any reason other than a spouse passing or committing adultery, you are an adulterer period and the Bible says there will be no adulterer's in heaven. Easy as that
@@viov1975 yes
@@viov1975 So you are saying they are forever condemned. what does 1 John 1 6-10 say?
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I'm not saying anything, I'm repeating what the bible says on the matter. Willfully sining everyday is seen differently by God. The word says if you leave a spouse for any reason other than the 2 I mentioned and remarry, you and your new spouse willingly live in sin.
Then the word says there will be no adulterers in heaven, seems very clear to me. You cannot commit adultery one night with your spouse, pray for forgiveness and than repeat the sin to your heart's desire. That's not how repenting of sin works and a marriage vow is the second most important covenant you can make in the bible. You can't make it then just throw it away.
@@viov1975 I have actually been reading it for over 50 years. but you are not having fellowship here, with other believers, but instead; are lecturing them. It is annoying. and you seem to think you know everything. Try being human.. unless you really are A.I.
Jesus clearly accepts divorce on grounds of sexual immorality Mathew 19:9 and Mathew 5:32. So u may say all u want but Jesus allowed divorce on those grounds and it's plain and clear. So if someone divorces his spouse due to sexual immorality it's OK and they hv committed no wrong.
What's sexual immorality? Lusting after a woman in your heart? God calls that adultery.
John MacArthur the calvinist says that man is so depraved that he is unable to seek God and then their doctrine blames God for causing sin...
John Calvin does....
“thieves and murderers, and other evildoers, are instruments of divine providence, being employed by the Lord himself to execute judgments which he has resolved to inflict.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 5)
“The devil, and the whole train of the ungodly, are in all directions, held in by the hand of God as with a bridle, so that they can neither conceive any mischief, nor plan what they have conceived, nor how muchsoever they may have planned, move a single finger to perpetrate, unless in so far as he permits, nay unless in so far as he commands, that they are not only bound by his fetters but are even forced to do him service” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 11)
John Piper does.....
"God . . . brings about all things in accordance with his will. In other words, it isn’t just that God manages to turn the evil aspects of our world to good for those who love him; it is rather that he himself brings about these evil aspects for his glory (see Ex. 9:13-16; John 9:3) and his people’s good (see Heb. 12:3-11; James 1:2-4). This includes-as incredible and as unacceptable as it may currently seem-God’s having even brought about the Nazis’ brutality at Birkenau and Auschwitz as well as the terrible killings of Dennis Rader and even the sexual abuse of a young child . . .
EVERY CALVINIST I HAVE TALKED TO DOES......
Jews thought salvation was only for them as the elect nation of God and could be achieved through works of the law. Calvinists think salvation is only for them as the Augustinian-elect of God. Ironically they both have the same elitist objections and can’t stand the fact that salvation is freely and genuinely offered to all through faith. Calvinists can even see the similarity between themselves and the Jews who boasted of their election. The irony is literally staggering. Calvinists are the 21st century Pharisees. Calvinism: Satan's way of unloading his responsibility for what he has done in this world and placing it on God.."God predetermined everything and caused everything including evil" If God predetermined everything..that means everything!! And so Calvinism places the blame of anything evil on God.. That is blasphemy..They follow a false god that is responsible for evil. I mean really?!? God gets glory by purposefully creating creatures that are intended to burn and suffer in unfathomably painstaking eternal torment as a way for Him to have glory?
I don't know if it is arrogant to believe this, but it is ignorant to believe that we are under legalism and law that Christ has done away with and freed us from. ALL things are lawful for us, but all things are not useful or beneficial. Stop condemning yourself, and enter into the rest that God has given us in Christ where there is NO CONDEMNATION.
You haven't understood that VERSE.. if that was the case, it will be ok in God's sight to rape since ALL THINGS ARE LAWFUL. Paul wasn't saying "All things are LAWFUL" himself.. he was using Corinth excuses to sin against them
@@chrisanok9283 actually you have not understood grace. All things are lawful because there is no law any more. Paul did say that not all things are helpful and if you make bad choices you may die or go to jail. From heaven's perspective sin no longer exists and if it did, I am exempt because I was crucified and no longer live.
@@bradharford6052 Modern antinomian heresy.
@@SaintAthanasiusChurch skubala
@@chrisanok9283 You do not understand real Salvation.
This remarriage is adultery position is very popular
Could have fooled me. I don't know any church, except for the Protestant Reformed Churches, which believe remarriage is adultery.
@@jackshannon777 Yeah because one of the biggest repeated phrase of ppl who hold this popular position is that this is the unpopular position that's why ppl don't agree. But I've researched and many many churches and countless people hold this position. You are one of many who hold this position. It is very popular
@@missinsanelogic Could you cite specific churches and people?
@@missinsanelogic I mean, if you read the doctrinal position of basically any church, they will give exceptions and qualifications which permit divorce and remarriage. From Roman Catholics to fundamentalist Baptists. They all permit divorce and remarriage in some form. So, they don't believe remarriage is adultery. But if there are countless people out there who believe it is adultery, I sure would like to know about them!
@@missinsanelogic And if you go into any church, there will be people who are divorced and remarried. So, those churches don't believe remarriage is adultery in any meaningful sense. To say this is a popular position truly takes some insane logic. ;)
There is no remarriage after divorce unless the spouse has died. It IS ongoing adultery to be living in a divorce and remarriage. To repent means we must call people to admit it and quit it which is LEAVING the adulterous relationship ie. asking forgiveness and going and sinning no more. These false teaching pastors WILL be judged and go to hell for leading people into adultery. Jesus is Lord, and He is coming very soon. Maranatha.
When we make a packed with God through marriage you cannot break it nor will God break it. A contract can be roken. Therefore if you know the conditions of marriage and you cannot obey them, don't get married. Plain and simple
So she ends up married to psycho whio beats her up. She is not allowed to leave him?? that's insane
@@glenw-xm5zfshe can leave, but the covenant remains until death. She can’t remarry.
@@jen8595 Disagree.
@@jen8595 Ok then let's condemn the victim to spend the rest of their life ALONE. I see this to mean to leave on in order to marry another is adultery. If you are ten years after the fact, then no. and usually the offender is the one who either shacks up or remarries long before the other one does
Why would anyone take marital advice from a book that says a woman was impregnated by a ghost.
Why would anyone take marital advice from a culture that can't even tell the difference between men and women?
@@SaintAthanasiusChurch you sound like a person who sees life in black and white. There is no room for your religious dogma in the future.
@@bigt6227 Actually, big T, it is the world's culture which will have no place in the future. Look around you. Everything you see, including yourself, will be melted in a global conflagration that, by all indications, is just a scant few years distant.
_But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and its works will be laid bare._ (2 Peter 3: 10, BSB)
@@IsaacNussbaum doubt it.... your death cult prophecies are always wrong. You people have been screaming the end is nigh, since the beginning. Always wrong.
@@bigt6227 _...you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. “Where is the promise of His coming?” they will ask. “ Ever since our fathers fell asleep, everything continues as it has from the beginning of creation.”_ (2 Peter 3:3-4, BSB)
The arrogance comes at the end. At 1:31
Divorce and remarriage is not a sin. The Bible never says "God hates divorce." It says, "God hates the putting away." Divorce and "putting away" are two different words in Hebrew, and the English translators either didn't know that, or didnt like that and changed it, like when they changed "Sabbath" to "first day," because they wanted to justify Sunday worship.
Sticking to divorce, again, God said he hates the putting away, which is what the pagan nations around Israel did. The Hebrews were to write a bill of divorce, and give the ex-wife her dowry back, so she then had something to live off of, and a legal right to remarry. If she was merely put out of the house and told not to return, she couldnt remarry, and had nothing.
Interestingly, today pastors preach the "putting away" all over again, saying just because your partner betrayed you, you have no options and are forever bent over a barrel.
But that's what we get for listening to pastors and theologians, and not God. Jeremiah 8:8, the scribes change the words of God. Or as Jesus said, they preach the traditions of man, while ignoring what God requires.
So if an egg is scrambled let it be??? NO! You throw it out; divorce the person you are in adultery with no matter how long they've been remarried. No wonder the churches are dying.
If you re marry and some pharisee tells you to divorce him.her. Tell them to hit the road.A nyone who would counsel you to divorce the second wife is a heartless monster.They are seeking to control you, from such turn away. they do not have the love of God in them, but instead 'religion' and they are not saved.. and many churches are dying because of power mad, power tripping legalists, who take pleasure in making others miserable.. and they RULE by FEAR
That is the sickest piece of man made doctrine i have seen in a month. Stay where you are and love that person. Total legalism
@@glenw-xm5zf If we are in sin we are to repent of our sin and as Jesus said go and sin no more. Jesus knew the woman would sin again because we are human but he was giving a blueprint on how to handle sin and repentance. When we sin we repent and turn away from that sin and basically say we aren't going to do it again. When you remarry while your spouse is alive that is Adultery and repenting only to continue to live in the sin daily is not true repentance.KJV Romans 6: 1-4
@@dceles3764 The bible does noit say he knew that
There is another option which is rarely discussed, if at all. Remain married but stop committing adultery (i.e. unlawful sexual relations).
and who cares what Paul says who's going to judge you on judgement day Jesus the Christ is so you better pay attention to what Jesus said don't turn Paul into a guy like these preachers are doing wake up people wake up
The Catholic Church is says no to remarriage unless anullment. I trust the churches teachings because of who is head of the church.... JESUS CHRIST.
I trust Jesus Christ Word over a pastor, priest etc. I believe what Jesus taught in His Word and not man.
Some of these pastors, like John Piper, aren’t saying remarriage is ok. They are saying if you are already remarried (esp if that marriage produced kids) then you can’t put the horse back in the barn. What’s done is done.
There ARE some pastors who say it’s ok and usually because they a.) are remarried themselves or b.) have officiated weddings of remarriage and that’s what they do.
I am divorced and it is the desire of my heart to remarry but I won’t and I am banking on my faith and obedience growing stronger. My ex-husband never remarried either but he has a common-law wife. He has his path and I have mine.
so what about same sex unions, with children....