Why did Parliamentarians Wear Orange and Royalists Wear Red in the English Civil War?
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2024
- So we often see the roundheaded Parliamentarian soldiers wearing sashes of orange, whilst fighting against the cavaliers (Royalists) who sport a crimson red sash. In this video I want to look into whether there's any historical basis for this.
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Wait, no Wilhelmus?
There were many armies fighting for Parliament. Essex's army wore tawny orange sashes, Waller's southern army wore green, Cromwell wore a white sash, Fairfax wore blue, others wore yellow, those sympathetic with the Leveller cause wore green. The New Model Army wore red (not blue). So, yes some Parliamentarians wore orange. Sashes were pretty much only worn by officers (there's a nice one on display in the V&A).
As for the notion Parliamentarians wore orange - blame the Victorians, who also put about the nonsense of cavaliers with big flouncy hats adorned with ostrich feathers, and Roundheads in helmets and rugby shirts. Both armies pretty much dressed the same. Sashes were the only identifier for whose army you belonged to.
On the other hand, rugby shirts could explain why Parliament won.
What, no Wilhelmus?
other than that a very interesting video.
Great period of history to cover, Hilbert! As someone who's fascinated by the 17th century, it is frustrating to find so few sources covering it. Would love to see a series on the Thirty Years War! Thanks for another interesting video.
Where are my Dutch memes?
I had always understood the reason the Parliamentary forces were associated with buff coats was they were using undyed leather. I don't know if I would call it orange maybe faded or dull yellow.
I think that it's important to remember that a great deal of the soldiery on either side were tenants following their landlord. So it should be no surprise they were wearing something closer to livery than uniforms.
WILHELMUS VAN NASSAUWE BEN IK VAN DUITSEN BLŒD!
Definitely interested in more English civil war
Wot no Dutch national anthem? A lot of Cromwell's roundheads had experience fighting in the Netherlands.
Can confirm many of my troops did have such experiences as you say.
Another possibility is that you're looking at paintings that were produced after 1688, when protestantism was established as the state religion of England, under queen anne and her consort, the protestant prince of hanover, from the house of orange in the netherlands. The colour orange was associated with protestant settlers that emigrated to ireland in the reign of queen anne. 40 years earlier, the Parliamentarians fighting against Charles I had been protestants, fighting against royalist catholics. What I'm getting to, is the likelihood that orange sashes became iconographic in works of commemorative art, 40 years after the fact of the civil war, because it anachronistically indicated the politics and religious convictions of individuals represented in the paintings.
totally agree, Orange is the politically charged colour of the period
Very interesting video
Great video and very interesting topic. The English Civil War is definitely a fascinating period. I'd also love to see more content about it. Are there any good books on the history of the period that you would recommend, Hilbert?
loved it!
As the cry went up then, and still is the cry today, "The future's bright; the future's Orange"!!!
6:20 Figured that Orange-Nassau would figure in this video.
Are you going to continue the sabaton series now that the sabaton history channel is starting? Too good idea, they got it also.
In the Scottish theatre of the war both sides had grey uniforms mostly, and both with saltire flags largely. Must've been a clusterfuck and a half!
Would love to see a video on the Montrose campaign in Scotland as part of your civil war series!
From what I've read orange was a common sash colour of the protestant forces on the continent during the 30 yrs war. Numerous soldiers in the ECW were mercenaries in the protestant armies during the 30 yrs war. Probably just adopted a standard colour easily recognized by fellow veterans. Montrose chose yellow, likely taken from the Scottish royal standard. The covenanter Scots wore blue.
Apparently it wasn't uncommon for an officer to become lost and separated in the gun smoke, only to see a group of soldiers standing about, so he rides up to them shouting orders. They respond by shooting him as he is an enemy officer, as seen by his coloured sash. Also a sharp eyed officer may notice those troops over there are wearing enemy coloured ribbons, often tied about the arm, and tosses his enemy identifying sash before getting too close. Easier to slip away unharmed if they don't realise you're the enemy.
As for jackets, they were provided by their colonel and would be in a colour of his choosing. He pays for the jackets, he chooses the colour. Both sides tended to choose similar colours to help add to the confusion.
The black puritan thing is a Victorian meme. Black would have been an expensive, therefore luxurious and extravagant colour to produce, and therefore not indicative of humility.
it's quite hard to be definite on lack of sources at current time, google is having many issues around getting any results from site content and the basic search function even functioning , hard to say why but that's the current situation as it stands , opotential references to primary sources may just not be showing up
If you're looking for coverage of the English civil war online, I suggest the Revolutions podcast by Mike Duncan. The English revolution is the first series in that podcast.
Of course, it could be that they scored a job lot of dye in that colour on the cheap! That is certainly how the New Model Army got it's Red coats.
The English Civil Wars are definitely underrepresented on CZcams, as is the entire pike and shot period. It's an interesting transition from traditional formations of melee and bow units to a mix of melee and firearms to majority firearms.
Also, the individual stories and motivations of those involved are varied and fascinating. Like Game of Thrones, but somehow crazier and less believable.
Anyway, if you post it, I'll watch it. Take care!
Outside of England in other parts of Britain it is known as the War of the Three Kingdoms (Scotland, England and Ireland)as there was Scottish Covenantars forces aligned initially with Parliament forces and Royalist armies both in Ireland and Scotland.
What was the name of the author/books mentioned at the end of the vid?
Oh the general wearing black sash on the left is William Fairfax I assume? He served under sir Thomas Fairfax (his cousin) whose color was blue🤔but it's true that the Fairfaxes were a very Puritan family. haven't noticed this before....weird
Another factor was the buff leather surcoat worn under armor. The natural color is close to orange. It was probably worn by both sides, so sashes to distinguish armies may well have served a useful purpose.
Well it is the biggest mixup that you have ever seen
My father he was orange and my mother she was -green- red
Very interesting and much ignored period, including the Thirty Years War.
Christopher Ellis
most unimportant Period
Some of the smallest details in history have big, and interesting, stories about them.
I thought the new model army wore read (parliamentarians)
Hey, even if you are going to have a revolution, you still have to look fresh as fuck. You get on that Catwalk, own that revolution.
I would have been very supprised if you didn't mention the dutch in one of your videos
They were cslled a Scarfe/Scarves and not Sashes. Both sides looked very much alike, before a battle armies would chose a Field Sign, from local flora such as beanstalk or tie strips of cloth or leather about theirn person to distinguish themselves from the enemy. They had Watchwords (Passwords) at Naseby the Royalists used Queen Mary. At Marston Moor Parliament used strips of white cloth.
Wel logisch dat ze Oranje zouden gebruiken omdat Nederland een Republiek was.
Great video as usual!
en ik denk ook wel een biased theorie, omdat je als nederlander graag daarover trots wilt zijn, nou ja in ieder geval nederland erbij willen betrekken
McOinky Ja het is wel een beetje biased natuurlijk, maar ik bedoelde niet te zeggen dat dit denk dat dit het goeie antwoord is, maar meer dat het niet onlogisch is. Ik weet hier niet genoeg over om te zeggen welke een hogere mogelijkheid heeft om de correcte reden te zijn voor het gebruik van Oranje.
The New Models uniform was red...Red was the cheapest dye...
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Wasn’t the orange version of the Dutch flag Royalist (Prinsgezind), while the Republican (Staatsgezind) flag had a red stripe -the modern red-white-blue with orange wimpel being a compromise between state and royalty?
As such, the wearing of orange by Roundheads in reference to the Dutch wouldn’t make much sense considering their probable Staatsgezindheid if opined on Dutch politics.
Well, the Roundheads weren't JUST republicans. They were ardent Protestants. In fact, Protestantism was probably more important to them than Republicanism, with the exception of the Levellers and Diggers. The Levellers were closer to the sort 18th century liberal republicanism that we're more familiar with. The Diggers were still very religious, but they used religion to promote an idealized egalitarian utopia. Most of the other factions were more interested in Protestantism than republican ideals, hence why Cromwell nearly achieved the same status as the Orange dynasty in the Netherlands.
In the Dutch Republic, the affiliations of the two factions were inverted. The Statists were the more religiously moderate types, while the Orangists were hardcore Calvinists. The Orange dynasty were defenders of Protestantism both within and abroad. So naturally, the British Isles Protestants would lean towards that color. Its the same reason why Ulster loyalists embrace the orange color to this day.
What? was it not the outher way. Didn't parliament use red and the royalist orange
Red figures prominently in the royal arms, as the colour of the field (background) in the English quarter and the lion and tressure in the Scottish quarter. I suspect that had more to do with its use by Royalists than St George's Cross in the English flag. That symbol was quite acceptable to the Parliamentarians: so much so that Cromwell used it in his coat of arms as Lord Protector in place of the three lions, which were too closely associated with the Hose of Stuart.
WAT ? WILHELMUS IS NIET IN DE VIDEO ???
damn victorians, both sides of the war wore a huge range of diverse colours based on the specific regiment lol
The only regiment which wore Orange on the parliamentarian side was the earl of Essex's regiment
Denzil Holles, Edward Montagu, and Lord Robartes regiments wore red
Cholmley, sir William constable, lord saye, sir john Meldrums, Aldrich, and the earl of Staffords regiments wore blue
Thomas Ballards and Sir John Merricks regiments wore Grey
John Hampden and the earl of manchester wore Green
Lord Brookes regiment wore purple
On the royalist side 7 out of the 14 regiments wore red and the colours of the new model army wore red, this is super basic knowledge
7:19
I know fashion was a bit weird back then...
but what in the name of science are these fucking boots?!?!?!?!
Fancy hi-tops - they outdo LA Gears
"Bucket tops."
The color Orange is really hinting at the Netherlands.
Bullshit its because of: WILHELMUS VAN NASSAUWE, BEN IK VAN DUITSEN BLOED!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm in no way endorsing this but....
King Billy yañ
"It is old but it is beautiful, and its colors they are fine
It was worn at Derry, Aughrim, Enniskillen and the Boyne. From my orange and purple forefather, it descended with galore
It's a terror to them Papish boys, The Sash My Father Wore.
So here I am in Glasgow town, youze boys and girls to see
And I hope that in good Orange style you will welcome me
A true blue blade that's just arrived from that dear Ulster shore
All on the twelfth day of July in The Sash My Father Wore.
Chorus
And when I'm going to leave yeeze all, "Good Luck," to youze I'll say
And as I cross the raging sea, my Orange flute I'll play
Returning to my native town, to old Belfast once more
To be welcomed back by Orangemen in The Sash My Father Wore."
I had to go look this up. I membered some of the lyrics but was a bit fuzzy since last time I went to a rangers match at Ibrox
CARROTS
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Oh yes, and early televisions were all black & white because of Calvinism.
Mostly likely is that the Orange sash is Orange due to the connection with
Family connection to The House of Orange in The Netherlands also Orange is a Calvinist colour or seen to be hence why we have
Orange Walks or Parades as they are called in Ulster.
I was brought up a Calvinist that's how I know about The orange being a Calvinist Colour alsi Purple & Blue would be seen as Calvinist Colours aswell but primarily Orange is ued first & foremost.
I a a Spiritualist now.
I would agree that Red is ssen as a very Royal Colour but I am somewhat Suprised that Green was not tusen buy The Royalists.
It could be a rugged that
That we know as The English Civil War was actually started in Edinburgh when The Scottish Calvinists refused to have Bishop & was a result of The Bishops Wars that then lead to The War of The Three Kingdoms also known more commonly but incorrectly as
The English Civil War Scots where heavily involved aswell.
There was also a lot of switching from one side to the other depending on how looked more likely to win the war loyalty was rasy bought back in they days.
Keep Safe.
AAAH ffs what is WRONG with youtube today, it's like a smorgasboard of good content, I can't keep up
goddammit this; A Sam O'Nella video; forking 12 tone's Understanding Pink Floyd's Music; HTME's Science of Transparency and Refraction; Overly Sarcastic's Post-Apocalyptic video; forking Groudhog Day Songified; Vox's DeLorean history; Errant Signal's Broken Reality, Vaporwave, and Irony; AVGN-guy's Underrated Action Movies; vlogbrother's CZcams and Copyright in 2019; Tomska's Last Month I asked you; Business Casual's video on how Edison helped create Hollywood; I Hate Everything's return to form
is it because of ... Nauru?
There's a lot of interesting Christian sects and social experiments round that time as well,I quite like the ranters myself.
Didn’t the new model army wear red because the dye was cheap?
Protestant forces on the continent also wore orange.
Wait, Hilbert spent an extended period of time talking about a possible link to the Dutch, without playing the Dutch national anthem??? What is this heresy?!!
WILHELMUS VAN NASSAUWE BEN IK VAN DUITSEN BLOED
Also, praise the LORD for Cromwell's victory!
Samuel Yahata Cromwell was a murderous traitor and deserved to have been executed.
@@baronofbahlingen9662 Eric Jon Phelps and his book Vatican Assassins disagree.
@@Samuel070793 But us nobles and royalists agree.
@@cxarhomell5867 You can agree what you want, but explain it to the LORD in the Great White Throne Judgement!
I thought Red was the cheepest die ???😢 only saying? ? Dodgy school man!!!😅
Orange ! favorite color in Israel.
4:11 Charlie knighting Catholics...because secretly he was one of them!
Samuel Yahata Good, better than a Puritan tyrant.
Did he not convert on the eve of his death?
Fun fact shortly after his dead he was a head shorter than prior to it.
@@12345678900987659101 He was converted sometime before his coronation in 1625, with Henrietta Maria's Jesuit confessor being his handler.
@Jonathan Williams yes they do.
@Jonathan Williams Look, it's very weird to me someone with the Confederate and Gadsden flags as profile picture to defend a Crypto-Catholic tyrant who had Jesuit handlers, and tried to reinstate the temporal power of the pope in today's UK territory. Now, regarding what had i "smoked", is Vatican Assassins, by Eric Jon Phelps.
I thought Red was the cheepest die ???😢 only saying? ?😣 dodgy school man😅
Orange always meant Protestant because of the Dutch.
You're posting about the War of the Three Kingdoms, right? Cos you called it something else.
Using a term like "English Civil War" is pretty broken. It started in Scotland and ended in Ireland.
The English Civil War is a theatre within the wars of the three kingdoms, hence wars and not war.
Well, if you want to be pendantic you could lump it into the Thirty Years War if you like. That being said the video is speaking to the issue of Cavalier and Roundhead uniforms and not about Covenanters or Irish Confederates.
Ew don't steal our names, when you say Three kingdoms, everyone will think of the Chinese one anyways
A nice video to celebrate the 370 years of Charlie's execution!
Samuel Yahata well then, I see what side you’d support lol
First
Long live the republic.
We now wear yellow vests ...the establishment wear our blood
Green was worn by the Irish Leprechaunists
Wait, no Wilhelmus?