Stewart Copeland - "There Are Two Kinds Of Musicians"

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    Legendary drummer/composer Stewart Copeland (The Police) sits down with Terry Bozzio, Chad Smith, John Bryant and host Don Lombardi for a fascinating and wide-ranging roundtable interview.
    "Dare To Drum" is a 90-minute, tour-de-force documentary featuring an incredible, multi-cultural performance of Stewart Copeland's symphonic masterpiece- bringing the Dallas Symphony Orchestra together with the world-renowned Gamelan Orchestra, D'Drum. Also included are interviews with Stewart, conductor Jaap van Zweden and producer John Bryant as well as behind the scenes footage of the rehearsals and concert.
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Komentáƙe • 520

  • @M2Mil7er
    @M2Mil7er Pƙed 5 lety +536

    There are three kinds of drummer: Those who can count, and those who can't.

  • @davidkosa
    @davidkosa Pƙed 3 lety +202

    The Police could not have made such an amazing sound if it were not for that man.

  • @TwelveDeck
    @TwelveDeck Pƙed 5 lety +194

    Stewart's passion just screams at you.

  • @spunkybrewster1972
    @spunkybrewster1972 Pƙed 5 lety +522

    Best thing about Copeland is that he could bully Sting.

    • @jracerichards
      @jracerichards Pƙed 4 lety +10

      Who's going to the bank more?

    • @m.j.richmond6546
      @m.j.richmond6546 Pƙed 4 lety +64

      Junior Richards
      Stewart is doing fine. $80 million net worth is a decent chunk for a drummer.đŸ€Ÿ

    • @golfhound
      @golfhound Pƙed 4 lety +23

      @@m.j.richmond6546 darn right. After about $20 million, it's just a number in the bank. with that amount of $, you can buy that private jet and yacht. maybe not a Gulfstream, but definitely a very nice craft for $3 million. Stewart is doing just fine. He's not making as much in royalties as Sting. But he's playing with a great band, Gizmodome, and doing what he wants in life.

    • @aldoleone1979
      @aldoleone1979 Pƙed 4 lety +3

      Really? Didn’t Sting tell him once that he wasn’t a great drummer and he didn’t touch the kit for years after that ???

    • @tarfathewise
      @tarfathewise Pƙed 3 lety +19

      Sting knows how much that guy meant to him.

  • @jedidrummerjake
    @jedidrummerjake Pƙed 3 lety +75

    My old drum instructor told me "sometimes you gotta get your head out of the music and get the music in your head."

  • @daverawcliffe3212
    @daverawcliffe3212 Pƙed 3 lety +79

    He’s a genius, and in my opinion one of the greatest percussionist ever

  • @xTheFly
    @xTheFly Pƙed 5 lety +10

    I know that I've seen a few people say this, I'll say it here... without Stewart Copeland, the Police would NOT have had the same success at all. Sting owes this man his career. (Big time Sting and Police fan here)

  • @brettness2186
    @brettness2186 Pƙed 3 lety +60

    Now I get why Stewart and Neil Peart were close friends, both excellent at expressing themselves verbally and hitting things with sticks!

  • @BelgianDrummer
    @BelgianDrummer Pƙed 5 lety +335

    Weird that nobody here is mentioning Frank Zappa. If there is one guy who did both it’s him. Zappa was a brilliant ear musician and a fantastic composer. He pushed Bozzio to be the best player he could be and he did this with all his musicians.

    • @riched283
      @riched283 Pƙed 5 lety +27

      Well told. Zappa could write music on paper for whatever band he was leading at a given time but he also could improvise brilliantly. One of the most underrated guitar players in the history of rock

    • @nomoretez
      @nomoretez Pƙed 5 lety +11

      Boz is the best one in the room

    • @cockcockson7965
      @cockcockson7965 Pƙed 5 lety +58

      They did mention Zappa. Stewart says in the beginning to Bozzio, that Bozzio is badshit at reading musiccharts, and Terry replies, that he has read some black shit, referring to the Black Page written by Zappa.

    • @CornelionSigismon
      @CornelionSigismon Pƙed 5 lety +36

      They did! at 00:26, Bozzio says "...I played some black shit", reference to "the black page" by Zappa.
      The title came from the fact that the score was so full of notes that the page looked totally(almost) black.
      On a side note, Zappa admitted he was a terrible reader, and probably would have fail had he had to pass an audition to enter his own group.

    • @johnayres2303
      @johnayres2303 Pƙed 5 lety +9

      Luk Schrijvers Yes but most Jazz musicians can read and obviously improvise. Many Jazz musicians started classical training then get side tracked to Jazz.

  • @normanspurgeon5324
    @normanspurgeon5324 Pƙed 5 lety +37

    I don't care how many times a classical musician plays a certain piece- it always come out different. Master classes are about infusing life into a written phrase. I have a great admiration for symphony players, for , among other things, their tone and pitch production- outstanding. They are using their ears, believe me.

    • @migamusic3452
      @migamusic3452 Pƙed 3 lety +3

      Sheet music is like "connect the dots". Some connect it with shaky lines, some with beautiful arches. We would only really know how Fur Elise was intended to be played if we could hear Beethoven play it. Never mind that when he was composing it, he was not writing at the desk but improvising at his piano.

    • @sgt.thundercok4704
      @sgt.thundercok4704 Pƙed 3 lety +6

      I wish I could remember the band/song but I watched a new version of a rock song a few years back, done with the band, but with an orchestra backing. And it was so beautiful, and then the orchestra players start smiling and swaying as they played, and you could FEEL their energy through their playing. It is definitely more than just playing static notes off a page.
      Copeland sounded like an amateur spewing on here, to be honest. I get his passion, but don't be so passionate about flinging bullshit.
      And I'm just a guitar and vox rocker and can't read sheet music at all. Well except when I had to force myself to, to program the synth and keyboards from sheet music for a few songs. Aye, that was painful. I learned a lot. And forgot it all as soon as I was done.

  • @Matthew-ez4ze
    @Matthew-ez4ze Pƙed 5 lety +80

    Stewart Copeland has always blown my mind with his intellectual perspective. I work in different disciplines and what he is saying is so absolutely true.

  • @horstbaur7797
    @horstbaur7797 Pƙed 5 lety +310

    When Stewart talks, I shut up and listen.

    • @bryede
      @bryede Pƙed 5 lety +3

      I roll my eyes sometimes too. He can spin a yarn, as it were.

    • @aybee63
      @aybee63 Pƙed 5 lety +10

      When Stewart talks, you have to listen coz you wont be able to get a word in any way!

    • @NOWtheband
      @NOWtheband Pƙed 3 lety

      @@aybee63 - Ha ha, perfectly put!
      :-)

    • @SuperFlanders123
      @SuperFlanders123 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      Indeed. He's droppin' serious knowledge. Im a drummer,and Im listening.

  • @captainbeastazoid7084
    @captainbeastazoid7084 Pƙed 5 lety +5

    I am both a musician of the ear and the eye. I have a degree in music but I've also played in several rock and cover bands over the years. When I see all the comments here saying that musicians of the eye have no soul or feeling, I think that is the insecurity and inferiority complex of non-trained musicians rearing it's head. If I've learned anything from playing with musicians who know nothing about theory, it's that a good number of them are insecurity about their lack of technical knowledge. In a way, they have to believe that their relationship with music is somehow superior to the guy who has spent his whole life engaged in the art of music and who's passion for it is so great that he was willing to spend his childhood, teen years, and adulthood engaged in musical development. Now don't get me wrong!!! There are many, many, many musicians who can't read who are phenomenal in their respective fields (rock, jazz, blues, etc.) but the notion that a trained musician is ultimately a useless automaton is absolutely is absurd. All of the great classical musicians, most of the great jazz players, most film score composers, and a decent number of Pop/Rock musicians are thoroughly trained in the technical aspects of music. Perhaps the majority of rock or blues or rap musicians are not but that is because technical prowess and theoretical understanding is unnecessary for those particular genres of music!!! The skill set is different. It's more improvisatory and loose. Most genres and styles of music are great and have their own types of brilliance. But I do reject this silly notion that trained musicians are incapable of expressing emotion. Tell that to Bach. To Debussy. To Miles Davis. To John Williams. To Frank Zappa. And so on. I hate to break it to you guys but there does exist a world outside of Jimmy Page and Eric Clapton solos and riffs. Jimmy Page and Eric Clapton type music and related styles of music is EPIC, yes. But let's not pretend that there isn't mountains of brilliant music across many other genres and fields

    • @ronaldcammarata3422
      @ronaldcammarata3422 Pƙed 5 lety

      Yes. In early rock n roll, orchestra musicians only played anf lidtened to the classicd-or some did jazz. But, yes, they didn't rock. Maybe even didn't approve of rock n roll at all. But today, lots of kids in conservatories grew up loving and playing rock n roll. So they get both.

  • @vibefrequencyable
    @vibefrequencyable Pƙed 3 lety +24

    He is a gem. I could listen to him all day.

  • @evyatarhadar8867
    @evyatarhadar8867 Pƙed 3 lety +14

    I love that even after all these years, he's still as passionate as he was when he was young. Brilliant musician.

  • @GameboyGuitar
    @GameboyGuitar Pƙed 5 lety +37

    He's so damn compelling. Always gets my full attention.

  • @MobiusBandwidth
    @MobiusBandwidth Pƙed 3 lety +3

    I could listen to Stewart drum or talk, all day.

  • @TheFtocFactor
    @TheFtocFactor Pƙed 3 lety +3

    I like listening to Stewart talk.
    I really appreciate that he doesn't dis either styles of musicians, but acknowledges one is better at doing this and the other is better at doing that. And I also like his humility acknowledging that while the kid out of music school can't rock, he's much faster at doing a music score.
    Would be awesome to be ambidexstrous in this regard!

  • @HLHenderson1970
    @HLHenderson1970 Pƙed 5 lety +108

    Wow that is the best damn explanation I've ever heard of the difference between reading and listening

  • @rohanroll
    @rohanroll Pƙed 4 lety +12

    Such a gift to hear this man speak. Such an original guy. Such a genius.

  • @viennapalace
    @viennapalace Pƙed 3 lety +15

    The only time I have ever felt close to other human beings was when playing in an orchestra. When it all comes together the way it was intended, it is a beautiful feeling...

    • @crisprtalk6963
      @crisprtalk6963 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      Same thing with a 3,4, or 5 piece rock/pop group.

  • @Keith.s_Sun
    @Keith.s_Sun Pƙed 3 lety +8

    What a group of living legends.

  • @keefriff99
    @keefriff99 Pƙed 5 lety +32

    Stewart is a goddamn genius...love listening to him speak.

  • @BluesLicks101
    @BluesLicks101 Pƙed 5 lety +35

    Stewart Copeland has become an awesome mentor to millions: The Man on the Silver Mountain.

  • @deloreanized
    @deloreanized Pƙed 5 lety +332

    Disclaimer: some musicians are good at both approaches.

    • @lynnturman8157
      @lynnturman8157 Pƙed 5 lety +31

      Yes. It's called jazz.

    • @Fos3tex
      @Fos3tex Pƙed 5 lety +12

      I do both. I started out classically trained on a variety of instruments, then moved to drums. I can read music, write music, and play by ear also.

    • @chavruta2000
      @chavruta2000 Pƙed 5 lety +9

      lately, there are more and more. but it's still rare. They are both very consuming.

    • @TheWitchOvAgnesi
      @TheWitchOvAgnesi Pƙed 5 lety +12

      As all should be. Disclaimer: I'm good at neither.

    • @danielclee1
      @danielclee1 Pƙed 5 lety +4

      Toto 👍

  • @ericheine2414
    @ericheine2414 Pƙed 3 lety +4

    There two kinds of musicians the ones we hear and the ones were never going to hear. Growing up in a recording studio one of my saddest realizations was that there are some truly great musicians that we are never going to get to hear. Heartbreaker. Stewart did I meet you at the Avery Hotel through Meme?

  • @drvee1983
    @drvee1983 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    I’ve rarely met great classically trained musicians/performers that could play by ear. When you do, they are probably going to blow your mind musically, but can rarely play blues or rock. The most I’ve met were pianist/keyboard players who could “ crossover “ with me as a guitarist. But when you meet a flautist or violinist that can, it’s a rare moment. A “ fiddle “ player is different. Stuart Copeland has never made a musical comment I could disagree with. Nor would I. He’s a master, and a RIDICULOUS percussionist.

  • @koshersalaami
    @koshersalaami Pƙed 3 lety +6

    I really, really get this. I’m classically trained, though in the last few decades I’ve played way more rock than classical, but I’ve always been better with my ears than my eyes. Using the page helps with certain kinds of coordination, particularly polyphonic coordination, and it also helps with memory, particularly if the part is detailed. But he’s right about eye-based musicians. I went to college at a place with a conservatory full of really good musicians who, if you asked them to play Mary Had A Little Lamb or Twinkle Twinkle, would ask you to write it out for them. I once had to explain to a classical musician (a very smart one) how to play by ear. He could play a few instruments and he was a good singer. Well, the thing about being a singer is you can’t be one without being able to duplicate intervals, even if you don’t know what they’re called. You literally can’t carry a tune without doing that because that’s what carrying a tune is. He knew very well what the intervals were called. I asked him if he could recognize intervals in any given melody that he could name. “Of course.” “So if you know what the intervals are, you know what the next note is. Play it.” There is sort of another way to do it because you can track the note by one of two intervals: either the jump from the last note played or the jump to an interval figured from the key you’re in. Example: You’re in C. You’re jumping from F up to A. You can either think you’re jumping a major third or you can think you’re jumping from 4 to 6. I very often use the latter, because relating to the key I’m in at the moment tells me where I am.

  • @jasoncampbell3955
    @jasoncampbell3955 Pƙed 3 lety +2

    Love the way Copeland explains music... Priceless.

  • @commonman317
    @commonman317 Pƙed 3 lety +5

    Thank You Stewart!! A valid and vindicating insight. At 53 yrs old, I've always been an amateur drummer who could learn a song by ear quickly. But, to this day, I just cannot understand and keep up with reading drum sheet music. It kills me, like taking a Calculus 3 course or something. Why is it so difficult for me, I don't know.

  • @MichelJosephCardin
    @MichelJosephCardin Pƙed 3 lety +11

    Eventually the perfect Symphony Or. players don't read it any longer and all together give it the feel that the conductor shapes it along with them. Cheers

  • @nathanwalsh3028
    @nathanwalsh3028 Pƙed 5 lety +22

    Someone needs to take and bottle his energy. Love it!!

  • @5Antvin
    @5Antvin Pƙed 3 lety +2

    Terry Bozzio -what a brilliantly creative drummer !

  • @j.s.connolly8579
    @j.s.connolly8579 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    Strew is one of my TOP FIVE FAV Drummers of ALL TIME!
    I got to meet him in Milwaukee back in the 80's and He was SUPER COOL! VERY Approachable and just LOVED to talk and talk about Drumming and Music and Movies and WHATEVER Came up! Just one of THE BEST OF ALL TIME!
    LOVE YOU STEW! Thanks for the AWESOME MUSIC! :D

  • @chasmenear7130
    @chasmenear7130 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    Copeland is a compassionate genius. I am a giant fan of his straightforward language- which mimics his amazingly articulate playing!

  • @jfo3000
    @jfo3000 Pƙed 5 lety +9

    Stew's statement is one guy's experience. My experience is that I was taught guitar by a master degreed in music, classical / flamenco guitarist. He could improvise, ala flamenco and rock. He could read, from his university studies. He had feel, soul. He could rock with feel. He was an inspiration in every way. Along with our sheet music studies he showed me less than ten rock songs, pentatonic scale, open C major scale, all within a few weeks. He then said "You teach yourself the rock stuff on your own by ear, you're good enough at that now to do it on your own, in here we'll continue to learn off the page". This was a great approach as learning by ear gave me a great, great ear, and off the page with him we got into duscussions regarding technique, theory, and composition with a piano sitting close by for visual aid. All of his students did well. When I started playing in bands three years later I found the rock kids didn't understand much about how music was put together. I was lucky the universe put my teacher, Craig Sams, in my path. I ultimately went down a hard rock / metal path, stopped reading and I can no longer read. That will slip away if you don't keep it up. So my experience is very different than Stew's having had the opportunity to study one on one with a guy that was both ear and eye. Those people do exist, though not in large quantities. To agree with Stew, there might not be a single one of these individuals sitting in any given orchestra. But these folks are out there. If you meet one take some private lessons with them, you'll be glad you did.

    • @Xplora213
      @Xplora213 Pƙed 3 lety

      Guitar is a unique instrument - they can cross paths because the culture has two paths for it. Classical, and rock. But you will not find many mid level pianists or violinists who can rock or feel the music. They read it. And they have to, because they don’t improvise regularly.
      I’ve been playing guitar for 20 years. Can’t sight read for crap despite trying to learn 12 years ago. You want to know why I gave up? I don’t have to learn to sight read to make music. I think Notion lets you program MIDI with guitar tab now. I can do orchestra with that. That’s the challenge. The staff is not the language, the sound is, and our modern music culture understands that.

  • @DillonMcSwain
    @DillonMcSwain Pƙed 5 lety +12

    Love this guy what he's saying is true. I play by ear and I base my playing around a general Melody and improvisation

  • @elvislives-gl4rv
    @elvislives-gl4rv Pƙed 5 lety +68

    And this is why Mozart, Vivaldi and Beethoven are geniuses.

    • @genustinca5565
      @genustinca5565 Pƙed 5 lety +1

      Don't forget Bach

    • @wbiro
      @wbiro Pƙed 5 lety

      @@genustinca5565 Noooooo... Bach was all about the written note... the more like a machine you were, the better...

    • @wbiro
      @wbiro Pƙed 5 lety

      Mozart and Beethoven both liked to improvise (to 'kick out the jams')... and were very good at it... sadly, recording technology did not exist then...

    • @ata5855
      @ata5855 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@wbiro Nonsense. Bach improvised all the time.

    • @frankmerendino1855
      @frankmerendino1855 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@wbiro no he wasn't. Bach was an incredible improviser, known for engaging in contests. He went up against the lutenist S.L. Weiss in one, also a noted improviser and virtuoso of the day.
      Figured bass, from the baroque, would also demand that the keyboard player improvise over it, in the style. Scores were often written by Bach, and others of the day, without ornamentation, assuming that the player would know how to add it in appropriately.
      Bach would also transcribe his own scores for different instruments or ensembles, and freely make practical changes, showing that he wasn't married to the letter of the score. He was a practical musician, functioning within a culture and style that demanded use of the ear, taste, and knowledge of style that would shape real time playing beyond the written note.
      You consider him anachronistically, from a later classical music perspective.

  • @dynjarren7523
    @dynjarren7523 Pƙed 5 lety +4

    Wow! Steward Copeland and Terry Bozzio. Two of the greatest Polyrhythmic Drummers of All Time together in the same room! Amazing! Copeland’s Great but I actually think Bozzio plays more Advanced Polyrhythms than even Copeland could handle. Copeland was Great with the Dub Reggae Polyrhythms but Bozzio could play Any Polyrhythms you can imagine even! He is Incredible! I’ve seen some of his playing and it’s unbelievable the Complexities and Intricate Rhythms and Beats he can play! He is on a higher level than any drummer or percussionist I’ve ever seen! I’m a Fan of both but Bozzio is on a higher plane!

  • @finckel2682
    @finckel2682 Pƙed 4 lety +4

    I love the way he mixes an American and a British accent in some vowels.

  • @gregsmith7809
    @gregsmith7809 Pƙed 3 lety

    63 Y.O. Ben to a 100 concerts.Including Led Zep.The drummers never moved me.Went to see SRV. Jeff Beck opened withTerry Bozio on drums. Afterwards all I could say was wow did you hear Becks drummer!

  • @jonsilence
    @jonsilence Pƙed 5 lety +12

    Copeland's insight and Terry Bozzio's smile: the Dynamic Duo! BTW, any truth to the rumor that a 'Back to the Future' reboot is in the works with Copeland playing Christopher Lloyd's part of Doc Brown? Perfect casting choice!

  • @td-12kx53
    @td-12kx53 Pƙed 3 lety +2

    I once knew a very talented saxophone player who played only by notation. I invited him to jam with our blues band which had keys, horns, guitar, bass, drums, and harp. He was too intimidated because he said he did not know how to play without sheet music! He said he didn’t know the first thing about improvisation. How sad!

  • @bigtrouble4447
    @bigtrouble4447 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    love him or hate him hes a beautiful talent that i am happy to have been able to experience his vision.... ty Stew... peace

  • @martinheath5947
    @martinheath5947 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    It is possible to reach the pinnacle of both and some musicians can do this

  • @rodciferri9626
    @rodciferri9626 Pƙed 3 lety +2

    Stewart is one of the greats, for sure - his work on "Roxanne" is particularly excellent!

  • @dinodeluca6210
    @dinodeluca6210 Pƙed 5 lety +11

    Stewart Copeland....great musician, great human being!

  • @kirk8481
    @kirk8481 Pƙed 5 lety +21

    Damn I like hearing him talk

    • @edwnorris
      @edwnorris Pƙed 3 lety +1

      A bit like Bill Walton. Same passion, a bit less BS.

  • @BloggerMusicMan
    @BloggerMusicMan Pƙed 3 lety

    I'm no professional musician, but I've seen both types of approaches in action. I was in my high school concert and jazz bands and I played in rock bands, even for a little bit as an adult. I also got drum lessons from an orchestral and rock drummer.
    I see enormous value in both. There's a certain kind of discipline in being able to read a page and figure out the music on the page. You often have to practice lines over-and-over to really get it right, both on your own and in a practice setting. There's a really intense discipline that comes with that which can help your ability to play and get better.
    But I also think playing by ear, improvising, mixing, feeding off of each other and the crowd in the moment is its own kind of skill. There's something infectious about the feel that comes from popular music (meaning jazz, rock, reggae, hip-hop, etc).

  • @CipherSerpico
    @CipherSerpico Pƙed 5 lety +2

    This is a truly great clip.
    I hope they continue getting these kinds of philosophical discussions.

  • @GraemeSPa
    @GraemeSPa Pƙed 3 lety

    He is right - I play music from inside. I can read the dots, but not sight read but I can make my guitar sing. I know extremely capable musicians who cannot play unless given a chart. Play it from the heart, man.

  • @swikkis
    @swikkis Pƙed 3 lety +6

    I have been a musician for 35 years and I can tell you that there are musicians that can read, rock play jazz and write. They exist and some of them are very young.

    • @bacht4799
      @bacht4799 Pƙed 3 lety

      Sir .. if it’s alright too say so .. in my hobble opinion always respect effort and discipline that’s why this young people are so great the practice so much that it’s unthinkable for regular people like myself and others.. keep on the good work sir and thanks for your input..

  • @davidh6362
    @davidh6362 Pƙed 3 lety

    He's making some valid points. I was a conservatory brat and gigged pro as a brass player for many years. Now, in my 50's, I got myself a nice drum kit and have been playing every day as a casual pursuit - and I do much better when looking at the books than when I'm just attempting to jam. It stems back to my classical days - I wasn't getting paid to be creative. I was getting paid to get it right. Every. Single. Time.

  • @GlobalTubeTruth
    @GlobalTubeTruth Pƙed 3 lety +2

    Two words.... Miles and Davis. 'Nuff said.

  • @ianmackenzie686
    @ianmackenzie686 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    In spite of this speech I still think reading music is an asset. Being able to "rock" is subjective.

  • @MethenySco
    @MethenySco Pƙed 5 lety +1

    Improvising classical musicians exist, but they are rare. Classical musicians also have the best ears, since it's important to be able to read a score and hear it in your head.

  • @JonFinnguitar
    @JonFinnguitar Pƙed 3 lety

    I love Stuart Copeland’s playing. He’s very well spoken and has obviously thought quite a lot about his point of view. Except that he hasn’t met very many classical musicians. He doesn’t know that many of them consider reading the music and following the conductor as signs of weakness.

  • @Gitfiddle
    @Gitfiddle Pƙed 5 lety

    He’s right on the money. I tried to jam a couple times with some musicians that were fresh out of music school who studied classical music and orchestral playing. They had no idea how to jam even if we gave them the key signature. It blew my mind. Now that’s not everyone of course. Plenty of people get out of music school and understand how to read write and jam. But there are a lot that don’t.

  • @_SliK_
    @_SliK_ Pƙed 3 lety +5

    I like how they didn’t say that one is better.

  • @JesusChrist5000
    @JesusChrist5000 Pƙed 3 lety

    Stewart Copeland is a very intelligent and charismatic guy.

  • @promisespleases
    @promisespleases Pƙed 5 lety +1

    Well summed up. Both are needed to develop. Hearing is feeling and feeling is loving. So when you love music enough, you have the energetic commitment to move your body to give to the music making. Knowing how to read music opens them up to musical reception in a whole new way. Like reading words off a page if you were a writer looking to inspired to write their own novel, reading music immediateLy makes your body play the music you probably have never ever heard before. And wow, you just made music. And it isn't that hard to read. You just have to get used to where ALL the notes are on your instrument. For guitarists I would say that knowing by pointing to any place on the fret board and name the note is a precursor to getting to read music in a short space of time.

  • @Monsterdrumma
    @Monsterdrumma Pƙed 5 lety +3

    This is great! Thing is Bozzio plays that entire orchestra Stewart is talking about by himself when he drums be it is all drums and no strings literally but he is playing and entire put by himself, mind blowing!

  • @michaelgreen7941
    @michaelgreen7941 Pƙed 5 lety +1

    Stewart's explanation is a masterclass of music. The example of both visual & aural musician IMHO is Nile Rodgers. Great explanation Stewart.

  • @JohannesYtterstrom
    @JohannesYtterstrom Pƙed 3 lety +1

    He reminds me a bit about The Doors Ray Manzarek as a person on screen. Both seem (seemed RIP Ray) like very nice people. Very articulate too!

    • @SelectCircle
      @SelectCircle Pƙed 3 lety +1

      Lord - can you imagine Stewart's having to deal with Morrison? o_O
      You're late! And drunk! And you just missed 20 great ideas I had! We can't operate like this!

  • @chrispile3878
    @chrispile3878 Pƙed 5 lety +1

    As always - much wisdom from Stewart.

  • @philcollinshill2951
    @philcollinshill2951 Pƙed 5 lety

    Stewart Copeland is my favorite black metal keyboard player

  • @maxvoloshin_nefariousaquarius

    I'm proudly a musician of both the eye and ear.

  • @JoeIzzo
    @JoeIzzo Pƙed 5 lety +4

    Crazy Bugger, Stewart is! endlessly entertaining!

  • @debonaire_nerd
    @debonaire_nerd Pƙed 3 lety +7

    *Stage hand:* "So, do you want to dress like a rapper, Alexander McQueen at the Met Gala or a basket baller?"
    *Chad Smith:* "Yes"

  • @unadomandaperte
    @unadomandaperte Pƙed 5 lety

    I love the way He thinks. Stewart is a Drum God!

  • @NoEnemiesHere
    @NoEnemiesHere Pƙed 3 lety

    Don't forget the orchestral musician does all that and listens with the ear. So yea he does hear what the other player is playing. That's what differentiates a band from another, or orchestra from another. Exceptional musicians. As is he.

  • @blazersaint144
    @blazersaint144 Pƙed 3 lety

    Fascinating commentary from one of the best rock drummers of all time. For my money Copeland WAS the Police, Sting and Summers were riding his talent.

  • @danielclee1
    @danielclee1 Pƙed 5 lety +2

    To all the inverted snobs here suggesting ear musicians have soul while eye musicians do not really need to spend more time in the company of classical musicians. They have soul - Jeez, do they have soul ❀

    • @futureghost6932
      @futureghost6932 Pƙed 3 lety

      eye musicians have soul, just not as much soul as ear musicians, I agree! ❀

  • @robnamowicz8073
    @robnamowicz8073 Pƙed 5 lety +9

    Always remember what great country musicians say when asked, "Do you read music?"
    "Not enough to hurt my playin' any,,,"

    • @jfleminator
      @jfleminator Pƙed 4 lety

      "Great country" is a true oxymoron

  • @Blujonny11
    @Blujonny11 Pƙed 3 lety

    I remember as a drummer in concert band in high school, occasionally I would ad lib 'a bit' on a snare part. Not enough to get the teacher's attention but I did it. As a drummer you do 'anything' in school to hear the 'snicker' of the other drummers.

  • @elmoomle4565
    @elmoomle4565 Pƙed 5 lety

    Eye or ear...it's all about the 'feel'. Stewart is articulate, awesome.

  • @mostpeoplearebots
    @mostpeoplearebots Pƙed 5 lety +29

    so true-
    i'd go a step further and say musicians of the eye and ear can almost be so different in nature that they should almost be called two different names rather than both musicians.
    and it's another reason as a musician of the ear, i'm not much of a fan of the musicians who learn from music schools.
    musicians of the eye are similar and almost represent another category of two different types of musicians-
    musicians of the soul/ear vs musicians of the school/eye.

    • @user-oy7gz5bf2h
      @user-oy7gz5bf2h Pƙed 5 lety +2

      Weeeeeeeeeeeelllllllll. I'm a bit weary of such arguments. Part of it is semantics. We have to agree on the meaning of the words we use. To me, a great classical musician HAS to have a good ear. That means years of ear training, sight singing and learning to transcribe pieces BY EAR. No real classical player worth his salt plays only relying on sight and muscle memory. (I didn't even mention working on tone and articulation, all needing intense listening) BUT there is a big difference between, generally speaking, between a classically trained musician and an improviser that learned "by ear". I don't completely disagree with what Stuart Copeland's saying, but the soul vs school is really unnerving to me. I always say: if you were interesting getting into school, you'll be interesting coming out. If you're boring and/or more someone who executes rather than creates, then that's what you'll be out of school. Music school doesn't format people the way people like to say it does.

    • @genustinca5565
      @genustinca5565 Pƙed 5 lety

      Like Ritchie Blackmore said: 'There's guys that play with their head, and guys that play with their heart.' I feel a trend now - exacerbated by social media - is for young musicians to play with their head a lot and try to make music very complex and virtuosic, just to show how 'good' they are.

  • @dwaynewladyka577
    @dwaynewladyka577 Pƙed 5 lety

    I am a fan of different types of music, including classical music. Classical music is on a whole different level. Stewart Copeland is a great musician.

  • @nycvideoauditions
    @nycvideoauditions Pƙed 5 lety +62

    Vinnie, of course, is BOTH.

    • @TIMOWHITEBUFFALO
      @TIMOWHITEBUFFALO Pƙed 5 lety +2

      Well said my brother...Caliuta is a master...much like Pat Metheny who is a great technician but also an incredible composer...

    • @simes205
      @simes205 Pƙed 5 lety +1

      and S Gadd. We come in a read, play get paid and leave. It's easier!

    • @craigbarnes7227
      @craigbarnes7227 Pƙed 5 lety +2

      Yup,Cobham too.

  • @jamesgretsch4894
    @jamesgretsch4894 Pƙed 4 lety +1

    I love hearing Stew talk music.

  • @chriscarrington4294
    @chriscarrington4294 Pƙed 3 lety

    i’ve seen and heard many, many musicians who both read AND rock. don’t forget that the great classical composers (that stewart mentions by name) were phenomenal improvisers as well, and that they were trained by ear, just as much as they were trained to read.

    • @bassmaiasa1312
      @bassmaiasa1312 Pƙed 3 lety

      And funky! Chopin has the funk. Beethoven has DA FUNK!

  • @patrickyarusso4717
    @patrickyarusso4717 Pƙed 5 lety

    Spot on...the ear all the way.

  • @joshuadunn2312
    @joshuadunn2312 Pƙed 5 lety +1

    The last sentence says it all!

  • @highlanderdetroit5370
    @highlanderdetroit5370 Pƙed 5 lety

    Mr. Copland Your the best!!!

  • @crashmagnetmusic3035
    @crashmagnetmusic3035 Pƙed 5 lety

    I'd rather Rock, thanks for proving to myself I'm on the right path.

  • @Mr.EeToMyself
    @Mr.EeToMyself Pƙed 5 lety

    Artists of the eye and the ear.
    Yes. Children are taught both. Piano at this time.
    They are doing it right.
    We will play the blues next.

  • @dragonfyre1589
    @dragonfyre1589 Pƙed 3 lety

    He obviously has a lot of respect for orchestral musicians, but idt he really understands what they do. They certainly don't improvise like jazz players or jam like rock players, but any good classical musician absolutely has to be "a musician of the ear." When they play, they have to listen to all of the other parts around them for cues on style and tone, as well as to line up tempos for rubato sections. There are nuances that can't be written on sheet music, and good musicians know how to listen to each other to enhance the performance.

  • @generalpatzer6893
    @generalpatzer6893 Pƙed 5 lety +1

    He does have a point. Kids who play in the Highschool band learn to read music note for note. If they go on to study music in university say...Jazz music for example then they must "learn" to improvise and "play by ear". That being said Bach was apparently an amazing improviser and could jam for hours. We only have what was written down.

  • @mariosangermano
    @mariosangermano Pƙed 5 lety

    I agree with him. And I also agree that there are musicians who can do both, like he said. I fall into that category. I can read my ass off and I can improv. But then again I grew up playing pop, rock ,jazz, and classical. Now as far as classically trained musicians go, who didn't play rock, jazz, pop, etc... they have a hard time improvising, if at all. I worked in a band with Juliard trained string players who were fantastic players and of course could sight read very well. But they could NOT improvise to save their life. If they had to improv, It would have to be shown to them or written out.

  • @fenderrlee
    @fenderrlee Pƙed 5 lety

    this amazing...so true... he isn't consistent in striking every fifth or what ever but he is amazing ...drums on Driven to tears ...perfect example
    jamming by ear ...amazing

  • @randydubesky8112
    @randydubesky8112 Pƙed 3 lety

    I was in an orchestra for awhile, (percussion), I lost my place on the sheet music and just had to wing it...They told me how good it sounded. I studied, and practiced and the conductor told me I played it wrong, and I had explain it was correct, which it was. Never went back.

  • @ednoled
    @ednoled Pƙed 3 lety

    This is best explanation, and the first such without being insulting to either type of musician. Good on ya Stew!

  • @wyrlismike
    @wyrlismike Pƙed 3 lety

    I actually really liked the make the drums louder joke, no one else did

  • @mccloysong
    @mccloysong Pƙed 3 lety

    Genius observation. Spot-on true

  • @musiciansformusicians4045
    @musiciansformusicians4045 Pƙed 5 lety +2

    Copeland advocates in all his interviews: #MakingMusicIsAProfession.

  • @jenko701
    @jenko701 Pƙed 3 lety

    Perfect, exactly true.

  • @charlesdrake3125
    @charlesdrake3125 Pƙed 5 lety +1

    Back in the 80s there was this one kid who thought he was a good drummer because he studied and could play (kind of lol) Neil Peart's drum fills.
    I picked out a few albums from my collection and took them to his house and played a few songs to see if he could figure out the drum parts. It was a pretty eclectic mix of genres, but one song in particular I remember playing was U.S. Drag by Missing Persons. He couldn't figure it out. Another one was Sly and the Family Stone's In Time. He couldn't play that either. I rarely see Terry Bozzio or Andy Newmark mentioned on any great drummers lists.đŸ€”

  • @WhoWhoandZulu
    @WhoWhoandZulu Pƙed 5 lety

    This was recommended ... So I listened ... . I enjoyed listening to his thoughts ... Cheers ..Z

  • @snoo333
    @snoo333 Pƙed 3 lety

    wow, what a video. This guy knows how to talk music. thank you

  • @johnvandenheuvel6952
    @johnvandenheuvel6952 Pƙed 5 lety +7

    I have developed a system (discipline) of teaching that allows a guitar student to learn to sight read in about 4-6 weeks. Trying to write a book.

    • @africanchina1
      @africanchina1 Pƙed 5 lety

      John Vanden Heuvel Im interested in learning your method. Teach me please

    • @aliray1165
      @aliray1165 Pƙed 5 lety

      John Vanden Heuvel you need to look at “simply piano” app for iPad. It’s amazing. I’ve learned so much in such a short space of time. Repetition works. Maybe you could combine your book with something similar to help you gain even greater success with it? In my opinion the vast amount of instructional materials of the past have been hopelessly inadequate so you might be onto something. Good luck!