How to Lay Tile Over Plywood

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  • čas přidán 30. 10. 2016
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    When it comes to setting tile over plywood floors, there's no one who knows how better than master tile setter, Armen Tavey. In fact, he's invented a patented method and material that virtually guarantees professional quality results. However, as Armen points out, it's what's under the tile that makes all the difference between a tile job destined for failure and one that's guaranteed to hold up for the life of your home. That's especially true when the tile is being laid over a plywood subfloor.
    Before laying tile over any plywood subfloor, it's important to make sure that the floor itself is free from excessive deflection or bending, which can pop grout joints and loosen or crack tiles. A glass of water can detect deflection that's otherwise hard to see with your eye. A single sheet of three quarter inch plywood is normally not adequate as a substrate for tile. The tile industry recommends a subfloor that's at least an inch and a quarter thick. In this case we're going to add a second sheet of three quarter inch exterior grade plywood. The plywood seams where the sheets meet should be offset from each other. This provides added strength and minimizes flexing at the joints.
    Another way to reduce deflection is with proper nailing. Use a chalk line to mark out a grid. Underlayment should be nailed or screwed every eight inches in the field and every six inches around the perimeter. The nails themselves should be long enough to pass through both layers of underlayment. Be sure to drive all nail heads, flush with or below the surface with an extra hammer blow and leave one sixteenth inch gap between sheets to allow for expansion. Now this may look like overkill, but a properly installed subfloor is an important key to a trouble free tiling job. Laying out a tile job can mean literally that, actually laying out the tile across the room in both directions, using spaces for the grout joints. What you want to avoid are narrow slivers of tile around the edge of the room or tiles of differing widths on one side of the room versus the other. Slide tiles back and forth until you end up with edge tiles that are an attractive size and equal in width. The tiles that go around the perimeter of the room can be cut to width using a manual scoring type tile cutter. A carbide wheel scores the surface, then a bar exerts pressure on both sides of the cut, cleanly snapping the tile along the line.
    With the layout complete, it's now time to begin preparing the surface for tiling, using Armen Tavey's thin skin system. First, he applies a code of adhesive to the subfloor, using a straight trowel. Then he lays fiberglass reinforced paper mats, he calls them thin skin, on top of the adhesive. Finally, he presses the paper into contact using a wide putty or joint knife. Next, he mixes, then applies a thin skin coat of mortar that conditions the paper. Once again, he uses a straight edge trowel to spread the material. The mortar, in effect, acts as a sort of primer on the paper, creating a cement surface to which the tile will bond perfectly. Using a knots trowel Armen now applies a coat of thin set tile mortar. Notice how he holds the trial at a 45 to 60 degree angle, allowing the notches on the trowel edge to create uniform rows or ridges. This ensures that the mortar is laid down evenly and at the proper thickness so that the entire back of the tile will be in contact with the material. Now it's time to set some tile!
    Watch the technique. I set the tile, drop it down, I'm going to push it forward about a quarter of an inch to three eighths of an inch. What does this do? It takes the high ridges and drops them down into the low ridges or no ridges, pull it back. What I've done is I've transferred mortar to the back of the tile, more than likely one hundred percent.
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Komentáře • 423

  • @basix8394
    @basix8394 Před 5 lety +10

    Thanks for the nice instructional video. Cant wait to tear up there tiles and lay new ones!

  • @Life_is_Awesome_Civil
    @Life_is_Awesome_Civil Před 5 lety +3

    Thanks for the idea
    From little india

  • @jakedunn8007
    @jakedunn8007 Před 5 lety +29

    LOL, the tile experts who have probably never laid a single tile are out in full force.

  • @anthonyramsundar1678
    @anthonyramsundar1678 Před 7 lety +5

    Very simple😃

  • @frankwu5766
    @frankwu5766 Před 2 lety +3

    I like this video, which might solve our problem how to install the tile on the plywood subfloor. We've been using hardyboard subfloor for years. This is great. Ron, can you tell me what adhesive, conditioner, reinforcement paper, thinset system, etc mentioned in this video. I didn't catch these information. I want to try your solutions. Thank you.

  • @Bigbacon
    @Bigbacon Před rokem +5

    assuming the subfloor is thick enough you could just use a primer on the subfloor first and then use a polymer modified thinset and do it. Least that is what Mapei told me. Primer T on the wood, uncoupling membrane thinset with the liquid polymer instead of water.

  • @AR-lm2rk
    @AR-lm2rk Před 5 lety +1

    What mortar and thinset are the best application for a lifelong solution for wood substrate?

  • @scottbrenham1341
    @scottbrenham1341 Před 7 lety

    Nice work especially when you need to know. Some people cut corners to save time and money. Or they simply don't know.👍

  • @mahmoudsalaheldinnada1123

    A very good and brilliant technique of installing the tile by moving it in all direction, I respect you for that

  • @steves4945
    @steves4945 Před 3 lety +19

    1 1/4 sub-floor!!!! wtf....gonna have to raise the ceiling

  • @satishkmys2
    @satishkmys2 Před 4 lety +2

    Can this tiling work can be done on Wooden Plywood which is Vertical and standing Independently? Will the Plywood Hold the Stone Interlocking Tiles .

  • @philliphanford2792
    @philliphanford2792 Před 4 lety +10

    If you want to match floor height with adjacent floors go underneath and add more beam support under the floor joists. otherwise you have to use a wedge threshold transition to the adjacent floor.

    • @wayneburton6191
      @wayneburton6191 Před 4 lety +1

      Use hardy back and don't do all the drama

    • @philliphanford2792
      @philliphanford2792 Před 4 lety

      @@wayneburton6191 I think this is about vertical flex issues not horizontal expansion.

  • @Rhododendrondimmek
    @Rhododendrondimmek Před 7 lety +1

    Awesome... Thanks for sharing...

  • @danielhigginbottom2615

    This is actually a really good vid

  • @janetcousins8287
    @janetcousins8287 Před 7 lety +4

    Ron Hazelton. Hi very informative demonstration, thanks for sharing. Can this flooring, with furnishing such as beds, sofas, closets etc also serve and "hold up" as a ceiling for a lower floor or will the pressure be too great and cause the floor/ceiling to crack?

  • @nagsterthegangster3548
    @nagsterthegangster3548 Před 4 lety +9

    I feel like I'm watching Tool Time or Bob Vila lol. Awesome video!

  • @superseven220
    @superseven220 Před 5 lety +30

    Although this was published in 2016 I'm sure this is an old school video from at least 20 years ago, nobody would do it this way now with all of the modern materials available

    • @Stargate-over-starwars
      @Stargate-over-starwars Před 3 lety

      Would this method still work? Like as good as newer ones?

    • @Heb101922
      @Heb101922 Před 3 lety +3

      @@Stargate-over-starwars No, never install tile directly over a wood subfloor. Either cement board or an uncoupling membrane needs to be installed for a durable bond.

    • @juanmedina9690
      @juanmedina9690 Před 2 lety

      @@Heb101922 Of course you are fine about that this is the best way for to do this job.

  • @flyurway
    @flyurway Před 7 lety +24

    Very nicely done video!! After all this I think I'll go with vinyl now, lol!

  • @shed.projects5150
    @shed.projects5150 Před 3 lety +5

    Less than half inch thick plus the small matter of one and a half inch thick board. Vinyl flooring suddenly seems so much more attractive.

    • @alexsystems2001
      @alexsystems2001 Před 2 lety +3

      Lol I agree my upstairs at home has 3/4” subfloors, if I had to add another 3/4” plus the 1/2” for the tile stuff, no thank you, I’ll stick with carpet and vinyl flooring.

    • @serkaherfain4727
      @serkaherfain4727 Před 2 lety

      You lot can bugger off!

    • @alexsystems2001
      @alexsystems2001 Před 2 lety

      @@serkaherfain4727 LOL thanks!

  • @dawnmoore6515
    @dawnmoore6515 Před rokem

    Thank you this helps.could you give me the name of the topping and what did you put in the tile , the markers I think??

  • @mysticblue3387
    @mysticblue3387 Před 2 lety

    Is this still the right way to do tile on the plywood nowadays in the year of 2021? It’s because I’m about to do my mom’s tile and it’s my first time doing tile and with the existing materials that we have nowadays is it still possible to do it this way

  • @timdaniels2094
    @timdaniels2094 Před rokem +1

    Thanks!

  • @kimberleerivera7062
    @kimberleerivera7062 Před 7 lety +1

    Fantastic - thank you so very much!!

  • @patbueltel9628
    @patbueltel9628 Před 3 lety

    Where can I find the product showed in this video? We're laying tile over plywood, but anything else from the sound of it.

  • @joesadajr5272
    @joesadajr5272 Před 7 lety +7

    I like how he use his "Tile puck" I use my float/and level to slide back and forth, same results...

  • @isvchvch6778
    @isvchvch6778 Před rokem

    Thanks

  • @reaamarillo4898
    @reaamarillo4898 Před 2 lety

    Sir what kind of paper u used for tile setting and why.tnx for the answer

  • @troymobiletiling9044
    @troymobiletiling9044 Před 3 lety

    Nice job

  • @philipson.7373
    @philipson.7373 Před rokem

    Hi, which glue you are using above the board?

  • @h.taplin5182
    @h.taplin5182 Před 2 lety

    Hey, where do I get the thin skin sheet??

  • @mohdrizal7946
    @mohdrizal7946 Před 3 lety

    Very nice👍😄

  • @IMRANKHAN-my3oq
    @IMRANKHAN-my3oq Před 5 lety

    its very easy on the table

  • @rocketrider1405
    @rocketrider1405 Před rokem +1

    When you raise the level of the floor with more plywood you might want to ensure that you can still put your appliances back in place without running into uneven countertop surfaces.

  • @stephenmcallister2169
    @stephenmcallister2169 Před 7 lety +3

    can you send this guy over to my place! he can do all three of my bathrooms :D

    • @ancientpersianempire
      @ancientpersianempire Před 3 lety

      make sure your girl is not in the dwelling at time of install. he will be sure to make a patent

  • @certifiedyouss
    @certifiedyouss Před 3 lety

    Can you directly apply mud to the plywood ?

  • @RealEstateInsider247
    @RealEstateInsider247 Před 4 lety +7

    Sometimes the framing isn't perfectly level so leveling could potentially be an issue.

    • @EXCELSIOR_INC
      @EXCELSIOR_INC Před rokem +3

      @RealEstateInsider247 You level them with the thin-set

  • @williamgreen8712
    @williamgreen8712 Před rokem

    is marine ply the best alternative?

  • @MegaIlikeapples
    @MegaIlikeapples Před 6 lety

    where was this video made??? def isn't florida

  • @toniguerrero8829
    @toniguerrero8829 Před 4 lety

    I work on hardwood floor but I suscribe to your channel

  • @familycalendar4149
    @familycalendar4149 Před 3 lety

    Is the "thin skin?" just paper? Does it have brand name? can you get it at Home Depot?

  • @davescopes249
    @davescopes249 Před 5 lety +3

    In my opinion and I was a tiler for over 26 years always use screws NOT NAILS. If you notice on the video at about 1:47 as he hits the last nail the one next to it pops up. But that's just my opinion.

  • @jaredchaney5265
    @jaredchaney5265 Před 7 lety +32

    7:22 this man bout to do a magic trick

    • @rocketboy1674
      @rocketboy1674 Před 3 lety +1

      Nah its the Shamwow guy at age 70

    • @ancientpersianempire
      @ancientpersianempire Před 3 lety

      he used to be a pimp in broolyn, then opened a pizza shop. too many "ex clients" noticed him so he closed that down and got into the tile biz and instant success! he now has several patents but ex clients tracked him down and accused him or putting benadryl in their drinks when they were young...

  • @JasonCGreene
    @JasonCGreene Před 3 lety +1

    This good for bathrooms too?

  • @pauliasiwolfgramm8334
    @pauliasiwolfgramm8334 Před 6 lety +3

    How to lay tile on top of stamp concrete

  • @_ZimZam
    @_ZimZam Před 11 měsíci

    Nice

  • @dogsent
    @dogsent Před 7 lety +38

    interesting methods there wario.

    • @brandonparker1371
      @brandonparker1371 Před 7 lety +3

      Tile Fixer I really just bol 😂😂😂

    • @scottt89
      @scottt89 Před 6 lety +3

      lulz! I was hoping he'd check for leveling with a go kart. or, wipe down with a banana peel

    • @michaelwells48
      @michaelwells48 Před 5 lety

      @@scottt89 XD

  • @mannyvega6699
    @mannyvega6699 Před 2 lety +10

    This is an old school method that is still up to code in some situations but as tike installer with 22 years experience, I have never laid a tile floor over plywood. I have run into installs over plywood and each one was being tore out because of cracking everytime

    • @thatonegamer2709
      @thatonegamer2709 Před 2 lety +1

      @Carolyn durarock or hardybacker to lay over the plywood....would depend on your budget.

    • @Bigbacon
      @Bigbacon Před rokem +7

      but what did they do before all these products existed? I mean I see old houses with old tile work and it still is perfect.

    • @snakeking-zo6mu
      @snakeking-zo6mu Před rokem +1

      @@Bigbacon From what I've seen, they usually would just use a lot of mortar and/or concrete under the tiles in old houses.

    • @dynoesaur
      @dynoesaur Před rokem +1

      My house was built in 1950 original wood flooring. I don't know if I should just tile over it or keep and seal and what else . I'm 🤦🏽‍♂️???

    • @GingerLess000
      @GingerLess000 Před 11 měsíci +1

      ​@@dynoesauranything timber is a nono with tiles. Just don't do it, timber expands and contracts, it absorbs moisture, it rots, it is a soft material that absorbs impact and pushes back, cracking the tiles and grout joints.

  • @ItsMe-N01
    @ItsMe-N01 Před 6 lety +3

    @ 5:30 wario gets on stage and warms up for a game of dance dance revolution Mario mix.

  • @gaberondon8757
    @gaberondon8757 Před 6 lety +6

    I’ll never get these 8 minutes back

  • @Turbo44mag
    @Turbo44mag Před 5 lety +29

    Never use ROOFING Nails for sub Flooring, use Ring shank or Screws (drywall screws will not back out or squeak over time) this video is a terrible excuse of installation.

    • @markme4
      @markme4 Před 4 lety +8

      drywall screws will rust , use something that is treated to resist moisture

    • @ssss-df5qz
      @ssss-df5qz Před 3 lety

      @@markme4 rust? Only if your tiler is a useless oaf.
      And who cares if they rust? They aren't going anywhere for the duration the floor will be there.

    • @markme4
      @markme4 Před 3 lety +1

      @@ssss-df5qz What does the installer have to do with nails rusting ?

    • @markme4
      @markme4 Před 3 lety

      @@walterdiaz2003 That will work , they do also make screws specifically designed for backerboard.

  • @professorkaos2781
    @professorkaos2781 Před 5 lety +9

    "The dance of the tile fairies"....hehehe

  • @wildondeleon5256
    @wildondeleon5256 Před 4 lety +1

    What's the specific name of white paper? And the color blue you apply first in the plywood?

    • @tonycarmichael6705
      @tonycarmichael6705 Před 3 lety

      You can find all products at tools4flooring. I think it's a great idea compared to the Schluter system which is pretty pricy.

  • @patterdalezipsuzilil
    @patterdalezipsuzilil Před 7 lety +10

    them nails could have been with being a bit longer to go into beam

  • @draytondrake8006
    @draytondrake8006 Před 5 lety

    Whats the first 3 letters n contractor?

  • @omegaforeverpahrump4436
    @omegaforeverpahrump4436 Před 4 lety +1

    I’m what about the nails wouldn’t it come up , wouldn’t screws work better. The house we bought used nails they are coming up slowly but eventually.

    • @playhouse888
      @playhouse888 Před 3 lety

      Yes. 2 1/2” screws and glue between plywood layers is the way to go.

  • @averdadequeliberta9091
    @averdadequeliberta9091 Před 2 lety +1

    Fantástico 🇧🇷

  • @hoquan1626
    @hoquan1626 Před 5 lety

    would you please let me know what kind of material I need to place tile on plywood?, thanks

    • @bumstudios8817
      @bumstudios8817 Před 5 lety +1

      Dont.. use cement board durarock under the tile over the wood.. unless you want it to crack and come up

    • @manny6584
      @manny6584 Před 4 lety

      I used cement board under my tile 14 years ago and its holding up just fine

    • @michaelsalcido3736
      @michaelsalcido3736 Před 4 lety

      Chris Sproles - Ok, so what would you use? Please identify the layers. I’m caught between a tile outdoor deck or treated pine. They have no hardwoods where I live.

  • @donshoemaker9029
    @donshoemaker9029 Před 3 lety

    If this dudes a master then I am a god legend.

  • @JayKay9112000
    @JayKay9112000 Před 6 lety +4

    Why would you put a second layer of plywood down instead of using tile backer?

    • @fast68chevy
      @fast68chevy Před 4 lety +1

      because the durock is not rigid enough. the 3/4 plywood alone was by far not rigid enough alone by itself

  • @sigguy1361
    @sigguy1361 Před 7 lety +10

    Ron Hazelton - So here's a question for you: I have a friend who asked about laying tile in her upstairs guest bath, replacing the linoleum. The carpet has a standard metal transition piece to the linoleum. If I do what this video recommends, by adding a 3/8" ply piece to the floor, plus the 3/8" mortar bed, plus the tile, it will put it well above the level of the carpet coming into the bathroom, thus creating a tripping hazard, or at the very least, a noticeable step up, that I don't believe any transition piece on the market will take care of. Just curious how to go from a floor that's currently level (or pretty darn close) with the carpet to adding 1" of overall material and make it so no one takes a spill going into the bath. Thoughts?

  • @blackrain6ft5
    @blackrain6ft5 Před 7 lety +1

    Why didn't you seal it at the end?

  • @dave4854
    @dave4854 Před 7 lety

    I've always heard and put the liquid in first, then put the thin set set in to mix it.

    • @SuperbowlVikes28
      @SuperbowlVikes28 Před 6 lety

      dave12546 in large quantities yea that's to prevent air pockets and clumps but he used so little it didn't really matter

    • @danbrown1496
      @danbrown1496 Před rokem

      Read and follow manufacturers dierctions.

  • @sarahollensworth4166
    @sarahollensworth4166 Před 4 lety

    You would be a good pastor

  • @charlieconustedes9969
    @charlieconustedes9969 Před 6 lety

    All I do is this floor joice/ 3/4 ply/ 1/2 ply/cement board/ditra on top for uncoupling skim with self leveling/3/4 deck mud bed /hydro ban over that spread hot Cheeto crumbs ..solid

    • @edmartinez4932
      @edmartinez4932 Před 6 lety

      My first day on the internet
      Gump you're a gifted genius!!
      Hot Cheetos crumbs, outstanding!

  • @davelarkin1604
    @davelarkin1604 Před 4 měsíci

    Would PermaBase to be simpler?

  • @kotiwan
    @kotiwan Před 3 lety

    This is what I have now. The old tiles were installed on two layers of plywood. It is impossible to remove that extra layer of plywood because there are thousands of screws on it. If I add another layer of Schluter system on it, it will be 1 inch higher than my hardwood floor. I am totally screwed...☹☹

  • @berniebass3575
    @berniebass3575 Před 2 lety

    Back in the day we used what's called a story pole, that way you didn't have to fuge tile around all was there on your story pole.

  • @masonjensen6899
    @masonjensen6899 Před 7 lety +1

    What are the standards for laying tile over an OSB subfloor?

    • @walterdiaz2003
      @walterdiaz2003 Před 3 lety

      I was told to not use OSB where they will be water. you know the kitchen ...

    • @richardharris8399
      @richardharris8399 Před 2 lety

      Simple answer...
      "what are the standards for laying tile over an OSB subfloor?" "SUB - standard".
      JUST DON'T DO IT.

    • @masonjensen6899
      @masonjensen6899 Před 2 lety

      I asked this question five years ago when I was inexperienced. Where I am located, most all subfloors are 3/4” OSB T&G and not plywood. I’ve now learned that a backerboard suitable for floor, steel lath, or a schluter ditra can be used.

  • @mikemaben7485
    @mikemaben7485 Před rokem

    Armen frm armainea I thk I wrkd with u

  • @jefferywilliams2151
    @jefferywilliams2151 Před 4 lety

    I use liquid nail....screws and nails for floor...

  • @Nicole86582
    @Nicole86582 Před 6 lety

    hello, what is a color grout?

    • @Tony-og5up
      @Tony-og5up Před 6 lety

      Umm, grout comes in all kinds of color. You can mix match with the tile.

  • @boashna
    @boashna Před 6 lety +4

    forgot to say to used sanded grout in oppose to non sanded

    • @wilrivera8601
      @wilrivera8601 Před 6 lety +1

      boashna it is obvious to a fllo mechanic. So here it is simple.unsanded is used on walls because small grout joints unless it is a marble or stone with small joints...big grout joints need sanded grout..sanded grout bonds better in big joints..unsanded grout makes a mess and it's difficult to set properly on small joints...hope that helps

  • @axmen9
    @axmen9 Před 3 lety +2

    so wait, leave a 16th of an inch for expansion!?!?......but the whole idea of 2 layers of plywood, thin set, fiberglass sheets was supposed to keep flexing below the tile bed to avoid cracking tile or grout or both

  • @toddmitchell3217
    @toddmitchell3217 Před 7 lety

    how do you go under molding

    • @miketaylor7280
      @miketaylor7280 Před 6 lety

      well most people just go up to base board then just add quarderround at the end

  • @bjornjoseph
    @bjornjoseph Před 5 lety +59

    cement boards will make life so much easier.... just saying

    • @ancientpersianempire
      @ancientpersianempire Před 3 lety +5

      hardie backer these days. easier to use and lighter

    • @lookingforonetruechristian7396
      @lookingforonetruechristian7396 Před 3 lety +8

      Why double to cost of your installation with no added benefit?

    • @ssss-df5qz
      @ssss-df5qz Před 3 lety +2

      Who uses hardy boards on the floor lol?! You must have money to burn!
      They're for bad walls and boxing in. Anything else is a waste.

    • @worldview730
      @worldview730 Před 2 lety

      Your so right

    • @worldview730
      @worldview730 Před 2 lety +1

      Why didn’t you just lay half inch wonder board?

  • @oscarinteriano5411
    @oscarinteriano5411 Před 6 lety

    Easy on a table, but en reality is another history

  • @devingoins361
    @devingoins361 Před 7 lety

    hi ron

  • @singh11373
    @singh11373 Před 6 lety +41

    Always use screws.... never nails

    • @rob99rst
      @rob99rst Před 4 lety +4

      this job will fail lol

    • @1GQ_gent
      @1GQ_gent Před 3 lety

      Published possibly in the early 90's

  • @colh5910
    @colh5910 Před 6 lety +7

    I agree its overkill. So many things wrong with this method I dont' know where to start.

  • @skipkot5821
    @skipkot5821 Před 7 lety +7

    I think if you leave that grout on for that long before wiping than you will be fighting to get those tiles clean , am i wrong?

    • @sigguy1361
      @sigguy1361 Před 7 lety +6

      I was thinking the same thing! I've NEVER left grout to dry for an hour before wiping it off. As long as you're gentle, you won't disturb the grout lines; in fact you will smooth them out nicely. I did a tile job on some porcelain "subway" tiles on a wall, and worked an area just a little too big, and even after 10 minutes of sitting I had a heck of a time getting some of the grout off those tiles. I think letting it sit till it dries on there is a mistake - IMHO.

    • @DDIYNETWORK
      @DDIYNETWORK Před 6 lety +3

      the only time i let it sit is if i intend on using 220 grit sand paper to sand off the excess grout on a non polished tile

    • @markme4
      @markme4 Před 6 lety

      Only wait that long after the first rinse .

    • @miketaylor7280
      @miketaylor7280 Před 6 lety +1

      haha yes better not let it dry to much...i learned the hard way!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • @stevegarlock4269
      @stevegarlock4269 Před 5 lety

      Terrible amount of elbow grease to clean that up!

  • @Turbo44mag
    @Turbo44mag Před 5 lety

    Why did you use Roofing nails? You should use Ring shank because roofing nails will back out and squeak.

  • @carltonbygrave1676
    @carltonbygrave1676 Před rokem

    what about if your tileing a wall

  • @sjdjs0405
    @sjdjs0405 Před 2 lety

    Whats the blue liquid ,calls??

  • @SuperBparrish
    @SuperBparrish Před 6 lety +42

    How about never install tile directly over ply. You have too use something between the ply and tile whether it be backer,hardi or ditra. I own a tile company and every job that I have had to redo that was flooring was either laid directly to the plywood or the installer used the wrong thinset. Guaranteed cracked tile in 2 to 4 years if laid directly to ply. There are so many videos like this out there that are wrong. I will be putting videos out soon please check them out and let me know if you have any questions

    • @michaelcamp3336
      @michaelcamp3336 Před 6 lety +1

      Brandon Parrish don't have a lot of money what way would you recommend putting tile on a plywood floor

    • @jasonluera5058
      @jasonluera5058 Před 5 lety +1

      @@michaelcamp3336 save up some more money and do it correctly. If you go straight over plywood youre going to experience problems sooner rather than later. Like this man says....do it right and you wont have any worried down the road and no pricey repair bills

    • @paperwork1125
      @paperwork1125 Před 5 lety +4

      Still waiting for a video to show how to do it right...

    • @ArmycAv2nd
      @ArmycAv2nd Před 5 lety +2

      That's because you get all these so-called experts, tile shop owners, experts this, expert that, yet they never show a better way or provide anything useful.

    • @roberthelmick9574
      @roberthelmick9574 Před 5 lety +5

      22 years in the business, and I can assure you what he said is true. Idk know this man, or the statice on the video he mentioned. But tilling over a plywood subfloor with no backer board between the tile and wood will fail. I will not even accept a job if the customer insist on not using a backer board over the wood, simply because it just doesn't hold up and I will not put my name on it. There are many false statements out there such as, "if there is 2 layers of 3/4 plywood then it ok to tile without a backer board". False! If a video is what you want to explain a step by step process of installation, then just simply enter it into the search bar. I hate to think you've waited this long (which I don't believe you have) for this one guy to produce a video when CZcams literally has 1000s of others. And they will direct you in the right direction and teach you all the proper procedures. But understand this, this man owes you nothing, even if he said he would make a video and didn't do so then it's just bad wording on his part. But for people to come to CZcams and expect installers to just make videos and give up trade information for free is just lazy on your part. Do some work for yourself, Google a few things, watch the videos that have advertisements which pay the installers for their time to teach you. Or even donate to a patron account. But if you haven't spent a dime to learn anything then don't complain. People like me and this guy didn't spend 20 plus years learning a trade so someone can sit back and watch our methods for free. Be willing to invest a little in you project. If all you want is easy solution tips, cheap materials, and quick results then be willing to accept the hack job you end up with.

  • @Cre8tive81
    @Cre8tive81 Před rokem

    Im about to tile myself and the things this vid shows is def not what i've learned so far. 3/4 plywood + Shluter underlayment should suffice.. no?
    Also, don't people "back butter" the tiles so they dont have to shuffle the tiles back/front/left/right when setting?

  • @ragingrevenge1
    @ragingrevenge1 Před 5 lety +4

    If youre going to use nails, you need more than a 1/4” of penetration into the floor joists

    • @judichristopher4604
      @judichristopher4604 Před 4 lety +2

      ... and any nail canl come back up... USE Screws.

    • @1Daveable
      @1Daveable Před 2 lety

      @@judichristopher4604 they make screw nails and flooring nails

  • @pitviper8795
    @pitviper8795 Před rokem

    So you are looking for more strength yet you use nails that will pull out and cause squeaking. Screws are always the better choice over nails in every application they can be used in.

  • @frankv.2681
    @frankv.2681 Před 4 lety

    Sealer??

  • @voice-of-reason5780
    @voice-of-reason5780 Před 2 lety +1

    Basically making cement board 👍( homemade cement board 😋 twice the cost)

  • @angelerikvizcarra4217
    @angelerikvizcarra4217 Před 5 lety

    If you going to install tile over plywood why not using durock or hardie baker board? Less hassle

  • @neilwilliams5814
    @neilwilliams5814 Před 5 lety +1

    Your video is well educated.
    These stupid idiots talking about not putting thin set over plywood.
    They are not paying attention to your procedure. They don't have a darn clue of understanding.
    This is the reason you went through all those steps.
    On the other hand, it "is" a lot simpler to use backer board. You save money and time.
    Still a very nice educational video.

  • @Tinroofdeals
    @Tinroofdeals Před 6 lety

    Oh my.....

  • @ts-eu6mp
    @ts-eu6mp Před rokem

    If you've never heard of Ron Hazelton, you've most likely been stuck under subfloors! LOL. TS

  • @alanramirez7670
    @alanramirez7670 Před 3 lety

    You look like the guy who have the pic in the spacers bag lol

  • @americoestrada2355
    @americoestrada2355 Před 5 lety +6

    No screws no Hardy board just papper?hum yah I would not recommend anyone that is starting out on tile. Not to do it this way. if you do it this way your tile will start cracking after some time.

  • @delz3501
    @delz3501 Před 5 lety +1

    yep,I see all you guys catching the nailing..roofing nails...totally wrong.......and yea, another guy said why use ply over ply.. i like crete board over ply but what I prefer is to thinset the wonder board to the ply- not just screw it- that way, you bond the two surfaces into a monolithic slab..anyway, interesting stuff!

  • @alc8908
    @alc8908 Před 6 lety +34

    nails to secure a subfloor doesn't seem like the best idea. Remember that nails are best in shear, while screws are best in tension. Subfloors are a tension application, and therefore screws are best

    • @kevinm8865
      @kevinm8865 Před 4 lety +4

      I wondered that too as I watched 01:34 ... That nail is barely going into the second board. Recipe for squeaks and jumpy floors later.

    • @davido1588
      @davido1588 Před 3 lety +1

      @@kevinm8865 No it goes all the way through the second board. There are two layers of plywood and then the studs, but the objective is not tension with the studs, because he nails the two layers together even where there is no stud. I think it's about sheer force. Preventing the layers from sheer movement will increase stiffness.

  • @k.lamareyev4418
    @k.lamareyev4418 Před 7 lety +6

    vinyl will make a come back in a couple of years.

    • @kreepiin7352
      @kreepiin7352 Před 7 lety +4

      K. lamar eye v hahahahahahahahahahahahaha yeah it already has. builders get asked to use it instead because its cheap. then they get in, and demo it out and either install there own floors, or pay someone else, that is still half price. vinyl is what it is, cheap, fast, and shit.

    • @george_denbrough
      @george_denbrough Před 6 lety

      It already is

    • @markme4
      @markme4 Před 6 lety +2

      Wood "look" vinyl planks are trending .

    • @atlas4428
      @atlas4428 Před 5 lety

      I hope I miss doing vinyl

  • @luisderivas6005
    @luisderivas6005 Před 4 měsíci

    Instead of the fiber "paper", use the Schluter Ditra underlayment system for uncoupling.

  • @richardharris8399
    @richardharris8399 Před 6 lety +2

    You know, this guy may very well be a master mechanic and a legend in the tile world (although I never heard of him) but if I've learned one thing in 34 years of the tile business it's that I would not lay tile directly to plywood and I certainly wouldn't guarantee it. But it did occur to me that this man didn't lay it directly to the wood either. He put a coat of glue, a layer of some kind of special paper, a skim coat of mud, all of this on a second layer of plywood. Seems like a gimmick to sell special paper and whatever kind of glue that was, if you ask me. I think I'll just stick with durock(NOT HARDI-BOARD).