Ben Pakulski Dorian Yates Blood And Guts Training
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Dorian Yates: 6x Mr Olympia
Ben Pakulski:
Just gonna leave that here
that's gold
Exactly
Just what I was thinking. Essentially a nobody calling out the God.
Ben is giving Dorian props. You misunderstood the video. He is saying mere mortals, can't train like Dorian. They think they are going hard, but they aren't. So you may think your doing Dorian style training, but most aren't going hard enough. It also REQUIRES a partner to help with that last set. Forced reps, into negatives. You can still do it alone, for some exercises, because they can be cheated into a negative. Also drop sets and rest pause. However, it's still not forced reps and you need negatives. You will always fail positive portion far before negative. His other sets were pyramids, so they counted as some volume. He stimulated lactic acidosis and got good contractions in those sets. They weren't wasted, they weren't for nothing.
@@dozermendoza you honestly don't know what your talking about, you've just contradicted yourself about three times, stay away from these debates until you have had some experience in lifting yourself, then you just might have a valid point, im not being nasty it's just that youtube is full of people like you that have never lifted a weight in there life trying to give advice out, it's just not on.
Dorian Yates did do a lot of more sets than just 1 per exercise. He did 3-4 warmup sets in early workout for every exercise (4-5 in total) and as he progressed he dropped the warmup sets so in the last exercise he did 1 or 0 (1-2 in total). He just counted the last set as the only working set.
locorodman he means 1 set to failure man, the other sets are 'warm up' sets building up to his 1 final set to failure. however the warm up sets are not 'warm up' in the traditional sense, it just means that those sets are not taken to failure. hope that helps dude.
Thanks a lot Lj Mat!
So true, a Dorian warm up set is leaving 2 reps in the bank; which is a working set for most. He is right though most people won't go to failure. I've done Dorians workout. You have to to go to failure on last set & even beyond and not go over a 1 min rest between sets. Its killer work out if done correctly. There is a reason it is called blood and guts. I got just as good results as with high volume. I think both philosophies should be intergrated over a year cycle.
So he reign for 6 years on the most quality competittive era of bodybuilding with a method of training that doesn't work on pure genetics and will... nice Ben; thats smart...
In my 25th year of training I reduced my training to just 3 sets per body part every 4 days and gained 8 kgs of muscle while losing 8 kgs of fat in 12 months with ZERO cardio. (Thanks to Phil Hernons advice.) Now I train just 2 sets per body part every 3 days and I'm still gaining! (Thanks to my own modified version of Fortitude Training) However the following also changed: (a) I got very strict on my diet but I've never been over 2,500 calories per day while eating the Zone Diet way and (b) I started Blasting and Cruising PED's instead of going on and off! I'm 48 years old, 5'6" and sitting at 91 kgs @ roughly 13% BF. My personal opinion is that you don't know what will work for you until you've tried it. Every person I've convince to go low volume/high frequency has gained lean mass. Obviously diet and PED's do make a MASSIVE difference.
Thanks a lot for the explanation!
Great observations about Yates.
And you finished up where last Mr.O????
Worth watching 👌
Im not an mesomorph at all, I started out as a very skinny, short dude and Ive tried alot of training styles for a long period of time.. The longest Ive been on a program is MaxOT, that worked well but I got very sore in my joints and ligaments and I eventually had an bicep injury. I let it heal for acouple of months and went back on it.. After acouple of weeks I got intruduced to the Dorian Yates style lifting, and I can say that WOW!! Its works bigtime! And Ive been doing it for over a year now!
Ben was right. People will not have the work ethic and intensity which Dorian had. Most will be in fact wasting their time with this style of training. 1. They won't have the intensity, and 2. Their diet is inconsistent.
People are saying they'd listen to a 6x Mr. Olympia over Ben. That's fine, you can listen as much as you like but you still won't achieve the desired results. Most of you don't have it in you. 🤷🏻♂️
I love HIT, it has gotten me quicker results than all those years I spent doing high volume. Less time in the gym stuffing around and more time away recovering. Be flexible with your routines and keep changing things up to keep the training fresh and stimulating.
Dorian was a beast...immensely strong and impeccable form
amazing info. best body builder in the world
30 second intro so unnecessary
+paramrider 69 Everything about this fucking video is unnecessary.
I think I'll listen to Mr Olympia 6 Time Champion Dorian Yates on this one. No offense.
dunno if dorian was mesomorphic though, his bone structure was huge
i'd say he was a cross between meso and endomorphic
the muscle building abilty of a meso, on the bone structure of an endo,and with the matabolism of an ecto/crazy lean even off season
Plain and simple a lot of people don't want to train hard and heavy with max intensity intensity is what builds muscle Dorian was 100pct right
Actually, What Ben said is the 100% truth. Dorian understood what it took for him to build muscle and that is how he trained. Dorian's training style would not work for the 95% rest of us. I am not a big fan of copying someone else's workout and doing it. Find what works for you...
Lucky for Dorian that he didnt see this when he started training.
It's amazing to me that after all these years people still have misconceptions about high intensity training I recommend Mike mentzers 4 tape audio series as a starting point .
The people who would benefit the most from it are natural
Bodybuilders with limited recovery ability and in proper HIT
Training you do hit a single muscle from two or three different angles and typically you do 2 or 3 warm up sets before going for the last set of the exercise which is the working set.
Where proper reps are preformed until the muscle reaches full concentric momentary failure. You must have extreme
Focus especially during that last working set. In order to take the set far enough to reach true failure with perfect form
Alot lot of guys try it and don't get it right because they are not taking the muscle to failure while maintaining their form.
Mike mentzers said it like this. Do just enough to stimulate
Growth any more than that is counterproductive.
If your body only needs a small amount of sets to stimulate
Growth then why do two or three times that amount?
Is it ego? Is it you want more of a pump ? Do you want to fit in?
So even if those extra sets could stimulate. Say 2,% more growth the result would be nullified by the fact that you have now eaten away that much more of you recovery ability which is strictly limited unless you are anabolicly enhanced.
But if you are natural you should consider limiting your
Volume. And raise your intensity.
Also with hit if you can still feel!like want to do more set
Than you simply are not training with enough intensity.
It's that simple you can either train hard or you can train long
But you can not do both at the same time that's like sprinting full bore like you would in the 109yard dash only your going to try to do it for ten miles?? You see it just doesn't work like than
So the training must be brief and infrequent so that everything can fully recover and grow between workouts. And if you do some objective experimenting on this you will likely find out
That for optimum growth you might only need to train no more than twice a week.
Right on - it's the best way to over tax the CNS and under-train the muscle (probably not what most people are going for). Nice vid Ben!
blood and guts is still the best training video out there apart from the training aspect its still best motivation the weights in combination with the form and intensity are jus bad ass
Yes of course :-D
I worked high volume for years with as much “intensity” as possible and made good gains for about 2 years then started spinning my wheels. After applying HIT training techniques for 8 weeks on then 2 weeks de-load rinse and repeat I started making gains like I was a noob. These techniques are meant for advanced lifters (pre-exhaust, forced reps, rest pause) trying to over come a plateau. After you’ve lifted hard and dedicated for 2 years if you want to keep getting better you either get smart with your training and trick your body OR go on gear and trick your body that way. Gear+advanced dedicated lifter+ HIT = freak
By hitting the muscles from different angles do you mean sight oil injections or exercises? Cause some people need to run on oil when those exercising angles just can't help, right?
+5881el34 Site enhancement is usually used to bring up muscles that are disproportionate, often arms for example. some people have amazing arm shape, others are flat, which looks odd on someone with wicked delts, lats and chest
One set is overtraining and four sets is not, yeah right. If asked most of the guys i know says that high-intensity has worked best for them. But usually when people try hit they use too much weight and don't pay any attention for the negative phase of the rep. Hit works best for mesomorfs but so do everything else because genetics is most important aspect in bodybuilding success at top level.
It’s the mind of it !! If ate sleep then do your work out so next time your mentally prepare yourself when the work out comes again to go a few lbs heavier.Mind over matter.
all of ben and vinces programs are backed up by scientific principles and variables that need to be manipulated to build muscle......KEEP IT UP BPAK!!!
I think each to their own to find their own style of training, this may take years of figuring out what works best for you. If it takes years, it takes years. Everyone is different and not everyone will respond to high volume, whereas some people will respond better to high intesity workouts.
Science can't prove what is best for YOUR body.
Just try different styles and see what YOUR body reacts better to.
I've been training for over 38years and have very much the same mind set as Dorian f course I'm not enhanced so I must train with less frequency as he did not can I use the same weights but believe me the intensity is still off the charts
I will lift a weight with perfect form until the muscle can only contract a third of the way then I'll rest for ten seconds
And the get two more reps. And then follow that with 5or 6
Partial reps.
What does it mean "1 set per excercise" because on all this time I have never found it, I know that Yates was very well known for "doing" this but, I don't know, I saw Blood & Guts and he trains like everyone else, 4 set per excercise and all the things we know, thanks 4 your answer!
I think Ben is on the money even Dorian said most people especially beginners don't have the focus to be able to stimulate enough intensity for maximal growth. Even later in his career he opted for 2 sets and a slightly higher rep range in most exercises. If you truly do have the experience, focus and ability to do what Dorian did I'm sure you're capable of getting optimal results from your training but you are in an elite group!
I think I should point out that Ben is clearly trying to help people, he doesn't have to! nor do you have to go to this channel and listen to what he has to say. If you don't agree with what he says, move the hell on! and quit posting these immature comments getting attitude with him. Listen to the way he speaks, he is very intelligent and clearly has done his research. Thumbs up to Ben for not engaging with these immature little boys. Keep the vids coming Ben.
It means that Dorian did serveral "warm-up" sets with low intensity which he didn´t count to his Training! Than he put everything in just 1 working set per exercise under using intensity techniques like negatives or spotting from his trainingspartner! he tried to get more weight or reps from Training to Training! i hope this helps :-)
Ben is giving Dorian props. Some of you probably misunderstood the video. He is saying mere mortals, can't train like Dorian. They think they are going hard, but they aren't. So you may think your doing Dorian style training, but most aren't going hard enough. It also REQUIRES a partner to help with that last set. Forced reps, into negatives. You can still do it alone, for some exercises, because they can be cheated into a negative. Also drop sets and rest pause. However, it's still not forced reps and you need negatives. You will always fail positive portion far before negative. His other sets were pyramids, so they counted as some volume. He stimulated lactic acidosis and got good contractions in those sets. They weren't wasted, they weren't for nothing.
marcus ruhl does 12 sets 1st exercise
mike mentzer could have looked better yet he scored a perfect 300 at the universe? in Mike M's underground seminar he lists research to support HIT and heavy duty training, of course it works but for some better than others.
Suddenly they are like they were in the beginning. They are responding like mad to twenty sets for each bodypart, 6-7 days a week. After a while, having gotten bigger and stronger, they hit the OT threshold. Rather than stick with the same dosage and reduce sets, frequency etc they increase their dosages. Suddenly they are like a beginner again, and so the cycle repeats itself (literally, ha ha). Before long, their body starts to come apart with injiuries, but not beofre everyone looks at them and says twenty sets works!!!!
Cases in point, Jay Cutler and Branch Warren. TBC
Dorian Yates is Dorian Yates. Find your own style of training. It takes a long time, but you will find what your body best responds to.
Very true...if you think your ready for blood and guts training...that's your first mistake...at least go 2 sets per exercise...a lot of respect to Dorian 6x Yates
I think it's a bit of a misnomer to say that Dorian trained 'low volume'. If you treat volume as a function of time under tension - or even better, as time under near-maximal tension - Dorian trained with a fairly moderate volume. An old back workout in FLEX had his total exercises at (if I recall correctly) eight. Each was written as "one set", but of course there were multiple progressive 'warm-ups' preceding the maximal set - and lots of forced reps, negatives, and drop sets. So... the whole 'one working set' thing is not entirely accurate.
Dorian undoubtedly trained like a beast, but I don't really buy the way his intensity has become sort of mythical. Plenty of guys train just as hard as him; but he knew exactly what worked for his body, and how to balance his training, nutrition, PEDs (let's not kid ourselves) and recovery pretty much to the letter. That, and yeah... genetics.
Interesting observation, however DY claimed he did not have great genetics unlike Flex Wheeler but out-trained and dieted his competition with him strongist muscle....his mind
Well I can tell you I am not a big muscle machine but I can tell you that since I started mike mentzer training I have progressed from work out to work out. No more sore knees building muscle absolutely life changing.you have to compensate and over compensate before you workout again....fact.now let's talk about you and your mi40 nation workouts.
One of Ur programs has a person squatting 3 times a week...I mean what's that all about.... anyway I tried your workouts for over a year before I found mike mentzer...knees were always sore muscles would definitely get pumped but that's not the goal ....it's to grow muscle...Ur workouts are to long winded(over 1h,30m a day uoto 6 times a week...I never grew stronger etc(because they are designed for enhanced bodybuilders) all you are trying to do is flick the growth switch thats it...natural bodybuilders wouldn't be able to recover quickly enough. If I had carried on with your silly workouts I would have ended up crippled with knee problems...as mike says you either workout with intensity or you work out for duration...no matter what type of body you have. Intensity builds muscle...long sessions builds tiredness. So before you start slating mike mentzer look at your own workouts and think properly
i believe science friend. Just because Dorian Yates says we live in a heliocentric universe doesn't mean we do.
You Tube: Dorian Yates Heart of Texas
311lbs of Beast Muscle.
Your just full of excuses man. HIT is the best of all man
Agreed bro. Hit is not for the weak minded. Any reps before concentric failure are just warmup reps.
Dorian hit is so awesome at building mass n strength. I will never train any other way.
wyatt, AGREED.
$20 says none of you HIIT fanatics train to absolute failure on the final set of every exercise, week after week, year after year. That's what Ben is talking about.
Pros is Dorian Yates won Mr Olympia. Cons is the amount of synthol you use...
Noone listen to Dorian Yates 6x Mr Olympia. Everyone listen to B-Pak 0x Mr Olympia.... ... ...
Ben bashing intensity style training? what Ben has said is that it obviously worked for Dorian but it would likely not work for most people, including himself. Not exactly bashing it in my book. For the ppl here bashing Ben, do you think there is or should be only one way to train? Those that follow Ben (and Vinny D) know that they don't in believe in just one way and they incorporate many different elements including intensity into there training programs. PPL, take a look at bens credentials
most of his videos he's doing 4 sets and working up in weight.
The idea that mentzer could have been better with more volume??? Ben, when you pack in bodybuilding, you have a career as a comedian. Mike himself even said that he felt he was overtraining by doing around 6 sets for some bodyparts. I knew it. Two cycles of the leg extension leg press combo???!!! As Scot wilson put it, you only do a second set if your first one wasnt quite up to it, but then you have to consider your recovery from the workout. Well said scott. Sooo many people try HIT and do forced reps, negatives on every set of every workout, probably six days a week. Damm those steroids. Six day a week training would not have ruined this sport if it wasnt for steroids 'allowing it'. TBC
it was 3 sets maximum not one set
true, true HIT is not for everyone.. but theres the few of us that have the mental drive and physical ability to do it. so very respectfully, i agree to disagree
Why not try both styles of training and see what happens. These fitness heads are always telling us to mix it up in our training so our bodies don't adapt to it. And Dorian seems to be a nice man who would help anyone train if they wanted to learn,yeah he has genetics but it was his work ethic that people couldn't keep up with.
benjemin is right...
What is hard training, apart from the most abused phrase in the sport? Going to failure, maybe even a bit beyond, in strict form. Why have momentum taking the stress off the muscle? Who the hell would want that?? It makes no sense whatsoever. The next most abused phrase is strict form. Two seconds up and at least two down. That speed removes momentum. Momentum is an outside force that is magnified many times in the joints, said mike mentzer. Verey, very true. Think long term.
Dorian reduced his sets from two of anexercise to one. TBC
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P.S Ben has never won first place in any major contest!
Are you THE JOHN DEFENDIS"? - well said John...I am sick of these guys out there bashing HIT without even trying it - it's those same guys that can do whatever the fuck they want based on the fact that they are geared up to the gills. I am not against steroids, but I am against those that bash our training style while doing some high volume bullcrap that would kill a horse. If your on gear you can get away with murder..case closed.
Branch won the teen nationals in 93 aged 19 i think. I bet he was using gear at least three years before. Jay wasa second at aged 18. Again, he must have been on them since around 15.
Listen guys, we are all, even Ben , jay etc on the journey of trying to stimulate gains and avoid overtraining. Some have less to immediatley worry abpout than others but we are all on that journey. Dont cop out and reach for the neadle. Do your research on high intensity training techniques but pay total attention to recovery. No recovery=no growth!!
Rant well and truly over...............for now.
If he had a "scientific brain" then Ben would be full body routines multiple times a week. as all the studies show that that's best.
+Dan127 not for building muscle, most people aren't recovering fully between training sessions. Doing a full body routine, and hitting the muscles with enough stimulation multiple times per week would be pushing it to around 5 hour workouts.
+paramrider 69 for building muscle. Hitting a muscle multiple times a week is far superior. There's been a bunch of study's proving it. There's not even an argument to be had anymore. That's what meant in my previous post. The science clearly states that high frequency training is superior that training a muscle once a week, regardless of how hard you train it. That's why Ben isn't using his scientific brain.
+Cody Wirth Lmao.
+Dave Denbow no the scientific evidence, shows full body's are superior. It's just a fact.
+Dan127 I agree. I never gained on a split routine done 3-4 days per week. I started training full body for several months and blew up like crazy. I hate splits and will never go back.
Dorian Yates did NOT train with low volume...
I don't agree with this.....I have about over 30 athletes that all train low volume but are making gains and shredded...if mike mentzer and even all the bodybuilders from the past ran the same stuff bodybuilders of today did they would all look better...
Harden up Ben.
of course he was *facepalm*
I personally find you hating on some of the biggest bodybuilders out there actually disrespectful and stupid. What these guys did clearly worked for them. Who are you to say you have the best training in the world and you could have made them better? If so why arnt you the best in the world or training the best in the world? In addition, you all are on steroids so complaining how about his genetics is pathetic.
Are you sitting comfortably? There are some guys who are extremely genetically gifted for this sport. They have bigger muscles than us with no frikkin training, so why do they need to do soooo much to get any kind of growth??? Sorry, i'm getting carried away!!
These guys can have their bowels opened and get quad stimulation from getting off the toilet!! Pretty soon that is not enough so they go to the gym and do leg extensions, later they add in squats etc and still make good gains. Then it stops. They have reached the overtraining threshold. So using one brain cell (the other one is resting at this point) they decide that instead training harder and doing less, to bring them under the overtraining threshold, they will go on an eight week course of steroids. TBC
OMFG. Where do you start addressing the unadulterated BS in this clip. Watch Blood and Guts. Markus Reinhardt actually trains harder than Dorian on the latest mentzer dvd. Watch the pek dek incline press combo. Branch warren would lose control of his bowels, perhaps permanently if he thought he had to train that hard. As Dorian so expertly put it, their are women at my gym who train harder than the pros. Volume v intensity. Intensity builds muscle. The greater the intensity, the greater the growth stimulation. Volume reduces intensity. None of the pros is known for hard training, NOT ONE!!!! Was Shawn, Flex, Dexter, Jay etc???? No, but their dosages have certainly seen some increased intensity. TBC
who are you? and who cares what you think about dorian??
You don't have the slightest idea about HIT or HD. Your attempt to critique some of the best physiques and minds in bodybuilding are at the least pathetic. Before you do speak about exercise science and HIT please do your research.
This guy knows nothing. He should listen to Dorian.
The bigger we get, the harder it is to make those gains. We have to look for harder ways to train and that goes further into our recovery ability. So sessions have to be shorter and less frequent. Sorry Ben, but people talk about your scientific knowledge but your common sense is laughable. Do you still believe the earth is flat. Sadly steroids, and you certainly have gone down that route, and i bet long before you found it difficult to make gains, have taken all common sense out of the sport. There is drug free training and not. Sadly each one knows little if anything about the other. I'll stick with the one that focusses on common sense. Ben, you make your own choices, and take the consequences.