The Mỹ Lai Massacre | Animated Short
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Some of us weren’t taught about My Lai in school but we all know it.
Did your history classes ever reach Vietnam? I went to school in northern VA, and we spent so much time covering the civil war, reconstruction, and the interwar years we were lucky to get to the fall of France by the end of the year, let alone Vietnam
@@rundownthriftstoreweird I'm pretty sure it's not state bu state but district bu district because my school taught a lot about the Vietnam war when in the south they sorta skimmed over over the civil war
@@arithgutierrez what state if you don’t mind me asking?
@@rundownthriftstore I've lived in Texas, Georgia, and Kentucky through elementary and middle school. Highschool was New York. Needless to say a wide variety of agendas is spread based on states. An example being that Texas never really mentioned that they rebelled not only because of tyranny but because of the abolition of slavery and once again taxes. Georgia and Kenticky mainly just proclaimed the civil war was predominantly for states rights which is half true it was also the right to own slaves to due to how heavily they relied on slave labor for their economy. New york just attempted to show an overall grey with a mix of happiness in american history. Honestly it's just an overall american exceptionalism with varying taste based on the state and their agendas.
@@arithgutierrezahh as a person in school in Northern Virginia the quality of schools is very good here because of high tax rates so compared to places in the south and mid west we have lots of programs and a very well made curriculum
It’s crazy to think that this is just one of the documented war crimes. All sides no matter the conflict commits them, and only so many are learned about.
My Lai was a terrible aberration from American troops but it's just another day for the Vietcong and the NVA as they showed everyone in Dak Son and Hue.
there were other massacres other than My Lai and those are just the documented ones, the lengths to which the US went to cover them up implies a lot more undocumented. there's a reason the Viet Cong had popular support despite how much more brutal they (supposedly) were
These are the reasons why you can never say either side is good or bad because there is no such thing
@@hydradominatusno way you just said that Vietcong was not brutal
@@MrPeteeerread again he said despite how much more brutal the Viet con was
There was a helicopter crew who saw the chaos and went to investigate. The pilot ordered his crew to open fire if the soldiers didn’t stop shooting civilians. He managed to evacuate some wounded civilians but after the incident he told people what he saw but the incident was covered up and higher up officers and generals said he was lying and he was punished I think.
May he rest in peace
You are talking about Hugh Thompson Jr and Lawrence Colburn.
Somalian or Somali ?
@@kalenooc4938somali just like yemeni or Afghani and not afghanian or yemenian
The worst part was this was far from an isolated incident, it was once said “in the Mekong delta there is a Mai Lai every day”
That pilot was a traitor too his comrades
As an American, true patriotism should be seen as recognizing your country’s mistakes and working to prevent them and correct them however you can, not hiding them. Patriotism should be the desire to better your country because you love it so much.
This is facts I may not be an American but I get you're point the problem is that school and education is boosted by the us government that just says to them the USA is the greatest thing in the world we may made mistakes but nothing much dw we are the best we have the best jets we are good and all country's we fought we're bad and deserved everything we done to them which is sad because lot of people know about war crimes not now listen I did not say that for example Afghanistan didn't deserve an invasion or imperial Japan didn't deserve to be fought but the problem is that education is telling only the bright side of it 9/11 and 7/12/41 which is very bad but yes a country like the USA should be the country bringing ''freedom'' yet they do the opposite and hide mistakes they're not the only ones tho
@@Mohammad-kw6wl I think we could learn a lot from Germany’s education system, who teaches about what they did in WW2 very extensively so that it will never happen again. And Germans still love their country because they know they are no longer Nazis. Americans like myself would feel more pride for our country if it taught about our crimes and gave some more detail to the other sides’ views
@@Mohammad-kw6wl Our education system doesn’t teach us much to be honest. It doesn’t teach us that we were good or bad in great depth, it’s a lot of topics dealt with poorly. It says a few bullet points of good stuff and a few of bad stuff and moves on pretty quick.
@@dueinuremom5082 same here except that France likes to glorify the USA and even don't mind humiliating our own country but yeah and when some people want to teach us the real story he's a bad guy a liar and more that is sad
@@Mohammad-kw6wlnot even gonna mention how we managed to start the cold with a country that was already in peace talks with FDR💀💀💀
The My Lai Massacre wasn't some impromptu thing. Before they even arrived in the village they were ordered to burn houses, kill livestock, destroy food, and poison wells. The day before the attack one of their captains told them to kill everyone.
They weren't "out of control." The Americans lined up women and children along drainage ditches, shot them, and left the bodies where they fell. They took a quiet lunch break before rounding up survivors to kill them.
After the massacre officers falsified action reports to cover up the extend of what they did. A helicopter crew that tried to intervene were awarded medals in an attempt to keep them quiet with falsified citations that they "rescued a child under heavy enemy fire."
There was no enemy fire. There were no "enemies" in My Lai. There were a few hundred elderly farmers, women, and children. It was a calculated war crime and only one perpetrator was ever convicted and spent just over 3 years in prison.
its insane how full this video is of excuses and apologism
Thanks for clarifying. Making it seem unintentional and or unexpected is really changing the facts. The entire Hamlet was considered a hot zone, kill on sight, and they planned to hit the next Hamlet exactly the same way. They had been ordered to slaughter.
"Whoops, I did a warcrime"
@@jogurt5577what’s insane is that you believe a clear commie bot account.
"one perpetrator was ever convicted and spent just over 3 years in prison."
He didn't even spend his time in prison, after a few days he was released into house arrest.
Love the qualification at the end "worst war crime by America 'in the Vietnam war'"
Cause we got much more outside of that 😂
😂😂😂
*Agent Orange Has Entered The Chat*
War is a crime
@@hexapon133 *A B U G H R A I B H A S E N T E R E D T H E C H A T*
So does every country. Do you think you did something there?
"Anyone who runs is a VC, anyone who stands still is a well disciplined VC"
OHHH MY GOD WOOOOAH FULL METAL JACKET POP CULTURE REFERENCE UNDER VIDEO OF A WARCRIME GET IT BECAUSE REAL LIFE IS LIKE MOVIES WOOOOW!!!
DAMN THOSE VENTURE CAPITALISTS
@@oh_tewwomp womp
@@JacobRobbins-pg7ziHalo
How do you shoot women and children?!? Easy….you just don’t lead em so much! I could quote that whole movie 😂
The number of people in the comments trying to justify/defend this is truly disturbing
White people
Honestly I don't see anyone trying to
I’m not defending them but it doesn’t help when the viet cong are in civilian clothing that’s was the worst part of the war lots of vets say they didn’t know who to shoot
It is but my problem is that others are just using this as an excuse to straight up say they want to murder all people from the US
@@milescreaghan-ju5uchere one
"Most horrific war crime committed by American forces"........ That we know about....
Foreal if it wasn't for the little bird helicopter pilot who saved civilians while also documenting the atrocity on the ground. He had to make a huge effort to expose the full incident because higher ups wanted to sweep it under the rug. Literally only one soldier Lt. William Calley was brought to court and charged for the massacre of civilians numbering anywhere from 347 to 504. He was sentenced to life in prison but was reduced by president Nixon to just 3 days.... THREE DAYS in jail. That's it... Just three days for hundreds of lives of innocent man, women, and children..... Makes u think about the ones we didn't hear about or know of
We know about worse war crimes. Operation menu, operation Phoenix, tiger force.
@@IssaMorphic I see u know your history sir. I tip my hat.
I knew of OP Menu (the hush hush bombing of Ho Chi Minnh trail and literally invading Cambodia to jam up VC movement and weapons) and of course CIA's hit squad Phenix. Dudes where literal SS of Vietnam. But Tiger Force I totally forgot about or was mistaken about. They're the ones known for making human ear neckless for some reason I thought it was Charley Squad. The squad who put Ace of spades on their confirmed kills but nope it tiger squad, army airborne. Straight up no rules, barbaric torture, and killing of civilians thought to be VC. I just read that 18 soldiers were suppose to be taken to court but of course under the rug it went. Not one of those war criminals saw a jail cell . I understand war is complicated but the second u start dropping unarmed civilians you're no longer a soldier in my book. You're a murderer
And thus I can’t bring myself to thank any Vietnam vet for their service, you never know what they did out there.
Do you happen to know the name of the little bird crew
There was a helicopter crew that tried to save civilians and blew the whistle on the massacre. The sad thing is that were harassed, ostracized and given death threats for speaking up about it. Meanwhile, only a few members of Charlie Company were given a trial. The suspects received widespread support from politicians, media figures, and the public. All of them were acquitted, except for Lt. William Calley. Calley was sentenced to life in prison but was paroled a few years later. As of 2018, Calley is alive and lives in Florida.
Remember everyone, war crimes are only criminal if you weren’t an ally during WWII
Winners get to write history books my friend
@@jamesgoodnight322 What about all those Nazi generals who got to write about how it was the Russian's and Hitler's fault they didn't win
@@jamesgoodnight322 thin rope you are walking in
@@jamesgoodnight322 The Holocaust happened.
This is exactly what Nazi sympathisers say.
Follow your leader.
C company lay waste to every living thing in that Village. Men, women, children, animals,..... everything
This is why more civilian guerillas were made right?
@@chestnutburger194yep, never ending cycle. Not knowing who’s freind or foe after killing one or your buddies leads you to believing everyone is the enemy. And when you give your wrath to those people, it only creates more of them
@@chestnutburger194 yeah it's pretty much people at the start of the war would usually say "no i don't want to join the killing i'm not going to feed into this war"
but then they lose their loved one's who didn't join the war because of one side
so they join the other for revenge or to make sure that doesn't happen to other innocent people he know
@@chestnutburger194that's guerrila warfare for you... also shows how difficult it is for conventional military to deal with civillian combatants. Until they came up with special forces, they have a less direct and predictable approach, usually being infiltrated among the opposing force.
men women children here arent that innocent compared to usual depictions of being defenseless. these communities are savages these bunch of kids can ambush u rob u and they have guns since rebel groups always gives out to everyone in the community contraband guns who can say its far off when that time communist propaganda was the elephant in the room
'a few warcrimes ain't too bad'.
*fortunate son starts playing*
war crimes were committed by every army on every side. US is no exception. But let's not forget that Vietnamese committed war crimes such as murder, torture, kidnapping on a vastly larger scale.
"You shoot women and children? How could you shoot women and children!?!"
"Easy, you just don't lead em so much. Ain't war hell?"
@@TheEnclave-how is killing innocent people based
Dunowwww dunowwww dunowww dun dun
@@revolt_4588don’t bother commenting, they’re just kids
Other countries commit war crimes: "Nuremberg trials!"
Americans commit war crimes: "we were stressed and struggling with reality of war 🥲 have pity for us "
(Never gets convicted, because America and war crime = impossible correlation)
Yeah you know just ignore that during the Nuremberg trials the vast majority of Nazi war criminals were let go 185! No punishment Lmfao.
@@connorbranscombe6819 Doesnt mean he aint right
Dude, it is WAY different, and obviously you know nothing about war crimes or how they are prosecuted. Unlike murder, or other civilian crimes (or military), which are prosecuted after a single commission, war crimes are prosecuted when there is a clear and consistent pattern. So, dozens, hundreds or even thousands of instances. For example, even though there have been hundreds of instances of Russian soldiers committing war crimes, no Russian officers (or Putin) have been charged with war crimes because a clear and consistent pattern has yet to be established. Sometimes, like with Igor Strelkin and the downing of MH17, a particularly brutal and deadly act of terrorism might be charged as a war crime. However, only the ICC and other special tribunals really deal with war crimes, but soldiers who commit crimes (including murder) during military operations are usually charged by their own government for homicide under their military criminal code.
TLDR: war crimes are only for WELL established patterns of crime in war, and involve charging entire units and especially their commanding officers. Instances of a single act of depravity or criminality, such as the murders of mai Lai, would be prosecuted as regular military crimes by the soldiers’ nation (or potentially the nation where it happened), unlike war crimes that are prosecuted by the ICC.
As usual. How to avoid war crime charges? Be in NATO.
@@connorbranscombe6819
Except that’s completely false and all Germans were mass executed, especially if they worked on the Manhattan project.
Don’t forget about the crew chief that ordered his bird to land in front of civilians to shield them, and told the CO of Charlie that if he kept shooting civilians he would have his door gunners wax Charlie.
U can try to justify that war crime with anger, truth is nothing can justify those murdered civilians and raped children and women. Disgusting how u play it off as “vengeance”
Well. It kind of was. Justified,No. But the stress will drive people to do insane things. All they knew is their friends were slaughtered and anybody could be participating in it. Because the vc could blend with civilians.
@@tearex8688 Its not stress or anger, a lot of it is regular old racist propaganda.
A lot of Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan went there to kill muslims as revenge.
@@tearex8688Maybe just get competent and learn that someone running unarmed with common clothes isnt A DAMN COMBATANT? IS IT THAT HARD TO BE A GOOD PERSON?
They didnt even blend in civilians THEY USED BLACK PIJAMAS how tf didnt you SEE THAT SH*T
@@tearex8688That last part about VC blending in with soldiers is only half true, they didn't engage the enemy in civilian clothes, they usually disappeared into civilian areas removing their uniform
@@tearex8688 I'm sure the 10 year old children were all vietcong. Might I remind many of the woman and (in some cases very young) girls were abused before they were rounded up and shot. I will never understand how someone can look the the photographs of My Lai and think "this is understandable".
As they say..... Anyone running away from GIs are VC and anyone standing still is a well-disciplined VC
A true stain on American virtue and the desire to spread peace. May we never forget this awful tragedy and those who committed it.
They were not spreading peace
>America
>Spreading peace
Pick one
I love how neither of the two comments understand OPs message
hahahahaha american virtue??? spreading peace???? get out of yankee doodle university poor boy
@stanschoon5459 well I would like to imagine that was a goal from the founding fathers but yeah throughout history we have definitely diverged from that
I mean did you watch the short
I would argue the use of chemical weapons causing them to be deformed for years to come is worse that one village being slaughtered, or the tons of unexploded mines left there
You should be ashamed of yourself trying to justify a genocide in any way shape or form, it does not matter what these soldiers went trough that does not give them any right to target innocent civilians ever
To Be honest America was The villian during The Vietnam war
Well, yeah.
Well... Not really
And most wars
Duh..
@@jacaredosvudu1638 What
I love how they make it sound empathetic for american soldiers like "they were wore down and losing morale making them want retribution"
this video is not really about the massacre its about how the criminals felt bad before committing Thier crime
The MyLai massacre isn't taught in U.S. schools. They have to pay to learn about it in college. Unfortunately, history isn't a requirement for most college grads.
It's like you cheated on test, but still failed 😂
"Struggling with the realities of war", a nice get out jail free card from the onset.
My grandfather was one of the soldiers that passed through after the massacre. It still haunts him today.
I met a vet yesterday who i believe said he was there. The pain on his eyes was something.
I really think the depiction is so interesting. „Worn down moral through endless fighting“.
Now I imagine a German soldier. Worn down moral by years of fighting a relentless enemy, partisan attacks, lack of food, ammunition and supply while hearing you homeland gets bombed…
Would you say the same about a German massacre against partisans and villages?
Yea. I would. Yes. You were the "bad guys" but we all can feel the circumstance of such stressers. Its not limited to 1 group.
That probably did happen sometimes, but the Germans also had the SS who explicitly were there to do brutality for nazi ideology. It was not like most war brutalities in history.
@@tearex8688in both cases the cause was a direct command, not accidents.
"Zoniks Scooby those civilian we're unarmed"
REEHEHEHEHEHE
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
WTF!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
it's the next dudes "reheheh" that actually made me bust out laughing
Do you also call the SS poor germans who were tired?
“I never meant to hurt anyone”
“No one ever does”.
Oh, they 100% meant to hurt people in the absolute most fucked up ways a human mind can imagine.
@@studiotwilldeethat's true, but the comment is supposed to be a qoute from a video game that tackles the mental effects of wars on soldiers and war crimes called "Spec ops: the line".
Invades another country, another peoples land and gets angry when they shoot at you, peak American description
Invaded? South Vietnamese wanted the Americans to be there lol, especially the women.
@@MDPToaster South Vietnam was incredibly unpopular among their own people there's a reason why it collapsed as soon as the Americans left
@@brandonbeilbymcleod6546
South Vietnam remained for two years after America withdrew after it reached a peace agreement with North Vietnam.
Then communists showing that they can’t be trusted, broke the peace agreement and continued fighting the South for two years.
@@MDPToaster South Vietnam promised to hold fair and democratic elections in that peace agreement. Guess what!
@@saidblanco7696
Why should that matter to you you’re the one fellating a single party country that still doesn’t have free and open elections?
That's quite recent... don't forget the massacre skirmishes between Filipinos and Americans of early 1900's
You can find some pictures of US soldiers standing next to bodies of people stacked like logs from the Philippine insurrection
@@Anomaly-uz9prYep the Philippine-American War was brutal stuff and lotsa warcrimes on both sides sad events all around...
Not to mention the Philippine-American War was kind of an early proto-Vietnam for America and the same mistakes/problems would be arise in Vietnam years later...
Its the recent crimes we should discuss more about not what happened in the early 1900s. The American government in 1900 does not represent the modern day government.
@@Anomaly-uz9pr*Philippine-American War
@@justarandomcommenter570America won the Philippine american war
It is fairly disgusting to begin the story of My Lai with trying to illicit empathy for the perpetrators.
Its giving IDF vibes
don't fight in civilian clothing.
@@donny5302 that still doesnt give the right to line up littleral woman and children and murdering them, this isnt an accidental incident in which civilians were caught in the crossfire. The Americans went in and murdered everyone they could get there hands on even the fucking toddlers how dare you sit there and defend that in any way shape or form
@@donny5302 how about you stay your azz in your own country for once
So bassicaly they invaded and got mad that the enemy defends and actualy fights so they massacre a vilage XD
Hamas hide behind civilians. Civilians get shot. Imagine my shock.
Basically yea lol
There weren't any VC in those villages
i will assume that 'VC' stands for vietkong ? and if so thats the whole point of my comment that america invaded got mad that vietnam defended by any means necesery and then they slaughtered a vilage @@RandomVidsforthoughtif thats not it my bad
@@vadaspikas9940 Kudos to hugh thompson for actually caring and saving as many people as he can
War doesn't care about your politics.
There is no "War crime" just war
You're obviously American, you don't accept war crimes
Remember friends, hate the enemy you don’t know, and love the one you do. All committed war crimes.
Yet how recent is the new knowledge of one countries war crimes?
Not pointing fingers or hating one either side!
Just looking and wondering what ifs and trying to understand why and how people justified how they acted
Sad that punishment was minimal for the American perpetrators.
Further murder and destruction was only prevented thanks to an American helicopter pilot. I believe he became something of a pariah in the military after that.
Oh course you will make excuses by saying their moral was low
Lol yeah, low morale doesn't make anyone into a child rapist
@@studiotwilldeeno, but it does result in psychological damage. These were boys being worn down day and night. Killing out of necessity. Then, a time comes when you see the enemy and the enemies civilians as the same. You see those people as the ones who shot your friend, wounded you in combat, or sent you to those jungles. Then you shoot. I denounce that, but sympathize with the fact they were going mad from war. War is hell.
@@cr1tikalisapoopyhead742fuck you talking about? You trying to justify them so badly bro yeah a good job indeed. SCOREBOARD SCOREBOARD
@@cr1tikalisapoopyhead742 Yeah maybe Nzis wern't so evil.
@@cr1tikalisapoopyhead742 do they say that about the Nazis or terroists?
"The Most Horrific War Crime commited by the US"
Usage of Chemical Weapons:
Usage of biological weapons they created from Unit 731 research:
The US: "This is just pesticide, it's totally not chemical weapons"
Also the US to Iraq: "Hurr durr you used imaginary chemical weapons, me mad!"
Iraq literally gassed iranian forces in the iran iraq war, hussein led a genocide against the kurds and another muslim group i cant remember the exact name but it starts with and S, iraq wasnt innocent, even my dad who fought in it said that when he found out there werent WMDs he didnt care cause of the horrific things hussein did@anhnguyenhoang210
@@anhnguyenhoang210 halabja massacre
“In the Vietnam war*”
Why did you spend 3/4 of this short rationalizing this horrific slaughter in an evil expansionist war?
Expansionist?
It was imperialist and generally unnecessary and messed up but last I check the US didn’t have any plans on annexing anything.
How was it expansionist? They literally refused to invade north Vietnam where as north Vietnam insisted on invading south Vietnam.
@@willjapheth23789 wat... South Vietnam was a colony set up by the Americans to suppress the liberatory aims of the Viet Cong against the French. The North was "invading" lol it was retaking its own land form colonists and their collaborators.
It's not expansionist when you are retaking your own land from occupiers.... that is what North Vietnam was doing. South Vietnam was a US/French puppet state.
@surgeland9084 that doesn't explain how the US was expansionist. You can whine about the proxy war but there was no annexation attempt or even thought of. Love your excuse for invasion by the north Vietnamese. It's pretty sad.
This short videos a.) is appallingly apologetic and b.) contains several historical falsehoods. (Basically that's all it contains.)
You actually gonna point them out or just say it and not clarify further?
Nah then he would be caught in the lie@ahpjlm
@@ahpjlmIt literally doesn’t even take an ounce of critical thinking skills to surmise what he said on your own listen to the video and you can hear all the attempts to justify and excuse the actions that took place during the massacre stop being disingenuous and using weaponised ignorance
Don’t justify a genocide with “low morale” my grandfather was forcefully drafted only to die on a bed waiting for a doctor, he lied there for three hours while his organs failed, this was in the United States after his service in the infantry. A specialist, but to them he was a tool ready to be discarded. Don’t give your lives up for someone else’s profit.
Way to sidestep the blame
I remember the shellshock 67 game intro.
Snap back to reality
Op, there goes your sanity
@@Yogasefski I thought you were fighting me in comments but then I realized that's in the song🤣 sorry
@@Yogasefski Op, there goes gravity
ZOV pfp
Ztard
Love how this guy is making excuses for why the massacre occurred
The saddest part Is that Ho Chi Min asked for help to the USA for 18 times
In the 2010’s I was apart of an exchange program to Germany my history teacher there (who didn’t like Americans) brought this subject up talking about how it was the most ruthless case of a military committing crimes against humanity. My counter point got me kicked out of class.
What was the counter point?
@@AllHailTheBobSemplethey were in Germany, so you can probably imagine
@@daltongarrett3393 yea, I assumed but because they are in Germany that exact thing would be on their curriculum so the teacher wouldn’t be surprised and wouldn’t kick anyone out for that
@@AllHailTheBobSemple it really depends on the teacher and/or the area in Germany. That ideology didn’t die out after the war or reconstruction, and the strife in east Germany fostered the remnants of it. There are plenty of sympathizers (my opinion of the political inclination of the majority of Germans is pretty high though).
@@daltongarrett3393 but these sympathizers usually lose their teaching license over something they say concerning the Nazis
"i don't remember this being taught in.." blah blah blah. Thats because you were in remedial classes and didn't pay attention, this was wildly published about and has been taught about sense.
You’re honestly a moron for generalizing it. No I graduated in 2020 and have never hear of this until now. No they don’t teach this stuff in a lot of schools
100%. This conspiracy mindset of "they don't want you to know this" is very unhealthy.
History teachers never wanted to talk about Vietnam.
So I went to the Library and found a book titled "Remember My Lai."
The only one recorded and publicized
narrator having too much fun with his script lmao
What fun?
Can you tell me which part is "fun"? Because i can't find it like how i find your history knowledge.
@@lapp2865 I was talking about "inserting" and other things that seemed like sex jokes, but tbf i'm not sure I was right
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Like how they had to specify in the Vietnam war as Americans commit worse war crimes than that
The worst thing is that it isn't mentioned in history lessons
Truly an american moment...
They were just caught lmao
Are you going to talk about the Hue massacre as well?
This is only a snippet of the full video
It’s expected from a communist to do fucked up things but for a “Freedom” fighters who always condemn other countries for doing war crimes is not expected (they proven how democracy and capitalism are cancer of humanity)
The most common known and publicly available war crime in history
But. . . But. . . The holocaust?
The greatest case of "The government and army investigates that the government and army did nothing wrong".
"Freedom"
Context is important to understand. North Vietnamese forces and Viet Cong killed many civilians during that war.
It is estimated that North Vietnamese forces killed 30,000 South Vietnamese citizens during the fall of Saigon. And 200,000 to 300,000 South Vietnamese were sent to forced re-education and labor camps afterward.
The North Vietnamese forces commited acts that were every bit as evil as anything the Americans did. Yet North Vietnamese crimes against humanity are a rather slept on topic
The force re-education part was considered necessary in vietnam
Made up numbers that have absolutely 0 source or form of back up, and also justifies nothing. Sure, you kill 10 greens? then i kill 50 greens, get some!
what logic is that?
boo-hoo, this is whataboutism
these soldiers commited a massacre of civilians, but guys what about the context!!!
@@jogurt5577 it's not whataboutism, it's acknowledging that neither side was "good" or "evil"
The communists commited more than enough war crimes to compete with the Americans.
Sound like you just want to hide your country warcrime with another's warcrime, how typical
Nice description that minimizes the responsibilities for that war crime.
"If it moves its a VC if it stands still its a well disciplined VC"
Oh you are saying Lt. Calley and his platoon sergeant are innocent? Get history right of quit your channel.
he never called them innocent, he referred to it as 'the worst warcrime committed by american troops'. get your listening checked or dont comment.
@@ShadyIndividual513he tried to justify the crimes in the beginning
@@Ye-lx3rzhe called it the worst war crime committed by american troops in the vietnam war, but even if we ignore it, he wasnt justifying or coming up with excuses, he was giving reasons. explaining why someone is a bully by going over what troubles theyve gone through isnt making excuses for them, its explaining why they did it, which is what he did.
I like that this assessment is more fair than the typical take.
Most people just say "they were bad" or call them "evil".
But when you're a kid drafted into a war you dont wanna be in and you're under so much pressure I can understand acting out in this way.
Not saying they were right or I defend them, but I definitely understand the frustration that caused this horrible evern5.
idk man, there also were several rapes, one of them even on a 12 year old girl
Yup. Information bias. NVA/VC atrocities against civilians were not well documented and were easily covered up though much more numerous and frequent by most accounts.
War is bad. Bad things happen in war.
I get where you're coming from, and I can agree to a small extent. However there is a very clear line at killing unarmed women and children, and this can't be excused. It sucks that they had to go and fight that war, but what they did was evil and there is no excuse and no justification. This goes well beyond "acting out". Most of the men were probably not evil people but they did a heinous evil thing, and there were certainly evil people in the command of that company based on the interactions that are recorded between them and Hugh Thompson.
@@andrewd6438it doesnt really help too that the VC hides in plain sights as civilians further causing american GI's distrust and resentment towards the vietnamese civilians
@@NONO-oy1cushouldn't have invaded them then, shouldn't have interfered in other countries business then
This was a perfect example for framing to let a crime sound less cruel. You didn't even mention what the soldiers had done to the civilians!
*in the Vietnam war.
Love that detail.
That last guy shot looked like he did not care. 😂
You literally gave us zero information about the My Lai massacre other than the location of the event and that c company flew in by helicopter.
“It’s only a war crime when the other guy does it”
Hopefully the VC didn’t take prisoners after this one
It's hard fighting a war against an enemy who doesn't wear distinguishing uniforms and hides behide innocent shields to shoot at you. Even the Europeans never used draftees to fight their colonial wars.
There is more to the story here, not justifying what happened in the slightest, because nothing excuses the orders rendered by 2nd Lt. William Calley, but there were mortars being shot from that village killing several US Servicemen. That doesn't justify their actions, but it wasn't just a case of bloodthirsty GI's.
It was supposed to be an area clear of civilians. The location was declared a free fire zone, but there were innocent lives there 😢😢
They abused woman and children before murdering them, look at the photographs and tell me those little children were vietcong.
"Hey, it's war baby. What are ya gonna do?"
I love how american war crimes are always hidden and excused. But other war crimes are just evil and with no reason.
This video has my crying, laughing, throwing up. I’m genuinely getting my sanity damaged.
One of “ recorded American war crime”
Both sides committed war crimes, just sucks that Vietcong decided to fight in civilian attire🤷♂️
They fought in their own uniforms, some mixed with civillian attire, but in this case it is dead set that the people who died were UNARMED, and DOES NOT SHOW ANY SIGNS OF A THREAT.
@@Thigamabobthat is beside the point. As soon as you mix your military forces with civilian attire you expose civilians to dangerous conditions. In the fog of war it’s hard to deem those armed and unarmed and even harder if they wear the same clothes
There’s a lot of people in here who don’t understand the difference between justification and explanation and it’s something that the general public struggles with.
You’ll see people on Twitter getting pissed off with professional historians because they don’t know the difference.
To put it as simply as possible: justification is the defense of an event using evidence. It is typically used to support a stance.
Explanations are the answers the question as to WHY and to clarify the reason as to why something happens through evidence.
In the video: Griffin EXPLAINS how Charlie Company’s combat experience in Vietnam has drastically affected their view of the Vietnamese people, creating a sense of revenge which ultimately leads to the slaughter of unarmed villagers.
Edit: This is an example of justification of the short
But Cambridge Dictionary says: justification is:
•The action of showing something to be right or reasonable.
•good reason for something that exists or has been done.
I wonder who's wrong 🤔
Lets analyse together what was said in the video, shall we?
So
He literally said in the video that marines:
had their morale worn-out because of vietcong attacks that resulted in their comrades being killed, wanted retribution, were overwhelmed by fear and anger and that resulted in things spiralling out of their control ...
So they massacred innocent people and innocent livestock as well., they also burned houses because the orders were specific and they did exactly what they were orderes to do and its well documented but he didnt mentioned any of it ! Why? because it would be too tainting for the narrative he's trying to sell In this case the action of showing something to be right or reasonable and/or a good reason for something that exists or has been done wouldnt work very well if he told us these inconvenient parts of the story.
Now i wonder if you'll be able to take an L or you'll just keep knowing everything better than everyone, even better than dictionaries 😂
Why are you trying to justify it?
Funny how I don't remember this being taught in highschool
@@ericolsen5592 I learned how this stuff in school.
The amount of generic “America bad.” Comments coming from NPCs in this comment section is funny.. Because yes, lets take tragedies and horrible events like this to justify our shady political world views..
Ain't that how you make opinions? By interpreting evidence and making conclusions
Vietcong also slandering the civilian population. Everybody sleeps.
@@obesespringroll3997 Yeah, the issue im taking is that most people who maintain the “america bad.” Opinion ive seen so much only get it through viewing propaganda narrative from rival governments, or generally only have “half the picture” when it comes to complex topics like iraq, the vietnam war, etc…
They only judge the war by their ignorance and personal feelings and are also biased against a country/organization/thing that they don't like.
America bad is true at least in the foreign policy sense. This wasn't an accident. Operation menu, operation Phoenix, and tiger force all happened too. U.S. leaders knew what they were doing was based on a lie (Gulf of Tonkin Incident), they knew how many people were dying because of the American invasion and they kept doing it. And literally any president from the 20th century would've probably done the same thing or actually did something similar. Also invading Vietnam isn't even close to the worst thing America has done to another country, at least Vietnam is a decently functioning country now unlike America's other victims.
I cried when Bon said it was waltening time😭😭😭😭
This is the most propaganda you could find in a video ever. Trying to excuse intentional war crimes. Making US forces seem like they were too overwhelmed to think straight.
All these obsessive "America bad" comments are the biggest hurdle to the US admitting to having done wrong.
I agree. Any time the US fights a guerilla enemy they intentionally create situations like this to make the US the villain. Everyone falls for it because it did in fact happen but the only people who could EVER understand why are the people who were there.
Well what are you expected us to say? "Oh they kill babies so good"? Of course its fucking bad whats wrong with you. You defend killing innocents?
Hurdle? They never admitted and never will.
@@Thigamabob Americans have been talking about the US doing awful stuff in Vietnam since the war was still going on. Everyone in the US recognizes US war crimes in Vietnam. It's even talked about in evils. Yet everytime an American is brave enough to bring up America's past evils around non-Americans every non-American jumps on the hate train. So y'all just make it not worth it to even try.
Hue Massacre needs to be educated. NVA and PAVN crimes must be educated as well.
keep yapping, next time bring up the Cai Lay incident too. You traitor and your daddy had quite a history of bombarding the civilians then blamed the opponents for it
Yeah but they are communist. It is expected to see/hear communist doing the fucked yo things but those freedom fighters who always condemn the other countries for doing war crimes yet also commit them is very hypocritical
Jane Fonda was right about Vietnam
All is fair in love and war
we ignore the geneva convention
>realamericanstar
I mean, these things do happen. It’s undeniable given the bloodiness of the conflict and the strain on the men. Some Wars shouldn’t have been fought, at least not like this.
How do people keep justifying warcrimes??
Is that a new western thing im not getting i mean people are justifying Airstrikes on civilians in gaza.
@@lionzzzShouldn’t have been fought… Yup, totally warcrime defense
@@lionzzz"war crime" gotta love these modern invented terms that didn't mean anything 100 years ago.
Something you should realize, kid, is that the entire history of human kind is war after war after war. Non of this is anything new, and it's pretty tame when compared to history as a whole.
It shouldn't happen
@@Adammrtl27so your logic is "new words don't mean anything"
I do not understand what you're trying to say
The Vietnamese tortured the us so badly and kept them at little cages too
And the US led south Vietnamese government also used horrific torture methods. What’s your point
@@Sam-yk3vzhop off
I don't know if this is from the same event but I saw a photo of women and children being held prisoner.
One of them was buttoning up her shirt. If you understand the context like I did, you'll understand that blood death or gore doesn't need to make a photo disturbing 😢
This video is utterly gross. It’s all about how bad the murderers felt. No mention of their victims. That’s racism for you. Even when committing war crimes the Americans are still the real victims.
I do have to ask you do you think before you speak or were you born stupid
You’re stretching a bit there with the video’s message.
Look at what we have here, a American try to defend and justify their action by using the logic "Communist bad, America good"
@lapp2865 look what we have here a non American trying to defend there logic by saying "US bad everyone good" like we are the only country to war crime somewhere sorry sir but we don't need anymore cock gobblers thanks for the spit shine tho
Yeah gotta throw in racism somehow lolz. Calm down keyboard warrior
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damn bro really
@@jejehatesme31 It's bait
lolcow pfp
It’s the creek. This battle is the fight for Malevelon creek. Oh god…
It didn’t help that the fact was that bit song would often dress up as civilians to confuse American soldiers
Off topic question, why the pilot look like he edging
Those pesky vietnamese... Resisting american liberators in Vietnam. Don't they want a taste of democracy?