The Facts Behind the New Dead Sea Scrolls Discovery (Interview with Craig Evans)
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- Is the latest discovery of new Dead Sea Scrolls reliable? How were they found? What do they reveal? In this interview, I talk with Craig Evans, one of the leading biblical scholars today, about this fascinating new discovery.
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Welcome home brother
Sean McDowell, I have discovered this channel a week ago, I can tell you are doing a great job with such outstanding interviews. You are very passionate in what you do. Let Good success be with you and your family.
I studied while in my MDiv under Dr. Gene Mayhew, ThD. Professor Emeritus Moody Theological Seminary Old Testament, and Semitic Languages. He was instrumental in my interest in the OT and urged me to begin my ThD in OT Jewish Studies. Great and interesting video. Thanks.
Watch at 2x speed. Perfectly understandable and save half the time.
Your ears work faster than mine..
Easy on the coffee brother. 1.3 speed worked for me. :)
Lmao is that possible 😂
1.5 working for me
How does one change the speed?
Thanks brother Sean for your labor of love in bringing so many knowledgeable people on the program.
I'm glad for your faith crisis in your late teens. The fruit of your quest for truth is bearing good fruit many years later.
God bless you richly.
Thank you my friend!
Skip to 23min it’s when they start discussing the translation of the scrolls.
Thanks!!!!
I wish I’d have seen this comment before the 22:48 mark! Haha
Not all heroes wear capes.
Why have you not been honest with who you are - a JW?
Did you not listen to the reason why the scribe would have mis applied this section?
@tfbbm
no problem.
An interview with Craig Evans on the dead sea scrolls! Amazing!
Dead scrolls found meanwhile dipshit @Cory Aidan is hacking Insta accounts
@Cory Aidan how that concern us.do think it's neat.
@@michaeljdt9235 like as if finding another ancient Bible scroll has anything to do with cyber hacking! Where do these people come from?
@Lies Exposed wrong!
@Lies Exposed if that were true they would have read Isaiah and have realized Jesus was their messiah
I love the idea of the Isaiah scroll being rolled out on some church pew in rural North Carolina in the '40s. There's something strangely appropriate about it.
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I know what you're saying & it's a lovely image but at the same time I'm kinda horrified he'd be so cavalier regarding such a unique ancient item.
Yes, especially considering that was right about the same time that Israel was reborn in a day, just like Isaiah's rhetorical question!
Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
Isaiah 66:8
Wow. Good conversation. It's not necessary to practice a particular religion for a person to appreciate these artifacts and their importance and the chanciness involved in their appearance on the World Stage. In 1986 i discussed the DSS with a new friend who said, "Did you know the London headlines announced: 'New Discovery Dead Sea Squirrels'".
Shockingly Irresponsible, actually, for handling a 2,000 year old scroll !
Fascinating! Great interview thank you so much ,I could listen to your guest speak on the Dead Sea scrolls for hours.
A lot of the soil in the Judean Wilderness along the cliffs of the Rift are Senonian chalk. Very soft, which makes digging caves easy. But it's not a sturdy substrate to be rappeling down.
Fascinating, all the details of archeology I'd never considered...the darkness, the bird and bat dung and debris, the complete lack of fundamental amenities (duh), the danger, the heat...fascinating.
I had this on my calendar and still missed it. I got all my questions answered anyway. Thanks!!!
Yeah!
Such an informative show! Thanks
Really? They never say what's written on them. Useless.
@@rudyferrell yes. I'm sorry.
This was a greatly insightful interview.
This is my favourite stop on the internet. And Craig Evans is an amazing guest. I love hearing from him.
It's amazing how we have such new technologies that we can explore unreachable places with drones I never expected to see Dr. Craig Evans with a beard! I started growing mine a couple of months ago. You look good Dr. Craig Evans!
"escatological texts," really the best unintentional commentary I can imagine.
What do you mean? Haven't you ever heard that term before? 🤔 there are several texts considered escatological ones, some very old and others not much. I have a book on Christian prophecies with many of these texts and by the way, majority of them have already taken place or are about to become reality. I confess to you I got so scared before reaching the middle of it and I couldn't read more! It was published in 1982 and the author died in the 90s without making a review. I wonder what he could think now if he could be here among us....
@@laurids2007 It's wordplay. "Eschatology" and "es-scatology" sound the same. I'm saying that they're full of ****.
@@NoWay1969 seriously...?
@@mikeyant2445 😁
That's amazing!!!
There are so many new discoveries coming from Jerusalem & the land of milk & honey , Israel . This is a monumental wonder , waiting to be discovered & translated . Great to see Archeologist , Scholar's & Theologists working , together . God bless . These scrolls belong to the world , not private collector's , they are of utmost importance ????
Be careful what you believe about Israel, It was conquered by the (Anti-Christ) Romans and they have been hiding the truth ever since and thanks to them and later the Rothschild's who funded creation of New Israel and made sure there are no real Jews in CHRIST in Israel today.
The layout oof the original Jerusalem and it's original Temple and certain other structures were hidden by certain people that even today want t control information and replace truth with lies.
@@DwightHayesTHEWINDOPRO Thanx for the advice , but keep your religion of (Anti Christ) out of it , I just mentioned the achievement in task ?
Milk, honey and apartheid.
@@DwightHayesTHEWINDOPRO blah blah blah
New sub...amazing talk..thank you!
For those who are searching...
The long dead authors of these written accounts knew far less than you know.
Still it's fun to keep searching through these crumbling scrolls for answers.
Now there's a perspective to consider!
But when few control the information released, or doctor the information, these authors may have known the necessary information called truth. 🤙 Aloha from Hawaii.
I beg to differ.
Such arrogance...
Hello Sean, great show! Thank you. You look a lot like your dad used to 😊 back in the day. A city bus driver was reading his book in 1975 in Albuquerque, and he as well as the book led me to the Lord, way back then. You remind me of myself when I was a younger preppy prof, t-shirt, and sports jacket, nice. I finally met your dad in 1988 in a Julian, CA camp he was holding then. I was in good shape then, a marathon runner, and I remember he was competitive like me. He did not like coming in behind me in his 5 or 10 k race then, the apple pie that day tasted a bit better. I praise the Lord, and thank Him, for bringing him (I think it was Dottie) and yourself into all of our lives. God bless you, young man. Rooting for any apologetic.
Thank you for sharing. So cool!
I hope that city bus driver wasn't reading the book while driving!
@@ClauGutierrezYyour mind wanders in an interesting way. No he would only read on his breaks, the book tho was within sight of where you would toss the money in, and his bag if that helps. Sometimes when done with school I would stay 2 entire rides and listen to him preach and share what he learned. He also spoke of how Josh was an atheist until He could not prove the disproving of Jesus, He had to come grips with believing. God takes us as far as the ride needs to be.
Very interesting view point on dead sea scrolls and other stuff I've seen you in
Wonderful!
I just want to know what's written on them. Why is it so hard to find out what's in them?
Dead seagulls I would say, more fake shit about a fictional character in a work of fiction, Shepherd boys throwing stones into a cave , go tell that to the Marines, dead seagull strolls, we all know a dead seagull can’t walk, he has a PhD big deal, I have 2 PHD’s,one I keep in my truck and one I keep in the shed, PHD = Post-Hole- Digger, I have a Red one and a Black one.😂😂😂
Search Ken Johnson Dead Sea Scrolls
You can find it on some academic sites I have seen, but I don't remember where. It is usually just a repeat of what we already know or have but with some additions about "sons of light" and a battle or the location of temple treasures using landmarks akin to "turn left at the McDonalds" which mean nothing without their original context. That sort of thing. Try Google Scholar and look for the citations at the end and that might give you the link, or just go searching online. Unfortunately, google searches aren't what they used to be but universities have online pictures of the scrolls (the ones pieced together) and the great Isiah scroll has a display in Israel (can't remember if it is a copy or the original) in a museum for the public. They used to be more proprietary but have loosened up alot since they realized their mistake of allowing politics to win out over academia. Now they have it all split with partner universities who help them out with translation. I know someone whose father worked on translating some of the scrolls and Isaiah was a little bit different, but that only interests a few people. Read what you have in the bible, and then compare with the Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, Arabic writings with biblical scrolls and you'll see if the differences are interesting and meaningful to you -- or not.
@@PaleHorseRid3r this is way beyond Pete’s mind or comprehension.
@@PaleHorseRid3r or people may have been more clueless back then.
Thank you so much for a wonderful video
Good show. Thanks for the Info.
Instead of using a PHD get yourself a JCB
Choosing between seeing things from the perspective of those who wrote it versus how it fits into what we understand today are two different things but not necessarily mutually exclusive as long as you can see the difference between the two and keep track of it. Both perspectives either are or were as dynamic as the people holding the perspective in their time.
Good show, gents.
I was reading about the scrolls the other day, and must say, wondered about how much truth is in the story of discovery and the how, whys, where's and what's. This interview is in good timing as such and I'm ready to listen.
One of my 'silly' thoughts while reading was the boys' chance finding with the clay pots hidden below and breaking/ cracking. The term 'crackpot' came to me. I pray not too many crackpots have been released into the world to impart historical facts that the world can trust.
Our Lord is a task master and sure doesn't make the discovery of Truth easy. Being reminded to believe nothing and question everything is the best advice ever.
Around 27 minute mark- I am told there is no Hebrew word for coincidence.
Doubt, doubt and more doubt. I just found this out today. I have to admit I became a bit excited leaning a few things but today my silly bubble was burst. It’s a good reminder to never jump in any new idea I have. I do believe in God and I feel my heart and soul are being healed from serious heartbreak over loosing my faith. I didn’t know I had it until I lost it. Anyway I enjoyed your comment
I really enjoyed this. Thank you.
I saw the Dead Sea Scrolls at Bowers Museum years ago. So fascinating
@Lies Exposed wrong again!
@Lies Exposed dumb ass!
@Lies Exposed piss off!
Thank you both.
You bet
Absolute crap!! When these scrolls were made there was very little accurate Science, today we learn that this stuff may be historical but does not prove anything or explain the bibles errors and mistakes such as Genesis, the story of creation! Crazy thinking!
great interview.
I dont believe in coincidence in these things. timing and whats found I see a Father revealing something to us. There is a reason Jesus said "he who has an ear let him hear" multiple times
@Frank Beans The Dead Sea Scrolls were found mostly in clay jars inside caves along the Dead Sea near the ancient Essene community of Qumran.
These jars are known as “keneesas,” (sp.?)which were used to store Scriptures that were no longer in use. I.e., many were much older than the time of Jesus; up to about 200 years BC, some later, right up to the time of the Roman siege, beginning in AD 68. That’s the date they were likely abandoned, not to be discovered again until the 1940s.
Some believe there may be some New Testament fragments among them, although this is doubtful given the early date. But speculation abounds on this issue.
Does anybody know if there has been any findings of the Psalms of Solomon in the Hebrew? I've read that the versions from the Septuagint in the Greek is all we have. Wondering if any new discoveries have been found in Hebrew, and if so, how far back does it go?
Dr. Mc. the video was excellent and the questions and answers were spot on helpful and to the point.
Keep the truth true. Great research!
yes and keep theism/Satanism out of history other than the proven victims we find due to this terrible long lasting VIRUS infecting humans. Once God is back as a MYTH behind the line of CLAIMS as a false claim..the world will heal...as long as people keep trying to make the lie he is real and creator the worlds fight to end the lies and effects of the victims on the future they make blink as they push for extinction.
Thanks I took some golden nuggets from this.
I'm a huge fan of Dr Evans and Sean so I really enjoyed this.
So glad it was helpful!
Very interesting. Thank. you.
What is the specific website spoken of? How does one go about taking part of an archaeological digf? Any details? I would, possibly, take time off from work to do that and see Israel....
Rod K the website is Biblical Archeology Society
Loved this interview!
"How does this discovery affect the claim that the Qumram community worshipped an early version of Jesus, a Teacher of Righteousness who died, rose from the dead, and then ascended into heaven? 🙂" I googled this, but could not find where it said that the TOR rose from the dead. Can you share a link?
@@liljade53, why don’t you look in the KJV Bible, the preserved word of God, YHVH, the only true living God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and the only translation taken from the authentic Masoretic texts and the Textus Recepticus? In a world that devotes itself to hating and mocking the Lord Jesus Christ (only Him, not the false gods of pagan religions, which itself speaks VOLUMES), why would you expect to be able to “Google” the truth? God’s word is the only truth in this world that’s ruled by the usurper, Satan, and his minions. Jesus tells us until He returns, Satan is the god of this age, who usurped dominion over the earth when he deceived Eve in the Garden of Eden. Scripture tells us over 500 people at once we’re eyewitnesses to the risen Christ, and at the time Paul wrote those scriptures, the majority of the 500+ people who saw the resurrected Christ with their own eyes, all at once, were still alive to contradict Paul’s writings if they had not actually seen the risen Christ, but NONE OF THEM DID. The reason the Bible has been proven to be the true Holy Spirit inspired word of God is because it’s an accurate account of human history, and is confirmed by archaeological findings. Do you know that prior to 1950 or so, there were reports in newspapers around the world of archaeologists discovering the bones of giants, confirming the Bible’s account of Genesis 6 and the race of giant Nephilim who were created when fallen angels mated with human women in an attempt to corrupt all mankind’s D N A to prevent the Word, Jesus Christ, from becoming a flesh man to be the Kinsman Redeemer for mankind. But in the 1950’s is when they began teaching the lies of evolution, and the bones of the giants were removed from museums, and covered up, because they don’t want humanity to know we have a Creator, Jesus Christ, who loves us. Our God and Creator loves us so much that He came down to us and became incarnate in the flesh body of Jesus Christ, to pay the death penalty our sins had earned us with His own life, because Jesus knew He could raise Himself up again the 3rd day. The fact that the Bible prophecies written in the scriptures thousands of years ago are coming true today proves our God and Savior, Jesus Christ, is alive and sitting on the throne of Heaven, orchestrating the end times events. Why can’t Jesus just come back now? Because God, unlike mankind, is not a liar, and since He has given us the end of the world from the beginning of the world written in the scriptures, the scriptures must be fulfilled exactly as written, because if they are not fulfilled exactly as the Holy Spirit gave them to man to be written, then that would make God a liar, and Jesus Christ, God in the flesh, can’t lie because He has no sin in Him. That’s why Jesus says the scriptures must be fulfilled in order for Him to return. The Bible is 1/3 prophecy, and over 2,000 prophecies have been fulfilled exactly as written. Jesus told us about artificial intelligence thousands of years ago, when He told John in the last days life would be given to the image of the beast, so the beast could speak. Jesus told us in Revelati0n that all the nations would be deceived by a pharmaceutical, which is the death jab for the C0VID lie. So if you want the truth, read the KJV Bible. It’s the proven preserved word of God, given to man by His Holy Spirit, as evidenced by the 100% accurate fulfillment of the prophecies within it. Do you know Psalm 22 is a prophecy of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ? And it was written about 500 years BEFORE Christ came, and before crucifixion ever existed. The coming of the Messiah, the Savior of mankind, all who believe in Jesus Christ, was the fulfillment of over 300 prophecies written in the Old Testament scriptures? That’s why Jesus was so harsh towards the religious leaders of Isr@el who should have immediately recognized Jesus as their PROPHESIED Messiah, but they didn’t, because they didn’t know the scriptures that they should have known because the scriptures were only given to Isr@el at first. After Isr@el rejected their Messiah and His kingdom, Jesus commanded the gospel go to the other nations of the world, to the Gentiles, and praise Jesus for His mercy and grace upon us who believe on His finished work on the cross and His resurrection the 3rd day for eternal life.
@@Redeemed.of.YHVH.thru.Christ you're preaching to the choir pal! I believe everything you believe, except that I like other translations as well as the Kings James version
@@Redeemed.of.YHVH.thru.Christ I was replying to another commenter who said that the Dead Sea Scrolls contained writing about a teacher of righteousness that rose from the dead. If you look at what I put in quotes you will see it. They were implying that Jesus was a made-up version of the teacher of righteousness who lived among the essenes. I Googled to see if that was indeed written in the scrolls, but could not find that statement. . I did not Google to see if Jesus rose from the dead.I already know that.
@Lilac Bush You poor thing. You realize the lie that the Khazars converted to Judaism has been completely disproved (and was a feeble re-write of history from its inception). The Turkic Khazars converted alright, but to islam. Your entire premise is false.
A very interesting interview! I'm looking forward to upcoming interviews and presentations. Thank you very much.
LOL!! Love it! Quiet time! 👍
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I think the book of Daniel told instructions on what to do with them until they were decodable.
After I became passionate about Apologetics and evangelism a few years ago, there's been an interesting juxtaposition that takes place. Learning about God's Word and His Truth objectively forces you to accept the findings even if there's an underlying fear that what you study and find will conflict with traditional beliefs we form.
What I've learned so far, is there's so much more to learn! To let God's Truth reveal itself and not think we have to force it to. Truth is truth and it will show itself, time and time again. God never disappoints! We just need to be open to accept those revelations and know there will always be tough questions!
Where can old maps found be looked at Link?
Finding greek fragments also validates the age if the Septuagint and shows it is the authority over the hebrew
I think the hebrew plagiarize the Septuagint
@@ahratazaratazahla6923 absolutely 👍
Ahh the good doctor! This guy really is a great teacher. I remember what he taught me in Greek class - I pass all of it on to my own students now!
So Adam, is Craig Evans postulating that the Hebrew scholars were writing/recording scriptures in the original Greek on sheepskin instead of papyrus? And do any of the Hebrew manuscripts resemble the lettering on the Moabite Stone?
@@tommythompson6156 No idea how you got to those questions from what I said, but okay.
But, to kind of answer your multi-faceted question: many Jewish people in the first century (and long before) were writing in Greek. The Essenes wrote a number of their documents (the DDS) in Greek. Those were on papyri as we have found. This is largely the product of Hellenism, as you may know, and the Greek language was prevalent, even amongst the Jews, in the first century.
That use of the Isaiah scroll sounds Irresponsible with a 2,000 year old scroll ! What kind of "scholars" are those ? Thank you so much for this very interesting discussion !
Thanks so much, awesome
It pertains to 4+ thousand years of pre-fortold human history.
"Operation Scroll" "The Raiders of the lost scriptures". How cool is that?
explain 😅
Fascinating interview. Additional research forthcoming. Jesus is the fulfillment of the Law of Moses & the Prophets for salvation from sins (Luke 24:27, 46-47). 400 to 1000+ years before Jesus was born. 📖✝
Wait until you discover that Hebrew Cosmology is true.
Exactly 💯!!! It'll be amazing when all the pridefueled easily triggered Helios the sun 🌞 deity worship spinning moving ba'al model cosmology actually read the BIBLE & stop denying the 40 + scriptures that make the Hebrew COSMOLOGY
11 scriptures alone say fixed & immovable i get attacked every time I ask what about the scriptures that say its fixed & immovable.
Just that line sets off so many programmed with built in trigger words - supposed Christians!!!
Saying things like
- You'll regret that on judgement day
to
- I have my education in physics go outside use common sense its spinning haha
- The earths not Flat (never said it was just that line) you are stupid led to believe lies
I said to one that the Bible says different than the HELIOS/OSIRIS SUN DEITY WORSHIP SPINNING BA'AL EARTH COSMOLOGY MODEL - He said - YHWH will make adjustments for science & common sense haha WOW!!!
@@carpejkdiem Don't forget they ALL (DC, Military, UN...) know FE is true. I called a very large church and the associate pastor wanrned me back in 2015 because some of them know. They know. Bottom line I'm holding fast to Jesus. Peace 🕊️
@@Exodus26.13Pi Exactly 💯 % my brother!!!
@@carpejkdiem Dude!
LoL
This was actually a very informative discussion. (and I'm an atheist) Dr. Evans kept it professional without drifting into theological biases (too much). Gotta give him props for that.
Great to hear!
:)
@Pat M neanderthal DNA is just poor corrupt DNA and biased interpretation of erroneous data. How would 2 species with limited DNA information breed together anyway when now Horses and Donkeys produce sterile mules after millions of years of evolution?
@Pat M Get some rest. Take your meds. Maybe you'll have a good bm and feel better in the morning.
@@remainhumble6432 You have got to be kidding. Get educated. All humans interbred with other hominid species, thus producing our distinct characteristics. West Africans have up to 19% different DNA than the rest of us because they bred with a crypto hominid species that we actually have a bone fragment for.
You know, it's perfectly possible to be a Christian and not read every story or passage in the Bible as literal. It's perfectly fine to believe in evolution now, for the same reason that we no longer believe that the sun revolves around the Earth, even though the Bible says it does.
Hello! I really appreciate that you are making known true authentic archaeological findings. I would like to know if you have considered the supposed findings of this person Ron Wyatt his findings if true are very remarkable. Have his findings been authenticated? I would really appreciate it. I believe archaeological findings are a great message to the world. The Love of Christ Jesus ❤️✡️✝️
I'm also interested to know that!
Ron Wyatt such a miracle God gave him and he never gave up . ive watched so many of his findings and then just yesterday listened to his boys when they both went back in 2005 i think as I listened to them talk about their experiences with their father both so humble and I truly believe they are telling the truth . Ron and his boys have been persecuted and shamed by so many . im literally in tears listening to their testimony of their travels and findings .
No, Ron Wyatt appears to be a crank.
@@lilyw.719 What is your undeniable proof ?
@@jenniferbringman9054 I do not need to provide proof that Ron Wyatt is a crank. He is the one making extraordinary claims. It is incumbent upon him to prove his ideas with extraordinary evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Great idea. I can only manage to watch it at 1.5x. Thanks.
Are these available on MP3 or podcast version ?
If you download TubeMate you can download as mp3 256k and 128k.
Jesus is real. God is real
Amen!
Rofl in your head he is.
I wonder if Craig Evans has ever studied the works of BarbaraThiering?
The comment Dr Evans made several times about how the Kumran community sometimes translated the name of God using a Paleo-Hebrew script points to something. It points to mankind's tendency to resist changing an ancient sacred form. You can find this in every religious denomination and also in the oldest of religious communities. The implication though is what is so interesting. Preserving the use of an ancient script for the writing of God's name, the most sacred of all things, points toward the fact that there were scripts with that name being written during the time when Paleo-Hebrew was the normal way of writing.
Very interesting 25:36 it seems to be a written record of the last catastrophe that happened twelve thousand plus years ago. Sun nova and magnetic reversal of the earth.
40:05 & the timeline of the basket..?
How can people living today...
have neanderthal DNA
After several minutes of listening about your guest's PhD 's and authors I never heard of.....can we please hear about how this relates to the Bible?
23:00 mark
Fascinating!
. this isn’t just a philosophy, but it is the truth, and it’s reality. JESUS CHRIST is the Way and the Truth and the Life. (john 14:6). the LORD JESUS CHRIST came unto the earth in the likeness of man and HE took the lowly position of a bondservant (philippians 2:7), not to be served, but to serve, and to give HIS Life as a Ransom for many (matthew 20:28). we are not saved because of our own goodness/works, since no one is good (morally perfect), except One, that is, GOD (mark 10:18), but we are saved by the unmerited love and favor of the LORD through faith in HIM and what HE did for us alone (ephesians 2:4-5). every man is given all he needs to live a Godly life through the knowledge of the LORD (2 peter 1:3). each and every one of us must confess of our sins to the FATHER, we must repent (acts 20:21), and we must strive to live our lives all to the glory of GOD in every aspect (1 corinthians 10:31). if we confess our sins, GOD is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us of all unrighteousness (1 john 1:9). when you’re a new creation in CHRIST, old things pass away and all things become new (2 corinthians 5:17) and we receive the HOLY SPIRIT in our hearts as a seal and guarantee of what is to come (2 corinthians 1:22)! :D
@@inactiveuser555 🙄🤣🤣😂🥲🙄🤮🤮
@@sunnyla2835 please repent of all of your sins and live all to the glory of the LORD GOD Almighty alone. JESUS is LORD and HE is risen! praise GOD! ALLELUIA!
Could the Tabernacle of Moses (David) be found there in a cave? Amos 9:11
That won't be literal.
10000 years old? 13000 years old? I read that the dating methods become really unreliable beyond 5000 years old according to the latest science.
Carbon-13 dating dates to 50,000 years.
@@surfk9836 did you say carbon-13? No it doesn't. Carbon-13 is stable.
Scrolls older than ink so ...
Scrolls older than ink so ...
The fact that we only have historical records of man from about 5000 years ago if we hadn't invented carbon dating is interesting? Do we really believe that man could not read or write before 5000 years ago?
Re 4Q521: it has the words, "and the dead are raised to life", but Isaiah. 61 doesn't have these specific words. Yet, Jesus sent a message to John the B and quoted precisely these words, which in fact would have left John with no doubt about the reply of Jesus, who he was, ie the Messiah, in answer to his Q -- are you the one --- etc . Would really appreciate if you would point me to the source of this nonbiblical fragment 4Q521, which is dated to 30 years prior to the birth of J. . The implications are a bit amazing -- ie jesus then knew that some text of IS 61 incorporated these precise word. Thank you
There's a lot of textual variants in the Qumran OT texts that differ from the Masoretic text which was compiled many centuries later, given that these were from Palestine around Jesus day it's not that surprising if that was the reading or one of them when and where Jesus was.
Sign me up for the cave exploring love that stuff
How do we know for sure the basket and tower are 10,000 years old? I understand carbn dating. Asking what item was dated. Does that mean from a scholar perspective you do not believe in a young creation? Thanks
Most of the dates you hear are pure speculation. I saw a show on TV last night where a scientist was shown various fossils and geologic specimens found in a basement, and he just looked at them and stated where they were found and how many millions of years old they were. His dates were just completely made up. There was nothing scientific about his statements. He did no tests. He had no documentation concerning where these artifacts were found. It's all bunk.
@@dooglitas i have studied RD(radiometric dating) for years and have never received a good answer regarding the half-life chance (yes, there is a chance, not simply a constant value) or regarding how fossils are dated accurately (sedimentary rock around them doesn't make sense) plus there should be no c14 to date in them. No answers, just personal attacks and "it is proven" type comments.
@@rocketsurgeon1746 Everything you've said is correct. It doesn't matter to the atheists. They cling to their illogical claims and assertions. People who have no actual facts and arguments will turn to personal attacks and ridicule. It's human nature--fallen human nature.
In the 1960s, I saw the Dead Sea Scrolls in Manchester, UK. I went to see them as a class visit as a school boy.
The Dead Sea Scrolls which we saw were special as they were written on metal which was rolled up. At the time we saw them they were discussing how they could unroll the metal rolls without them being damaged. They showed pictures of very fine circular saws which they suggested they could use to cut open the scrolls in order to read them.
Does anyone know what was written on the metal scrolls and if it is displayed on the Web?
@Gary Allen Thank you, Gary.
Still waiting for that first century Mark.
Those would not be found there. The problem with that is the population and materials are different
I’m still waiting for the Rapture..
On the issue of the scrolls - Isn't it true that if a scribe made a mistake while creating a scroll that the scroll would stored away and buried - since it could not be destroyed (Because it contained the ineffable name of G.D ) That being said - what is the likelihood that many of the scrolls being found are "seconds" or mistakes made while scribes were in training or while attempting to make a Kosher / acceptable scroll ?
Seems reasonable.
What worries me especialy the bits they have to put back to gether.They can be put in any order to fit any narative.
And consider, this is not chance. God works in mysterious ways.
???? all the work is proof god never existed so why would You think God is real for? he is showing you text were changed = truth is not in them just versions of stories not linked not truth anymore after each change. it is proof the stories cannot be used as truth or history true...just SCI-FI same as today. GOD IS A CLAIM and a false one to boot unable to have evidence or proof or even attributes as claimed ones failed to be in truth...god in MATH = ZERO. God lied up places he was hiding were all exposed and he ran off to MYTH LAND where he belongs...when YOU think God is not myth it is satanism against truth itself...faith makes you a liar for it. Belief fooled you into VICTIM and a sea of victims do not change truth. ALl people ever in History that thought god was real were lying to themselves and then to others just like a computer virus. Today scifi is scifi and myth is myth...they that continue to lie god is real are recorded into history as satanist against truth itself....not mysterious at all..just plain math and sciences and HISTORY and evidence galore god is fool liar that did things like lie and fear iron chariots and want you to kill babies and kill own son if lazy and never masturbate or 6000 years of torments he had to take back...where is GOD? his own attributes say he is a lie. his own claim stands on lies proven to be lies...why does YOUR GOD stand in lies as own self? Why are YOU unable to see god as man lying when he say things like fears iron chariots? Sheep are balck and white due to trees and shade and sun beams? how do you think such a dummy god is real after that?
@Jeremy Mettler........ No God does not even pass the definition and has no attributes that work...GOD DOES NOT EXIST so YOU run to make threats that a MYTH is going to return...NO never existed can't return..DA! try to think in life...you can't show evidence god exist and you think God is a given...that is not getting even the basics.
@Jeremy Mettler being fool is all I see.
@Jeremy Mettler CLEARLY you do not understand anything
@@Peterwhitlock That's okay. You'll believe in hell when you get there.
Whether an authentic artifact or a forgery regarding this recent find, God’s will always preserves what He wants us to discover according to His timing.... PRAISE YAH!
Amen..J Smit..😉💜
TRACY PAINO! Banged his knee at Qumran 😂
Still crack jokes about it to this day
So what dose the video say about the new dead Sea scrolls, ie are they controversial and in what way. I'm not wasting time watching something without a prologue.
I see the shoe in the background named after the pagan goddess nike.
I would really like one of these guys to cover this as a topic. Great observation and the bluntness is humorous lol 😆
I question if that's the reason since there are also balls above, it seems more likely he's a sport collector
How many pairs do you have? Do you say today is Monday, Tuesday...
Those are the first Air Jordans.
@@FREDAFMK Very good point ! I am constantly finding new words and symbols that I was unaware were based off pagan gods . I don’t , however own anything nike .
Evans was coughing like he was still crawling thru a cave 😂
Nothing here but the talk about nothing.
Well, that could be from the caves. You sometimes have to wear breathing gear. Bat guano is not healthy. It stinks powerfully!
Are there any scrolls of New Testament books?
Nothing New Testament in the dead sea scrolls
Dr. Sean, why were some of the manuscripts written in Greek? (That would move the timeline forward considerably). And sheepskin, not papyrus? They appear to be Templar scrolls. And do ANY of the Hebrew manuscripts contain lettering resembling the Moabite Stone?
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From the Lexham Bible Dictionary Sampler pg. 187: “1QIsaᵃ preserves a text type that, while close to the traditional Hebrew (Masoretic) text, also contains over two dozen readings where it agrees with the early Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible (the Septuagint, or LXX) rather than the MT [Masoretic Text]. Some would assign 1QIsaᵃ to a text type distinct from those of both the MT and the LXX (Ulrich and Flint, Qumran).”
“Although the biblical scrolls from Qumran generally retain a more ancient form of Hebrew than that which was actually spoken in that day, some claim that the scribe of 1QIsaᵃ [the so-called Great Isaiah Scroll] clarified the text of Isaiah for an audience that no longer understood some classical Hebrew forms, updating and including more popular terms for a contemporary audience (Parry and Qimron, New Edition).” (in the same source. pg. 187.)
Parry and Qimron undoubtedly were guardedly referring to Dr. Solomon Zeitlin who likely “threw the baby out with the bathwater.” Professor Zeitlin got to read some of the evidence from Qumran in the years it was being discovered (1948-1956) because there are only 10-12 rather-well to quite-well preserved scrolls and many of these were published in the beginning but there’s about 900 manuscripts from Qumran and almost all of them consists of tiny, brittle fragments which were extremely slowly edited over four decades by an exclusive four-man team before they were published in 1991. And virtually no one else had access neither to the scrolls nor even to photographs of the text until they were published.
(An article from February 12, 1956 in the Jewish Telegraphic Agency (est. 1917))
Prof. Zeitlin Disputes Value of Dead Sea Scrolls for Judaism
The Dead Sea Scrolls “have no value for Judaism or the history of early Christianity” Dr. Solomon Zeitlin, professor of Rabbinic Literature at Dropsie College, said last night at a lecture here. He asserted that the scrolls are not of great antiquity, but were written in the Middle Ages by “none too literate writers and hence have no value for Judaism or early Christianity.”
Dr. Zeitlin based his argument on his study of “the internal evidence” in the scrolls. He pointed out that the spelling of various Hebrew words and terms which occur in the scrolls did not come into usage among the Jews until the Middle Ages. He also indicated that the scrolls contained references to Jewish laws which were not in vogue during the pre-Christian period but were enacted centuries later.
“If one assigned to Shakespeare the authorship of a newly-found manuscript wherein there were words like Fabian, ‘telephone’, ‘automobile’, ‘New Deal’, and reference was made to laws which were enacted in the Victorian age, would any student of English literature regard the manuscript as that of Shakespeare?,” Prof. Zeitlin asked. “Similar reasoning applies to the Dead Sea Scrolls,” he said.
Prof. Zeitlin also disputed the importance of the famous “so-called Manual of Discipline” of the Essene sect, and the Commentary on Habakkuk and the Zadokite Fragments in which the expression “Teacher of Righteousness” is held to be significant for anticipating the ministry of Jesus. “Detailed study of these scrolls show that they were written in the Middle Ages by uneducated Jews who either belonged to one of the Karaitic sects or were influenced by one of them”, he claimed.
(source: www.jta.org/1956/02/22/archive/prof-zeitlin-disputes-value-of-dead-sea-scrolls-forjudaism)
The Habakkuk Commentary (1QpHab) is carbon-14 dated as late as AD 122. It and the Community Rule (1QS) which is carbon-14 dated as late as 2 AD were found rolled together as one, packed the same way in which the Great Isaiah scroll (1QIsaᵃ) was packed. Initially upon discovery, they appeared to be two black wax or tar covered cylinders. Being sealed so kept them extremely well-preserved. The Great Isaiah scroll was first carbon dated as late as 1 AD but the scholars date it to 160-200 BC.
i figure the scribes had some old skins to use and faked the old lettering for the "Great" Isaiah Scroll (1QIsaᵃ) and then later time-capsuled it for the very purpose it's serving twodaze whirled because a comparison of the most quoted by the writers of the New Testament book, that is NT verses of Isiah (alone) to the Masoretic Text vs. the Septuagint will show how the current Hebrew text is scrubbed of Messianic verses.
The more we find, the more the atheists whine.
I'm an atheist here to whine. It doesn't matter how many texts are found as it doesn't make the claims within those text any more true. Sorry, not sorry.
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@@thevulture5750 There's really quite a few sticking points for me, but to name some of the biggest:
1)Generational Sin: The idea that everyone is born damned to hell because of something their ancestors did.
2) Infinite Punishment for finite crime: The idea that someone deserves to burn in hell forever because of a finite amount of sin.
3) Logical inconsistencies in the nature of God: For instance, if God is all powerful can he create a rock too heavy for him to lift? If God is perfect and self sustaining, why would he create humans for a relationship? That would indicate that God was somehow lacking in his nature.
4)The Christian notion of a New Covenant: This one really bothers me because it implies that morality is subjective. God commanded one thing of the Ancient Israelite and then commanded something completely different from the Gentiles. It's ironic because Christians point to the Bible as a source of objective morality yet it's clearly subjective.
A)To add to that point, interpretation of the Bible is subjective. You talk to 1,000 different Christians and you will get 1,000 different interpretations of what the scriptures mean.
5)The idea that the only stipulation for salvation is believing in Jesus and the Resurrection (accepting Jesus into your heart). This leads to situations where someone who has lived an evil life can accept Jesus as their Savior on their death bed and be rewarded eternally: Whereas someone could live a very moral life, but not believe in Jesus or believe in the wrong God, and be eternally punished. Such a system negates morality.
@@thevulture5750 Still waiting to hear back from you :)
@@thevulture5750 If you had any links in your reply it probably got auto deleted by youtube.
25:30 things happening on Earth all the time and explained as Gods judgment of wrath on us ..
They just didn't have the understanding in those days period..
Romans 1. The wrath of God is NOW being revealed. Gods wrath is already present.
How long before the public has full access or will they be hidden away for decades again?
I thought the verbage was slightly different in some of the copies and it talked about the essines, a jewish sect that believed in poverty, celibacy, fasting. John the baptist, was likely one?? As penance and sacrifice to God, he only ate unprepared food?
In discussing various translations it is fatuous to be asking "which translation?" God is quite capable of preserving His Word and seeing to it that we have exactly what He intended us to have in order to acquire saving faith. Sheesh! Get over it !
The fool has said in his heart there is no God!
Psalm 14:1
Cool show.
I have always thought of how propitious the founding of Israel and the finding of the scrolls occurring so nearly simultaneously. Knowledge is increasing.
Couldn't we get a real historian or an archeologist instead of another "biblical scholar"?
As older I get I've become less Religious and more Spiritual. I've also come to the reality that no one with real truth to himself actually knows who God is or ever was. And why should he be so secret to only a few...And the few say that they we're the chosen people (they say) but somehow God didn't tell the rest of the world to right it down... That's puzzling...
I'll just sit and wait on God to tell me himself if things are that important to him... I've also realized that God doesn't stop anything from happening (like a child walking into traffic or being eaten by a beast..storm deaths..desease...ect...)
I believe he gives us life and that's it...we make up all the rest
Hi, God told us what is important to him in the Bible and how to right the world (altough it's not that important because our goal is the eternal life, not this one), but people don't want to read it.
If God ended all suffering, he'd have to end your life and mine as well because we're all sinners. Instead, he's patient and longsuffering, giving ALL a chance to turn to him while we live. Also, people seem all too quick to blame God for injustices, and never give him credit for all the good that happens in the world.
You took the words right out of my mouth I don't think God does much intervening at all I've been thinking about that a lot recently as I'm aging I've been thinking about a lot of things pertaining to God. You seems to be very hard to find. I do think though, he will give us hints on what we should do to accomplish our goal or give us the opportunity. Perhaps inspire us to get our asses moving and try to accomplish what we're trying to do. What do you think?
The Bible is right there.
More interested in the value of what they say not the actual discovery... had to bail after 15 minutes of droning about the discovery process...
This makes me think about what type of artifacts are we leaving behind today ( if any )...How many photographs of ancient documents like these are not written on physical media? What about many many sermons? Everything is digital. While I am sure there are efforts to retain and backup some things, those efforts probably do not reach into the common home or local community ...and even then are not ready for longer term archival
(Over 30+ years). Are we creating a vaccume of no human history by our actions today? Whats the solution?
It does not matter . When The LORD comes and makes a new earth and new heavens why will it matter ?
This generation is so wicked it was already foretold why would JESUS CHRIST want any remembrance of it when HE comes to reign
I wonder what Craig thinks of John allegro
Blessed intelligence, inspired conversation.
The scrolls Hobby Lobby bought were fake. The scrolls should be analyzed by independent professionals.
Yay, Matt in the Chat!