AI Expansion Triggers HAVE BEEN SOLVED!! - Anno 1800
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Thanks to Banan and Acidello on the Anno 1800 Wiki, we finally know how AI characters are triggered to go to other regions! At long last, the mystery of AI expansion is solved! Hopefully this guide provides some insight in to their behavior for you and you can plan accordingly! For more tips, check out the channel!
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One MINOR correction... I said the AI will go to the Cape when they BUILD a hospital but it is when they UNLOCK the hospital (around 35 artisan homes and if you see them with a cannery/sewing machine factory).
So what I understand it's don't matter what player do, even player limited to worker and not upgrade Artisans, a.i with 2 star level at least will go to expansion
on their own, even build hospital and artisan even player had not touch artisan and hospital, correct? If so, then it's mostly not up to player at all in this case? Ok, I guess a.i expansion to cape on a.i's terms, not on player's term, that's disappointed, I wish to control on my term, not on a.i player (star 2), Only thing good is arctic where human player can control a.i expansion, but not rest of other world map.
@@2009Wanderer If u want that control then use 1-star AI. There is only really 2 things that make the diffrent star AI harder then the other and thats there insane amount of defensive cannons they build and there expansion speed so the player simply cant take 4 hours to get to the new world and expect to have the best islands still available. The AI ships can be abit annoying at first but once u get your weapons production up and running its not that hard to control the sea even against a 3star AI. Attacking there islands is the annoying part with there insane cannon tower spam.
Dude, your Anno series are 💰💰💰!!! Every question i have about the game, there’s a vid from you holding my hand. Honestly, i believe you either work for the devs, or they just call you for ideas and development directions. Thank you very much !!!
Really great video @Taka - so many people have asked this question for 2 years :)
I was curious about this, thanks for clarifying.
Nice, you followed up on my request. Thanks! Now just need to come up with the most efficient strategy to expand :)
I thought there were triggers of sort in the game against the AI. Thanks for the confirmation and what they are. I also find that if I play with all advanced (3 or 4 star) AI that they are typically busy against each other long enough for me to advance.
Super helpful video! Tysm!
You're so welcome!
Thanks man! Awesome to know.
Liked the video short and informative
Thanks for the info.
I just wanted to add to this because I’ve done a couple of multiplayer games where we restarted since we were first learning the game. We played with 2 players and 2, 2-star AI over 3 games and they ignore any restrictions on the artic.
Between 3 playthroughs when we reached engineers and completed the artic expeditions, the AI had colonized almost every usable boat docking island in the artic. We focused primarily on the other regions and didn’t reach higher tiers as fast, and the AI was already housing investors.
Late reply, but in the arctic, the AI expansion trigger gets disabled in MP. The AI will only wait upon the player in SP, but in MP, they'll build there straight away.
I'm a slow player so my strategy to simply build a massive economy in the Old World, get a fleet, and take my favorite island along the northern part of the New World xD Take that early progress AI, my island now :P
Can't build a massive economy really without the resources from the New World - the term 'massive' is relative though I guess.
How do you manage that without losing tons of transport ships everywhere once a war starts though?
Rare times I've tested going to war, I've found I was severly punished by the massive escorts and defense turrets of competitors.
Had to wait until very late game, when I could finally wage a huge ass fleet and massive war in 4 regions at a time, with plenty of free cargos everywhere to replace the lost ones afterwards... But it was gruesome still ^^
Before that I would take islands by shares, and slowly building up diplomacy relation... Long and tedious.
@@madzangels Of course you can. Just do big cities and fill beer, bread, sausages and canned food. Later buy shares from competitors. You can easily maintain 20 ship fleet without having any island in a new world on medium difficulty and all 3 stars competitors.
Actually now I always do this strategy: I set up my old world chains, then getting a fleet and then taking what I want, not what is left. There is no point to be first in a new world because without naval power AI will freeze your trade routes after first war declaration. You still need to take care of naval power first, unless you like to test your luck and depend on AI's good will.
@@justalonesoul5825 Key lies in taking proper islands which are in a cluster next to your main. You kind of making proper corridor with your islands just right to the edge of the new world (by being first to colonize or by brutal power, whatever it takes). Then you build some costal defenses so there are very few unprotected gaps, which then you can cover with some patrolling ships. There is no other way to secure your trade routes properly. Actually I care about diplomacy only before I get my first few ships of the line, later diplomacy is very situational and optional. Being at war is actually very profitable item vise.
Waw. TYVM for those explanations. To me, the gap from 1-star to 2-star AIs is just much too big, that's a bit harsh. There should be something in-between, or it just feels like you have to utterly rush for much too specifics things, leaving little to no time for messing around, specially with both Enbesa and NW to cover :S
The rate of expansion of 2* is really quite impressive to me. If only I could build AND supply that fast ^^
EDIT : turns out that with "reduced speed" that came after update 10, I actually can :D
Hallelujah
I kinda play my Anno 1800 sessions in a roleplay mode type of way. So I am building the old and new world slowly first but the pressure of knowing I might be too late in enbesa and nature is already destroyed and taken by AI makes me feel anxious but I don't want to start the DLC quests yet or hurry up and rush the dlc story. This disencouraged me to play for months now. :(
I understand how you felt, I would love to had a.i in the game but same time I don't want a.i settlement everywhere, I wish to control or limited, no settlement on small island, to keep nature without settlement, so go on. But don't be discourage, you could turn off a.i player. I don't worry about pirate a.i and trader a.i, it's stay where it was on island.
I totally feel you ; I think I either need to watch more hours of tutorial to properly compete with just the 2-stars already ; or that there should be something between 1-star AI asking for permission and being all weak, and 2-star AIs settling everywhere before you in all regions before you "move a finger". When it's both Enbesa, NW and CF it's just oeverwhelming.
I'd hope they would be limited in each region by you starting the expedition leading there at minimum, I guess. Or ressembling the Arctic. They simply expand too quickly for me and when I look at their islands I'm shocked. 3-4 regions at the same time looks simply too much, or I'd need a *1/4 - *1/8 speed!
I had no idea the AI could take crown falls, only found this out the other day. Def gonna let them take it cuz I wanna see how they utilize that island
I had it happen once via attack.
Crown Falls is over done by human players, let's see from the AI next!
I'm a fairly new player, spent a lot of time in the tutorial, so recently rolled an AI campaign:
Gasparov, Carl and Bente. They beat me to the New World, that's fine, not by much, I got good islands. I kept going for rewards on the way to Enbesa, so they beat me there too, Carl had the best islands, but it could have been worse. I finally limp my way into Cape Trelawney.....it's empty. No-one's here. This feels like a trap. I'm sending my boats over to take ALL the good ones!!
Yeah i have noticed that to for the Cape region. They must have made some changes that restricts any AI from entering that region before u do. The moment i did enter it toke 4-5min before the first AI showed up.
Thank you so much for this video really helped answer all the questions i was wondering about. good to know I'm safe to go at my own pace with 1 star AI.
Oh bummer, i plan of finishing the main story before going to dlc region...
Having the worst time with my last two attempts. First attempt was getting to know 1800 since I just bought it. Bit of a mess early on, didn't go too many hours, deleted and tried over. Second, got through the campaign, more than a few regions opened, etc, still messy and after deciding to watch video (especially yours), deleted and restarted. That's when my trouble started. Followed a guy's guide to the letter, but early on the money simply shit the bit because I was also doing the campaign. Too much needed in the campaign I did too early basically. Deleted, restarted.
Fourth attempt . . . ugh, took over a few islands very early so I could keep them for myself. One AI got pissed, declared war, ended my playthrough almost immediately by obliterating me from the map.
I was dismayed to find that in the second attempt the one AI had airships very early. They took over practically everything right off the bat. I like the campaign, but getting the hang of it is trying my patience. That's saying something for an Anno-style game! lol
I wonder if there a way to change difficulty settings on different AI personalities. Like to play with only one stars, but there being only three of them makes it hella repeatable.
I got to the new world and CT before Hugo my only ai I was quite surprised by it
well hugo dont need nw until engineers, he uses other build progression... like no police, no fire station, no hospitals, no luxuries... he dont need fur coats to advance to engineers
Funny thing, he dont build luxuries but he build banks anyway....
Have they made changes to this after the video? In my recent save i spend ages were talking 12-15hours easily before going to the Cape vs 2 2star AI and honestly was expecting alot to be taken but they werent even there. I have mods installed but nothing that effects the AI.
Thx to ubi for this beautifull game, best ive played in my life
how to set free camera like first clip? i couldnt do that
can you explain the issue with people like me who have the game bought and installed on steam. when we try to buy DLC it does not pair up and we get crashes.
So when do they expand in the old world (original island cluster)? Right away or is there a delay there too?
Each AI has a different timer... the easy AI wait until you do at first, but like Margaret Hunt is about 20 minutes no matter what.
This might be a little late but here goes:
Is there a breakdown to triggers of drops (ship drops). I played a game with 3 1-stars & i didn't find a SINGLE legendary from Anne. I was keeping to late-artisans & so were NPCs, she was perfectly blockaded & all i was getting was rum, weap's & some whites/greens.
With 3 3-stars, i start getting leggo's by the time I'm mid artisan, but 3-stars are all at late engi at that time.
I think I remember seeing a specific difficulty option for the pirates in the pre-game settings. Maybe this is what affects their drops. For competitors it's definitely their number of star which affects a lot, then I havent sunk many ships before everyone had engi or investors either.
@@justalonesoul5825 Naah, it "IS" based off of highest civ-level of any of the players (me+3). I farmed pirates at 750 artisans static with lvl 3 AI going full investor. Pirates were dropping legendaries, albeit slow (maybe my own civ-level & tourism-attractiveness weighs it)
This is awesome! I cover Anno on my channel as well. This is cool and something I didnt know yet.
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me never plays with AI rivals
also me watching a vid about AI rivals 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thanks ! Although, i have a question. Does the 3 star AI`s cheat ? Because i have a single player sandbox, where Alonso was trying trying to settle, two times already early game. When he does not had any steel chain built up, and i bought up all steel beams from Mr. Farting. Also, he had a ship item with +10% damage, so it was really hard to fight off his flagship. I was lucky since i bought another flagship , and finally killed his first attempt. Mr.Farting was very close to the island where he wanted to expand.
I've wondered about this as well... I don't want to do the math and really check because I'm lazy and my math is bad. So if someone were to to find out I'd be grateful.
@@maxkorsbackful Well some of my friends played a 2v2 against 3 star AI. They blockaded her last island. Yet she pumped out ships like no tomorrow. Of course, it`s not a huge evidence but it is what it is.
A common strategy used in RTS A.I to make it harder to beat is to cheat....several games does this....generally speaking, the game mode considered ''normal'' is when the A.I will play at the 1:1 scenario with you.
In ''hard mode'' usually A.I have advantages....its like that in Civ games, Command and conquer and several others.
@@aldrich2825 yeah, my RTS geek buddy of mine told me the same thing. Well, sadly the A.I. in this game is not so good to fight against. I mean boring, and easy. And too bad that all maps are for 4 player total only, and the game engine itself as well.
@@thesoloenone8245 Take civ 5 for instance....if you have it on steam you can see it for yourself. When you play the ''harder'' difficulties, the game directly tells you the A.I will have advantages in production multiplier. There is only so much they can simulate a easy/normal/hard A.I in programming on what action they will mostly take. If they improve the ''action'' only of the hard A.I, it will come to a point where it would start acting like it could see it through the fog of war and non explored parts of map...making the absolute best/optimal decision....but that would leave a bad taste in the player base mouth because if the A.I manage to counter your every move, the game becomes hugely unfair and boring, hence no one would waste time playing it....so they pick lesser ways of making it hard, but not impossible. There are some games that you can choose for the A.I to behave like that...civ 5 for instance in the most difficult A.I, it does act it like it has vision on the entire map....as well a 3x production multiplier.
I know that easy AI need my permission to settle on Old World Islands, but, what about New World, Enbesa, etc? After I get there, the easy ai will still ask me if they can settle there?
Yes, they will.
"easy AI need my permission to settle" careful in one of my gameplays (perhaps changed it was more than a year ago) i only had the 3 easy AIs, and they asked me I used to say "no", after many many hours of gameplay I noticed Bente started to settle without permission, i thought it was my mistake but started to happen 2,3-4 times.
@@FermiToll This happened to me a few months ago. I'm getting back to the game now and I don't know if this has been fixed or if this is really how it should work. It sucks having to kill them as they spread quickly across the map.
@@alex.wallau Wow! good to know i am not crazy and the only one, bad is not fixed, since it has to pass too many hours to check i prefer to not take chances since i just like to turtle chill out and take my time and play without any of them, a pity at least one would make my game more interesting.
Can we get your save game :(
Maybe...
Banan Awesome??? You drunk????????
Maybe...
For an annoholic it‘s no Problem to claim all the islands in the new world, cape trelawny and enbesa before the AI Even reaches these sessions
If they find no islands they take the schooner back to the old world.
But they will only advance to artisans (except hugo) if they have only islands in the old world
well to claim ALL before the ai reach the session i highly disagree, influence is a bitch and if your rush those sessions as soon as you unlock them you should have 200 as much playing on high influence assuming you only have your starter island on the ow.
Maaaaybe you can settle all the nw, but no all in cape and enbesa as well on early game, influence was made to undermine that land snatching tactic
I don't care if they take all island I take my 15 battle cruisers and levels them up
I would like to note that this is correct but also false when talking about 1 star AI . 1 star Ai will not leave the old world until you have 1 engine home. I spent over 20 hours at this stage solo in new world and besa within 10 mins of upgrading they popped up in both regions i had already been in for a few days. So while they won't go until you do yes but they also won't go till you hit mid end game stage you can take your sweet time in both those region as long as you didn't pass artisan stage and only have 1 star ai's
That is coincidental to your game but not how they are coded. This was all confirmed with the developers.
You should realy STOP auto translate titles !