3 Course Strategies to Consistently Break 85
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true story, watched this this morning, randomly showing up on my feed, i employed these principles today and just shot my first ever under par round, no shit, just subscribed
Holy crap! Amazing! Glad it helped.
Nice Playing @starfish08 🎉🎉🎉🎉how great is that? Just saw this super pumped for you. Need to get you to send me a video so we can post it up here.
Stumbled on your channel. Hallelujah!! Real information, pragmatic, informative and no nonsense!!! Finally!! How to score, how to manage the course!! Love it!! Thank you!!!!!!!!
So great to hear how much you like it.
great video
I’m a high handicapper who goes around in about 95-100 on a reasonable day. I’m going to use these strategies, perhaps not to break 85, but to start off getting somewhere near 90 consistently. I can see from this video where I’m leaking some of my shots. Thanks for the tips
Facts. I tried this yesterday eve PW vs LW with 4 balls. One shot w the LW was pure ... medium flight two hop stopper 6 inches from the hole. The kinda shot you tell your friends about. One was a whiff UNDER the ball, one was within 4 feet of the hole and one thin and 20 feet past. PW: 2 were left 3 feet from hole, one thin was 7 feet and the other a tad heavy and short about 8 feet short but uphill. Lesson... PW all day long unless i have to use loft to get over trouble. Loft is not your friend when there's green to work with.
Great video and advice! Thanks.
Excellent advice! Thank you! I’m definitely going to employee these techniques.
Best of luck! Be sure to keep me informed on how it’s coming along. Hope the scores are dropping.
Well done Will! Great lively, fun videos mixed with eye catching graphics and subtle music! This channel is going to take off like a rocket! Keep up the great work mate! Liked and subscribed!
Thanks so much!
Only just seen this comment. Thank you so much for the amazingly kind words having a lot of fun sharing my passion for coaching. Let me know what the content videos you’d like to see.
Excellent video, you have a great way of explaining things!
Glad it was helpful!
You re much needed and easy to watch !
Thank you for the kind words.
Great video and so practical. Love the idea of getting to where “you” want to be so that you can figure how out how best to approach the rest of the hole. I rarely see people scoping out specific areas, usually they only the scope the pin.
Pays off to take the time and be strategic with your target and club choice.
Really please you’re enjoying these videos. Be sure to keep watching and let me know if there’s any specific content you’d like us to create.
great job! adding this to my course management playlist!
Glad to hear you liked it.
Really good course mgmt/strategy tips. I very much liked the way you showed to get your average short game dispersion.
Glad it was helpful!
Isn’t it a great one? I love it because then you can use your own data to make decisions not have some random Pro tell you what to do from around the Green show yourself what works best for you?
My scrambling/recovery shots are a strong suit in my game. Reason being I didn’t play smart for years and developed the skills to get out of trouble. Now that I play smart I can not worry about getting in trouble here and there.
So true right it’s amazing how when we get in trouble, we narrow our focus because we only have one option and we execute the shop yet we can stand in the fairway with the perfect yardage, overthink it, and hit the worst shot of the month.
Great video. Thanks for the content/advice.
Glad it was helpful!
What are the contact would you like to see? How can we help you achieve your golfing goals
Great video!
New golfer here. You got a new sub. Most refreshing and honest take on golf. Great video!
So pleased you like the content.
I just went through all the PGA tour numbers and charted them up etc. Everything you said was exactly right. There are only about 10 more lessons you could give using these numbers.
@paulwilsom6511 really please enjoy the video. What are the lessons would you like me to put together always looking for content that answers the questions of my followers.
@@thescoringmethodI can give you a long list. Maybe just do one video on each one. The vast majority of golfers are not going to be that interested in these stats/lessons/rules. But there are many, many golfers that are craving to see this info. You could develop a big following doing each one, just one at a time as a series. Some you have done already but here's my long list.
- from 100 to 55 yards out, approach shots are basically the same distance from the hole at 18 feet. Don't try hero shots extending a 100 yard approach into a 55 yard one. Hit the fairway instead. It is the same result from 100 yards to 55 yards.
- Fairway shots from 100 yards are more accurate than 55 yard shots from the rough. Average fairway distance from 100 yards on the fairway is 15 feet from the hole but it is 20 feet from the rough at 55 yards.
- Long Par3's and long approach shots, inaccuracy means just aim to the middle of green. Flag-hunting and laser shooting is a fools errand.
- Average green size is 38 feet from the centre. You have room to hit the green but still be 38 feet from centre. Approach shots from 175 yards are 38 feet away so target is always just the middle of the green. For smaller greens, even 150 yards out means target centre only since since average dispersion is 25 feet from the hole, about the size of small green courses.
- 2-3 foot putts are close to guaranteed, 5 foot make percentage is only 75%, 8 feet is 50%, 12 feet is 25%, 20 feet is 10%.
- Bear down hard on the putts within 12 feet then because this is where you actually have a chance to make the putt. Read it hard, make sure it is one foot by weight. But outside 15 feet is just get it inside 3 foot circle for the close to guaranteed. Weight is 10 times more important than line from this distance. Bear down hard on the inside 12 footers but get the weight right outside 12 feet.
- Average approach shot from 100 yard to 55 yards is 18 feet away with only a 10%-15% make rate. Birdies are accidents where you pulled or pushed the shot.
- Because missing the green on your approach shot costs you an average 0.35 shots more. 60 foot putts are just as accurate as 30 foot chips.
- On Par5's go for the green on shot2 or get itas close to the green as you can. Lay-ups on Par5's cost you 0.6 extra shots. 0.6 shots is a huge differential, one of the largest differentials. No lay-ups but exceptions for water, trees, OB type penalty/risks but go for the green.
- Par4's, hit the fairway and 100 yard to 55 yard are the same result anyway so just get it inside 100 yards as the first goal, inside 55 yards on the fairway is 2nd goal if you hit it far or the hole is short.
- Short game inside 30 yards is where the most strokes are saved by good shots versus poor shots. This is the yardage that makes the most difference in the game. Short game inside 30 yards is by far the most important part of golf towards scoring (the slope of the shots taken line is the most steep on a chart which means this is the most important part of the game). This applies to both putting and chipping.
- Fairway shots are very consistently much closer to the hole than rough or bunker shots.
- Except green-side bunker shots are more accurate than chip shots from the rough. Green-side bunkers are not that bad.
- But outside 200 yards, rough and bunker shots are so inaccurate, it is not worth going for the green at all. Lay-up to inside 40 yards on the fairway which results in lower scores.
- 160 yard fairway shot has the same accuracy as a 100 yard rough shot. Fairways are king once again. Bomb and gouge is actually not true according to the numbers.
- Bunker shots from 110 yard to 80 yards are actually worse than a 150 yard bunker shot. Avoid the mid-distance bunkers at all costs.
- On Par5's avoid all bunkers (except greenside) because you have to lay-up (costing you 0.6 strokes) and especially avoid the 110 yard to 50 yard ones.
- From 130 yards out, fairway shots are 14 feet closer than rough shots and 20 feet closer than bunker shots. Almost a stroke really according to the putting numbers.
- Dispersion pattern from 40 yards is 12 feet from hole. Fairway is 10 feet, rough is 15 feet so flag-hunting is now okay and get your shots close to green as you can if you can. 100 yard to 55 yard is the same more-or-less but 40 yards is now considerably better.
- Shots from 150 yards out / dispersion pattern just doesn't give you enough room for any flag-hunting. Just centre of the green. Missing the green costs you 0.35 shots.
I really like your vids when you are giving a lesson based on the stats.
Very practical advise
Bob, thank you my man keep us updated on how it’s coming along. Look forward to hearing about Lois scores here real soon.
Go watch Rick Shiels. He lasers flag (i.e. 177y), pulls out a 7i (which he once hit 180 on a simulator) and hits a 162y high fade which plugs into the bunker. 😃
😂 oh I just put a huge smile on my face that’s like most of my students they once hit it 190 or the sixth side, so why not pull it out every hole when I’m at 190.
Stopped watching RS simply because he's not very good with advice and his constant negativity.
This was actually some good advice. I had been looking for more strategy/course management videos on CZcams because these are the easiest to incorporate into my own game. There are already too many technique videos that present so many pointers that are impossible to remember unless you're watching the video while at the golf course.
With better strategy you can definitely shoot lower scores with the swing you have today.
Randomly reading comments. If you can handle sacrilege and sarcasm as humor, then I strongly advise the Golf Sidekick. He does give a very minor amount of technique, but mostly mental and course strategies. Check out the sacred lectures. Cheers!
Awesome video. Loved the clarity of the quadrant approach to the green!
Glad it was helpful! Try it out next time you at the course and let us know how it goes.
I actually played today and tried it out! Ironically found myself in more bunkers than usual (new course to me) but had much more makeable chips/up and down chances. I'll try it on my home course next. Usually I more just pick a side to "miss" to and then whether I want to be front/middle/back of the green.@@thescoringmethod
I’m glad to hear you’re able to Yucett keep us up-to-date on how the score is coming
Sir where have you been all of my life! Amazingly accurate information! Thank you- new subscriber
Welcome aboard! So great to hear you find the content so valuable.
The 4 quadrants method is brilliant thanks!
Thank you!
Love this!! I'm scratch and I got a lot out of this video. Sending it to all my biddies who shoot in the 90s
Love it! Hopefully it helps them break 90 a bit more!
Really helpful video. Awesome content.
Glad it was helpful! What would you like more of Jimmy ?
I would love to see a video on the 40-50, and 70 to 100 yard shots approach suggestions like you did with the 130 and by the green shots. I struggle from 100 and in.
Thankyou for some valuable advice.
Glad it was helpful!
My pleasure it is just so much fun to be out there creating content and getting all these amazing comments just wants me to get up there and make more. Please let me know if there are specific things you’d like to know more about to help you achieve your goals.
Excellent advice. I just subscribed.
Thank you so much for subscribing! I'm glad you found the advice helpful.
This was great, thanks.
Two thoughts:
1) Can you go out with a high handicapper, get them to hit the shot they would; then give them another ball and advise them on how you would approach it, and get them to hit that shot? I would volunteer my high handicap services if I was closer haha.
2) The green target selection was really helpful. More examples of this on different greens would be really helpful!
Thanks again!
Thanks again!
Great idea! We'll definitely do that.
Where do you play golf lets get you out to film your skills.
So helpful
Glad you think so!
If my opponent pulls out a lob wedge when he's just off the green I know I will win the hole. Honestly, I don't know how this pernicious practice ever took root.
It’s true you can see a golfer who has actually been taught how to score versus a golfer who’s just been taught how to swing their scoring IQ and club selection, ruins, their score not their skills and Technique.
Your opponent is phil mickelson
Long par 4,s ( don’t try and leather a hybrid or smash a 5 wood) hoping to get there !
Trying to break 85, hit a relaxed normal tempo 6 iron to the apron.
If you op and down ( great) if u go ou don’t and make a bogey ( that’s also great)
Nice tips. My aim for 2024 is breaking 85... I realize now that the mental trick I've been applying for years (play the course shot by shot, and always think my next shot will be fabulous) may be good to keep up morale, but also leads to shots that are too risky. Worked fine to break 90, but unless I have an excellent scrambling or driving day, it kept me stuck in the high 80's. Now it's time to get serious about avoiding mistakes. First attempt on a soft and muddy 9 holes home course I ended up 5 above par, just by adopting my course management to avoid any double bogeys. True, I have a new driver too after 10 years with more foregiveness, so that contributed too, but the mindset is different: instead of feeling that I would play a long iron for a GIR fabulous, I just played a shorter (more go to club) iron shorter but on average more accurate. A fabulously flushed shot is a good feeling with any club. I like were this is going.
Great insight! Thanks for sharing and glad it helped. Avoiding blow up holes is huge for you to accomplish your goal!
Totally agree.... basically, use whatever club keeps you in the fairway....and whatever club gives you the best approach shot on to the green and/or close. On fringe shots where I can use the putter gives mw more control and/or 8i for a bump and run. I two put more often then. Wedges are a hit or miss. 😉
Were you able to check out the wedge video I put together hopefully that’ll help you to get some good distances and saves some strokes
Played in a national scramble and we missed winning the regional event by 0.15 shots. We lost it with a simple, uphill 40 foot chip where all three players used a lob wedge - two fat, one skinny, then took us two putts for a bogey. I bump and run a 7-iron, or putt if suitable. TSM offers great advice for all players.
Congrats on runner up you and you learned a lot which is the most important.
I've learned that the hybrid is the shot for me from around the green. Sometimes I hit it too far, but I've never chunked a hybrid and left it still off the green!
Love that! Glad to here you've been doing the testing and proving to yourself what's the best shot for you.
That si the truth and yes so true less pressure and better shots
Brilliant video. Thanks. Just discovered on CZcams, will now be checking out the back catalogue 😂
Appreciate the comment!! Hope some of the other past vids help as well.
Playing to my misses and aiming for safety instead of the pin has helped my scoring a ton
That is so great to hear and knowing that Jack, Nicholas’s dad work with him to hit the middle of every Green makes me think that it probably works pretty well
Conservative strategy, cocky swing
It's easy to understand the concept when you play a really challenging course and conversely easy to go away from it when you play just an average course.
Tried to tomahawk my lobwedge into the lake but missed, do you think I used too much forearm rotation?
100%. Maybe the Hammer throw would be the proper choice.
@thescoringmethod I just don't like to draw attention to myself with the "hammer throw" war cry
Too much Supra-nation and not enough lower body using ground forces😂
@@robertcourt8593 stick with the classy club toss instead
Loved this video! I really appreciated that you didn't just say "NEVER do X or ALWAYS do Y" but you gave us hackers a process to figure out what is most effective for each individual. Definitely gonna test this out on the course soon.
Thank Kev!!! Let me know how it helps your score
You're so welcome! Thank you so much for the kind words Kevin be sure to let me know any other videos you’d like us to create to help you lower scores.
Excellent tips. Definitely going to be using my laser/GPS more than just the distance to the flag.
Happy to hear that! So important to start understanding how to strategically make your way around the golf course.
I always bump and run from near the green or even further out if the lie is tight. My go to club for the is the 8 iron. I only try to pitch if there is nice fluffy grass under the ball.
Great strategy! Simple conservative chips that set up an easy 2 putt are key. Don't play risky shots that can lead to double bogeys!
🎉 Thanks going to try the PW chipping
Also try the 7 iron for the longer shots and hybrid from the fringe
I will say I love using a 52° for short chips, 8 iron bump and run when I’m short of the green in the fairway
Two tools are better than one maybe try adding the hybrid as a 3rd.
My WHS Index is just under 21. "Breaking 85" has been a great series of videos, thank you! By clubbing up, playing to safe targets & improving my long 1st putt accuracy, I'm consistently hitting closer to 90, with accusations of banditry😂. I'm sticking at this until I get below 85👍 and owe you a 🍻
Simon that’s just awesome my man I’ve only just seen these comments wasn’t sure how to find them in CZcams I know that sounds bad but my focus is on creating content and coaching. Didn’t realize I was getting so many great comments would love to see what are the videos you’d like us to make and make sure to keep us updated on when you break 85.
@@thescoringmethod Update: I've just returned from a 1 week coaching trip organised by Goodwood. Of course, the tee, range and sand lessons were amazing and helped fixed some weaknesses in my game. However, the shared insight from our pros was eye-opening. They both reiterated decision-making (taking my medicine, clubbing up to address my failed approach shots, less use of driver off the tee etc), but my biggest takeaway: stop putting so many cards in!!🥴🥴 Why? Because I need to take more time practicing shots on the course regardless of outcome. Time will tell!
uuum.. when you step off distances you need to factor foot size vs gait distance. each stride will be nearly 3ft on avg, regardless of which ‘somatotype’ a person is (endo/meso/ecto). so stepping off putt distances is more heel-toe than full strides; but oc you may disagree.
That makes sense. I think if players can get it with in 20% accuracy that works just fine. As long as they don’t start telling fish stories I HIT THIS CLOSE!!!
Great, practical advice. When you were green side chipping, without a putter, I was all set to disagree. You then mentioned trying hybrid and putter as well. For golfers who never practice chipping - you know who you are - putter and hybrid are relatively easy clubs to not epically fail at. The same can not be said of lob and sand wedge with zero practice.
Definitely recommend testing the hybrid and putter. Most golfers should be pulling out those options before a lob wedge.
Excellent course management video! I promise to try to do this this year😂. I guess this is what they mean by that silly phrase 'playing within yourself'😂 Thanks!
Thank you so much for the wonderful comment. Have you been able to put into play yet? Hope it’s gonna bring you some low scores.
New fan of the channel after the intro
Is a Bump-and-Run easier on nicer greens? I find my home track has enough spike marks and stray blades of grass that the roll-out dies too quickly.
Still probably gonna be way less punishing on a mishit
That’s a great comment. You have to pick the shop that you believe can get to the Whole, the closest, the most consistently and sometimes it really slow greens. The solution might be to pitch it back there if you’re a better golfer.
Surely though , if you are half decent out of bunkers then you don’t have to fear them that much. It might mean a bogey maybe , if you know you usually get out first time and up to 10 feet from the hole. Yes , staying out of the water is much more important , but one answer would be to improve our bunker play? Sometimes I play to avoid a bunker and end up in three putt territory , and some bunkers are more dangerous than others.
Video in the work and on its way
That’s a great point I think the thing about the three pet though is it still allows you to make the bogey. Where is the bunker can lead to even higher scores. But being able to have a basic pit shot out of the bunker with the right set up and get out first time is definitely a key step to consistently to breaking 85
@@thescoringmethod Yes , I see. A lot depends on your skill set. I've always felt ok out of bunkers and getting out first time to somewhere around 10-20 feet or maybe better. But yes , I do try to avoid them and I would sooner be on the green. And you can get a horrible lie or bad stance in a bunker. suppose much depends on whether you have "bunker fear " or not. Everyone has their thing , for me its tight lies. If I feel I can get a club under the ball ( even thick rough) then I'm ok.
These are great tips. The lead in is funny. There is one problem though. When playing in a group or a busy golf course it slows down overall play and lengthens rounds. Great if you are playing when no one around.
I think when you learn it yes it does take more time but the next thing you know it just becomes a natural instinct and you’re able to speed up play because you’re taking less shots
Best part of this advice is no swing changes required, no skill changes required, no lessons required
Carey is to start to understand how to take the big numbers off the scorecard and that means put the ball and play not fixing the slice. Just never taking the driver out. Not hitting flock shots around the green hitting hybrid chips and making sure you get the practice screen before you play and work on putting pace and short putts so you avoid the three putts. I see that most people believe that they need to work on their skill sets, rather than just their scoring.
Average is ok to use but better to use 90% CI method, it reduces the skew from outer extremities and gives a more accurate reflection
I love the advice in this video. I’m going to subscribe. One thing tho, that’s not how you find average.
Jason, give me a thought and feedback when you say that’s not how you find your average could you give more insights on that?
I missed it at first too. He's counting in yards, but wants the result in feet. Hence a multiplication by 3 to change units, prior to the division by 3 for the average (effectively cancelling each other out) 🤓
He is PGA, glad I found this
Keep washing Steve lots of more content to come always appreciate the comments
Is this the 18th at Dark Horse?
You got it!
The problem with the hammer throw is trying to retrieve it out of a tree.
By the way, great video.
You want it to stay up there that’s true PGA Pro skills
Glad you like the video and sometimes you don’t wanna get it back out of the tree that is just needs to stay there
This is money….thank you
Thanks!
You gotta first be able to hit it where you're aiming too.
With in reason. I would say you need to know how avoid the trouble by being able to miss it where you can score. As you get better you get to hit it where you want more often but still start with where you can’t go.
Hahahahhaa yes brother. It’s hard to make a gameplan around an incinsittent swing
Surely its 27 divided by 3 ? Equals 9 , if you add all three you must divide by three for an average ..
Yes and no. So 27 paces times by 3 to make feet then dived by 3 as you have 3 golf balls = 27 they cancel each other out
Now i regret why i didn't watch t
You before i played earlier.
Well, you’ve seen it now she ready for your next round
For most high handicappers all those chips should have been puts.
That is a really great point if you have the opportunity to put it always put it. If not, then take the hybrid if you can’t take the hybrid, then use the bump and run chip. If you can’t ship it then use the pitch if you can’t pitch it, then lob it, but most people just go straight to the lob wedge and the basic fringe part or chip into a difficult shot. Really appreciate the comment.
The only strategy for me to shoot 85 is to only play 9 holes.
Great video. I started using the "rule of 12" for chipping and my game around the green has changed a TON... and its mostly because I started chipping with a lot of other clubs besides the 60 degree... thus learning MY OWN GAME. Rule of 12 video: czcams.com/video/VONGHt3HBoo/video.html
Excellent video. But you might want to go ahead and nix the "go ahead"s : )
Hey, I love the honest feedback it’s funny sometimes how we don’t know that we’re repeating ourselves over and over only when someone’s honest enough to give you a good critique that helps
😂👌🏼💥
Great glad it’s bringing you a smile. Hope it also helps you to shoot lower scores.
I always tell people that suck, to move up a set of tees 😂
Honestly most people should move up a set of tees.
Take your 5 iron carry distance * 36 and that distance should be what tees you play from.
@@thescoringmethodwish I could get my weekend Golf Group to understand this!!!😢 everybody wants to hit from 'the tips'! Stupid and it makes the game less enjoyable😢
I’m definitely ‘the English tosser’…
Make more par's.
I love more pars but that’s to be single digits. To break 85 it’s about getting rid of blow up holes.
Trust me i know about blow up holes. In 2011 I was leading my club championship after the first round at even. Day 2 standing on the 13th tee tied for the lead. 345 yd par 4, needless to say i end up with a 9 on the hole, really bad decisions for the entire hole.
I'd offer a slight amendment to the 3-ball average trick; try to ignore the previous shot's finish so you don't learn from it. You don't get 2 mulligans in real life 😆
When you start using this you realise how many good shots are miss hits!
Lower scores in Golf is all about good misses.
Sneaky good advice
Uhm, at 4:41, half of that green quadrant is NOT on the green, 50% of shots to that green area will be in the rough. Aim for the fattest part of the green closest to the flag. In this case, the middle of the green. That green quadrant would fit nicely on the green itself. Go for the middle.
Agree in someway but it really depends on the persons dispersion if they’re missing the ball 20 to 30 yards off of their intended target then I would suggest if there’s a water hazard 15 yards left of the flag they would need to aim 15 yards right of the flag, which may put them off the green, but is better than being in the water. What are your thoughts?
Good video, bad math
Thanks for the comment. Let me know where I messed up on my math not only am I dyslexic i’m probably also pretty bad at math, but I feel like I’m a decent coach.
I missed it at first too. He's counting in yards, but wants the result in feet. Hence a multiplication by 3 to change units, prior to the division by 3 for the average (effectively cancelling each other out)
Funny that you had to duff it on purpose to "prove" your point.
Not saying the point is not valid though. But it was very obvious...
Trust me, I have duffed it before in pressure situations in tournaments oral human.