You'd see 17s on some foreign sports cars with smaller wheel wells and gaps. That's why the US automakers had to catch up, but some folks like that 14" rims sunken all deep into the wheel well look. My 86 Monte had 14x6 175/70s on it, first thing I did was find some deep dish corvette rallys with 255/55 tires. Looked so much better that way.
Mustangs attract nOoBs that quickly get overconfident, try to show off by burning rubber or doing doughnuts, and they find out the hard way how unforgiving a car can be with that much power.
30 years later it's settled. Foxbodies look best with 18" staggered wheels, just like G-body Camaros and Monte Carlos look best on 20" staggered irocs. And yes, 15" wheels with fat ass 55 or 60 series tires can remain back in the past. That's why even as a kid I thought the euro cars were so cool, they didn't look so sloppy with tiny wheels and bulging wheel wells.
Javi P Times have changed. Haha. The automatic 5.0s were significantly slower than the 5 speed cars, but even the 5 speeds are not particularly fast by today's standards. Another thing to consider is the fact that Motor Week's test drivers were never particularly hard on the cars. Other magazines were often able to far surpass the numbers of Motor Weeks tests. That said, Motor Week reviews are the best in my opinion because they have such a comprehensive list of retro reviews available to us today.
Rabbi Schlomo Essentially. They tend to launch and shift rather gently. Or if they don't launch gently they launch too hard and get massive wheelspin. The driving styles vary slightly from one review to the next, but the numbers are never on par with the actual capabilities of each vehicle. Their results are still a good reference point and the reviews are the best!
Those convertibles were so damn flexible. I owned one and clearly remember how the door would squeak against the door jam when going over speed bumps or ant other obstruction on the road, especially if crossing diagonally. Was like driving a piece of soggy toast.
The old Fox Body Mustangs were the best bang for the buck during the 80's and early 90's. Still a hugely popular boy-racer car to this day. Easy to work on, plentiful parts and strong drivetrains. Worst thing was the self adjusting clutch linkage which was plastic, and would break. Stock brakes were also subpar but easily upgradable. My neighbor had an 88 GT 5 speed. Fun car to drive, even in stock tune.
305's were known to break. Can't say that so much about 302 Fords. I had a 305 in a 86 G/P and 1 day, w/o any warning, it just locked up. Several people I knew during the 80s that had 305s constantly complained about them. Massive oil leaks and consumption, cam wear, timing chain failures, plug fouling...then again some were downright unstoppable! Especially in trucks. Funny how they were once so common. While I was in shop class, a guy brought 1 in for a rebuild.. the instructor said "Why?" as in Why bother? lol
+Adam Trombino I have had 3 irocs, 2 305s ( one tpi and one tbi) and one 350tpi, never one problem. I had an 89 and a 91 formula (one tpi 305 and the other tbi)and my first car a 84 Camaro 305 4bbl. I never had one issue with any of those cars. not one problem. There are a lot of those cars with 305s that didn't have issues, just like there are A LOT of 302s that had plenty of issues. Those cars, gave us the great ones we have NOW.
I had a friend in High School who had the exact Saleen. He came to the house. I can remember exactly what happened next. We pulled out of my driveway and he said “watch this, hold on!” Then proceeded to burn out throwing the car all around while jamming to GNR paradise city. I always though it was a high performance mustang but the engine was the same as my other buddy GT.
The mustang is has the attractive looks. No matter what shape and style. Beautiful sports car. I’m always been a mustang fanatics. For I own a 2019 4banger mustang.
For some reason, I think both of these Stangs look like they came out of GTA! The ASC, with its badgeless nose, the convertible top, this colour and the blacked-out tail lights! And the Saleen, with these racing stripes and these colour-matching wheels! Both of them look like something Mr Roman or Nico Bellic would drive!
I wish they would have tested the next years SSC, but hey testing a Saleen at all is great. The ASC was truly the most beautiful fox body ever built, whether it was the Mustang or the Capri
Saleen’s ride was brutally stiff, as I recall. I believe it also had its final drive ratio increased to 3:55, from the stock 2:73 (M axle code) or 3:08 (Z axle code), which further aided acceleration.
Saleen offered the 3:55 as an option with the 3:08 as standard. I have never seen a Saleen with a 2:73, might be some out there built as a special request. Saleen built a couple automatic cars as special request, so unusual/unofficial options did happen.
@@tbjtbj4786 stop living in the past, manual transmissions have been slower than autos for coming up on 20-years. The only people who want manuals are j/o's who feel the need to have a ball and stick to grab and jerk around while they're driving.
iI remember those things were really fast back in the day....lol...0-60 close 7seconds. today most family sedans are fast. Still, I would love to have either one
I've wanted a Mustang since the early 90's. Finally got one in 2013. A 2010, the crossover year. Hopefully it'll become a collector piece for my two boys.
You wrote this 6-years ago -- and let me guess, you sold that POS 2010 Mustang because it was literally falling apart, and ended up getting a Camry which you're very happy with. Because that's the path all Mustang owners take.
Wow, I love some of these throwbacks because these were shows that I would have watched back when they originally aired, if my parents would have had cable! I just aged myself really badly, didn't I? lol. Anyway.... I find it really interesting that I found this episode two days after I ran into an 85 or 86 Saleen on the street. I didn't race him or anything, but it was quite cool to see a fox body in that nice of shape, and for it to be a Saleen makes it quite rare. One of just a few hundred, even. I was perhaps, even more impressed to see him actually driving it and enjoying it. It is also stunning to see the prices of the upgrades from both ASC and Saleen. Considering that neither of them did any engine modifications (besides exhaust on the Saleen), the prices are staggering even by today's standards. Nevertheless, it made me look, and I hope to run into him again so that I can talk with him about the car and look closer at it. If it really is an original 85, then it is 1 of 140 cars produced. That's pretty rare. Thanks for the trip down memory lane!
I bought a brand new Saleen back in 88 . It was white with the grey stripes #473. Great car. I even ran it at the same Pocono track for SAAC 14,the annual Shelby meet for Mustangs in 1989. So much fun. Hit 132 on the main straight. Had a few bolt ons. Headers,off road exhaust, 65mm throttle body. Flomaster mufflers etc.
those times are off. I saw reviews of 5.0s with 5-speed manual down at 14.3 quarter miles. And in early 90s I raced against 5.0s with Vortec SC running 10s !!!
The 3rd Gen Fbod and Fox 5.0 was basically a drivers race (5-speed 5.0 LX being quickest). It was when the 4th gen LT1 came along that the Chevy dominance began. We don't even have to talk about the 4.6 vs LS1/2 era.
It's funny how the 1/4 mile times are so off. I had an 88 LX 5speed notch back that was running 14.00's at 98 bone stock back then. Once I add H pipes, flowmasters, short tube headers, timing, pulleys, homemade ram air, K&N air filter and 3.73 gears with horrible Goodyear Gator backs tires, 13.60's at 101 mph all day. Back in the late 80's and early 90's, i had no problems with Vette's and any other so call fast GM' vehicles.
Nobody's dreaming. Were you around back then? I had a 85 Mustang GT, an 88 LX 5.0 and a 89 Saleen which I still have. Stock time for the 85 GT was 14.8 and the 88 LX 5.0 ran a 14.5 . My 89 Saleen ran a 14.1 with a few mods like cam, ported stock heads. CAI and headers.
This is a cut and paste from my other account "Deacon blue". I remember back in 93 I went looking for a new 93 Cobra. If I remember correctly MSRP was $21,500. The last Cobra on the lot had already been sold but they did have some new Saleen's on the showroom floor. They were going for $30,000 which was a little out of my price range. Then I jokingly asked if they had any used Saleen's on the lot. The salesman said you know what? We do have one out back and brought up a 89 Saleen. After a great test drive, I decided to buy the Saleen instead of the Cobra. The only advantage the 93 Cobra had over the 89 Saleen was the 235 hp engine.
Stupid Comments ? Wow it was 1988 !! You could not touch these cars with some minor bolt on's . Unless you had a Buick Grand National . Corvette Camaro forget it . 1988 Lx Coupe 3200 lb home made ram air, under drive pulleys, 3;73 long tube headers & flowmasters ! 13.5 in the 1/4 . That's Buick GNX times. Still today the foxbody with mods is cleaning house !
And this one had no extra power. In 89 they made the SSC, with 292 hp, no forced induction. That was pretty good in 1989. There is one up for auction right now on BringATrailor. Check it out.
15.5 in the manual, me and my friends were getting 14.5@93 in these things bone stock and 14.1@96 with timing and air box modifications. Who drove motor weeks cars, their grandmother??
Jimmy West - I haven't had my '85 GT since 1997, by then it was running 12.8@110. A bone stock '90 GT is a tad heavier than the LX, if the timing is stock and there isn't a CAI, it should do low 14's, maybe 14.4 or so, depending on how many miles of course, also be careful with that T5, they break easy. Bump the timing and install a cold air intake and it should see 14 flat.
+KlipschHead281 It's a Motorweek thing. They always seem to get the worst acceleration and quarter mile times of any publication during testing. 14.1- 14.7 are more common test times in other publications of the time with 0-60 times usually around 6.0-6.2 for the manual trans and 6.7-7.1 automatic. Most of the people I knew with the old 5.0 were running low to mid 13s with underdrive pulleys, air box silencer removed, cat-back exhaust (usually Flowmaster) and 3.73 gears. My cousin had an '88 Saleen convertible with optional underdrive pulleys and a cat back exhaust ( I think it was Dynomax) back then. I remember he payed like 28K and it was black and awesome.
Nothing they could do could make that aero front fit in with the boxiness of the rest of the body. The fox body reached its peak in '86 GT form. The Mercury Capri was good looking too though I didn't care for them adding that bubble glass to the rear.
I have 379 as a 87 McLaren with only true 5600 miles in 2020 coronavirus era only issue is heater core leaking and transmission jerk you around has a winding sound from setting and setting around so $936 dollar fix issue heater core rust is very low new top still leaks a little bit ...but it's a 33 year old car paint job still looks new I'm now the 9th owner and don't forget to check your long-term sitting car for mice issues they like the nest in rim of your spare tire in the back...and the little bastards chew on everything..soft to make a nest.
Poor Man Mods Front brakes do 70% of the work, so upgrading the rears is a very negligible gain. But you don't get that fade/weakening that drums get from not being able to vent that heat.
+Gerald Perez must consider the disc pads, discs undoubetdly perform better than drums (in most cases) but if the disc pads were crappy then yes the drums could out perform. plus, depending on how many times they did the test, disc pads eventually give up when they get hot. there many factors with discs.
Was Motorweek around yet in 1979 when the new Mustang and Indy Pace Car edition came out? My first two vehicles were 79 Indy Pace Cars 5.0/4 speed and 5.0/automatic. I got some parts off of a 3rd Pace Car that I later figured out was probably a 500 Festival car. Last six of the VIN was 480054. It had a two digit number sticker on the back of the rear view mirror. It was a shell the last time I saw it and I think it was crushed around 1991 or so.
(10/16/2019) (@ 2:45 ) $22,000. Wow, inflation is killing us. 1988. The year I graduated and this is still my favorite styled mustang. Though, I’d rather have a lighter LX.
3.07 the saleen is imposing even threatening great way to describe this gem of a mustang I wonder what one looks like today on 2016 restored or stock someone needs to pit a video up
Those Saleens back in 88 ran a low 14 to high 13 sec 1/4 mile times bone stock with no performance mods. Back in the 80's they purposely stated slower times as to today's reviewers that are very optimistic when reporting new vehicles times.
***** Yes, no way they hit 13's. I think my 2000 Z28 strained to get that, and that was with 75 more horses and a better body and 6 speed manual. No way, no how did the stock stang do that.
Brian O'Neil your car must have been a convertible or some shit wrong with it ,those are mid 13 second cars without problem and in some cases guys hit break into the high 12s
David Ilijevski No way are you pulling with an LS1 Z28 with your 225 horses. Not stock. Picture the slowness here - www.caranddriver.com/features/1987-10best-cars-feature-1987-ford-mustang-gt-page-5
Brian O'Neil That said, I always liked those Mustangs, and had an '83 GT for a while. No need to argue much more about the speed. It was great for its price. Cops even drove them in FLA.
It's so crazy to see the age difference between the "Retro Review" John Davis and the current-day JD of modern Motor Week. Massive kudos to him for sticking with it!
Love these throwback episodes. So in 1988, 16" wheels were considered massive. LOL
You'd see 17s on some foreign sports cars with smaller wheel wells and gaps. That's why the US automakers had to catch up, but some folks like that 14" rims sunken all deep into the wheel well look. My 86 Monte had 14x6 175/70s on it, first thing I did was find some deep dish corvette rallys with 255/55 tires. Looked so much better that way.
"The Mustang is sometimes better than its driver." Extremely true nowadays
SuperFrankieOSX lmao
Than why do other cars not have that problem?🤔
Even faster cars that factually handle better?
Husspower enthusiast Corvettes also have a reputation of crashing. Problem is too much power and not enough weight on rear on.
@@71sc502 Oh you mean like the dozens of hellcats that get wrecked all the time lmao?
Mustangs attract nOoBs that quickly get overconfident, try to show off by burning rubber or doing doughnuts, and they find out the hard way how unforgiving a car can be with that much power.
That ASC looks awesome with the top down.
"massive 16'' wheels" Haha
I know right, you can get Corollas with 17in wheels nowadays...
+pbfloyd13 In most cases, is pure cosmetics, no needs to have so many wheel with so low profiles.
+Juan Carlos Damonte agree.... Still love 15's
Should we tell these kiddies that 13" daytons were the pimp wheel?
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30 years later it's settled. Foxbodies look best with 18" staggered wheels, just like G-body Camaros and Monte Carlos look best on 20" staggered irocs. And yes, 15" wheels with fat ass 55 or 60 series tires can remain back in the past. That's why even as a kid I thought the euro cars were so cool, they didn't look so sloppy with tiny wheels and bulging wheel wells.
"rocketed to 60 in 7.8 seconds" lol
i was literally gonna write exactly the same comment!
Javi P Times have changed. Haha. The automatic 5.0s were significantly slower than the 5 speed cars, but even the 5 speeds are not particularly fast by today's standards. Another thing to consider is the fact that Motor Week's test drivers were never particularly hard on the cars. Other magazines were often able to far surpass the numbers of Motor Weeks tests. That said, Motor Week reviews are the best in my opinion because they have such a comprehensive list of retro reviews available to us today.
Rabbi Schlomo Essentially. They tend to launch and shift rather gently. Or if they don't launch gently they launch too hard and get massive wheelspin. The driving styles vary slightly from one review to the next, but the numbers are never on par with the actual capabilities of each vehicle. Their results are still a good reference point and the reviews are the best!
Remember, it's only an American car.
Mike Smith I still like the Motorweek reviews. They have a classic feel to them and they are good grounds to compare cars to one another.
The Saleen is pretty much the best Foxbody of all time. Looks great with a different sent of rims.
OMG those strips and wheels. I miss the 80's!
Lol we have the same name
The Intro is just Fu..ing EPIC with the disco drums...Pure 80's, I miss you.
Disco drums? OMG are you dumb. Disco is 70s, this is late 80s, those are synth drums you Eurotrash.
Agreed!
Since you guys (motorweek) started these throwback Thursdays, Thursday has become my new Friday!
We're changing the name to Retro Review very soon...with plans to increase our upload schedule.
+MotorWeek Was there ever a review of 1990 firebird formula 350 & 1987 Olds 442
'90 Firebird would be mostly similar to '87 and '91... '87 442 perform similar to Mustang...
Those convertibles were so damn flexible. I owned one and clearly remember how the door would squeak against the door jam when going over speed bumps or ant other obstruction on the road, especially if crossing diagonally. Was like driving a piece of soggy toast.
The old Fox Body Mustangs were the best bang for the buck during the 80's and early 90's. Still a hugely popular boy-racer car to this day. Easy to work on, plentiful parts and strong drivetrains. Worst thing was the self adjusting clutch linkage which was plastic, and would break. Stock brakes were also subpar but easily upgradable. My neighbor had an 88 GT 5 speed. Fun car to drive, even in stock tune.
iroc -z 305 tpi 5 speed g92, was much better then the 5.0s
305 motor sucked. The 5.0 mustangs were much faster stock.
305's were known to break. Can't say that so much about 302 Fords. I had a 305 in a 86 G/P and 1 day, w/o any warning, it just locked up. Several people I knew during the 80s that had 305s constantly complained about them. Massive oil leaks and consumption, cam wear, timing chain failures, plug fouling...then again some were downright unstoppable! Especially in trucks. Funny how they were once so common. While I was in shop class, a guy brought 1 in for a rebuild.. the instructor said "Why?" as in Why bother? lol
+Daniel Blaney not all of them, most of them yeah I agree. The 85 tpi 5 speed g92 had a hotter cam and was a great car.
+Adam Trombino I have had 3 irocs, 2 305s ( one tpi and one tbi) and one 350tpi, never one problem. I had an 89 and a 91 formula (one tpi 305 and the other tbi)and my first car a 84 Camaro 305 4bbl. I never had one issue with any of those cars. not one problem. There are a lot of those cars with 305s that didn't have issues, just like there are A LOT of 302s that had plenty of issues. Those cars, gave us the great ones we have NOW.
I loved these cars when I was a kid. I'm 39 now and today I have a Ford F150 Ecoboost sport model and a 92" 240sx coupe.
+Will M. I have a '62 Ford Ranchero. I used to have a '93 240SX coupe, but it was bigger than yours.
This is awesome. I had an '89 GT and this brings back many fond memories. :)
+Ari Cohen , I never knew that McLaren worked on Mustangs. Also, is ASCMcLaren the same company as McLaren?
+Pax Humana I don't know about the McLaren Mustangs, sorry. Mine was all stock.
+Pax Humana different companies... American Speciality Cars
Same here. Black paint, black top, gray leather interior, with a five-speed. I miss it.
These videos are a blast from the past!
"Both are great modifications of an already great car, and either one would be welcome in our garage anytime at all." Still true 34 years later
One of the hottest cars on the market for its time.
"Massive 16-inch wheels." LOL
Samual Jones I know; that's why it's funny!
PantherP74 My 50 series tires were low profile on my 87 Mustang GT. I still find that funny. Guess I had 'gargantuan 16 inch wheels'.
Lol. This is at a time when full size trucks had 13" wheels. Now a brake rotor is 13".
I love the Foxbody Saleens!!
Oh those were the days windows down my mullet streaming in the air like a stallions beatiful mane
I've got an 1988 ASC McLaren Supercharged its awesome
I had a friend in High School who had the exact Saleen. He came to the house. I can remember exactly what happened next. We pulled out of my driveway and he said “watch this, hold on!” Then proceeded to burn out throwing the car all around while jamming to GNR paradise city. I always though it was a high performance mustang but the engine was the same as my other buddy GT.
The mustang is has the attractive looks. No matter what shape and style. Beautiful sports car. I’m always been a mustang fanatics. For I own a 2019 4banger mustang.
Just something about that Saleen mustang in white that makes that car look so damn good
I took a bone stock 89 coupe 5.0 and ran a 13.90 back then. Those cars were amazing!
I owned this car and loved it number 506
What happened to her...?
It's a mustang..... it's since been junked
TheVintagetamiya my dad had one, told me he did a tune and a bunch of mods
vend master Dog you wish you had one , you probably drive a Toyota Camry 😂
225HP from a V8 now a days the 4 banger makes that and more!
For some reason, I think both of these Stangs look like they came out of GTA! The ASC, with its badgeless nose, the convertible top, this colour and the blacked-out tail lights!
And the Saleen, with these racing stripes and these colour-matching wheels!
Both of them look like something Mr Roman or Nico Bellic would drive!
That cassette storage box is a very nice touch wow ford needs to bring that freshness back
mark jacobs MP3 storage box? Wut
Lol Do Thay Have One For Cd's?
8-tracks?
I wish they would have tested the next years SSC, but hey testing a Saleen at all is great. The ASC was truly the most beautiful fox body ever built, whether it was the Mustang or the Capri
Saleen’s ride was brutally stiff, as I recall. I believe it also had its final drive ratio increased to 3:55, from the stock 2:73 (M axle code) or 3:08 (Z axle code), which further aided acceleration.
Saleen offered the 3:55 as an option with the 3:08 as standard. I have never seen a Saleen with a 2:73, might be some out there built as a special request. Saleen built a couple automatic cars as special request, so unusual/unofficial options did happen.
It's amazing how far we've come...
I like Jonathan Davis, whether he's hosting Motorweek or singing for Korn.
I really love both Mustangs💪🏼
Putting the top away on the McLaren sounds like a fridge being thrown down a staircase. (still love these old videos)
I don't get the McLaren, could save $4k and just buy a regular GT convertible, with a rear seat.
Back when manual transmissions were way better than their slush-box counterparts
Still are.
@@tbjtbj4786 stop living in the past, manual transmissions have been slower than autos for coming up on 20-years. The only people who want manuals are j/o's who feel the need to have a ball and stick to grab and jerk around while they're driving.
Manuals are better than ever lol nowadays still
iI remember those things were really fast back in the day....lol...0-60 close 7seconds. today most family sedans are fast. Still, I would love to have either one
I'd take the Saleen over the Mclaren everyday and twice on Sunday.
That music though, bro. The days when a 300 hp Mustang was but a tuner's dream.
I would love to have one of these cars.
Then stop whining, get off welfare, go get a job and buy one.
I've wanted a Mustang since the early 90's. Finally got one in 2013. A 2010, the crossover year. Hopefully it'll become a collector piece for my two boys.
You wrote this 6-years ago -- and let me guess, you sold that POS 2010 Mustang because it was literally falling apart, and ended up getting a Camry which you're very happy with. Because that's the path all Mustang owners take.
Wow, I love some of these throwbacks because these were shows that I would have watched back when they originally aired, if my parents would have had cable! I just aged myself really badly, didn't I? lol.
Anyway.... I find it really interesting that I found this episode two days after I ran into an 85 or 86 Saleen on the street. I didn't race him or anything, but it was quite cool to see a fox body in that nice of shape, and for it to be a Saleen makes it quite rare. One of just a few hundred, even. I was perhaps, even more impressed to see him actually driving it and enjoying it.
It is also stunning to see the prices of the upgrades from both ASC and Saleen. Considering that neither of them did any engine modifications (besides exhaust on the Saleen), the prices are staggering even by today's standards.
Nevertheless, it made me look, and I hope to run into him again so that I can talk with him about the car and look closer at it. If it really is an original 85, then it is 1 of 140 cars produced. That's pretty rare.
Thanks for the trip down memory lane!
This show was on public television. No need for cable.
These were on PBS, you didn't need cable, just an IQ bigger than your shoe size to hook up an antenna to your TV.
when i put 16in iroc rims with 245/50 gatorbacks on my 79 firebird back in 1987 they did look massive indeed.!! those were the days.
60 MPH in 7.2 seconds - I remember when that was quick...
Massive 16 inch wheels. I love it.
I bought a brand new Saleen back in 88 . It was white with the grey stripes #473. Great car. I even ran it at the same Pocono track for SAAC 14,the annual Shelby meet for Mustangs in 1989. So much fun. Hit 132 on the main straight. Had a few bolt ons. Headers,off road exhaust, 65mm throttle body. Flomaster mufflers etc.
Massive 16" wheels! Good lord!
thank you for the upload ; )
Matt's Ideal RC fuck you 🖕🏼
Love the Ron Jeremy intro music. Nice!!
Thanks for posting,The rebirth of American performance.A historically important video.
"Guess some people cant drive,ive owned 25 foxbody mustang,mid 13s at the track were the norm for me in stock trim"
"That's right, LX" ;)
3:13 "...massive 16 inch wheels." :)
I was about to say the same thing. LOL. My, how things have changed :-)
the announcers head would explode if he saw a donk on 28s hahahahaha
Don't forget that massive 225hp XD
You should check out the Motorweek CRX si video - they said it sports "aggressive" 70-series tires. Hahaha.
Ikr hahhahaahahahaha :O
5:26 "..its a better car than most people driving it ..".. Thats a good statement
those times are off. I saw reviews of 5.0s with 5-speed manual down at 14.3 quarter miles. And in early 90s I raced against 5.0s with Vortec SC running 10s !!!
Yeah way off
Very beautiful cars
Alright, that is a badass intro!
Massive 16 inch wheels and wing Lol love my 88 Saleen vert!
aww got love the days when 5.0s were kings
The F-Bodies were faster back then...
imcoolioz Who cares about who was the fastest. I think the only difference that matters at this point is weight, and the mustang was lighter, IIRC.
The 5.0s are kings again!
stock f bodies were never ever faster than any stock 5.0... the only cars in the 80s and early 90s that gave the 5.0s where the grand national and gnx
The 3rd Gen Fbod and Fox 5.0 was basically a drivers race (5-speed 5.0 LX being quickest). It was when the 4th gen LT1 came along that the Chevy dominance began. We don't even have to talk about the 4.6 vs LS1/2 era.
Ill take the Saleen any day over that other stand. My friend had the 87 saleen was exact same one as in this episode.
2:10 so easy a woman can operate it.
Massive 16" rims 😝 and those Jump suit colored side stripes. Oh the 80's were great.
Basically the Saleen was by far the best MOD!!
Great era !!!
wow.. the buick GNX was 0-60 in 5 seconds at the time this mustang was for sale.
that 5.0 was awsome engine. run them all day in my boat
It's funny how the 1/4 mile times are so off. I had an 88 LX 5speed notch back that was running 14.00's at 98 bone stock back then. Once I add H pipes, flowmasters, short tube headers, timing, pulleys, homemade ram air, K&N air filter and 3.73 gears with horrible Goodyear Gator backs tires, 13.60's at 101 mph all day. Back in the late 80's and early 90's, i had no problems with Vette's and any other so call fast GM' vehicles.
I totally agree even my auto 92 gt stock does 6.5 to 60 and 96 mph quarter mile at 14.2 secs.. These guys maybe used old tech to measure times.
keep dreaming...one hell of an imagination you have
Nobody's dreaming. Were you around back then? I had a 85 Mustang GT, an 88 LX 5.0 and a 89 Saleen which I still have. Stock time for the 85 GT was 14.8 and the 88 LX 5.0 ran a 14.5 . My 89 Saleen ran a 14.1 with a few mods like cam, ported stock heads. CAI and headers.
281cobra you should really think about adding a 93 Cobra to your collection that car should be able to run High 13 stock
This is a cut and paste from my other account "Deacon blue".
I remember back in 93 I went looking for a new 93 Cobra. If I remember correctly MSRP was $21,500. The last Cobra on the lot had already been sold but they did have some new Saleen's on the showroom floor. They were going for $30,000 which was a little out of my price range. Then I jokingly asked if they had any used Saleen's on the lot. The salesman said you know what? We do have one out back and brought up a 89 Saleen. After a great test drive, I decided to buy the Saleen instead of the Cobra. The only advantage the 93 Cobra had over the 89 Saleen was the 235 hp engine.
MASSIVE 16" wheels!!!
awesome vid
Saleen dream car !!!
my God how I considered that fast back in the day, now you got trucks that beat it lol
That red head popped my top!
Stupid Comments ? Wow it was 1988 !! You could not touch these cars with some minor bolt on's . Unless you had a Buick Grand National . Corvette Camaro forget it . 1988 Lx Coupe 3200 lb home made ram air, under drive pulleys, 3;73 long tube headers & flowmasters ! 13.5 in the 1/4 . That's Buick GNX times. Still today the foxbody with mods is cleaning house !
I still have 1 its fucking awsome
Heh, I didn't even know that Saleen was modifying Mustangs back in 88' :o
I'm not sure you can modify a Mustang in 88 feet...
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And this one had no extra power. In 89 they made the SSC, with 292 hp, no forced induction. That was pretty good in 1989. There is one up for auction right now on BringATrailor. Check it out.
Joe Blo Wow thats awesome!
They were moving Mustangs as far back as 85.
The old Saleen still has a nice stance.
15.5 in the manual, me and my friends were getting 14.5@93 in these things bone stock and 14.1@96 with timing and air box modifications. Who drove motor weeks cars, their grandmother??
+KlipschHead281 agreed.. my STOCK 1988 Mustang gt ran 14.5!
WPGinterceptor - I swear these editors either don't try or don't care. Tony Defeo back in the 80's could get the best numbers from these cars.
+WPGinterceptor How many miles do you have on your GT? I'm wondering what my stock 90 GT would run
Jimmy West - I haven't had my '85 GT since 1997, by then it was running 12.8@110. A bone stock '90 GT is a tad heavier than the LX, if the timing is stock and there isn't a CAI, it should do low 14's, maybe 14.4 or so, depending on how many miles of course, also be careful with that T5, they break easy. Bump the timing and install a cold air intake and it should see 14 flat.
+KlipschHead281 It's a Motorweek thing.
They always seem to get the worst acceleration and quarter mile times of any publication during testing.
14.1- 14.7 are more common test times in other publications of the time with 0-60 times usually around 6.0-6.2 for the manual trans and 6.7-7.1 automatic.
Most of the people I knew with the old 5.0 were running low to mid 13s with underdrive pulleys, air box silencer removed, cat-back exhaust (usually Flowmaster) and 3.73 gears.
My cousin had an '88 Saleen convertible with optional underdrive pulleys and a cat back exhaust ( I think it was Dynomax) back then. I remember he payed like 28K and it was black and awesome.
wow my 2012 v6 would smoke one of these crazy how far technology has come...
Nothing they could do could make that aero front fit in with the boxiness of the rest of the body. The fox body reached its peak in '86 GT form. The Mercury Capri was good looking too though I didn't care for them adding that bubble glass to the rear.
I have 379 as a 87 McLaren with only true 5600 miles in 2020 coronavirus era only issue is heater core leaking and transmission jerk you around has a winding sound from setting and setting around so $936 dollar fix issue heater core rust is very low new top still leaks a little bit ...but it's a 33 year old car paint job still looks new I'm now the 9th owner and don't forget to check your long-term sitting car for mice issues they like the nest in rim of your spare tire in the back...and the little bastards chew on everything..soft to make a nest.
how the heck did the 4 wheel discs in the saleen stop further than the McLaren with drums?
AWESOME!
Poor Man Mods Front brakes do 70% of the work, so upgrading the rears is a very negligible gain. But you don't get that fade/weakening that drums get from not being able to vent that heat.
aren't disk brakes supposed to be better than the drum breaks anyways?
Mainly in heat resistance and pedal response, surface area and brake pad compound are more important
+Gerald Perez must consider the disc pads, discs undoubetdly perform better than drums (in most cases) but if the disc pads were crappy then yes the drums could out perform. plus, depending on how many times they did the test, disc pads eventually give up when they get hot. there many factors with discs.
"like most mustangs, the car is better than. most people driving it" thats truer than ever today
Was Motorweek around yet in 1979 when the new Mustang and Indy Pace Car edition came out? My first two vehicles were 79 Indy Pace Cars 5.0/4 speed and 5.0/automatic. I got some parts off of a 3rd Pace Car that I later figured out was probably a 500 Festival car. Last six of the VIN was 480054. It had a two digit number sticker on the back of the rear view mirror. It was a shell the last time I saw it and I think it was crushed around 1991 or so.
"When this baby hits 88mph, you're gonna see some serious shit!!!"
Saleen and ASC McLaren provide two 1988 modified Mustangs for comparison.
I want to try this Saleen Mustang.
With a name like "Saleen" you can tell this Mustang is a true "goddess of the road!"
I remember having to get my Saleen song on all my stangs
I always hated the look of these Mustangs "Fox body". But for some reason some time ago a started to like them. I'm getting old maybe...
(10/16/2019) (@ 2:45 ) $22,000. Wow, inflation is killing us. 1988. The year I graduated and this is still my favorite styled mustang. Though, I’d rather have a lighter LX.
I wish they did a review of the Ford LTD LX, the four door Mustang.
Saleen only did cosmetic & suspension changes on 1984-1988
Starting 1989 Saleen SSC cranked 292hp
1990-1993 306hp
1994-1999 Saleen S351 497hp
2002-2004 Saleen S281E 425hp
2005-2010 Saleen S281E 550hp
2011-2014 Saleen 302E mid 600's
2015+ Saleen black label aka "E" Xetreme over 700hp
Saleem all the way. This was his hey day
The top reminds me of a 80s sl mercedes
"Massive 16 inch wheels..." Wow, talk about back in the day.
Awesome
3.07 the saleen is imposing even threatening great way to describe this gem of a mustang I wonder what one looks like today on 2016 restored or stock someone needs to pit a video up
mark jacobs, you're kidding right?
Those Saleens back in 88 ran a low 14 to high 13 sec 1/4 mile times bone stock with no performance mods. Back in the 80's they purposely stated slower times as to today's reviewers that are very optimistic when reporting new vehicles times.
***** Yes, no way they hit 13's. I think my 2000 Z28 strained to get that, and that was with 75 more horses and a better body and 6 speed manual. No way, no how did the stock stang do that.
Brian O'Neil mine did 1987 hatchback 5 speed with no options. no air condition ,no power windows ,13.97 stock best time
Brian O'Neil your car must have been a convertible or some shit wrong with it ,those are mid 13 second cars without problem and in some cases guys hit break into the high 12s
David Ilijevski No way are you pulling with an LS1 Z28 with your 225 horses. Not stock. Picture the slowness here - www.caranddriver.com/features/1987-10best-cars-feature-1987-ford-mustang-gt-page-5
Brian O'Neil That said, I always liked those Mustangs, and had an '83 GT for a while. No need to argue much more about the speed. It was great for its price. Cops even drove them in FLA.
Miata’s manual top must have blown their minds.
It's so crazy to see the age difference between the "Retro Review" John Davis and the current-day JD of modern Motor Week. Massive kudos to him for sticking with it!
Most importantly it has an oil pressure and voltmeter gauge!