G-Body Chassis comparison by Schwartz Performance
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- čas přidán 5. 01. 2015
- Your original G-body chassis is extremely weak, heavy, and takes a lot of work to get it to work out right. You'll spend less time messing around by using one of our bolt-in G-Body chassis! Our G-Machine Chassis incorporates modern technology such as coilover shocks, rack and pinion, 9 inch posi, and big brakes to get you the handling and ride quality you'd expect from a modern car- but in a package that fits your G-Body!
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That was a great demonstration. 125 lbs savings and +400 hp is also convincing.
I’m sold.
10 Gs for the chassis is a bit more than i expected but not crazy for what it is, but you can buy a whole Gbody and go pretty fast for that $$$
I've seen their frames in action and they are impressive. I wish I had the $$$ to buy one.
not to be that guy. But doesn't having one on the chassis on rubber wheels, and on the suspension, and the other chassis on jack stands with the contact points to the floor at different spots make a tremendous difference in this demonstration? I'd like to see them both setup as rolling chassis on the same wheels and tires (or close). When doing any sort of testing you want to remove all variables from the control. (the control being stock). You added variables.
I was thinking the same.
also one is 30 years old the other is brand new lol
Both frames were on stands not touching the ground..
If anything, the wheels mounded during his basic torsion twist illustration would dampen the effect he is trying to demonstrate. Which actually gives strength to his illustration.
And then they show 2 cars that aren't even G-body's!!!
May the Schwartz be with you
monster mechanic 2000 LIQUID SCHWARTZ
No wheels on their chassis, im sure that’ll make a big difference. And when lifting it, the suspension also makes a difference, didn’t find it that convincing.
They’re both lifted up and supported the same way. Adding wheels to our chassis wouldn’t have made much if any difference. It doesn’t twist as much. If you ever get a g body chassis off of a body, do the test yourself and you’ll be amazed at how weak they are :)
Thanks for watching!
One is on jack stands the other one is not.
Exactly what I was thinking. Put tires on it or there's no comparison.
@@pete1203 Wrong. You can clearly see both are jacked up in exactly the same places.
excellent video and must be an excellent product
Just curious how much a chassis costs
Any issues with the G-Body shuffle? The top rear bars appear to be at the same angle.
How much is full chasis/suspension kit for 87 monte Carlo?
Any chance you will make one of these g-body replacements that fits under a g-body elcamino?
What about how using a Gbody but to wrap it like what they do when putting hydraulics on it
GBODY shuffle
Isnt this chassis over 20,000 usd? that buys alot of suspension upgrades to stock chassis. 900 usd will get all new sway bars, bilstein shocks, bushings and lowering performance springs.
for a few hundred more you can get some chassis stiffeners.
20 k😦 I'm a lowrider and use to plating gbody's chassis to take the forces of hydraulics and batteries. But 20K for a sleeper? I can't do it I appreciate the engineering and the research that it took to make something so awesome but damn
look how he has jack stands duh it's not gonna move like the og frame
Reading the comments and I cant see how others cant see that the wheels on the OG chassis are not touching the ground...
No shit right...lol
How much do you get just for the Chelsea on a G-Body nothing on it just the chassis
How much does a chassis cost that can fit a b13?
Great video. Very informative and interesting. New subber.
The video is like comparing apples to oranges. The stock frame was sitting on tires and his frame was on jack stands at the outer rails. I'm a huge fan of Schwartz and what his company does, but this video doesn't tell the whole truth.
I looked at the the jack stands and the 3 stands per frame are placed in the same spot...I just wanna know what the price is???
its like $12k for just the frame with everything you see it would cost around $20k
DO ALL G BODY CHASSIS FIT UNIVERSAL, I AM WANTING TO BUY A NEW CHASSIS FOR MY 85 MONTE
How can I get one of these
But how much that's going to cost .
do the Gbody chassis also work for the El Camino. Although it is a Gbody it has a different wheelbase.
No
@@cardioandfriends well that sucks, its not really g body then is it?
They make a el camino chassis
is there a link available. I am building a 1979 Monte Carlo and would like to inquire about one of these chassis.
omg use the internet bro
@@stereolababy good job responding to a 5 year old post
The weight of the wheels and the axes could change the results.
Hello I have an 1982 Chrysler Cordoba and I have rust in a few areas what chassis / car can I buy to to replace it?
trankillodad I hate to be the deliverer of bad news, but unfortunately, your Chrysler Cordoba is NOT a full perimeter frame vehicle. Your car, like ALL Chrysler products since around 1960....is of a Uni-Body construction. Meaning that there is no separate frame. The structural rigidity is supplied by integrating the frame rail structure into the floorpan of the body. Henceforth, you don't have a separate body and frame. Unfortunately for you, this means that in order to have a solid, separate frame, you will have to fully remove the stock floor and frame rails, and have a full custom tube chassis fabricated. Sorry for the bad news, but this is the only way to accomplish this. Unless you are TOTALLY in LOVE with this particular car, be prepared to spend a LOT OF MONEY meeting your goals, it's definitely obtainable, and a qualified chassis/race car shop could perform the necessary modifications. I would suggest contacting Jeff Schwartz via email or phone and discuss the options that are available for your car. If he can't do it himself.... ( it seems that GM chassis are his forte) I'm sure that he can refer you to someone who can. I hope that this helps!
'82 Cordoba is an '80-'83 Chrysler J-body along with the Mirada and the Imperial of those same years. It also shares a lot with the F and M bodies (Aspen, Volare, Diplomat, some years of Fury, New Yorker, 5th Avenue) but probably not enough given what you'd need.
Unfortunately the F/M/J body Mopars don't have nearly the aftermarket support that the GM G-Body does. Check out "For FMJ Bodies Only dot com" for info and Magnum Force for performance parts.
I do have an 88 Camaro... that would be great for me, but how much something like that will set be back for ?
The 3rd Gen unibody requires a lot of fab to fit a full chassis to. There are a good amount of bolt ons and subframe connectors out there that will help a lot.
I had no idea how much they flex.
Ah sweet so I dont have to look for a new frame, marching on!
may the SCHWAAAAARTZ be with you!
I want one!
or just put a roll cage into your old car and it will be just fine
Hi how are you Sir. Is a cage a cheaper route as well ? Im looking to do something strong. But of course I'm trying to save money as well.
@Deez louize also adding in flat plate into the open c channel helps and chassis braces in between like speedtech sells.
Is there a way to tell front ends apart from a G body(79 Monte carlo) to an F body(79 camaro)?
Upper control arm on a Gbody: the rear mount is further inboard than the front.
The 2nd gen fbody is angled the opposite way, where the rear mount is further outboard than the front.
@@SchwartzPerformance thanks, its a camaro. have you ever seen factory brackets that go from the frame to rear lower a-arm mount, they seem to have been factory to stiffen the frame but get in the way of the headers? I'm wondering if it would hurt to remove them for headers?
Matt R Can’t say I have, we don’t really work on factory frame cars. Majority of our experience is fitting our chassis to them. Sorry!
But I don’t think it would hurt to remove them, unless you’re auto crossing or throw it around corners hard.
So one of your chassis won't be good for Hydraulics? Like 3 wheel motion or hopping ?
burrvisiontv Definitely not.
Schwartz Performance lmmuhfugginassoff!
alex collins Alright man
The stock chassis is on tires and suspension and the aftermarket one is on jack stands tho lol
Incorrect. The stock chassis is on jack stands, as well.
cost way to much
You aint lyin..he want bout 10k for that
@@calcutlass1 10k for a frame seems fair
Good to know!
The only thing that concerns me is hunting down replacement parts for this custom chassis.
build em yourself 🤷🏾
That’s the G body shuffle
What's that red bar under the middle of the stock frame for ? Maybe to hold the front up of the front suspension to try try and say it flexes that bad.
jeff prewitt It’s called a jack stand. Both chassis have jack stands in the same locations.
Would this fit the gbody el caminos?
We have a specific El Camino chassis similar to this one, just longer.
I have a 1979 cutlass i put a 455 rocket olds in fully build make 450hp at the flywheel, stock frame obviously different rear end no problems at all I drive it at least once a week. stock frame is fine unless you have some ungodly amount of hp.
Chad Bullock you’re right, stock frame is fine for a street driver. We are just showing how our frame is much stronger in torsional rigidity.
Once you really start beating on the stock frame, especially if you have T-tops, there are problems that can arise. Usually sticky tires will show those issues first. The suspension and steering geometry in stock config is terrible. There are a lot of benefits to our chassis, not just the strength. They handle better and ride like a modern car. Check out our website for some more details if you’re interested! www.schwartzperformance.com
Is there a 77-96 B body frame?
For me it was Tuesday. We haven’t had much demand for those but we would happily build one if we had an order!
Can you put one on a corvair
Eric Wilkes , You can buy one and find out, or send us a Corvair and we will build a specific chassis for it.
Can you all do gm b body frame
youngbills26 we currently offer 65-67's.
there $$$$ expensive cost/worth more then the gbody it self ,$2 saddles for $1 horse
Wow if u wanna play u gotta pay.the gbodys have gone up in value and like anything gear heads do it's about what u want not what u spend. So stop crying cause u cant afford to play
I love this comment
Your not doing Cadillac anymore?
P Motorsports We haven't offered Cadillac parts ever. Jeff had a 82 Fleetwood Brougham he modified years ago but used mostly off the shelf parts. Maybe that was what you're referring to?
Need a b body frame.
Any chance on making a GM Body frame.
For me it was Tuesday. Which Body?
@@SchwartzPerformance B body.
We have a 65-67 B-body frame. Might fit 68-70 as well.
We can build other chassis as long as we have the car here.
78 to 90 for impalas/caprice. A lot of are cars need an upgrade but the price cant be outrageous since these cars already need alot of work. They dont sell many aftermarket parts like older chevys.
I'll take 20!
What year G-body chassis is that...
Joe Schlotthauer It’s off an ‘84.
Why do you ask?
@@SchwartzPerformance
Monte Carlo, Olds Cutlass was always a GM "A" body...
Joe Schlotthauer 78-88 Monte/Malibu/Cutlass/Regal/El Camino etc are called G-bodies. The A-body as you know it ended with the 73-77 cars.
@@SchwartzPerformance
I know, it was a sad day, that's why I asked. Had a few GS Stage 1 cars, two 70 Monte Carlo SS 454 cars, 70 GSX car # 125, and a bunch of other stuff thrown in, those were the days...
🔥🔥
The test should be with tires an without the Jacks holding the frame to compare apples to apples.
Perfect for three-wheelin' tho.
Wow. Around 21k for a rolling chassis for first gen Camaro. Nothing is affordable anymore. Great product tho.
You should fab some BADASS G Body Lowrider frames. Guarantee you they’ll sell. I have a test dummy and knowledge, if you need it. 😅
wow
Ponle llantas, con bases cualquiera esta rijido
How much?
Cesar Orozco - Hey there, check our website for pricing and info. www.gmachinechassis.com
You should reshoot this video with wheels on the performance chassis. One on wheels and one on jack stands isn't an accurate side by side comparison.
They are both on stands
The comparison may be a bit unfair. The stock chassis is sitting on its tires, while the newer chassis is sitting on jacks, so making the test as done here will not show the true difference.
Sorry, but your observation & analysis is incorrect. Yes it has wheels/tires on it, but you can clearly see the jack stands in the same location as our chassis.
Think about it... How can a chassis flex like this if all tires were touching the ground?
Informative video, check out my gbody monte ss frame off restomod videos
I also am rebuilding a 14 Chevy SS
I was wanting more flex not less
All you need is a plasma cutter and a stock frame.
Yes. I'm not autocrossing, or racing for money so I'll keep what's under mine 👍
I don’t know but my Grand National had no problem running 9.90’s with the factory frame........
That's not a fair Comparison as one is one it's wheels and suspension under compression and the other is supported by axle stands and it'd the frame that's taking the brunt so I wouldn't exactly call this a fair comparison
Sorry but you're wrong. They're both on jack stands.
These chassis are for rich people because most people dont have disposable income.
Gbody frame = Wet 🍝
Put yours on wheel
Theyre both on stands
Old chassis hooks better🙄
hey if it ain't broke don't fix it
I do want to be that guy to correct you if you're questioning what he's showing you you have no idea the geometry in frames I built frames for cars and for Banshee drag racing there's a lot to it and he's one hundred percent correct learn a little so you don't have to be that guy with a dumb comments LMMFAO
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what car you recommend to be a donor for my 1982 Chrysler Córdoba that has rust on the chassis
Too expensive. Not worth the investment or if you want to blow money
stephanwilliams41 - Hey Stephan. They’re not for everyone. However, if you understand that the stock G-body frame is weak, plus the suspension geometry is poor, you can then see the advantages in going with a performance chassis system. This is a one-and-done approach, alleviating additional frame or suspension upgrades. Regardless if you believe it’s a poor investment, it’s one of our best sellers and very popular for the pro-touring G-body crowd.
Take care!
@@SchwartzPerformance if you were racing, maybe you would have a point. But to build an ls swapped cruiser you shouldn't rob people with an over prices, over rated setup.
stephanwilliams41 Sorry you don’t understand the benefits entirely.. they’re not for a general LS swapped cruiser. Our chassis handle and ride like a modern sports car. They’re not overpriced when you add up all the equivalent bolt ons you could put on a stock frame.. which are just band aids in essence. You can brace the frame, which adds weight. You can’t fit a 345 wide rear tire on a stock frame either. 90% of our customers don’t race, but want something that performs better than a stock one could.
Like I said, they’re not for everybody but there’s no need to bash our product when you haven’t really deciphered the details and pricing comparison.
@@SchwartzPerformance I'm not bashing your products Sir. I'm bashing your pricing. I think it's highway robbery. You do not market to the everyday common builder who wants a good product for a decent price, and who doesn't actually mind pay a little more for a great product. But you only market to the rich who could care less on blowing 15-20 on something that's not worth the price
stephanwilliams41 Our chassis by itself is $5600. Suspension, brakes, rack and pinion, new rear end, coil overs... all those items are standard retail prices. Yes they’re not for everyone. If you have a $8k budget then you have no choice but to use cheaper products and a stock frame. We cannot sell you a chassis with components for $8000 when the brakes, shocks, and rear end retail for $8k from those respective manufacturers. There is no highway robbery, there is nothing overpriced, it just is what it is for a quality engineered system.
I know you know of G-body guys who spend $10,000 on wheels but nothing on their chassis or brakes.. all depends on where you want to put your money.
Again I’m sorry you don’t see the value in our kit but that’s okay and you’re entitled to your opinion. Hope my explanation at least gave you some insight as to what the actual costs of parts are.
who said I was jealous because I'm not. I only made that statement because I'm dirt poor and most of my friends are too.
i call bs on your twist test.
Rick Williams Jr. Yeah??? How about you stop by our shop and I’ll show you a comparison in person. I’ve got a couple G-body chassis around. That way you can see first hand how flexible they are.
Im not trying to hurt your product...but the test I see is a bit bias. the fac frame has a full suspension and four tires on it. you have a jack stand under the front crossmember in the center. its on the tires at the rear. when you twist the front corner its gonna twist that way. you have your frame full suspension no tires with jack stands at each corner, not resting on the suspension at all, so its a bit set up. yours looks like it could be more rigid, just not as much as you claim. and some flex is good. its helps ride quality for street rididng.
Rick Williams Jr. If you look closely the stock frame is completely off the ground. So you’re wrong. Yes it has tires on it but otherwise the test is identical. If you know anything about G-bodies you’ll understand that the stock frames flex too much. It does not enhance ride quality versus an engineered suspension.
Can’t you see around 1:00 that the stock frame flexing is also moving the rear tires? How would that be possible if they were in fact on the ground? You can also see the jack stands.
Thanks for contributing. 👍🏻
@@SchwartzPerformance maybe ill look again then.
look how he has jack stands duh it's not gonna move like the og frame
look how he has jack stands duh it's not gonna move like the og frame