Why are graphic hardware companies bowing to anticheat companies. If the anticheat was not working, that’s a them problem, not a graphics hardware company problem. At the end of the day, the player’s experience matters and if that results in anticheat companies having to use their brains and actually do work, then that’s good.
There's an evil agenda against PC users. They want to destroy us with DRMs and closed source software. We need too start using open source software such as linux to protest against that. I use gentoo linux.
Thing is, most cheats are simply injection wrappers. Why should anticheat have to go out of their way to permit some when they can simply ban all current and future cheats by banning the wrappers and GPUs already have a clean API interface they can use in DirectX/OpenGL? Yeah, it sucks for something like Reshade too. But Reshade can also arguably offer an unfair advantage in offering something as simple as cell shading.
In what way do you think gpu/gfx card makers are bowing down to anti cheat companies? The fact people were getting banned for anti-lag is down to the game code. Working around and taking into account individual games has *always* been a part of drivers. Or are you talking about something else that's not in the video?
@@marvinlauerwald Man there's a whole scene for cheating in Valorant and that's a game where the devs keep boasting about a kernel level anti-cheat. There is so many ways to get past that, so yeah this sht just hurts gamers. You are NOT getting anti-lag 2 in older games, and it being driver level was such a good feature.
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If the 9950X has a unified 3D V-Cache of 128MB, it definitely will be my next CPU. Time, as always, will tell ;-)
Making the 9700x beat the 7800X3D would be a smart move because if it can do it WITHOUT the V-Cache, that means that the cores themselves will be very powerful and faster at every other task as well due to the higher clock speeds. But with that said, I'm likely still going to be waiting until I can get an X3D version and an 800 series board. I buy high end cards and my next one will most likely use PCI-e 5.0 along with my m.2 drive so I want all the speed and lanes I can get. USB 4 is just a bonus.
It’s not going to beat it because the performance leap is not big enough in IPC and the clock speed is the same as Zen 4. So it will be slower than the 7800x3d in games but faster in productivity.
The problem AMD is gonna have is that Zen 3 and 4 were just so damn good many folks I know myself included are simply sticking with what we have. Lets face it folks, the core wars unlike the Mhz wars quickly sees diminishing returns unless you are doing some serious content creation or heavy number crunching, as for gaming even a 3600 is fine for 1080p and a 5600,5700x, or 5800x regular or 3D can easily handle 1440p so if you aren't seeing any bottlenecks why switch?
Get a 5700x3d and you get 98% of the performance of a 5800x3d for 200usd. I literally just upgraded my 2019 rig with a 3600 and 5700xt to a 5700x3d and a 7900xt. Zero bottlenecking and I am good for another 4-5 years. Also got a new monitor and I’m loving it all.
@shrimpwalk8230 it can't. Not in 4k. The GPU will be maxed out in usage and the CPU will be at 20% depending on game I guess u don't watch gaming benchmarks in 4k
sometimes I think people get blinded by too much media oversimplification. Anti Lag 2.0 is NOT an upgraded Anti - Lag Plus (a driver only version), it is an upgraded version of Anti Lag 1.0. It still needs to be implemented by the developers. Anti Lag Plus wasn't better, just shifted from an in - game code to driver level code, which got it flagged by anti -cheat software. Anti - Lag 1.0 was never affected by that, and remained available for those games that had it.
I don't think this will actually improve the performance of most games cuz they almost never go above 65W even at max load (of games), so the CPU will easily hit the maximum clock speed of 5.5GHz even without increasing the TDP to 120W.
I prefer a "future" 65W 9700 vs the revised 9700X. For me the change that AMD is making to the 9700X is stupid. Why change the 9700X TDP to compete with their own 7000 3d series of chips? The people who owns a 7000 series 3d chip won't upgrade to a 120w 9700X... They will upgrade to the 9000 series 3d chips when they come for a bigger performance gain 😅. Just my opinion...
I’m most likely going to wait for Zen5 and the X870 and 870E motherboard to come out. I think the newer motherboard and processor will fix the memory controller issues along with being able to overclock. I’m wondering if we will finally be able to run 4 DRR5 sticks at 6000 MHZ. I’ll guess we will find out.
Frame generation on both PS5 and Xbox Series S/X is available since May. But it's up to developers to implement it in their games. Nexon confirmed First Descendant is coming out on PS5 with FSR and AMD Frame Generation, which means Sony isn't preventing anyone.
I was actually looking forward to the 9700x for the lower TDP... coming from a 4790k that was going to be my upgrade. i literally game in my office, which my office is literally my closet so there not a lot of ventilation.
IMHO there is no reason to wait if you need to build a PC like right now. the 600 series boards are fine. But also there is no reason to upgrade without x3d
You state there’s no big difference between X670E and X870E, but you might get better memory overclocking, or hell, you might can run 4 sticks on AM5 with X870E, but I could be totally off the mark here
@@theheroofourtime3578 Ok, that seems like a valid point. Will X870E have more layers on the PCB to allow higher memory speeds or just more mature BIOS updates?
@@Kapono5150most of the b650 and x670 have ridiculous vrms. Unless you don't buy some cheap model, we can expect them to last a long time for upgrades. Also the b650 even supports ram speeds upto 7600mhz, 7800mhz. So even if you put in a ryzen 9000 cpu, you should be able to use faster ram and get some extra performance.
I probably won't wait 3+ months for X870. Will get a cheap B650 and populate it with 8600G and DDR5 for my AM5 system and then get X870(E) (B850?) if required...maybe Nov on Black Friday.
I am waiting for the 9900X3D & X870 for sure. Hopefully, the boost clock of the 9900X3D is similar to 9900X. At the end of the day, the machine is for work. Gaming is secondary for me. I also want the X870 to ensure the RAM - CPU bus is as robust as possible. Hopefully it's possible to have 4 sticks of RAM running at full speed to allow future upgrade.
if amd can add power to their 9700x to increase proformance with just a random idea. does that mean that they could apply the same thing to their higher end skews and expect the same results?
I am going build a pc with cannibalizing some parts from my current PC. Will just wait until Black Friday deals because of this. I just need memory, CPU and motherboard.
@@jimdob6528 true. But I really want a new motherboard. My current setup still works but starting to show it's age despite here and there upgrading parts. Currently running intel i9 7920x, Asus rog rampage extreme vi and 64gig ddr4 ram 4 sticks
Well all i can say is anything i buy must have headroom for overclocking, i still run my core i3 8350k @4.7ghz all cores it can play most of my games no issues with my RTX 3050, BUT i do need to upgrade, i was thinking maybe getting an AM4 board and an x3d chip as Intel want too much and do not offer the best option for me on an upgrade path. If the new 9k series are better i would most likely take AM4 still, my issue despite AMD announcing new chips for the platform is that the choice of motherboards is dwindling rapidly.
@@ILoveTinfoilHats Yes, but I think 120 is a little overkill for a non flagship in terms of power consumption and heat. 90ish would be a probably put it close to the current x3d
Do you think when a PCIE lane becomes X32, they will bring back dual GPU capabilities? Because we will have a X32, X16, X8/X4 for sell 3 PCIE lanes, right? And if it’s PCIE 5 or 6, we should have speeds fast enough to support it.
@@ILoveTinfoilHats not speed, but more bandwidth. Send more data per lane with some increase in speed. A X32 lane can send much more data than a X16 lane. And currently GPU’s now don’t fully saturate a X16 lane for gaming. The reason we have problems (this is only 1 part of the equation) is because we are still using X16 and X8 lanes, correct?
@@monolithtv2871 no not correct. In this context speed = bandwidth that's what I'm talking about. Multi GPU setups for gaming are *not *limited by the PCIe lanes bandwidth so increasing is not going to help. It's the latency that is the problem, the delay between a card requesting information and actually receiving it. Add as many lanes to a highway as you want, but if distance is the problem, not traffic, it won't help.
Call me a boomer but i feel like there's an oversaturation of "performance tech" like 3 different upscalers, frame gen, anti lag, reflex, blah blah, i miss the old days when the new card was just faster than the old card
Conundrum in contemplating pushing aside my B550 5900x/DDR4/PCIE4 in favor of X870 9900x/DDR5/PCIE5... for no good reason at all. This one has more than enough power for everything I do... geez am I mentally defective?
@6:55 Yes, Frame Generation uses like AI, interpolation of points and 3D geometry to generate a correlated movement, so if you remove enough frames, the interpolation will suffer artifacts; but still can get performance by limiting the FPS to 60+ with Adrenalin Chill, these will prevent getting the GPU to a find its binding FPS, so you get more smoother Frame Transitions; so the GPU works a little more with another part of itself: The Frame generation Engine, while more work is done in the Pipeline with the other engines, which fills the pipeline, and in the end the GPU stockpiles work, and then can save energy by throttling itself, it's really good
Y’all I’m desperate, I’ve been wanting to get the GPD Win Max 2 for about a year already however with strix point and lunar lake coming out, if GPD decides to use these it could mean a lot better battery life/better fps. Continuing to wait when I can already buy one is SO hard especially not being able to use it during the summer. My question is, does anyone think GPD will use strix point or lunar lake for the devices soon or is it not worth waiting even longer?
@@SkibToiletLovr I was right AMD has delayed the launch of its Ryzen 9000 CPUs ("Zen 5") to August 15th, with a possibility to ship slightly earlier, due to a non-specific inability to meet "quality expectations. straight from gammers nexus. "mic drop."
With frame generation it is a bit more... lets say it like this: There is a reason why you find constant references to Intel and Nvidia when you go through all the gpuOpen stuff (hint: They provided the actual research and development of the proof of concepts for those things). Nvidia had temporal interpolation for years but that was not meant for realtime cause it simply took too much performance to get decent results. And we can see that with FSR as only now it started looking decent while also not really improving performance on lower cards anymore. Turns out: Yeah, doing more than simple upscaling takes resources and performance.
9000 series feel like 14th gen refresh for Intel. Incremental upgrade and the same thing. If you are already on 7000 AMD series, skip this and just get the last one. Moores law is dead already released rumors about Zen 6 “Medusa”.
@@in-xm1py yes it is! ... No really why should it be bad? Why should i buy myself an X670E Mainboard if i think it would not be a good idea? I am only answering the Question. ;)
Anyway I wait for the 9th-Gen and Facts about them when the first official and indipendent tests circulate and one can see what obvisiously the new CPU's brings for us....
Okay, so yes. Im gonna wait on my MB upgrade till 8xx series boards coming out. And yes I am going to wait till the 9xxx x3d series cpus are released. Its just too close to the release dates at this point. Even if you waited and bought what you would now in a few months you would be way better off waiting just another month or two. In my opinion anyways...
X870 will have an unattractive pricing. AMD doesn't want that high price connected to new CPU release. Kind of buy our new, not so improved (for regular desktop or gaming) CPU for a reasonable price. Then do with the MB whatever fits you. Definitely wait for X3D and MB release to see the full picture. Which won't be pretty at first is my guess.
4:59 AMD just want everyone not to buy Nvidia's latest GPU's. That's why RTX 2000 and RTX 3000 are supported for FSR 3+ Even if consumer don't buy AMD GPU they can still benefit from FSR 3+ even while Nvidia limits their consumers with DLSS 3 to buy latest GPU'S..
- - - - It says DISABLE ANTI-LAG ... NOT Anti-Lag 2 !!! So MAYBE that's the confusion.... Anti-Lag still exists, it's in the driver/adrenaline software..... but anti-lag 2 is only enabled IN GAME.... so that is MOPST LIKELY WHAT THEY MEANT??? 🤷♂
i'M DEFINITELY waiting for the new 870E boards to pair with whatever 9000 series CPU I choose. I recently got the big C, so this is my very last PC upgrade. The 5090 GPU too of course : ) I refuse to go out with anything else ... I cannot take $'s with me lol ... and I will probably only just make it $-wise to buy my last beast : ) All worth it !!! Cheers World !!!
USB4 is the reason to get a new AMD board, especially if you didn't invest in AM5 yet. but if I did get AM5 I dont think it would be worth it yet. wait for lower prices, maybe. Newer boards would have better memory controllers, for faster RAM and more stability. 9800X3D goin to kill IT !! esp if it O.C. well.
@@alvydasjokubauskas2587 Paitence never lead anywhere because you'll always be waiting. I just bought it because I got it for about 260 USD. I think I might be able to sell it with a profit though since it cost almost 400 USD new here in sweden usually due to high tax.
To answer your question I don’t know what I want so I’m a wait till it all gets older and all the products are available and all the testing is done then make my decision just before the next new generation comes out🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️😂
what an L. significantly increase power draw and heat to beat the 7800x3d by less than 5%. The 9700x was going to be one of the most efficient chips you could buy with similar performance to a 7800x3d at much lower power draw...
Why must AMD always f*ck up their product stack consistency? The X sku should have meant high TDP and the non-X should have meant 65W from the start. If they want to be foolish and try to squeeze 3% more performance from 100% more power draw thats fine, but don't create contradictions and paradoxes within your product offerings.
Its really stupid for 9700x to have increased tdp to beat the 7800x3d because the 9800x3d will beat both of them at lower power consumption. Let the 9700x be an efficient productivity chip and let the 9800x3d be get the gaming crown.
I’ve to save money for my pc upgrade also I don’t upgrade regularly so I want something worth while. I do have a desktop and laptop that both can game pretty good. Going to buy an X870E board with 9800x3d with 64gb ddr5 with and nvme ssd. Currently on a 10 year old i7 4930k thats been having blue screens issues (probably ram) again. It has 32gb of ddr3 so yeah pretty big upgrade. I’ll keep using my 3070 till a good upgrade comes out.
AMD has to compete with itself coz Intel is not even a competitor anymore lol, the only thing Intel has is its market share which was build by older Gen cpus
I don't think this will actually improve the performance of most games cuz they almost never go above 65W even at max load (in games), so the CPU will easily hit the maximum clock speed of 5.5GHz even without increasing the TDP to 120W
Except, you know, gaming generally doesn't stress out all of the cores on a CPU with 6 cores more more. So, it's already likely below the max TDP. And productivity workloads... do stress all cores available so you'd be... arbitrarily limiting the power available when you *actually* need it most.
On AMD, the lower junction temperature (vs Intel) is generally the limiting factor. Giving it more power when it's already thermal throttling is certainly a decision one could make? (just not a good one)
@@VRIceblast TDP doesn't mean power consumption, it's only the limit. You can change the limit in the BIOS like always before. Even if the limit is 120W the CPU does NOT use more than 65W almost ever, other than in rendering tasks.
Why are graphic hardware companies bowing to anticheat companies. If the anticheat was not working, that’s a them problem, not a graphics hardware company problem. At the end of the day, the player’s experience matters and if that results in anticheat companies having to use their brains and actually do work, then that’s good.
There's an evil agenda against PC users. They want to destroy us with DRMs and closed source software. We need too start using open source software such as linux to protest against that. I use gentoo linux.
Thing is, most cheats are simply injection wrappers.
Why should anticheat have to go out of their way to permit some when they can simply ban all current and future cheats by banning the wrappers and GPUs already have a clean API interface they can use in DirectX/OpenGL?
Yeah, it sucks for something like Reshade too. But Reshade can also arguably offer an unfair advantage in offering something as simple as cell shading.
@@pondracekdont defend em. Its just lazy PLUS hurts gamers more than "cheaters"
In what way do you think gpu/gfx card makers are bowing down to anti cheat companies?
The fact people were getting banned for anti-lag is down to the game code. Working around and taking into account individual games has *always* been a part of drivers.
Or are you talking about something else that's not in the video?
@@marvinlauerwald Man there's a whole scene for cheating in Valorant and that's a game where the devs keep boasting about a kernel level anti-cheat. There is so many ways to get past that, so yeah this sht just hurts gamers. You are NOT getting anti-lag 2 in older games, and it being driver level was such a good feature.
If the 9950X has a unified 3D V-Cache of 128MB, it definitely will be my next CPU. Time, as always, will tell ;-)
tell me about it... due 3d v-cache sounds promising
@zaehaed I wonder is the ryzen 9000 will have an IGPU. Just a nice to have.
My current system handles the games & workload that I give it just fine, so no point in chasing overkill benchmark numbers IMO.
Making the 9700x beat the 7800X3D would be a smart move because if it can do it WITHOUT the V-Cache, that means that the cores themselves will be very powerful and faster at every other task as well due to the higher clock speeds. But with that said, I'm likely still going to be waiting until I can get an X3D version and an 800 series board. I buy high end cards and my next one will most likely use PCI-e 5.0 along with my m.2 drive so I want all the speed and lanes I can get. USB 4 is just a bonus.
It’s not going to beat it because the performance leap is not big enough in IPC and the clock speed is the same as Zen 4. So it will be slower than the 7800x3d in games but faster in productivity.
@@ZackSNetwork you are slow bro
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The problem AMD is gonna have is that Zen 3 and 4 were just so damn good many folks I know myself included are simply sticking with what we have. Lets face it folks, the core wars unlike the Mhz wars quickly sees diminishing returns unless you are doing some serious content creation or heavy number crunching, as for gaming even a 3600 is fine for 1080p and a 5600,5700x, or 5800x regular or 3D can easily handle 1440p so if you aren't seeing any bottlenecks why switch?
Get a 5700x3d and you get 98% of the performance of a 5800x3d for 200usd. I literally just upgraded my 2019 rig with a 3600 and 5700xt to a 5700x3d and a 7900xt. Zero bottlenecking and I am good for another 4-5 years. Also got a new monitor and I’m loving it all.
I’m not switching from 7700x for awhile
If you have a high refresh rate monitor, the 3600 is kinda slow….in fact, the 3600 is better for 1440p and 4K then 1080p
I have a 5900x stock clock and my 6950xt is the bottle neck
Depends on the game@@mrmedium7984
9950x3d will be insane.
But even a 4090 can't keep up with a 5800x3d. In 4k the frame rates are maxed out, gpu bottleneck. So we need faster GPUs to match these new CPUs
@@rkwjunior2298 4090 can absolutely keep up with a 5800xd in most popular titles.
@shrimpwalk8230 it can't. Not in 4k. The GPU will be maxed out in usage and the CPU will be at 20% depending on game
I guess u don't watch gaming benchmarks in 4k
@@rkwjunior2298 I have a 4090 and 13900k in 4K, and can only come up with a couple of games I can actually play I'm bottlenecked by my GPU in.
sometimes I think people get blinded by too much media oversimplification. Anti Lag 2.0 is NOT an upgraded Anti - Lag Plus (a driver only version), it is an upgraded version of Anti Lag 1.0. It still needs to be implemented by the developers. Anti Lag Plus wasn't better, just shifted from an in - game code to driver level code, which got it flagged by anti -cheat software. Anti - Lag 1.0 was never affected by that, and remained available for those games that had it.
I don't think this will actually improve the performance of most games cuz they almost never go above 65W even at max load (of games), so the CPU will easily hit the maximum clock speed of 5.5GHz even without increasing the TDP to 120W.
9800x3d gonna be dank af
Just hope we get DDR6 next generation
@@milo8425 you are not getting ddr6 for another 5-10 years 😆
@@haroona7224I have done research on this topic and it should be available by the start of next year
@@haroona7224tbf we are kind on the 4th year of ddr5, might come out sooner than later tbh
Yeah ddr6 is few years at minimum away @milo8425
hmmmm wanna bet they release both a 65W 9700 and a 120W 9700X? Setting up for a 120W 9800X3d. Might be just some binning going on. . . .
I prefer a "future" 65W 9700 vs the revised 9700X. For me the change that AMD is making to the 9700X is stupid. Why change the 9700X TDP to compete with their own 7000 3d series of chips? The people who owns a 7000 series 3d chip won't upgrade to a 120w 9700X... They will upgrade to the 9000 series 3d chips when they come for a bigger performance gain 😅. Just my opinion...
@@migueldiazcastelo2563 or, just skip a generation until there is enough of a difference.
First I should wait for rtx 5090, how it is. Then I could buy one of ryzen 9000 or 9800x3d
I'm surprised they didn't slot in a 9800x with that TDP and increase the price $80...I hope theirs a 9700-vanilla, I'd like a 105watt part.
same with 7800x that doesn't exist so I doubt 9800x will exist
I will probably wait for 9950x to replace my 7900x. I could use some extra cores for the work I do. But I'll also wait for 870E motherboard.
i am going to build a new pc and of course i am willing to wait for the new am5 motherboards with the 9000 series cpu together.
I would wait for the boards in september and I would wait for the 9800x3d.
wait until intel 15th gen release 1st ,rumor is they using 2nm node . Let them cook ,we wait for cheaper price
I’m most likely going to wait for Zen5 and the X870 and 870E motherboard to come out.
I think the newer motherboard and processor will fix the memory controller issues along with being able to overclock. I’m wondering if we will finally be able to run 4 DRR5 sticks at 6000 MHZ. I’ll guess we will find out.
Stupid question maybe but will those games use frame generation on PS5 as they use AMD? Or will they save that for the PS5 Pro?
Frame generation on both PS5 and Xbox Series S/X is available since May. But it's up to developers to implement it in their games. Nexon confirmed First Descendant is coming out on PS5 with FSR and AMD Frame Generation, which means Sony isn't preventing anyone.
@@marciusnhasty Ok, thanks for clarification!
Cranking up the power is such an Intel oven move 🔥 lol I'm sure it won't be nearly as phsycho, but it's still hilarious 😂
if the ryzen 9700x comes in at the same price as the 7800x3d it might be the play
I suspect it'll be $450 just like the 7700X was, which would make it pointless.
I can wait for the boards easily since I'm also waiting for x3d. No problem.
I think the 9700x at 120 tdp is good. They can then make a 9700 with 105 or 65 tdp for cheaper and cooler temps.
I was actually looking forward to the 9700x for the lower TDP... coming from a 4790k that was going to be my upgrade. i literally game in my office, which my office is literally my closet so there not a lot of ventilation.
IMHO there is no reason to wait if you need to build a PC like right now. the 600 series boards are fine. But also there is no reason to upgrade without x3d
Since I‘m on a ryzen 5000 series I am gonna wait for both.
Which means I wont be upgrading til Fall, cuz I was planning to buy 7600 and 870/870E MB to tide me over til 9000x3s released
You state there’s no big difference between X670E and X870E, but you might get better memory overclocking, or hell, you might can run 4 sticks on AM5 with X870E, but I could be totally off the mark here
X870e won't make 4 sticks of ddr5 work well It will help 2 sticks run faster though.
@@theheroofourtime3578 Ok, that seems like a valid point. Will X870E have more layers on the PCB to allow higher memory speeds or just more mature BIOS updates?
@@Kapono5150most of the b650 and x670 have ridiculous vrms. Unless you don't buy some cheap model, we can expect them to last a long time for upgrades. Also the b650 even supports ram speeds upto 7600mhz, 7800mhz. So even if you put in a ryzen 9000 cpu, you should be able to use faster ram and get some extra performance.
@@Riyozsu Last week I bought an X670E Asus Crosshair Hero. So I absolutely hope it last a long time
Why not do it on the 9800X3D?? That's the sweet spot.
Because the extra cache limits overclocking. That memory overheats very easily, so you can't just jack up the power.
@@selohcin that was the sweet spot for the 5800x and 7800x.
I probably won't wait 3+ months for X870. Will get a cheap B650 and populate it with 8600G and DDR5 for my AM5 system and then get X870(E) (B850?) if required...maybe Nov on Black Friday.
I am waiting for the 9900X3D & X870 for sure. Hopefully, the boost clock of the 9900X3D is similar to 9900X. At the end of the day, the machine is for work. Gaming is secondary for me. I also want the X870 to ensure the RAM - CPU bus is as robust as possible. Hopefully it's possible to have 4 sticks of RAM running at full speed to allow future upgrade.
I'm still running an i7 3700k @ 4.5ghz. Been waiting a long time for USB 4 to be standard and PCI-5 is a bonus...I'll wait until October 😂
if amd can add power to their 9700x to increase proformance with just a random idea. does that mean that they could apply the same thing to their higher end skews and expect the same results?
I am going build a pc with cannibalizing some parts from my current PC. Will just wait until Black Friday deals because of this. I just need memory, CPU and motherboard.
Look at prime day in July. Black Friday hasn’t been the end all be all of deals for the last 5 years anyway.
@@jimdob6528 true. But I really want a new motherboard. My current setup still works but starting to show it's age despite here and there upgrading parts. Currently running intel i9 7920x, Asus rog rampage extreme vi and 64gig ddr4 ram 4 sticks
What i dont get is if the 9950x couldn't beat the 7800x3d why can the 9700x?
Well all i can say is anything i buy must have headroom for overclocking, i still run my core i3 8350k @4.7ghz all cores it can play most of my games no issues with my RTX 3050, BUT i do need to upgrade, i was thinking maybe getting an AM4 board and an x3d chip as Intel want too much and do not offer the best option for me on an upgrade path. If the new 9k series are better i would most likely take AM4 still, my issue despite AMD announcing new chips for the platform is that the choice of motherboards is dwindling rapidly.
Hey, can you give more info about arc gpu??🙄
Welcoming back 95C being normal operating temperatures
lmk when 9000X3D chips launching papa
why 120w? thats sounds a tad much. i think around 90-ish watt would be fine
You know TDP means jack for desktop CPU right?
@@ILoveTinfoilHats Yes, but I think 120 is a little overkill for a non flagship in terms of power consumption and heat. 90ish would be a probably put it close to the current x3d
A 65W 9700X would have been just fine. I guess SFF builders gotta wait for the non x 9700 for that lower TDP, or just get the non x 7700 right now
Man cant wait for amd 9800x3d 🎉
Going to be a good replacement for my 5950x.
Going to be alot of work replacing motherboard and the works.. 😅
Do you think when a PCIE lane becomes X32, they will bring back dual GPU capabilities? Because we will have a X32, X16, X8/X4 for sell 3 PCIE lanes, right? And if it’s PCIE 5 or 6, we should have speeds fast enough to support it.
Why would it? Dual GPU died because latency and parallelization is hard for gaming. More speed doesn't reduce the latency
@@ILoveTinfoilHats not speed, but more bandwidth. Send more data per lane with some increase in speed. A X32 lane can send much more data than a X16 lane. And currently GPU’s now don’t fully saturate a X16 lane for gaming. The reason we have problems (this is only 1 part of the equation) is because we are still using X16 and X8 lanes, correct?
@@monolithtv2871 no not correct. In this context speed = bandwidth that's what I'm talking about. Multi GPU setups for gaming are *not *limited by the PCIe lanes bandwidth so increasing is not going to help. It's the latency that is the problem, the delay between a card requesting information and actually receiving it. Add as many lanes to a highway as you want, but if distance is the problem, not traffic, it won't help.
Espero que ese aumento de TDP tan apresurado no genere errores.
I hope 9950 come quicker.
Since that will pull 7800X3D price down and I can buy it cheaper.
Call me a boomer but i feel like there's an oversaturation of "performance tech" like 3 different upscalers, frame gen, anti lag, reflex, blah blah, i miss the old days when the new card was just faster than the old card
30th of september when I buy. Maybe. I want 3 NVMe as standard, no fiddling with adapters or any BS. On mATX.
Conundrum in contemplating pushing aside my B550 5900x/DDR4/PCIE4 in favor of X870 9900x/DDR5/PCIE5... for no good reason at all. This one has more than enough power for everything I do... geez am I mentally defective?
In the same boat as you, my friend. Debated on upgrading to 7800x3D and 64gb DDR5 for a cheap $350 (local microcenter deal). I think I'll just wait.
@6:55 Yes, Frame Generation uses like AI, interpolation of points and 3D geometry to generate a correlated movement, so if you remove enough frames, the interpolation will suffer artifacts; but still can get performance by limiting the FPS to 60+ with Adrenalin Chill, these will prevent getting the GPU to a find its binding FPS, so you get more smoother Frame Transitions; so the GPU works a little more with another part of itself: The Frame generation Engine, while more work is done in the Pipeline with the other engines, which fills the pipeline, and in the end the GPU stockpiles work, and then can save energy by throttling itself, it's really good
Y’all I’m desperate, I’ve been wanting to get the GPD Win Max 2 for about a year already however with strix point and lunar lake coming out, if GPD decides to use these it could mean a lot better battery life/better fps. Continuing to wait when I can already buy one is SO hard especially not being able to use it during the summer. My question is, does anyone think GPD will use strix point or lunar lake for the devices soon or is it not worth waiting even longer?
at computex they said in september multi times
wrong
@@SkibToiletLovr JUST WAT AND SEE THEN
AND EVERY TUBER WHO ATTENDED THE EVENT SAID IN SEPTEMBER LINUS- PAUL -TECH POWER UP -BITWIT AND MENY MORE.
@@SkibToiletLovrproof?
@@SkibToiletLovr I was right AMD has delayed the launch of its Ryzen 9000 CPUs ("Zen 5") to August 15th, with a possibility to ship slightly earlier, due to a non-specific inability to meet "quality expectations. straight from gammers nexus. "mic drop."
With frame generation it is a bit more... lets say it like this: There is a reason why you find constant references to Intel and Nvidia when you go through all the gpuOpen stuff (hint: They provided the actual research and development of the proof of concepts for those things).
Nvidia had temporal interpolation for years but that was not meant for realtime cause it simply took too much performance to get decent results. And we can see that with FSR as only now it started looking decent while also not really improving performance on lower cards anymore. Turns out: Yeah, doing more than simple upscaling takes resources and performance.
Will there be a good ITX motherboard this time? We shall see...
I will wait for the X870E MB's.
9000 series feel like 14th gen refresh for Intel. Incremental upgrade and the same thing. If you are already on 7000 AMD series, skip this and just get the last one. Moores law is dead already released rumors about Zen 6 “Medusa”.
I'll make a 9950X build. Definitely not wating for the 800 motherboards
I am waiting for the 9900X3D but i got myself a X670E Motherbord.
so? is that bad?
@@in-xm1py yes it is! ... No really why should it be bad? Why should i buy myself an X670E Mainboard if i think it would not be a good idea? I am only answering the Question. ;)
Anyway I wait for the 9th-Gen and Facts about them when the first official and indipendent tests circulate and one can see what obvisiously the new CPU's brings for us....
Thanks, dude.
3:09 i made the update in the AMD Adrenaline Software, but i rolld back because i had problems with Fortnite.
Polite feedback - Your microphone is incredibly quiet. I listen to 99% of youtubers on volume "2", I've had to put yours to 10 to hear you.
Okay, so yes. Im gonna wait on my MB upgrade till 8xx series boards coming out. And yes I am going to wait till the 9xxx x3d series cpus are released. Its just too close to the release dates at this point. Even if you waited and bought what you would now in a few months you would be way better off waiting just another month or two. In my opinion anyways...
X870 will have an unattractive pricing. AMD doesn't want that high price connected to new CPU release.
Kind of buy our new, not so improved (for regular desktop or gaming) CPU for a reasonable price. Then do with the MB whatever fits you.
Definitely wait for X3D and MB release to see the full picture. Which won't be pretty at first is my guess.
why companies dont do new technology to the most bought or played game all those games together dont even match fortnite or warzone
i will be using my x670e with Ryzen 9000
I have. 7600x. -30 curve machine runs everything great
I am forced to use a no limits 12700kf with water cooling and it feels slower. Why lmao
Oh this is very bad it means 9700x3d is delayed by A LOT ...
4:59 AMD just want everyone not to buy Nvidia's latest GPU's.
That's why RTX 2000 and RTX 3000 are supported for FSR 3+
Even if consumer don't buy AMD GPU they can still benefit from FSR 3+
even while Nvidia limits their consumers with DLSS 3 to buy latest GPU'S..
- - - - It says DISABLE ANTI-LAG ... NOT Anti-Lag 2 !!! So MAYBE that's the confusion.... Anti-Lag still exists, it's in the driver/adrenaline software..... but anti-lag 2 is only enabled IN GAME.... so that is MOPST LIKELY WHAT THEY MEANT??? 🤷♂
So, AMD will tune the 9600X to 120W too?
NO just the 9700x
i'M DEFINITELY waiting for the new 870E boards to pair with whatever 9000 series CPU I choose.
I recently got the big C, so this is my very last PC upgrade. The 5090 GPU too of course : )
I refuse to go out with anything else ... I cannot take $'s with me lol ... and I will probably only just make it $-wise to buy my last beast : )
All worth it !!!
Cheers World !!!
USB4 is the reason to get a new AMD board, especially if you didn't invest in AM5 yet.
but if I did get AM5 I dont think it would be worth it yet. wait for lower prices, maybe.
Newer boards would have better memory controllers, for faster RAM and more stability.
9800X3D goin to kill IT !! esp if it O.C. well.
Please someone tell AMD to add Conqueror's Blade to FSR ❤
Hey guys let's freak out because we can't get 185 fps instead of 175.
Just bought a 7800X3D. Looks like I'll have to return it then.
Don't
I was also thinking of buying the 7800x3d. But I can wait
Why? The 7 extra frames won't make a difference
patience always wins
@@alvydasjokubauskas2587 Paitence never lead anywhere because you'll always be waiting. I just bought it because I got it for about 260 USD. I think I might be able to sell it with a profit though since it cost almost 400 USD new here in sweden usually due to high tax.
To answer your question I don’t know what I want so I’m a wait till it all gets older and all the products are available and all the testing is done then make my decision just before the next new generation comes out🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️😂
what an L. significantly increase power draw and heat to beat the 7800x3d by less than 5%. The 9700x was going to be one of the most efficient chips you could buy with similar performance to a 7800x3d at much lower power draw...
Do people really need such a strong cpu for gaming ?
will be the slowest release yet then
Waiting for new motherboards with flat memory
lol cant wait for the 9800x3d to be 5-10% faster than the 9700x and cost $150 more
Why must AMD always f*ck up their product stack consistency? The X sku should have meant high TDP and the non-X should have meant 65W from the start. If they want to be foolish and try to squeeze 3% more performance from 100% more power draw thats fine, but don't create contradictions and paradoxes within your product offerings.
Using a Ryzen 9 7950 X3D with a RTX 4080. No need to upgrade for a long time. Eats 4k gaming with no sweat and stays cool.
because 4k gaming is bottlenecked by gpu 😂
you would need like rtx 5090 to see the actual difference in the CPUs
Since I still game on 1080p@60hz, I'm fine with ryzen 2600 and rx6600. Tnx anyway AMD, might see you again in a few years 😅
Its really stupid for 9700x to have increased tdp to beat the 7800x3d because the 9800x3d will beat both of them at lower power consumption. Let the 9700x be an efficient productivity chip and let the 9800x3d be get the gaming crown.
na not gonna wait for a new motherboard, will get it all in 1 go, latest motherboard should be fine
i need me some lanes
9800X3D will be great!
Not as great as the 9950X3D
its ok, 7800x3d is a beast.
I’ve to save money for my pc upgrade also I don’t upgrade regularly so I want something worth while. I do have a desktop and laptop that both can game pretty good.
Going to buy an X870E board with 9800x3d with 64gb ddr5 with and nvme ssd.
Currently on a 10 year old i7 4930k thats been having blue screens issues (probably ram) again. It has 32gb of ddr3 so yeah pretty big upgrade.
I’ll keep using my 3070 till a good upgrade comes out.
Have you found a bottleneck for your gpu being a pcie4.0 card in a 3.0 mb? I'm sure you could get more out of that 3070 on a newer board
@@rasluffi well I’m sure my cpu is the bigger bottle neck than my pcie slot at the moment.
AMD has to compete with itself coz Intel is not even a competitor anymore lol, the only thing Intel has is its market share which was build by older Gen cpus
I would love some 9700G, but it won't exist
Maybe later
My 7500f needs an upgrade
wasting money...
@@lorandsimon1 its just money easy to aquire
my man, too much twitchy movement. sort of distracting.
interesting.
Hello gamer meld
People, waiting gonna just buy intel when they see performance benchmarks
AMD, gieb RYzen 5 and 7 variant of the ai 300.
FSR has at least for me been a complete letdown, yes there ar performance gains but the game looks awful with it, especially the text
Typical results after people watch gm , next year the processor and cpu will be better, so just wait.
cpus are comming out not next month but 1st week of aug
Should just have a gaming mode 120w, and a non gaming mode 65w.
I don't think this will actually improve the performance of most games cuz they almost never go above 65W even at max load (in games), so the CPU will easily hit the maximum clock speed of 5.5GHz even without increasing the TDP to 120W
Except, you know, gaming generally doesn't stress out all of the cores on a CPU with 6 cores more more.
So, it's already likely below the max TDP.
And productivity workloads... do stress all cores available so you'd be... arbitrarily limiting the power available when you *actually* need it most.
On AMD, the lower junction temperature (vs Intel) is generally the limiting factor. Giving it more power when it's already thermal throttling is certainly a decision one could make? (just not a good one)
@@atirta777 Just saying, if they plan to lock it at 120w, I'd rather they just gave you a option between the 2.
@@VRIceblast TDP doesn't mean power consumption, it's only the limit. You can change the limit in the BIOS like always before. Even if the limit is 120W the CPU does NOT use more than 65W almost ever, other than in rendering tasks.
USB 4 ………. MEH!