What the BIG FUEL companies DON'T WANT you to know
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- The FUEL companies HAVE A SECRET -they don't want shared!! SEE why I was REJECTED 4 times by Major companies. STIHL, RED MAXX, ECHO, VP, Tru Fuel, Aspen and pump fuels
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I can honestly say... I've never seen anyone perform a test that included an open flame in close proximity to 10 canisters of highly flammable fuel, including open containers.
And in the garage, no less. 🤦🤦
Yeah...I was cringing like crazy...
😂😂🤣🤣🤣😂same thoughts here too
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..inside a wooden boat... ⛵ 🤔
Project Farm would run it in the engine and show the results of what it does on the insides. He's done that with all kinds of crazy fuel for his poor lawn mower.
It would be interesting to see the results in an actual running engine where where high pressure, higher temperatures and increased air flow could affect results.
Precisely. These tests were flawed (not to mention dangerous). He lit a puddle on a plate at atmospheric pressure, and room temperature. Yet in an engine, the fuel is pressurized, atomized, and heated way above room temperature.
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I'm thinking that in a running engine, what's left on the plates would be burned as well. Not all 100%, but most of it. There would still be unburned deposits left, and this test does in some regard show which ones would leave more or less to the others. I agree with Stanley, looks like another Project Farm engine test!😆
We know the fuel gets into the cylinder and cause that explosion, you always see residue on the valves top of piston. So is he just showing a cleaner burn
@@LynxStarAuto there would be even more residue due to reduced oxygen. Open burn is basically a lean run in most lawn equipment.
I've been running the Aspen 2 in my saws daily falling trees for our logging operation. I mainly switched so I didn't have to breath in all that crap that's put in pump gas. I'm very happy with it and yes it is worth every penny for me to stay healthier. No more headaches from gas fumes.
ADVICE: Ten plus bucks a quart is obscene. If you run through a lot, simply mix 5 gallons at a time, use the ethanol free premium option not for the octane, but because the refinery is aware that the expectation is that this gas perform better than regular. Use KLOTZ 2-stroke at 50:1. There are other really great synthetic 2-stroke oil options (Amsoil, Spectro, Yamalube, et.,al) but I've used mostly Klotz with zero trouble. Then transfer into smaller containers for jobsite use. Yes it's a hassle you'll have to deal with every month or so, but waaaay cheaper, and you empower yourself with the fate of your 2-stroke equipment.
Hey Stan, love the videos and I don't want to be a troll but... Alkaloid is a functional organic group including morphine, quine and many others, most are naturally occurring plant based molecules with a nitrogen group. Aspen fuels have alkylate, this is the family of molecules named for the refining process they go through. Three components in typical fuels are parafins, olifins and aromatics, single bonds, double bonds and closed rings respectively. All hydrocarbons no nitrogen. The specialty fuels are engineered for very specific properties like detonation, energy per volume, vapor pressure and many others. Way too complicated for a comment. Shoot me a message if you'd like to know more I used to work for one of those big oil companies that shut you out. Probably more marketing departments that didn't want "secrets" exposed rather than the fuel company hiding a bad product.
Right, and fuel buring in open air, without the proper AFR, I'm sure makes a huge difference 😀
This whole “experiment” was dumb af. From his non standardized cap measurements, to his turning the camera off to reburn the pump gas. He didn’t even realize the pump gas burned cleaner at first. Then the pump gas plate magically reappears with considerably more carbon on it and he doesn’t mention that he re burned it.. he had to insert that clip in of him “explaining” that pump gas plate when he realized how obv that was in editing.. I’m guessing that company gave him those 55g drums to do a video, which to no ones surprise he botched. “I’ve been researching this for 2 years” and you don’t know the difference between an alkaloid and the alkylate fuel you are promoting??? Gimme a break it should have taken you 2 days with any device connected to the internet to come up with an experiment like this.. but yea it probably does take him 2 years to do what a normal man can intellectually do in 2 days. Dudes a little slow.... Which made this video even funnier!
@@ryanwilkinson571 yeah right, guys a little slow hey? Guy runs 4 crews, has multiple successful businesses, owns or part owns 4 different properties from last count, started from nothing at a young age to now having 717k subscribes. Mean while your sitting in your mum's basement trolling people that get off their ass and have a go. Yeah he is no scientist but at least it started a conversation
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So, do you work for VP? Seem to be a little sensitive about the results of the experiment for some reason.
@@oldtimefarmboy617 lol vp? I’m assuming that was one of the companies in the video?? No I don’t . it’s the lack of awareness/intelligence on dirt monkeys part that gets me!!
I use aviation fuel (100LL) in all of my small engines. Right now it's about $7.00 per gallon here in the northern part of Houston, TX area. I think it's the best fuel you can buy for small engines.
I have been a small engine mechanic for about 25 years, I only run 93 octane with a Oz per gallon of seafoam. It's good up to six months. I use Tru fuel for long term storage. I use 93 not because of the compression of the engine, but because of the heat these small engines run at. I highly recommend using 93 in a chop saw, chain saw, because they run super hot. Just my experience
You mix seafoam instead of a 2-stroke oil?
@@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259. You add seafoam to the oil/gas mix for a 2 cycle
That high of a octane is completely pointless, you're just going to lose horsepower, you want the lowest octane e-free fuel that you can get away with without detonation and even with high compression ported chainsaws 87 is typically plenty. It's not the fuel you need to be concerned with when it comes to heat, it's the OIL
@@williamwallace962093 does really good at burning more carbon and reducing carbon buildup, but you are correct on heat.
The real question is, when you bring your wife’s plates back in after covering them in gasoline and lighting them on fire, is she going to throw a half cap full of each fuel on you to see the results?
Or I can just hide them 🤷♂️ Lol
@@Dirtmonkey For the record Nikki loves Stanley and she will forgive him for this. Besides she knows she gets to buy new plates tomorrow!
how does it effect the bbq taste, Is it like what Louisiana calls blackened snapper
Ummm does Nikki know you borrowed her dishes for your test? 😂😂😂
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Well, Stan, the only thing you could have done is measure the fuels with a hypodermic needle or, weighed them out on a triple beam scale. But, the visual was enough to convince me.
I agree with you. I would LOVE to see Project Farm do a comparison of these fuels. He's excellent at testing stuff.
Thanks for the education. 👍
I feel like Cylinder pressure, combustion temperatures, and O2 levels at burn rate play a factor.
I can only go off my experiences with Trufuel. Roughly 3 years ago I switched to Trufuel for all of my 2 stroke equipment (4). Since then, I've had ZERO issues with starting and sitting over winter. Until it fails me, I will continue to run it. Thanks for the video!
same with me. haven't replaced a carb or diaphragm since switch
Stabilizes well but is crappy fuel. Non ethanol 90 octane+ fuel and synthetic oil like Amsoil or Echo Red Armor. Works great for fleets. Every machine starts in the spring just fine.
I mix a 50:1 can with a 40:1 can to end up with 45:1 final ratio of Tru fuel, no problems!
@workingcountry1776 why is it crappy fuel?
How about trying out coleman fuel they use this in lamps and camp stoves. This is a clean burning fuel that the maker of my weed wacker recommends.
It would have been nice to see the premix oil, and mixed with 91+ no ethanol. Been running true fuel on a whacker and hi test no corn to 48:1 on the toys for years with no problem. Project farm would bring objective quality evidence to the table.
Who carries alkaline fuel?
Great video. Our Fire Department started using engineered fuel 5 years ago with great success. Before we used our own mix.and had troubles starting our saws. Old fuel was our problem. We now have near O problems.
Awesome sauce
I was always told to run at least 92-94 octane fuel in high performance tools. Always ran it on motorcycles and chainsaws and never a problem. Great job breaking down and testing. Thank you
Good stuff!
Hello Stan... interesting video . A couple things to add....if you notice... majority of these fuels come in a metal container....this is a critical point....gasoline stored in plastic cans lose octane substantially over a short time... especially if the can is in the sun . Another thing to consider...most people buy the lowest octane gas...price being a factor as well....here's what people do wrong....the higher the octane rating....the cooler the engine runs...most people believe the opposite...thinking higher octane runs hotter . Another thing to point out...oil actually increases octane levels to a minor extent .
As far as the fuels you mentioned....I couldn't justify $35 a gallon...or even the $23 for the other . Before I went to that extreme... I'd probably consider buying a drum of race fuel...and it would be cheaper and be better performing....and it's in a 55 gallon drum(metal) ...or you could experiment with the 5 gallon cans . Years back we used Sunoco 116 race fuel in the race quads and race car...I had to blend the quads fuel with pump gas....you could run a race and the exhaust pipes on the banshee were cool enough to put your hands on them within a minute . The only other thing to consider would be the additives to put in your pump gas that protects from the ethanol and varnish...the one from Lucas works well . Take these thoughts with a grain of salt . I've been a mechanic since 86.. semi's..cars..trucks..quads..you name it....I've had little to no issues with fuel...I just follow what I find works for me...good luck with your fuels
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Chris you suggesting to buy race fuel with high octane in 55 gal an mix just for my 2 stroke stuff in metal cans an it will run my engine cooler? If so I will .. thank you.
After my first carb rebuild on my Stihl FS65 trimmer 15 years ago I started using the Stihl fuel. Never had a problem since. Also use the Aspen when I can find it for all my small engines.
Niiice 👍
Great video. Never heard of the alkylate fuels.
Also, I will say that made me nervous when you light plates so close to gas can with no cap in place. Notice when you light plate number 1and it jumps to plate number 2, and possibly even on 7 & 8, which is in the vicinity of the open gas can. Anyways, just a safety observation if you ever run this test again, provide more space between plates and fuel containers.
I've never used the engineered fuel and have always mixed my own, but those have me re-thinking. Especially with the shelf life! Thanks for sharing 👍
Hey man! This is so true. In Europe we use motomix and aspen aswel. Is so much better for machinery and your health. In forestry they are actually obliged to use these fuels in forests when cutting trees!
Great video. For what it's worth, I'm 50 yrs old and have been using klotz technoplate 2 stroke and the synthetic super technoplate 2 stroke oil mixed 65:1 with 100 percent hi octane gas and I've never blown an engine. My son put 3 years of hard racing, practice racing and lots of weekend trail riding on a big bore yz85. We tore it down after the end of the 3rd race season and you would not believe how clean everything was and the only sign of wear was on the rings but only on the exhaust side because cylinder tilts forward towards the exhaust. I ran the same fuel in my chainsaw and weedeater for almost 13 years without ever 1 issue. Never changed a spark plug, never had to clean out exhaust or anything. They ran awesome and did when I sold them due to the big D. Anyways I'm not the only one that can testify to how clean and well Klotz works but it is a very finicky oil if not mixed correctly. I started out at 40:1 and fouled plugs within the hour. I kept going up in 05:1 increments until I got to the 65:1 ratio that didn't have issues. At 60:1 we could race a month then it would foul a plug. Thought I'd share that with you
Always great content Stan. Although I do disagree with your findings, I prefer to look at the bright side of this topic. That is if the head potato in charge keeps screwing with the gas prices any longer, it will be more cost effective to fill up my truck at Wal-Mart in the TruFuel aisle.
its sadly getting to be that way
Biden is a A-Hole !!!
Never buy a used 2stroke anything that has been used on a construction site. Other than straight gasoline, the quickest way to kill that 2 stroke is not letting the engine warm up before loading down the engine. Once it runs with out the choke, it's full throttle and get it done.
As much cord wood that I produce in a year, I'd go broke spending $5-$8 per quart of gas. Plus, throwing away all those single-use metal cans seem like such a waste. I always used 91 pump gas with a quality T2 pre-mix oil. My chainsaws are 10+ years old and most of them still running on their original piston and ring(s).
That's what I was thinking too! How hard is it to mix 8 ounces of oil into 2.5gal of Non-Ethanol premium Gasoline? I could buy another Chainsaw, literally, each season.
@@robmack151 where do you find non ethanol gas out of a pump?
@@shaunkelly9053 there's an app for that lol. Just depends in your location.
@@kernelbadness I’m in California.
@@shaunkelly9053 oh sorry for that
In the UK most machinery dealerships are now using ASPEN as their default fuel to replace the stale unleaded fuel in machinery. The dealership I work at does this to every machine that is serviced or has a fuel issues and we have noticed that the storage shed we place the completed mowers doesn't have that smell you usually smell when machines are full of regular pump fuel. You also notice that if someone has been using Alkalyte fuels in a new mower that the carbon deposits around the exhaust are virtually non existent, compared with a similar age machine running on regular pump fuel.
I appreciate the time and effort you put in to the testing. I wished i would known this years ago before i destroyed several weed eaters. Just converted to battery operated this year
YOUR MISSING THE HOLD PART OF FUEL FOR 2 & 4 CYCLE ENGINES, IT'S ALSO A LUBRICANT FOR LUBERTICITY.. WITHOUT LUBERTICITY THE ENGINES WILL RUN DRY, HEAT UP AND BURN UP.... LUBERTICITY WILL CAUSE SOOT. THE QUALITY AND AMOUNT OF THE LUBRICANT WILL RELATE TO THE SOOT.
JUST OFF THE CUFF, LOOK AT DIESEL ENGINES, SOOT IS THEIR LUBRICANT.
I'm in Washington state and I work as a small engine mechanic. We sell the aspen fuel at our shop. We always support aspen fuel no matter what.
As a chemical engineer, this “test” makes me die inside a bit. That are too many reasons to cover in a simple message about why this test is not representative of how fuel burns in an engine, sorry.
the worst part of this is that people will believe this, good info-bad info does not seem to matter anymore,
Ditto^
Its a simple test with simple results. Here is another simple test for you. Try shutting the F up with negative horse schit and feel the difference ;^)
@@wllwll-zh7ig it’s a meaningless test and people need to be aware of that. Your argument is compelling though, clearly you’re a man of science.
@@wllwll-zh7ig Paul Harrison is correct. And his comment was not disrespectful, only your response. Which tells more about your shortfalls than his. Regardless, how would you feel if non-professionals made honest, but erroneous comments about how you're pumping out portable toilets? This test is not accomplished under actual conditions for which the fuel is designed. It is in no way representative of how a fuel performs under a mixture of entirely different environmental conditions including temperature, compression, air-fuel mixture, pressure and loads. In addition, the engine design, proper maintenance and more will cause a variance in reactions. Sometimes we scientist, engineers, chemists and other experts may know more about things they've studied and worked with for years.
LOVE Project Farm. Hopefully he tests the fuels further. Thanks Stan for the awesome content as always!
Rule No. 1: always check Project Farm's videos before buying tools :D
@projectfarm doesn't do shill videos like this, granted i didnt think dirtmonkey did either till now. He definitely doesn't lite gasoline next to gas cans....
He did a video 3 years ago on TruFuel.
I think the cost of those fuels simply out way the cost of most equipment. Pus those are designed to leave behind unburnt lube or oil. What needs to be done is an evaluation like Project Farm does by measuring the lubrication of the oil left behind, that's what matters the most. As for the gas cans refill issue, that could easy be solved by multiple gas cans. A simple trick to get rid of ethanol in gas is to pour about 10 percent water in the can. Shake the can then let it settle 3 to 4 hours. Ethanol is water soluble and since water is also not readily soluble in gas, the water mixture at the bottom can be syphoned out. It's best to use a clear jug with a clear tube in the cap with a simple shutoff value. Tip the jug over with cap and tube at the bottom, open the value until the water is gone then quickly shut it off. It's stupidly easy.
Cool tip thanks for sharing!
that is very interesting, will have to see how much tome that takes that I dont have. More cost productive to put the righ fuel in the hands of people who dont thin k for a living and just there to get the job done
There isn't a piece of equipment that will benefit enough with $25-35/gal fuel. That's insane. Just buy EtOH free gas.
Tim great way to generate ethanol fuel but the ethanol is a octane booster so you need to add an octane booster to your self made ethanol free fuel or you will not generate the power of the original octane level prior to removing the ethanol. Luckily in Canada we can still easily purchase no ethanol fuel but now only at 91 Octane. Whenever we do carb cleanings on customers equipment at Eliminator Performance we test the fuel and if it has any ethanol or looks or smells degraded we drain it off and install our 91 Octane no ethanol fuel with K100S+ stabilizer made in the USA. We sell lots of the alkylate fuels to our customers for end of the season storage which actually has cut down on our annual service and repairs because this equipment starts right up, but in the long run has generated more customers from word of mouth advertising.
@@littlejackalo5326 Like Stanley says it stops him from buying a $1k concrete saw annually and it is a great product to use for end of the season storage you only need one can or a half a can.
Awesome video and information!!! I run the stihl mix currently but I am blown away by Aspen 2!!!! Will definitely try it out!!! Thank you very much for the time that you put into this, I really appreciate it!!!
the main reason why I got Aspen 2 stroke in the 5 liter containers at home for my chainsaw and trimmer... because I can store it for longer than other things and it burns cleaner... always funny how clean other chainsaws get after running this stuff for like two or three weeks after being run on homemade mix... how much residue is actually being removed by switching fuel... sure it does not clean it totally but it helps to get it perform better (and even when it isn't meant to clean the enginge, it helps remove a lot of crap inside)
by the way at first Husqvarna promoted the use of Aspen 2 and 4 stroke in Austria and Germany for several years before they switched over to their own fuel a few years back... kinda weird that they did that but hey... marketing... you never know why they do things
and not sure if the US-husqvarna fuel is the same as in Austria but I am happy that our company still sells Aspen
I run 100LL aviation fuel (100 octane low lead) with all carbureted engines. It has a 3 year shelf life and is wonderful. I mix my own 2 stroke with the 100LL and never have carb issues. I like the idea of engineered but will stick with the known... and av gas is still only $6.75/gal where I'm at in AZ. Just be sure to NOT use av gas in anything with catalytic converter.
Project Farm did a CZcams on 2 cycle oil that's worth watching. Up here in Alberta we have the Aspen's and such but their absurdly expensive. For the past 5 years I.ve been using the Petrocanada Ultra 94 octane and adding the Amsoil 2 cycle oil. It's been working great but we do drain our summer equipment. I had read that the alcohols (Methanol, and Ethanol) were not great for small engines so use "hi Test" fuel as a result. As well we make up just 6 months supply at a time. Serious savings to cost and mechanic has noticed reduced frequency of shop visits.
Just sayin'
Where I live in BC the only fuel available here that is ethanol free is Chevron 94. Be careful, just because the octane is higher at the pump does not mean it's ethanol free.
It took me 6 months as a full-time OPE service tech to figure it out back in the day. This was back when the ethanol blends were coming out; everyones carburetor & fuel system was failing due to "sugar and water". The government does not want "clean fuel/pure-fuel" for general public use.
Yes ethanol free gas pump stations are few and far between.Not worth traveling 75 miles for.I use true fuel mix or just the ethanol free stuff at home chemo for 20 dollars a gallon and add amsoil 50:1 mix.Good questions today.
@@peterwill3699 there are tones of ethanol free gas stations in Wisconsin.
This is good info. I only run my own mix or Stihl fuel. I run the Stihl fuel right before the winter so I do not have to put stabile in the gas
a lot of people do that. smart
thats why I only mix my mixed gas a gallon at a time in a small safety can if I need more I can pour a gallon of regular fuel into the gallon container it keeps things simple
Simple is best 🙌
I don’t always light plates on fire, but when I do I make sure to do it inside a wooden garage… 😹
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I used to clean the screen inside my carburetor on my trimmer at the beginning of every season. Since I started buying that cheap box house brand no more trouble like that. Not doing this for a living that's a win in my book.
Aussie here, thanks for making this video, I've never had anyone ever inform me of this, I love our Bunnings here in Australia, their great but until your video I never knew there were pre-mixed versions of fuels.
I worked for a dealer and had never seen this stuff! Now I will recommend it very highly!
Cool beans!
You should do a test where you leave some of each fuel out to evaporate and show how much varnish is left. The pump gas looks pretty clean in this test, but it should have the most varnish after it dries, which is what gums up the carburators.
Good idea
I was thinking that the blacker the plate was meant ther was more burned up varnish...No?
Yep.. Project farm is very informative and interesting to watch.. Thanks Stan..
Crazy I had no idea. As a maintenance freak this is extremely valuable comparison! Thanks for this analysis!
Great Vid!
I drive an extra 20mins to get ethanol free gas for my cars and toys. Ethanol will destroy your engine over time. My 5.4-2V has over 300K miles and runs better than my friends newer trucks and I believe it's cause I run better gas. I do pay a higher price, but I have less repairs
yep- good gas is worth it. I also try and use ethanol free fuel
Ive been in lawn care for 20 years and i have never drained the tanks on my equipment and never had an issue. I always run my 2cycle mix completely out before i refill the jug. I just used gas that was in a can for 2 years and the mower ran perfect so.....
Anyway good video.
Nice 👌
What zip code are you near? It makes a bit of a difference. What I can get away with in Jacksonville FL is wildly different than what I can get away with in Albuquerque, vs what I can get away with in Bangor Maine.
Short is. Know your fuel. (just like know your holes). And know your kit.
@stan was that pump gas raw? Or 10% etOH ? If so, ethanol will burn cleaner out the gate, but quickly kills for other reasons.
If you redo this test, and you should, let the plates cool and then wipe each one off with a white coffee filter and store on a metal tray. Stick those in a freezer. Then look at them next day and burn them after feeling them by hand.
That will tell you the full story.
Saw a video from ‘Chicanic’ with small engine problems due to pre mix canned fuel. This video gives much more detail! Appreciate the eye opener!
Glad it helped!
Yeah she swears by the Red Armor !!
Big thumbs up. Next level project farm. 👍👍👍
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My takeaway from this -- Run pump gas/oil mix in a chainsaw during the primary cutting season, then switch to the Aspen 2 for the off-season.
Don't throw money away on canned gas when you're running the saw on a weekly basis. But if the saw might be sitting for months until a hurricane blows up, keep it topped off with a good canned gas.
Why not just stabilize your fuel?
My saws (quickie and chain saw) sit for months and years before I use them again and they run fine.
Well said 🙌
@@evictioncarpentry2628 According to Taryl over on Taryl fixes all, fuel stabilizers are snake oil.
@@Dirtmonkey WELL SAID??? Didn’t you just do 2 years of research which led you to “buy” 3 55 gallon drums @ 5x the price of pump gas????
@@ryanwilkinson571 Dude, your one of the biggest trolls I’ve seen on here in awhile. You must be one of those troubled neighbors that cause problems we’ve heard and seen on one of these videos. Smh
I can’t help but think that the cost of those cans versus the savings you would have pre-mixing it yourself would be enough that you could buy several pieces of equipment at the end of the year. From what you said the cost was per quart that is a $20-$30 a gallon savings premix it yourself. At the rate of the fuel that you probably use that’s a big difference at the end of the year. And no dirtier than the plate was from pre mixing it yourself I don’t think it causes that much problem with the engine. At the end of the year when you get ready to store it then use the premixed cans a couple of times before you put them up
Legit, exactly what I do. At the start and end of the season I use TruFuel or Husqvarna premixed and mix myself with Echo Red Armor oil throughout the season. Make sure to keep the equipment clean every few weeks and change plugs when need, I've had exactly zero issues with any of my equipment over the past 5 seasons.
Thank you my friend. May God bless you.
I think you ordering that Aspen fuel by the drum is a no brainer. %100 great idea. It doesn't take long to go through a gallon of premix with an operation like yours and having a drum full of it will pay off.
Hey Stanley, just wondering since you didn’t mention it at all in the video. But in two stroke fuels whether pre mixed or engineered there is always oil or other lubricant added because two strokes don’t have an oiling system. The lubrication for all of the bearings and piston in cylinder comes from the left over residue of the oil once the fuel is burnt away. I agree fully that pump fuel goes bad way to fast and it is great that the engineered fuels have longer shelf life’s but two strokes are not a “clean burning engine” I’d like to see a deeper video on the effects to the fuel under high pressure combustion situations versus atmospheric pressure burning on a plate. Because the more or less soot on a plate could come from the different recipes these companies use for there fuels and type of lubricant. Could be synthetic lubricant vs dinosaur bone lubricants leaving more or less soot. So to a guy that wants his engines to last, high octane fuel and a good 2stroke oil for mixing can still ensure enough lubricant for a long life. Loved the test you came up with tho, keep up the good videos.
Agree, the left over is the oil for lubricant of the internal engines components.
While watching the video, I was wondering if the left over residue was really a negative thing for 2-strokes. I don't agree with the high octane fuel part, but this comment should be higher. In my area, we use high octane in small engines, not because of it being high octane, but rather it is usually ethanol free.
@@greysquare9327 yes! I run a tree service and we stopped running the low grade simply because it doesn’t last. Switched to premium in everything now.
So doesn’t this negate a lot of the thermodynamics of an engine? Like you were burning this in the presence oxygen, but no where near the pressure inside a cylinder. Different fuels will have different abilities to reach complete combustion, based on which kind of engine they’re designed for. I’m not sure that the soot what you’re showing us here directly translates into something to be concerned about. Thanks for the video regardless.
I thought the same thing. An open flame has to burn cooler than fuel in an internal combustion, which is 2800F on average. When he started this demonstration, I thought - what does this guy know about chemistry and thermodynamics? I'm not an expert but I do have a science background and many things are very counterintuitive unless you have some basic understanding of a particular field. I wouldn't be surprised if this comparison was done under the same conditions as an internal combustion that the results could be totally different.
Yeah it’s like an acetylene torch will smoke and make soot till you turn on the oxygen then it burns clean.
Everything you said is true. But for someone who does not have high dollar test equipment, this is a good and fair test. If one fuel leaves more soot when burned on a plate in the open than another fuel burned on a plate in the open, then it will do the same thing in a running engine.
@@CarswithNash pure oxygen doesn't need acetylene to burn clean, infact it's more explosive with out the acetylene to the point smokers in hospital always end up getting 3rd degree or worse burns while trying to get their fix and having the oxy breathing bottle on and it's not uncommon for them to set the places they are at on fire or blow themselves up. now you know the acetylene is there to control the oxygens rate of burn by dirtying it up just like the fuel additives in canned fuel. you don't need fuel at all if you burn pure oxygen, but then pure oxygen urns like a bomb, and not a controllable fire. #1 grade kerosene is jet fuel, specifically because it burns slower allowing more heating to take place and a jet engine is about 1100º-1350º depending upon idle and full power. you should see the new stealth fighter jets fuels, they have to be super cooled ;)
Yeah its not at all a stoichiometric ratio
I always use pump gas 87 or 93 octane. With 2-cycle mix. When i was mowing 30 yards a week i bought a new stihl commercial back back blower. It took 15 years of commercial use for me to wear it out! I ordered a upper end engine rebuild kit and am using it today with the old original lower end of the engine doing great! Its semi-retired to consumer use @ my house now.
This was a great depiction of we as consumers are buying with no real world understanding. Thank you!
Run a few tank fulls in a push mower and pull the heads after each fuel type. Compare then clean heads and redo next fuel. Might give better comparison. I personally just use regular gas with stabil added. And ethanol free premium for last tank full before winter storage.
Great video, very informative.
Never knew there was that much difference
Thank you Stan.
Happy to share! I'm learning too
Great video Stan, I always use the tru-fuel, but after watching this test you did, I better re- think my thinking 🤔 . Thank you !
Hey Stanley, wow! Great video. We all need to know these things as the prices go through the roof. Thanks!
People that buy it by the quart has absolutely lost their mind for paying that kind of price anyway. Buy good synthetic oil I personally run Amsoil and I love it and non-ethanol fuel and stabilizer it's the same exact thing and it won't go bad over winter and a heck of a lot cheaper
I bought two one gallon cans of the true fuel at home depot after hurricane Michael here in Florida. I used one and a half gallons cutting up trees. Now let me remind you that Michael hit us in 2018. I just pulled out the chainsaw two weeks ago, that had gas in it from 2018, three pulls on my pullan pro, and it fired right up so I could cut a railroad tie in half for the neighbor. It's been in there for almost four years. Never used the product before hurricane Michael. New 18" saw, two gallons of tru-fuel and two quarts of bar oil. I am just now finishing up the rest of the tru-fuel in my new echo 225 without any problems. But, if you have a better suggestion on what would be a better fuel to use, I'm open to suggestions if it would extend the life of the engine and not burn up the piston from lack of lubrication.
I have 2 Husqvarna chainsaws. A 440 and a 435 I bought a year ago. Plus an older Echo leaf blower. I have been using pump gas (premium) with Stabil in it. I just went through cleaning the carb on all three because nothing would start. Actually the blower would start but would barely run above idol. So I went and bought a couple gallons of True Fuel to avoid more problems. Now I'm thinking about taking back the unused can and buying Stihl fuel since it is available where I live. I'm just not sure if Stanley's experiment is grounds for me to do this.
@@dangrimes5078,I wasn't trying to get anyone to buy true fuel, I was just explaining my experience with it after getting hit on October 10th 2018 by a category 5 hurricane Michael. For me it was a need being that the power was out for the majority of the county. It was easier for me to pick up some 50-1 fuel and bar oil for my new chainsaw while they had some in stock at the local home depot.
@@bobbywills9487 I understand but you know I found another channel that tested the different fuels and they also found the Stihl to be the cleanest. Maybe Stihl is best but when a gas clogs up the carberator we aren't even talking about the way it burns right? That's what has me confused. My problem isn't carbon on the piston or exhaust Port. The carberator gets gummed up. I just assumed it was from the ethenol (excuse my spelling, I know it's terrible)
I run moto mix in all the handheld equipment before the go into hibernation for the winter. Starts right up 1st pull come springtime. Didn’t know Aspen made a comparable product for much less. Ill be looking into it. Nice work Stan and DM force 💪🏻💪🏻
Stan, This was very interesting, found it helpful, especially for those in lawncare and construction. Keep those videos coming.
As a home owner /light contractor with 2 stroke. I went from from guessing on mixing my own to premix now electric.
Yep I am doing my research and it looks like the Ego 56v 52" zero turn with (6) 12ah batteries for $7K will fit my needs and the no oil, no oil filter, no fuel, no fuel filter, no bad fuel, no carb, air filter, no belts, no spark plugs, no grease, just plug in the day before and if you need more run time just pop another battery in.
How do you like electric in comparison to your previous equipment?
@@RossMalagarie grease doesn't have anything to do with gas vs electric. If an electric doesn't have grease fittings, that should be a sign of a problem. $7k for a Chinese home owner lawn mower is insane. Then you need to buy $3k worth of new batteries every few years.
@@littlejackalo5326 no grease zerts on the spindles because there are no spindles on electric, because there are no belts on electric 😎👍
Everyone has different needs, and budgets, I trim around trees on 7 acres, takes about 6hrs, the main parts are cut with a John Deere Tractor with a bush hog I currently cut the (2) half acre yards with a John Deere 54" zero turn in about 45mins. Like I said different people different needs.
Also Ego has a 42" 56v battery zero turn of $5K
Ryobi has (6) battery zero turns 3 of which are battery hot swoppable. Have a great day😎✌
Electric residential Chinese mowers will be like a smart phone when they break. Throw away and replace. Buying batteries for something in a few years usually out dated and maybe not much more to buy a modern whole electric whole mower again. They are nice while they work but don't electronics don't last to long. Don't get me wrong I bought some solar. But each year they make better solar systems and more wattage. If you want dependability and longevity go propane as a fuel. I've converted 3 small 4 stroke engines to propane. And two of them are tri fuel they burn. Propane, Natural Gas and gasoline. I only run propane it's the lazy Man's fuel it burns clean and little maintenance. Propane fuel lasts the longest no fuel treatment, no bad carb, no carb problems and no fuel problems.
One of many reason why I upgraded to battery powered lawn equipments
Don't gotta pay these crazy prices either 😅
Lots of really good dialogue on this subject. I forwarded this to my brother who is district Fire Chief for the city of Houston, they use the pre mix fuel. I was reading the post that have been made and I asked a question on how to properly clean at the end of the season. I was thinking as I read through these has anyone ever added a little carb cleaner or fuel injection cleaner to their fuel mix and has it helped. Just a question for anyone to answer
I even use Aspen 2 in my Honda mower...works awesome...not always but every few fill ups
awesome vid was always curious about the preservatives in the engineered fuels and what that caused to engines... keep up the solid work! oh ya LET's GO BRANDON I mean project farm
Awesome job on showing proof. Hopefully project farm sees this cuz he is a big help when deciding on purchases that matter. Oh and I can’t find the big thumbs up on here so maybe the little thumbs up will work!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed 👍 I'd definitely recommend checking him out too
So glad i watched this. I just ran out of true fule was wounding if the mix yourself was better or not. Looks like the highest octane with oil in it was not only cheaper but tested better. Thanks 👍🙏
I only use aspin 2 in my tools. It's Amazing stuff. Very convenient as well. Great video Stan
All 50to1is good for your 2cycle equipment
great observation, but as previously stated, open burning and compression burning with the same fuels in each scenario will have wildly different results... and like you said, Project Farms testing involves running the fuels/oils/STUFF and breaking down the heads off the tools to compare internals... 'freeburn' fuels usually develops soot through incomplete combustion..... excellent primary demonstration to compare the various fuels in an apples to apples test. Did you notice any clouds or rather smoke vapors in the garage? Couldnt actually see anything but you were focused on the plates/flames rather than the open air... as like you said again, the gentlemen didnt have bloodshot eyes and the funk commonly associated with running oil/fuel mixes
This is a excellent video.
The information that you shared will save me a lot of money.
Thank you!
Always a big help brother and I love watching project farm videos also
Love the info he shares
Team up with project farm and do more testing. I'd be very interested if the results can be duplicated
I would encourage you to check out DSX extra as an oil additive that prevents any of this varnish from sticking to the engine and reduces the friction so you actually save more fuel in addition to having a cleaner burning engine with less wear and tear on the Pistons and so on. It may sound like just another additive but it is a racing industry secret.
Sweet thanks for sharing the secrets!
@@Dirtmonkey still watching your video as I type but if you call the video on the website, one of the main designers of the product will answering any questions about it unlike some of these companies.
Yes av gas has lead fuel so 1950 era engines work with it and no alcohol means less risk of water issues and varnish problems .burns pretty clean and lead accumulation om exhausts protects the exhaust valves
Hi from uk. I only use Aspen 2 in saws and trimmers etc. Never any starting or running problems. Do a few repairs etc for folk and clean tanks then refill with aspen2. Always run and cut timber before returning, always fine.
A first class video 👍 and a bew subscriber from across the pond
Thank you, Dirt Monkey! We all needed that info! In the long run, I'll be saving my equipment with Aspen.
I think the most important part is left out... Your health. And this is where Aspen and similar fuels shine. The emisions, which you inhale all day long running your chainsaw, trimmer etc, are much much less harmfull to your health.
Excellent point Klaus
I need to try the Stihl moto mix pre mix gas myself and see what burns cleaner I know 40to1dosent burns cleaner then 50to1
Love this video.
I use Stihl fuel and I did not know how clean the fuel burned.
Thank you for this information.
Those VP results blow my mind! I hope their race fuel doesn’t burn that dirty! I was just about to buy 15 gallons of VP 106 octane to run through my vette! I’ve got friends that run VP fuel in their boats full time! We’ll be doing some race fuel testing asap!!! Great Video!
when project farm does the comparison he should add amsoil dominator two stroke with non ethenol gas 100:1 mix
Video nice video Stan ❤️👍 You mentioned your guys top off two stroke mix? I would never allow that. Way too much room for mistakes. I always empty my two-stroke gas can mix and then start on another one. Keep up the good work.
Where do yo, or "your guys", empty your gas?
Into the chainsaw lol
I have ran 2strokes of all kinds, for decades....NEVER have I seen a demonstration like this. This explains and answers more than you know.
That is quite the difference in the amount of dirt left behind after combustion of the fuel. If you're going through a concrete saw every season, it wouldn't take long to pay off the cost of the Aspen fuels.
Let’s go project farm
50:1 mix at $35 a gallon ain’t cheap. I’ve been using Lucas and TrueFuel from HD so what you say makes sense. I’m wondering what the typical string trimmer would look like after a season of pump fuel vs Aspen (Stihl) vs Lucas. In California we have pump fuel with 10% ethanol which destroys carbs. Btw - you are using caps from different manufacturers should measure by a measuring vials 🧪 does aspen make the fuel for Stihl? 🙉
I am so much more confused after reading those comments...
(copy-pasta of my comment) "Polish here. This is the first time I see those ready-to-use fuels. Everyone always uses the standard unleaded 95 mixed with oil. I've had one lawnmower for over 15 years and it still runs great (Briggs & Stratton engine, can't remember which one. Of course I did a lot of maintenance to keep it that way). So I am very confused after watching this video. I've also never had problems with pre-mixed fuel going out of use and it nearly always stays over winter.
Also, Project Farm is a great channel!"
@@NimbleBard48 a Honda or Toro lawnmower is a different beast than a Stihl or Echo string trimmer. I let unused pump gas sit in my Honda generator and it gummed up the carburetor to the point it was a rough idle. I ran some fuel additive and then switched to TruFuel 4 cycle engineered fuel. Trouble gone. Here’s the game changer. My stihl FS-90 I do little to none maintenance and leave the gas in there. I might start it up after a few months. It’s never been to the shop and other than spark plug and filter I don’t do much. So basically your paying more for the engineered fuels for the convenience of zero maintenance and a visit to the lawnmower repair shop. So yah you can run pre-mix pump fuel and then toss the Ryobi string trimmer out in 3-5 years or pay more and not get burdened with maintenance. In California our gas is 10% ethanol junk, so I don’t have a choice for the occasional use to run pump gas mix ⛽️. Hope that helps.
I use premium from the pump on my Husqvarna since 1998. I changed the spark plug last week, for the first time, and looked into the cylinder at the piston.
It was perfectly clean with no carbon build up or any staining.
I guess I won’t be using Trufuel anymore
Hey Stan good video. I have very good luck with aviation fuel. Lasts 2-3 years in the planes. Getting 55 gallon drum and premixing might be a little cheap than the Aspen fuel.
Nice thanks for the tip
Watch out for lead in the avgas. LL100 means "low lead" 100 octane.
@@Dirtmonkey not alot of us coan go by a 55gallon drum of aviation fuel but knowing which premix that serves better in the equipment, us weekend warriors, first repsonders or occasional volunteers that help in tornados or hurricane clean up, we can keep a few gallons on hand at $22 and not kill us on price.
Hopefully not 100LL (low lead), unless of course you like to get a little lead poisoning. www.faa.gov/newsroom/leaded-aviation-fuel-and-environment
💥 Let’s go Project Farm! 😁👍
I mix my own with premium fuel. I think it’s better than any others and I store my stuff with filled tanks. No issues. 🤷♂️
*Keep on tractoring!*
Exactly ! .. I use premium fuel for the additives in it and treat it with
Sta-Bil 360 marine and/or Star-Tron.
I never drain the tank
“ I fill the fuel tank all the way” when stored to eliminate any additional air
as ethanol is hygroscopic and Oxygen & Water is
the catalyst that deteriorates fuel
I have never had a problem with any stored fuel in my outdoor power equipment or my car when performing the above procedure.
So if worried about storage maybe just buy the little cans and run a little before storage and use pump gas with oil. I dont have issues my saws with pump gas with oil or my weed wacker. My saws dont sit extended time. Interesting test
hi stan i have bben watching alot of your videos over the past few years im based in australia, so things are a bit different here, but i also watch alot of videos on project farm and some of his experiments might come in handy and he sends samples to labs, uses a mower with a see through combustion chamber and many other tests, if exploring this stuff is a direction you want to go then maybe a collab , or you can watch his test videos and see if they apply to your needs, great video have a great week, from australia
lol i wrote my comment before the end of the video
The only mix I have used before out of all these is Stihl. Soon after though I found a gas station with 90 ethanol free and have used it ever since. Zero fuel or gumming issues.
I don't think much matters except one thing...no ethanol. I read that the US government is in the process of increasing the ethanol levels from around 10% to 15%. This may "seem" like an environmental friendly move but when you consider all the machines that get turfed in the dump because they won't start its really not environmentally friendly but only virtue signalling.
It isn’t just yard equipment that’s going to affect either. Literally anything with a carb means I’ll have to buy even more of this one particular fuel. Think it is priced close to diesel.
Really like the video 👍🏻. Very informative with the visual ⛽️ carbon substances left on the plates 🍽️. Wish you guys would’ve have done the test/demonstration outside on a day with NO wind. Safety and ventilation is paramount.
I had the worst experience with the trufuel. Put it in my hedge trimmer and thought it was something great. It ran great. Two weeks later went back out to try to start them and nothing. I pulled and pulled and got ticked off thinking it was my hedge trimmer. It was like it had no fire at all. I checked the spark plug and I even thought it was the kill switch maybe. Wound up throwing them across the yard after incessantly trying to start them then it hit me…. Dump out the trufuel and fill it back up with the non-ethanol mix. It fired right up. Never again will I buy anything pre made.
This reminds me when I was 12 I wanted to see if I could boil lighter fluid on the kitchen stove. I'll tell you explodes before it boils. My mom loved the new kitchen tho.
So, she got a new kitchen out of it then? 😂
Glad you survived to tell the tale 🤣
Google would have been your friend. While I think it's technically possible to boil it without igniting the vapors you would need to make sure the vapors released can't interact with the heat source. And seeing as they are heavier than air a stove is certainly not ideal. Definitely not something to take lightly (as you probably found out)
Some MSDS information on Zippo Lighter Fluid (other lighter fluids will be different, but this was the first one that came up)
IBP>90°F IBP>32°C
FLASH POINT: