Why China Doesn't Care About the Stock Market
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- čas přidán 7. 02. 2024
- China Beige Book CEO Leland Miller explains why China's real estate sector meltdown and stock market rout are not going to influence the country's authorities to stray from long-term security and economic goals. Leland speaks with Tom Keene and Paul Sweeney on Bloomberg Radio.
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Most of the strategic industries are state-owned, not publicly listed. Stock market does not represent the Chinese economy.
That's why it's going to fail.
Socialism never succeeded
And ALL industries from the smallest to the biggest in under total control of the communist party!
Why is the Chinese govt not bothered about the stock market? The stock market is not the economy. Case in point - the Nikkei 225 is nearing fresh record highs even as Japan entered its latest recession.
China does not need to juice its exports. In a way, the US tech blockade that just nuked China's huge chip imports and triggered import substitution helped tremendously, so China's trade surplus is fairly steady despite slower exports. It is NET EXPORTS that count in national income accounting after all.
you are wrong the stock market is the economy, its the earnings, consumption, investment, inflation, debt.
@@jesselivermore2291 its is the wall street rich pundits that benefited most if the stock does well, not the man on the street.
the man on the street works for companies in the stock market, if the companies go down so will he.
@@jesselivermore2291 are you a baby? Companies can delist and go private if they want to or have to like Twitter. Private companies can go bankrupt and disappear. Society and economy don't really need stock market, it does not have to exist if we don't want to.
@@jesselivermore2291
Not anymore. There are more than 50 million Americans on food stamps with no permanent jobs.
It took me five years to realize the futility of trying to predict market movements solely based on chart analysis. The unpredictability of the market made it clear that such predictions are unreliable. The absence of a mentor during that period resulted in five years of painful experiences. However, I eventually learned to align myself with the direction the market wanted to go and adopt a simpler, disciplined approach.
The reality is that nobody possesses all the answers. It is essential to establish your own process, effectively manage risk, and remain committed to your plan regardless of the circumstances. This requires a willingness to learn from mistakes and constantly improve your approach.
It may be beneficial to consult with a financial advisor who can provide personalized guidance based on your individual circumstances and goals.
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Housing is for living not for speculation
China is playing a whole different game to the west, Western analysts are baffled.
These economists are such short term looking. They are not looking past their toes into the wider geopolitics and the revolution to energy that is coming straight at them at breakneck speeds.
Yes baffled that China is going back to the cultural revolution that failed china's economy.
Foreign Direct Investments and capitalism helped make China rich..
Without the West as its customers, china is nothing. It will fail just like North Korea did through isolation.
what game is that, please enlight us, because jim chanos whos been around for a awhile and knows a thing or two, said that what is going on in china would happend exactly like it did, he even named the companies going to 0 and they did, so tell us about your theories i want to know and learn something new.
as chinese citizen, I also don’t understand. Quite confuse about it.
China is a communist country. Communism is a western idea.
Have yall caught wind of monicamary strigle? word is, she executed a successful short position on the Chinese Index, yielding an impressive 185%gain 5wks ago, before china-stocks reversed course to rise.
Really? Shorting the Chinese Index is a bold move, especially with the complexities of that market. What trading strategies did she employ to achieve such substantial gains?
I heard about monica via Reuters. Her approach involved an in-depth analysis of economic indicators, meticulous tracking of global trends, and identifying vulnerabilities in the Chinese market. She strategically executed short positions to capitalize on the anticipated downturn.
Impressive, but shorting comes with its own set of risks. Did she share any insights on risk management or how she navigated the challenges?
Absolutely. Strigle emphasized diversification within her portfolio and maintaining constant vigilance over market conditions and stayed attuned to geopolitical developments that could impact the chinese market.
Smart risk mitigation. It's crucial to stay informed and adapt strategies. Do you know if she plans to share more insights or if this was a one-time play?
If you look at the historic Chinese economy vs China stock, there’s a negative correlation😂😂 He’s right. China always put manufacturing on the top priority.
China's customer is america, so no more manufacturing, no more customers
Americans want to stop worrying about China's economy and fix their own.
Contrary to reports of their imminent demise which have been circulating since at least the Civil War, Americans can walk and chew gum at the same time and China is a great power which needs to be evaluated. Or as the great Chinese general Sun-Tzu said, "knowing yourself and knowing your adversary, in 100 battles no danger." - _The Art of War_
I see the Devil of this world. That Devil does not come in a bright red suit and a pitch fork. That Devil comes preaching "freedom, democracy and human rights". And it achieved those with endless wars.
Why should the buying and selling of stocks be important?
Well it’s obviously very important to the people but the government gets tax income from capital gains tax
So how should chinease invest their money for retirement!Buying gold?
stock market is place of most corrupt people in the US , they do nothing but stealing and manipulating prices
@@brunoheggli2888Chinese people only buy properties, which has already collapsed. Without stocks , there would be not much manufacturing.
@@man-by9iz what people? what percentage of people buy and sell stocks? In my country I don't know anyone who does. The stock market is basically a casino for rich people with a lot of money to throw away betting on stocks and it creates nothing of value, outside of IPOs it's basically a casino for rich people.
One can increase the buying power by giving money to the consumes, which is what the US did , but one can also increase employment by getting them to build useful infrastructure for the future, which is what China does.
Chinese policyu is not supporting property.
Correct. One can learn the perks or the bet on the price of credit, albeit NOT guaranteed like a deposit fixed rate but a premise of consumption via a vis a debt based economy. Nowhere the premise says about the real growth but high spending on the backdrop of higher debts. Again the core of the premise is actually the confidence to give the bankers easy money for flipping houses or buying back stock. No job growth was created but the bankers still made money 😂 That's my friend is called Credit Ponzy
Chinese infrastructure is totally useless, ever heard of tofu roads and bridges ? High speed rails to nowhere? Ghost cities?
Clearvaluetax is informative.
True to a point, however Chinese infrastructure is now completely built-out, unless China wants to start constructing literal bridges to nowhere.
Boring boring, if you are so good, how come your economy in such mess ?
Ya , America economy in such a mesh , better take care your own internal matters 😂❤
5% growth in GDP is bad economy? You need to go back school. 😂
so consumption is down, whole housing market collapsed and exports and fdi is stgnated so where is the growth coming from? its coming right out of ccp bs school economics lol@@Anonymous------
2%
Why we bother listening to Westerners try to explain China's economy is a mystery. This guy is a bit better than most in that he gets that China has different priorities, but he still can't help but employ his Western-centric ideas of how economies work. Let's talk in about five years. It's then that we will have a real idea about how China is doing. Also, it's worth noting that almost the entire rest of the world is falling into recession and American growth is mediocre and plagued with underemployment. The US stock market is doing well but average people are not and the US just keeps borrowing to keep itself going. So, by that standard, it's hard to look at China as having unique problems.
Good points. The key to the future is managing a contracting economy. China is ahead of the game. In the West, France is doing the best, but still not as good as China.
The United States is in fact experiencing the fastest economic growth among all the advanced economies. As far as predictions go, one need not wait five years to compare China with the fate of another Asian giant built on export-led growth. How's the economy of Japan been working out?
Because it’ll be nice if they can invest in Chinese companies. MY PORTFOLIO IS RED AF. JD BABA ARE ALL DOWN
The Chinese economy has production sewn up, and technically that is all you need to be a rich country. The U.S only produces weapons and some farm goods, but Brazil is more important in that regards. Why worry unless the entire society is willing to go back to pre digital living, and even then China will be making 90 percent of the shovels around the world. Reagan made people think production doesent matter, but actually its everything to be a rich country.
China has production sewn up..... Your thoughts echo those of the Qianlong Emperor in 1797.
4.6-5% is "economy slowing quite dramatically"?
Now compare to the US economy.
Crazy take, Bloomberg!!! 😂
Financial resources are being channelled towards manufacturing and industry, speciacially new techs.
They just can't see any other way of moving than their financing hocus pocus. It's hilarious watching their befuddled confused dumbfoundedness!
Wrong title leads to wrong conclusion. China do care their stock market but rather not being harvested by the U.S. So timing is important, not now.
One of the best 5-minute summaries of where the Chinese economy is at and why that I've heard in awhile.
Sounded just like something I would overhear on my lunch-break at work around the coffee machine.
Now most coffee machines are made in China. 😂
Thank god I don't have work or a lunch break or a coffee machine anymore!
Finally sounds like a proper report would like to hear and acknowledge of the actual situation.
Not like many other channels sounding like everyone are collapsing..
anyone who studied chinese stock market a decade ago, like 2014, knows chinese stock market has been going sideways for a long time. japan also has been going sideway too for like more than 2 decades.
Stocks for the long run sadly only works well in America, and not necessarily true in other nations.
Nope, its the FED printing money to pump up the market. Else its as dead as a corpse. See the gamestop shares? when fed gives free money, a useless stock can also go to the moon.
l have to said,I totally agreed with Leland.
It sounds to me like China is making the smart move in not worrying about the stock market and the consumer economy. China will never have an overshot consumerism like the US simply because there is not enough cheap oil left. They are smart to cut bait. As Leland said at the end, now is a good time to do it.
There is an addiction to debt fueled growth that has to be stopped. US and China are both leveraged but on opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of consumer vs public investement stimulus. Now both want to end the stimulus addiction but resist change in the system.
America has the ability to earn
But not China
@@dongshengdi773 They will be ok, but certainly not as good as before. They moved a lot of their manufacturing to Mexico. In fact, its a good chunk of Mexico's exports now. Same with Thaïland, Vietnam, the middle east soon.
The unprecedented growth of China has consistently defied predictions by Western-educated experts. Given this track record, it's questionable whether these experts can accurately project or fully comprehend the potential trajectory of the Chinese economy.
Ordinary people’s livelihoods are far more important to the Chinese government than the local stock market. If the ordinary people’s livelihoods are good and prosperous and stable, then everything else will fall into places! Simple, yeah?😂
Bloomberg hubris!
Good for China!😉😊
They’re not going to stop juicing the supply side either.
In a war, the nation that can produce the most usually wins. They want to maintain this edge at all costs.
I hate when biases politics is used in a finance video
These guys are clueless!
I am so sad to see this man is the CEO of the CBB. Sad. You cannot find someone more clueless about the Chinese Way than this man.
Don't care about anything we need one billion money jagx 200x potential phase 3data coming
Economic collapse countdown. Too many trillions of unsustainable debt. 😢😮
😂😂😂😂😂 they've been saying that for years.
Excellent analysis.
Wrong . Totally
Simple, in China, corporations bow to the state, while in murica, corpos own the state
美国的钱都在股市里，可中国的钱都在美国，所以中国不关心股市😂
真是天才才能说出的结论
🌏🕵🏻♂️ people hey
There is nothing left in China to make money as a foreigner. Hence don't waste time, just move on.
如果你知道中国有多少资产在美国，你就知道中国为什么不关心股市了😂
When losers fail at something they usually pretend they 'don't care' about the stuff lol
This clearly did not age well.
Some hot takes from these boomers 😂
Over the past two decades, China has made significant strides in replicating and sometimes surpassing Western technology, marking a notable accomplishment in its efforts to modernize infrastructure. Additionally, China has strategically acquired substantial reserves of gold and US Treasury bills, bolstering its economic stability. While concerns persist about the resilience of China's stock market, it's important to note that the country has demonstrated resilience in the face of economic challenges before, notably during the period of centralized economic planning under the leadership of the Communist Party. This resilience, often associated with the era of the 'Little Red Book,' suggests that China possesses a capacity to weather financial storms and adapt to changing circumstances.
Over the past two decades, China has not only replicated Western technology but has also made significant strides in modernizing its army, navy, and air force. With the second-largest military budget globally, trailing only behind the United States, China has been able to bolster its military capabilities significantly. This investment has enabled China to enhance its defense infrastructure, develop advanced weaponry, and expand its naval presence in regions like the South China Sea. As a result, China's military prowess has become a significant factor in global geopolitics, challenging traditional power dynamics and shaping regional security strategies.
tell me a chinese company that is better then a western company in anything.
there are no economists nor bankers that experienced the hybrid of merging capitalism into socialism. This is an experience never forgotten because there were no systematic educated bankers and economists advising govt. So it is the wild wild west mentality and those sophisticated polished institutional investors have seen how they can reaped windfall profits by whacking the currencies and economy and industrial base...it will take 20 yrs before this current mess will be cleaned up...socialism system can never co-exist with capitalism however in the heyday of opening up - the sky is the limit only to realize that was virtual and has come home to roost. someone drew the 3 red lines but never had alternative Plan B to counter with green lines... now having blown the real estate sector which bled into the financials such as banks and shadow banks and vanishing of $7 trillion from HKSE...no Nobel Prize economists nor bankers can rescue the chinatic sinking to the bottom for the next century
ppl are forgot something lol stock markers are played BY RICH PPL .... rich ppl controls the market the way they want....
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Well ato serious kn, they are still in jahannam.
How does xi jinping and the ccp not care about how the stock market goes? China's economy is going down and helping some countries with money, China has 2 care or they will be poor.
China does not work like Western society wants them too. China doesn't care about the stock market like you think. These economists are baffled and they've been saying this for decades.smh
This guy is exactly right. The government thinks it is doing a fine job and common people feel the pain is all induced by foreigners.
what BS
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