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In this video, Jake gives you all the essentials you need to get the Dante Protocol up and running at your church. Dante is an awesome tool that allows you to route all of your audio through ethernet cabling instead of analog interfaces.
You're gonna wanna see this.
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As other commenters have pointed out, make sure you get a business-grade network switch that is managed and you can disable EEE. The ones we used making this video were not that. Here is one I found for around $50 that should work fine: amzn.to/2LINogV
Can we put router with internet on Dante Network Switch?
@@christianjosephvalmocena5032 not recommended according to these guys czcams.com/video/nbilNNiJBT4/video.html but you can i suppose...
Hi Jake, i'm planning to use Dante AVIO in our church. Will the Netgear ProSafe Plus 5-Port Gigabit Ethernet Switch GS105E-200NAS you mentioned on the link provided above work for Dante AVIO USB Adapters including one- and two-channel versions of the analog input and analog output adapters and AES3 adapters? is power over ethernet (PoE) available on this switch? what is your recommendation on ethernet switches? Thanks!
I've been holding off adding Dante to our Allen & Heath digital mixer until I understand the process better. You gave the best most concise description I've heard in my research. Well done!
Thanks Doug!
Dante also offers their free training online. Super great tool, The whole worship staff and audio volunteers are required to have it.
I second that motion....The BEST description!!!
Learn Dente Here start with "getting started with dente"
You my brother are such a blessing and legend!! I have been puzzling! Trying to figure out how and why to use Dante. This has given me more understanding than the tech guy who installed it did. Going to sort out all our issues this week!!! Legend man! Thanks for the effort and Sharing such great content. Busy tweaking lights now as well. THANKS TO YOUR LIGHTING VIDS 😋😎 much love from South Africa 🇿🇦
Been wondering about how to run a Dante setup for a while. Haven’t found a good video until now! Thanks!
Yes! Always on the cutting edge Jake! Thanks for the info, and I'm gonna have to see if we can get info this one.
And they DO still put Ethernet ports on computers... just not Apple computers🤣🤣
Came here to say this, they even make laptops with 2 x GbE ports!
or you could be running a tried and true mid 2012 MacBook Pro model with NO Dongles and still has plenty of power! We have never had an issue with ours automating lights lyrics and Ableton all with no dongles! LOL
My church uses the same setup with the Yamaha CL5 and the QL5 TF Rack mixers and the RIO3224 RIO1608 RI8 and the RO8 stageboxes and all this is using Dante audio networking for a digital split between all 3 consoles and stage boxes.
Nice
Thanks for posting this Jake! Such great information! I wish I watched this video before I implemented Dante at our church. We're running an Allen and Heath GLD80 with the Dante Module and love it!!! A couple of gotchas with Dante that I experienced:
1. You cannot use both Dante Virtual Soundcard (DVS) and Via on the same computer at the same time.
2. DVS allows up to 64 channels but Via has a maximum of 16 channels.
3. Many DAW's only recognize one audio interface at a time so if DVS or Via is the interface, you will have to monitor your DAW through Dante unless you are using a Mac which allows you to create an aggregate device. Windows on the other hand does not have a native way to aggregate devices. I tried using ASIO4All but couldn't get it working with DVS (it worked with Via). Finally I got it to work using one of the Dante Avio devices to route the signal to an audio interface to drive my monitors. If there is a better way I would love to learn it.
Did you have issues with running PT on an aggregate device? Thinking of going there Avio route and just put my interface on the network. Trying to avoid buying the Dante Avid racks just to monitor my mix without affecting the main livestream feed
Wow! I am in Uganda and I have been looking for a modern system that I can build for my local church sound. I was told about Dante, but it was really confusing me, but you have broken it down. Thank you. Looking forward to having you come down to Africa and help churches down here build a sound system for the glory of Christ.
Just a heads up - the redundant ethernet cable can be used to also prevent cabling failures that might occur over the life of the network.
Bless you Man!!!! Flawless breakdown and delivery!! Really blessed me!!!! 🙏🏾🙌🏾
Glad to see you jump in the Dante train!!
Depending on your ProTools setup, I would recommend pulling inputs directly from the StageBox and not the console.
Is this possible with the Midas / Behringer system? Their stageboxes are not Dante.
No, not possible with M/X32 stageboxes.
Do not use UNMANAGED network switches for a Dante audio network setup. Also, EEE-enabled switched is a no-no for Dante. Audinate recommends a MANAGED gigabit switch (web-managed/smart-managed) with DSCP CoS enabled.
do you have any suggestions for inexpensive DANTE switches? something pretty small but solid?
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For SOHO level gear, look at www.netgear.com/business/products/switches/ or www.linksys.com/us/c/business-network-switches/
At the budget end of pro level gear, look at www.ui.com/products/#edgemax
DANTE is a very good IP Audio solution! I'm working on the design of DANTE audio.
For those who still want or require a traditional USB audio interface while using a Dante audio network, there is the RME Digiface Dante audio interface (USB 3.0/2 pairs of RJ45 ports/Headphones output). That enables the best of both worlds.
add a link please
Looks like I'm late to this party, but THANK YOU!!! for this video! I just got some equipment to set us up with Dante but needed some help with the nuts and bolts. This was so helpful.
We use Dante From an Alan and Heath GLD 110 we route 8 channels of audio from stage from our Ableton computer, we also have a keys MainStage rig that we also send 2 channels of audio to the board. We then send another stream of audio to a computer running Logic Pro that records our 48 channels and then is routed to an X32 that is mixing for live stream. In addition to that we are looking at adding an x32 on stage to be our IEM rig which will receive the 32 channels from our GLD board and then allow us to have a completely independent iem mix for our team. The Dante network is a game changer! However DO NOT USE EEE energy effecient switches we bought 2 Gigabit "green" switches right off the bat and thought whats the difference. We had 2 instances of complete audio drop out from Ableton. NOT good get the business class switches it does matter.
Thank you so much for this content we’re actually going to do that exact set up today at my church thank you may God continue to bless you and your ministry
We have a Presonus Studiolive 32…. What are our options ? I understand Presonus uses AVB which is a different protocol from Dante
So helpful. My church just transferred to donte so it's very new for as a a sound technician.
I love to watch these videos that teach these valuable tips to praise the Lord!, Blessings.
Quick question: Is there a possibility to send controlling cues from my Ableton computer to my ProPresenter computer using Dante Audio Networking?
Thank you for dumbing this down enough for me to understand. Everything has been "daunting" reading online. Would have been nice to see how you set up the card in the M32 to as well. Still confused there.
You meant "Danteng" didn't you?
Been waiting on this. Thank you so much for being light to this tech!!!
I should have seen this video earlier. Adding dante card to my sq6 will be everything i I need
Great explanation. I can see how Worship Tech School would a great investment.
Thanks bro
I currently have my dante controller setup so I can record multitracks to my FOH computer and essentially flip it for Virtual Soundcheck, but now I am also wanting to use my mac to run tracks in worship through Dante instead of a stage inputs/XLRs. How would I route my tracks computer through dante to FOH if my transmitter inputs from the multitracking computer takes up the tracks inputs? I hope that makes sense!
LIVE Chain: FOH Console (Transmitter) to Mac (receiver)
Virtual Sound Check: Mac (transmitter) to FOH Console (receiver)
This is what I’m trying to figure out! Did you ever find a solution? My guess is having a different dante preset to load for virtual sound checks.
We love Dante at my church!
We went live with Dante last week. The drums (8 channels), click&guide (1 channel) and track (2 channels) were sent over Dante from a Mac to the FOH console (A&H SQ7), then all channels from the FOH console were sent over Dante to the Broadcast Mac for mixing on LogicPro before sending it to the video guys.
We had a 2 second blip in each service where the Broadcast Mac wasn't receiving any audio. It happened so quickly and resolved itself, so we're a little bit worried and hoping it doesn't happen again.
@Ayo Monehin we currently have this same set up but still havent been able to figure out how to send from FOH to LogicPro to video world. Any tips would be greatly appreciated.
@@sergiorodriguez8759 i have the same issue, the ableton live computer send the tracks via dante to FOH (mackie DL32) but the broadcast Mac is not receiving the tracks from the ableton live, any tips? @Churchfront
This is FANTASTIC! Thanks for the breakdown!
Great overview!!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙏🏻
Yesterday, I explained this to my pastor as we run an M32 foh. He’s on board to integrate Dante, so it’s gonna be great using Logic for live stream, ProPresenter playback, a PC for canned music, and our plans to start using multi-track playback on stage, all using Cat6!
Hey Jeremy did you ever get your Dante integrated with multitrack playback? Trying to get more than 8-10 buses for better control. :)
@@bryanturner1974 Honestly, we’ve yet to order/install the Dante card. From what I’ve read, it’s fairly straightforward as long as the proper switches are used?
Our Dante Card is in transit!! I'm almost logging into my Arrive app as much as I log into WLS.com......almost!! Can't wait to get our Dante network up and running!! I even got my Dante Level 1 certification!!!! TECHNOLOGY!!!!!!!!!!!
How was you process?
The videos on this topic suck LoL... this video by far is one of the better ones. With that said... I have a few questions. 1) Do you have a video showing how you actually setup and run cable from the Instruments. I.E Drums, keyboard, vocal mics, Ect. 2) How do you deal with the mics that need phantom power vs line inputs. 3) Can you use Dante without a physical mixing board? 4) Can i just run everything into pro tools? Finally... Do I have to Have Pro Tools HD to make this work?
I like that you can route audio channels to different devices (Sharing inputs and out puts). But I have two Heath & Allen mixers sharing one I/O box on stage. One mixer for front of house, One mixer feeds a computer with multi track audio. With Dante are the input gains for the two systems independent or does one dominate the other. The house gains and the recording gains are not the same. I deal with Jr High and High school students that often hide from the microphone to avoid being heard. With the recording I ride the gain higher knowing I do not need to worry about feed back from the speakers.
That's technically not true, I think. A stage box with a preamp has only 1 gain control per input. If you split that stagebox to 2 consoles, probably 1 of them is controlling the gain/preamp, and 1 of them has only digital trim. That is a fine way of lowering/raising the input volume, but it's not the same as gain/preamp. So if signal is too hot and clipping at the preamp, digital trim is not gonna fix that.
Thanks for explaining nicely. Great video clip.
I learned the hard way that the network switches need to not use EEE power saving. It can cut off your word clock and disconnect everything. We now run proper Cisco SG300 managed switches. This is from Yamaha's site, but regarding DANTE: Please do not use the EEE function (*) of network switches in a Dante network.
Although power management should be negotiated automatically in switches that support EEE, some switches do not perform the negotiation properly. This may cause EEE to be enabled in Dante networks when it is not appropriate, resulting in poor synchronization performance and occasional dropouts.
Therefore we strongly recommend that:
If you use managed switches, ensure that they allow EEE to be disabled. Make sure that EEE is disabled on all ports used for real-time Dante traffic.
If you use unmanaged switches, make sure to not use network switches that support EEE.
* EEE (Energy Efficient Ethernet) is a technology that reduces switch power consumption during periods of low network traffic. It is also known as Green Ethernet and IEEE802.3az.
Great to know
Great info. Thanks for sharing.
thank ou for a nice turtorial
Oh man so much great information!
I hope you can help/advice me…
I use a Midas M32C connected to i-Tec Dockingstation with SSD and korg Nano Studio Kontroller to remote control by MIDI CC the Midas M32
i-Tec Docking Station is out connected with USB C Cable to Microsoft Surface Pro 9 with MPS Software with Multitracks for live performance and so i can use Midas ASIO driver as souncard and control Midas by CC also
USB Cables are not that long Midas use USB B out and connect to i-Tec USB in the problem is that cables are not that long to go from Midas on Backstage to Tablet on Frontstage…
Is there any solution?
I hope you can help me
I am loving the video!!!! I wouldnt use an M32 for this kind of network because the console is limited to only 32 card in, but the console can do 32 channels of digital in, and also the Aux ins are able to come in on other inouts. When you do Dante you can only pull 32 channels in
Hello, I am interested to install dante card to my X-32 in the church. I want to send the 32 channel to Logic pro computer for live streaming, but what about the AUX input ? cause playback come form a computer connected to AUX 1 and 2. Is-it possible to send those AUX vian Dante to Logic PRO ? And if Yes how to do that. THe Problem is, in all the video posted, they always talk about the 32 channels. But what about the AUX input ? Thank you.
Dope! Nice job my man!
Thanks! worth to watch it! soo good
Could I Just have a set up like: Ableton Live on a Mac, Ethernet cable into a Dante mixer, and route Inside Ableton all the physical sources plugged to the mixer? ( this to record and avoid buying a super crazy soundcard)
Does it make sense and would this work?
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE help! Mixing with Logic X from x32 via dante for my stream. How to I monitor my audio that I’m streaming??
Hello thanks for the video.
I’m struggling to find a virtual Soundcheck playback solution for my specific scenario.
I’m using the Wing, sending 48 i/o to Logic through WDante. Up until there it’s good, I can monitor the recorded audio through the headphone jack or internal speaker in the Mac mini. But Now I’m struggling trying to send the raw audio back to wing via Dante, to everything individual channel it was recorded from, so that I can run virtual sound checks. If possible can you or anyone in the comments help clarify this, or lead me to another good video? Thank you.
Question: Because we are broadcasting live, do we need two NICs in the computer (one for Dante and one for LAN/WAN to the internet?
How do i Route the audio OUT (Master 1 & 2) of Ableton Into a Physical 3.5mm Or another Device Out of the Main Streaming DAW?
Has anyone had any issue with Dante Via and Intel Mac Mini? With our M1 Mac Mini we can successfully send audio out to anywhere, but with our Intel Mac Mini, for some, reason it will only show that it's transmitting a signal but non of the receiving devices shows it being received. However if we reboot the Dante card within the Dante Controller app, then and only then will the receiving devices receive signal. Which makes no sense. So I am not sure if this is an Intel problem with compatibility with our Avantis and dante card or if the Intel Mac mini itself has an issue with it within that we can see to figure out. Audinate pointed me to Allen & Heath for whatever reason but this seems to be more of a Dante issue than a Allen & Heath issue.
Question: Do you have to buy Dante Virtual sound card for every mac / computer you want to put on the LAN?
Jensen Forshaw Music Yes. But you don’t need DVS for the computers running Via.
Thank tou brother. This was really helpful to understand dante setup.
Also, Another question: I Cant seem to route my sound OUT from my DAW to an analog cable. So can i send it INTO an AUX (1/2) On my x32? If so How?! Help lol
Can you still use local inputs from the FOH board and inputs from the digital snake?
Great Video, Thanks .........I'm curious...At 11:53 in the video did you just route the FOH consoles outputs to the same FOH consoles inputs?? Maybe not a big deal but I'm trying to follow you and you're talking about patching the 4 outputs from you're Ableton Live computer to the FOH console......Am I seeing things??
hi Jake, can i use just dante virtual soundcard from daw komputer to streaming computer ? without buy a dante soundcard for m32?
Can you make an update video with newer tech like the behringer wing
thank you so much
Do you connect your Digital Snake to your Dante Card or to the Ethernet input of the Mixer?
Just what I was searching for. Thank you!
How do you get Audio from Abelton Live to OBS if using Dante Virtual Soundcard?
Cool! Thank you!
absolutely amazing guide. thanks very much!
I noticed you had an APIPA address whenever configuring your Virtual Sound Card on 9:25. Do you need a DHCP server running on the switch to get an IP address, or everything works via Layer 2 traffic?
Also would like to know the answer to this.... do we need to set an IP address?
How do you get audio from Dante Controller to Elgato program (Windows)
i juz wanna ask this question i hope you answer this or anyone reading if u can help im juz curious to know if an artist has his own laptop and wants to hear the audio through the speakers by using his own laptop what is the way that he can connect his laptop and use the ssl counsel too cuz I have seen videos where producer will bring their laptop and hook it up with the counsel and literally they can use the whole counsel and even rec to it too....I dont know how they do it there is no video of it too that's y I'm asking you I hope this makes sense now.Please these information would help alot
correction they do not create ethernet ports on macs, other manufacturers still do
Less digital audio conversion is a nice thing
Late to the party, but on the output routing, is it necessary to send the Card 1-8 back out to the Dante network, when it's already available directly from your computers? Or am I misunderstanding how Dante routing works, and you can only patch an input to one output and not split?
Going to start this setup this week, had a snafu with live service today. Trying to route audio out of propresenter to both the ATEM live stream and in-house was not properly or intuitive.
so since the worship tech school appears to not be a thing any more (or is it just my browser messin up) is there a reason your not using a dante card in your stage snakeas well? thanks in advance !
So for my church we use Spotify to play music before and after service. Would the dante setup you just described for ProPresenter also work in playing music through another app like Spotify?
Yes, you would need to use the Dante Via app for that instead of the DVS
I have my click & guide feeding into my x32 along with my other back tracks coming from the playback app on an iPad. When I use the x32 USB port to send audio to my live stream, I'm hearing the click and guide in the live feed audio. What can I do to fix this?
Can i use same Ethernet cable and switchers network to support Dante and AES50, for example, a switcher at FOH connecting AES50 Ethernet and Dante->Ethernet cable to stage into a 2nd switcher, from switcher to Dante compatible laptop for tracks and another Ethernet to the AES50 digital snake? Is that possible?
Question for you Jake! My M1 Mac MIni is sending audio to our x32 console out of the headphone jack and the ethernet port is already being used to connect to a network that our ATEM switcher is on. Am I able to use a USB A to Ethernet adapter (out of the Mac Mini) to connect it to a switch on the Dante network? Any idea? I like the idea of using the Digital sound card app instead of the headphone jack but my ethernet port is spoken for. Or can I plug everything (Atem software control & Dante enabled devices) into the same network?? Thanks!
Which stage box did you use with your console for dante?
This is a little unclear to me, does a DANTE card for my X32 let me have more than 32 channels?
Question. We are in the process of building out our new church and are using another churches Overflow/Youth Center for our Saturday live services. They use Dante and we stream but the mix is horrible and we need to post mix because the room and Worship sounds great but streaming is blow out and horrible. We want to post mix for Sunday morning stream on FBLive/CZcams. Forgive me for the dumb questions but I’m JUST A BASSPLAYER.
Not all computers are laptops. The Mac Mini line still has 1Gb or 10Gb ethernet.
Can you still get an internet connection on the computers on the Dante network?
I have a question about the network switches. You mentioned that you have two. One up front and one in the back. So are you somewhat daisy chaining them together? From the front network switch two the rear one?
so, are you still using AES50 to connect the stage box to the FOH console? Or how are you accomplishing the connection between stage box and FOH?
Jake, I currently use the same switches you have attached to your link. I have been experiencing a lot of inconsistency in the form of audio drop-outs and static build up but cant seem to nail down the culprit yet. Have you had success with no issues with yours?
if its ok for you can you send all wat i need for dante how do u switch ethernet to normal cables
Hello! I need some tips how to do this. I have a similar setup: x32, one MacBook for mixing, one Mac for pro presenter .
For the mixing laptop I have Dante virtual sound card and pro presenter one I have Dante via.
In the mixing one I get all the 32 channels from x32. I use Dante virtual as a sound card input and output I have a ssl 2+, for monitoring. Is it possible to use the Dante sound card and still hook some earphones or studio monitors? How?
Now I want to get the output from the mixing laptop to pro presenter one using Dante via.
Here I am staked. I can’t find the ssl 2+. Do I need Dante via also on the mixing laptop?
Is it possible to run a Dante network alongside a LAN/WAN that will be used to control a digital mixer, ProPresenter, etc? I know that the sound card that comes in the mixer allows you to add the mixer to a LAN for control with an iPad, etc but by removing this card and replacing it with the Dante card, do you lose that functionality?
Do all Dante enabled devices on the Dante network have to be brand specific. For example, let's say we have a yamaha stagebox but a X32 mixer. Will the stagebox be able to connect to the x32 via the Dante network?
Do you need to install the Dante virtual Soundcard to use the ethernet connection for Pro Tools Multitrack?? have the M32R with dante sound card to work with. I am wanting to set up the multitrack recording for better recorsing capabilities for my music class
How do you suppose we route audio to a nursery using a cordless method.... because the nursery is in a different building.
Thank you for this Tutorial! Are you remote (trigger) ProPresenter SongCharts via Ableton (Midi) AND output the Sound from ProPresenter via DanteVia? Is Ableton Midi then working via WLAN or do you have two LAN Network Dongles?
You can use the same LAN for both!
Is Dante still a good idea to run your audio in house of worship in 2023/2024?
Wow this is crazy how a few purchases, cables, and dongles can save so many hours of headache.
Hi Jake, Thanks for the great video... Im just wondering is it possible to send audio to my M32 live via usb on the default sound card that comes with the mixer?! and would it affect the sound quality? thanks bro!
But how will we monitor the audio that's being mix?
Thanks for the info!!
Hello,
I installed a Dante Card in my Yamaha M7CL mixer and I connected with my Logic Pro. Everything works just fine bug I get signal in my Logic just for a few seconds and after that stops and start again, its not constant signal.
I check with different DAW and different computer and the problem still exist, can you help me please?
Thank you!
Do you have a dedicated computer running the Dante Controller or is it running on one of the computers running a different program such as the one running pro tools?
Hi Jake,
Quick question. Just got the dante card for my church's Allen and Heath GLD 112 mixer. To start off, I just want a simple set up with my macbook directly connected to the primary port of the dante card. What i would like to achieve is just getting an output from my front of house sound board into my DAW. Apart from setting up the Dante controller routing and the Dante virtual card, do I have to setup a routing on my front of house sound console too?
Thanks for everything you are doing man. Appreciate it
Anurag
Great video, in this setup you dont need any of the "Dante audio ethernet dongles" only just an ethernet connection? with the virtual soundcard on the PC.. and how is the front of house (audio box) connected to the network
hey guys, i have a question for you?
can the Audiofusion system be used on the Dante network? on a Behringer X32?
I'm stumped. My transmitters section doesn't look like yours. It has the computer and then ProPresenter in that section.
I can't seem to figure out how to send the audio from ProPresenter to the main mix?