Is SaGa: Emerald Beyond A Return To Greatness? |Demo Review|
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It looks like they are taking the best parts of multiple SaGa games and creating a more streamlined experience. This definitely boosted my excitement for this game.
Couldn't agree more!!
Looking forward to this one cause it has that eclectic SaGa Frontier vibe, with character and worlds diverging a lot from each other + Campy designs and dialogue! I'll drop everything to play this on release!
My experience with the SaGa games is all old-school. I first dove into it with Final Fantasy Legend III, then went back and played FFLI+II. I owned SaGa Frontier and SaGa Frontier II on my PS1. SaGa Frontier II was such a beautiful “water color picture come to life” experience that is still stands as my favorite of what I have played, so far.
I have SaGa Frontier 2 and 3 downloaded on my Switch. They are backlogged, but look nice. I would like to have physical copies of them.
I have looked at The Romancing SaGa series for decades and seen mixed reviews. I am thinking very hard of getting all the physical SaGa games on Switch as physical carts so I will always have them.
I plan to check out this demo, mostly because of your video. I’m happy about adding another good JRPG to my ever growing library.
Thanks! 😉
Grreat vid as always! Just wanted to add that there is a demo available on Steam. It just happened to come out mid-morning depending on your region, instead of midnight. It too, also has a different character to play as aside from the 2 console stories.
That must be why I didn’t see it!
@@davidvincyeah, the demo is also cool too, its the robot diva girl
demo for PC is available on Steam
You play as Diva on Steam
The Steam demo is my first experience with SaGa but it seems like all the budget went into the battles, writing, and music. It gave me whiplash how nice the battles looked and sounded compared to the still image storytelling. The overworld travel, cutscenes, etc. did not see as much attention. This is not a bad thing perse, there are some advantages to having simple a simple overworld, but it's mostly just budget imo. I spent several hours on the demo and have to say I really enjoyed it, the music was incredible
Thanks for the information about Diffrent character been avaliable depending on the system.
My story went: Witch World (+side Quest except Black Witch as I didn't understand the combat system ad that time) and then Yomi where I meet Dolares (My favorite character so far, granted didn't see 2 other gates).
This is my first SaGa game and would honestly have miss it, had someone on Discord not recommend it.
Pre-order and ready for relesee, do have to finish Stellar Blade first.
Im playing on the switch and just recruited Boh. Good to see they have the character crossover of old
Hi David! Downloading the demo on Switch (don't have a PS5). Excited to try it! Appreciate you David, and have a blessed day! 😃
Hope you enjoy it!
Had never played a SaGa game, but back on the ps4 i saw scarlet grace on sale and decided to try it out! I ended up really enjoying it! So totally looking forward to this new game!
But i also want to work on the older games some day
Looks fun! Saga is always such a gamble, but I respect how unafraid they are to just try things. Will definitely keep an eye out for this on release!
Trying to overcome my intimidation and really get into this series this year. I fell in love last year when I played SaGa Frontier last year, and I've enjoyed the FF Legend trilogy in the past.
These games are a beautiful, arcane, sometimes frustrating mess, but I admire what it's trying to do.
You might like romancing saga 2 if you like those...I did at least.
@@richardwebster6459 thanks! It's in my backlog of games already.
I have high hopes for this one well I love SaGa games all the way through scarlet grace(which is also good) my favorite will always be SaGa Frontier for just how out there they were willing to go.
So the second I saw robots I was pumped lol.
I am definitely picking this one up day one. Gonna be hard to juggle between this and eiyuden chronicles.
Thank you for the demo review, David. I'll put this on my wish list 😊
Just got done with the demo on Steam and it's a Day 1 buy for me. It hit all the nostalgia buttons for me from seeing Mr. S to having a Saw skill causing instant death. The world nexus? reminds me of Final Fantasy Legend II and I played that for many hours on the Game Boy. Besides that, I really enjoyed the combat system and character customization. It's really complex but the decision making is fun.
I'm looking forward to the story and seeing how all the characters tie together.
I think this is going to have to go off to wishlist for right now. With Chronicles coming out, I still have unicorn Overlord to play in about 40 different games in the backlog. Time is my biggest resource right now
As much as I enjoyed SaGa Scarlet Grace and the non-linear progression in other SaGa game, but I'm glad the battle system is similar to Scarlet Grace given I liked that turned based battle system. I can imagine Emerald Beyond is like SaGa Frontier (because of the Sci-fi elements)
SaGa Frontier is a true masterpiece! I'm SO EXCITED for this game!
Definitely looking forward to this, though the lack of a (non-import) physical release is a little galling.
I agree! We love jrpg and David and thais why we are all here! And it is great to be in this community where I can talk my heart on what I like and think freely. THe game Looks promising, besides, I enjoy SaGa games. Looking forward to it.
I played Romancing a while back but it was translated, and got super stuck with Frontier 2 with how hard it was. I played SaGa Frontier remaster a couple years back and absolutely fell in love, it felt like the first time i played Demons Souls, where its a journey to overcome the challenges and understand how to play the unorthodox game and eventually master the systems. After that i was hooked and went and played SaGa 1 2 3 on gameboy and absolutely loved 1 and 2 especially. Looking forward to this game and hopefully tackling Romancing 1 2 3, Unlimited, Frontier 2 and Scarlet Grace
I currently have 5 hours logged on the Switch demo, and it still hasn't ended!
Huh, I wonder why it was so short on the PS5
I just played the demo and loved it, even the story was quite interesting! Day one purchase for me.
there is a steam demo David, differnt character there too
This game is very strange but I love how different it is. Even if I don’t play immediately, I’m getting it day one to show support.
The demo has been fun so far.
The steam demo had an option for Japanese voices.
I've been playing the game since the 80s on my GB and even ill say at tines the series gets frustrating eith its lack of guidance i love it. After playing the switch demo i can say im impressed enough to give it a shot.
I honestly just tried it cause this game had phantasy star vibes. I played the steam demo with the songstress. It was odd i liked the idea of the story but it just rushed in an overview of the songstress and then added 5 more characters without much explanations to who they are or what were doing exactly. Ill probably wait to get it when it goes on sale.
If i have to be honest, this is my very first time touching a SaGa game, i liked what i played. The demo in the switch is with the witch girl, she's funny. I hope isn't as brutal and frustrating as I've read.
We love David AND JRPGS!
Love you too!!
Yeah David playing the Switch version and it is amazing.
I am over 2 hrs in and still playing David
Can I ask how you liked the last game Scarlett grace? Just curious if that was a hit or miss for you.
I’m putting out a saga ranking video later this month, I’ll address it there :)
The cutscenes remind me of baten kaitos
You're jacked bro. Love seeing gamers smash some of the "gamer" stereotypes. I never played SaGa, I grew up on Final Fantasy, Mana, Star Ocean..... but I own all the retro SaGa games on newer systems....I'll check it out. New subscriber from Maine!
Thanks for the sub!!! :)
Take a shot every time the protagonist from the PS5 demo says heck.
If you have been a fan of SaGa in the west since the release of SaGa Frontier, then you've probably accepted the fact that SaGa's not for everyone. It's not out of gatekeeping or anything like that--it's just that the series has always been known for being experimental and obtuse, which is a turnoff for players new to the series or even new to JRPGs.
It's amazing how a series that looks like a JRPG and plays like a WRPG tends to alienate both audiences.
The only “weird SaGa” to me was Unlimited… only one I didn’t finish (or even get far)
Even so, I want to give it another chance one day
David, can you review the SaGa games, like the Romancing series or the Frontiers? :) I was wondering if you like them or not
I plan to this month! I’m doing a blitz on the entire series in celebration of this release
Still no word on a physical?
I saw a post that said there’s no physical in the west. The Japanese physical copy does NOT have English. The best we can hope for is an Asian region release with English.
@@BasicSneedEducation thanks! I hope we will get an Asian English release.
I loved the Demo...
It looks like fun!
I'd like to give this one a shot eventually. I have Scarlet Grace Ambitions on my phone and I've enjoyed what I've played of that but it's difficult to hold my attention on it while on a phone. Just doesn't feel right. I liked the combat of Scarlet Grace, even if I got my ass kicked numerous times, so this one should be enjoyable there as well.
You're not what I imagined a SaGa fan would look like... Cool to see. You probably already know this, but the PC/Steam demo is out, and you play as Diva No. 5. Would've been neat if there was an Xbox version just to get one of those other remaining characters. I most wanted to play as the lady cop duo, sadly they are not in any of the 3 demos
Looks like they ripped the battle system straight from scarlet grace. Did the equipment have the skills you could learn, or was it more like the romancing skill system?
Weird Saga IS Good Saga
Played the demo both on Switch and PC and I'm pretty exited for the full release, though I'm not sure yet the combat system is better than in Scarlet Grace.
Tx David
I've played and beaten Saga Frontier for PS1 and played Saga Frontier 2. I loved the first game, the 2nd one, not so much. It was ok but more confusing than the first one.
I'm really interested in playing this game but I've never played a Saga game before. I had no idea the demos are different. I normally skip demos but I think I'll have to give this one a go!
I haven't played a saga game in ages this looks fun
hi Davidvinc RPGs
I tryed the Switch demo and got a gameover on the second fight against 3 frogs. Couldnt even kill 1 of them. I dont think its even possible to grind at that point. Am i missing something? Im not gonna buy a game if i get softlocked at the second fight of the demo.
Looks like an indie game made with Unity.
Saga scarlet grace had so much potential to be not so confusing. Hope they get what was good on this game too at Emerald beyond.
I feel deeply disturbed playing this game...
SAGA is back!
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Ah, the good ol' Game Boy Saga games. Before the days of anime hair in video games 😂
Why do you have to give us so much of your opinions in these reviews?????
j/k
I played the first four SaGa games (the three Gameboy titles and Romancing SaGa 1 on the SNES). I was really not a fan of the non-linear open-ended style of RS and thought the game dragged on forever without getting to the point and fell off the series. I've been cautiously curious about this new entry and remain completely neutral towards it after your review, but I do appreciate you helping give more details about the game experience. Thanks for all the great work you do and congrats on keeping up that sick Rambo bod, brother. Cheers mate!
Thanks so much my man!
I enjoyed the demo I did expect it to be more like minstrel song and less like scarlet grace I’m hoping for a physical seen it on play asia and will happily wait 😊
Tried playing a SaGa game once, but the ONE thing that I HATED about those games was PERMADEATH!!! Never played another one like it again. So, I'm playing the demo right now, and I actually like it. Cause turned based RPG gaming is just right up my alley, and NO PERMADEATH. What I like about this game is that there's no end in sight and the stories are based on what you choose. The story is in your hands is what I feel in this game. I may get it eventually, but I may wait for a sale someday.
The only SaGa game that truly has (virtually) 100% permadeath is Romancing SaGa 2. That's probably the harshest SaGa game overall.
The other SaGa games have various penalties for having a character reach LP=0:
- Romancing SaGa 3: Character is kicked out of your party, not recruitable again until you defeat one of the four major bosses of the game. If a character does reach LP=0 during the endgame (when all four of the major bosses have been defeated), then it might as well be permadeath. If your Protagonist reaches LP=0 it's Game Over.
- Romancing SaGa: Minstrel Song: Character is kicked out of your party, and you just need to wait a certain amount of time before you can re-recruit them. There are a few characters that can only be recruited once, so an LP=0 might as well be permadeath, but that only applies to mercenaries, Brau, Sylvan, True Darque, the Dragon Knight, and (in the original PS2 version) Frielei (you can re-recruit Frielei in the remaster). Again, if your Protagonist reaches LP=0 it's Game Over.
- SaGa Frontier: Character is out of commission until you rest at an inn. That's it. Protagonist LP=0 is still Game Over, though.
- SaGa Frontier 2: Character is out of commission until you rest at an inn. Protagonist LP=0 is still Game Over.
- Unlimited Saga: Character is out of commission until the end of the mission (where everyone is restored to full LP). Protagonist LP=0 is still Game Over.
- SaGa Scarlet Grace: Character is out of commission for a certain number of battles. This includes your Protagonist, so LP=0 for them is NOT an automatic Game Over! I never tried LP-killing every character in my party and then battling though--that might be one of the few ways to Game Over in Scarlet Grace.
@@killerb255Man, when I realized that a character dying in Romancing Saga 2 wasn't a big deal that game became so much easier... All the way up until I faced off with the last boss and won by the skin of my teeth after like 40 attempts where absolutely everything went exactly my way.
Dude how do you have time to get ripped with all those video games??
Personally I'm kind of hoping that they don't let you go back and do the quests you chose to pass up. I can hear the OCD JRPG players screaming at my comment but it would really add a nice layer of choice & consequence we really don't get in JRPG's. Plus it would force players forward so they don't get stuck in an endless side quest hunting/grinding feedback loop.
Have you played SaGa Scarlet Grace? That game does just that in many ways. End result: I had to spend 1200+ hours on that game in order for the guide I wrote on GameFAQs to be as comprehensive as it is! I'm not saying that as a flex...I'm saying that to show one of the possible consequences of your line of thinking.
I also did that because other players won't want to do that much! There are so many games out there competing for players' time, and developers need to take that into consideration now.
@@killerb255 They 100% do not need to take that into consideration. Lets be real: SaGa games for the most part have never been a paragon of things like "player friendliness" or "respecting players time", hell your comment about your guide you wrote is testament to that. SaGa games are more akin to old German DOS RPG's where they'll give you a great experience but they expect you to play by their rules or suffer, it's what SaGa players come for and it's what they expect, it's part of the franchises charm.
The demo is a lot longer 😅
They are really PUSHING "the replay this game" angle even for the demo.
Each of those 3 worlds has multiple scenarios but if you choose to directly go after the spirits you skip everything and have to start over to see the rest.
I didn't know each console has a different character for the demo. Now I'm gonna play the switch ver.
Oh shit. He's already on to it. Lol. Downloading demo now.
Been looking forward to seeing what this is about. Screen shots look terrible. Lol
SaGa's always going to be low budget because its mechanics often turn off casual players.
Meh, the dialogue looks too much like a graphic novel for me,but i'll check it out when game releases.
bro your muscles getting bigger every day, it's not good to spent all points in str ^^
Played the PS5 demo. Am I the only one that has no idea what's going on? Not sure what doors I am supposed to go to or even what my decision making matrix is to decide on which ones to go to. I thought I was gonna go 1 by 1 but then half them disappeared. Minotaur dude in the second area kicking my butt can't get through the 3rd try on him (after you beat him keeps making you fight him again).
Too many things are telling me this is a freemium mobile game. The android/ios ports, steam not showing a price to ore-order, the budget cutting seen in the game...
I'm keeping my expectations low.
3:16 Might just be me, but I've found that a lot of recent JRPG's have had some pretty funny translations. Whether that's because the actual line in Japanese was quite funny and that Japanese can in fact be very funny, or just English translators have been taking a lot of liberties with their translations to make lines actually funny to western audiences, I can't really say. Works for me though.
Really wish they woulda stuck with the beautiful art style of frontier 2 as hd2d . Romancing and frontiers were my jams.
These last 2 entries were way too far a departure for me
It's probably because game development is so expensive now, and SaGa's not a high-selling franchise. Therefore, they're going to be low budget for the foreseeable future.
I haven’t played a “Saga” game in a while but this one caught my eye. But David… David!!! You forgot to mention that the demo is also available on Steam!!! (Cause some of us are playing on a Switch Pro, I mean “Steam Deck” 😂).
It wasn’t available yet when I created the review. It went live much later than the console demos.
@@davidvincI figured it was something like that!
from the demo, this is looking like a mobile game, quality wise. its weird.
Someone probably said it but there is a demo on steam that lets you play as Diva No. 5
Ah! I looked when I was DLing it for the PS5 and it wasn’t there. Maybe it uploaded late or something
@@davidvinc im really glad you enjoyed the demo, I was waiting patiently for your thoughts :)
@@davidvinc Playstation gets Mido, Steam gets Diva, and Switch gets Ameya.
@@davidvinc The Steam demo was released later than the PS4/5 and Switch demos.
“A good SaGa, not a weird SaGa” sounds very promising.
Played the demo last night..story didnt really pull me in and im over the LN style cutscenes but i love a good turned based system so ill wait for a sale ..
Im searching but didnt found information,does someone know if Emerald saga beyond going to BE avaiable in europe physical?if not does someone know if The physical japanese version Will have voices and subtitles in english?thanks
No voiceacting? No buy. Ezy xd
Game looks good, but the battle UI has to be one of the worse UIs I’ve seen in modern JRPGs.
Does anyone else think it's a little embarrassing how small the budget is for these games? Surely Square Enix could spring for something a bit more polished than static images with no voice acting in place of actual cutscenes. Both this and Scarlet Grace are just so hideous and cheap looking, especially with that horrible filter they apply to the characters. Plus they are charging the same price for this as they are for Star Ocean: The Second Story R which is a million times more polished in every way. I just don't get it.
Probably invested too much in NFTs
The budget's small because SaGa simply doesn't sell as much as other AA titles. We are a small but loyal fanbase--keyword: "small." Small fanbase = lower budget.
The more SE invests and polishes, the less "rpg" their games are. We either get low production value rpg or polished turds like FF16.
It is sad as someone who loves SaGa but turn based JRPGs are kind of a dying breed so I take what I can get. Especially ones that pride themselves on having some difficulty!
I totally understand that it can be a turn off for a lot of people with the pop up book graphics and static cutscenes.
Emerald Beyond is a huge step up for the series graphically and the combat is a refined version of SSG's already amazing battle system. Still need work on the art and stuff, but I'm hoping it does well so maybe I can get some voice acting for the next game.
Yeah, I couldn't believe this is actually a part of SaGa franchise... I don't say it'd be bad game, but it looks dated and very low budget :(
Its not for me I don't even like the Previous Saga games for its battle systems.
...sees username...not surprised at all, given your preference of "If I can't be overpowered, I can't enjoy this."
I hate how this game looks, Imma skip it, but thanks for the info on it David!
I've tried to get into a lot of the SaGa games (specifically, the Final Fantasy Adventure games and the first Romancing SaGa), but the only one that ever really clicked with my is Frontier. Don't know if that counts as a good SaGa or a weird SaGa; I'm of the opinion that it's both, but I tend to like weird. I think a big part of it is that it has such a beautiful and wondrous universe to explore, but I do like the weirdly quirky battle system, the fact that they FINALLY got the stat leveling from Final Fantasy 2 to work, the unorthodox but surprisingly deep and progressive characters and stories (Asellus's life is so eerily similar to my own), and that soundtrack has taken residence in my SOUL. Seriously, it might be my all-time favorite RPG full stop; I replayed it last October and it kicked long-reigning champ Live-A-Live (which I'm not sure I even have the patience for anymore) right off that mountain. Not totally sure if I'd be into this SaGa either, but if I do wind up playing and enjoying it, I'm sure it'll be for totally different reasons; I think SaGa Frontier is doomed to be one of those games I want more of, but the rest of the franchise is just too different to satisfy that, like with Legacy of the Wizard.
The graphics look so bland and cheap, especially when they put those static, generic anime character illustrations over those really uninspired backgrounds. Like damn... I wouldn't recognize this as a SaGa game if you didn't tell me. I will happily stick to the original trilogy for this series.
EDIT: My history with this series is that Final Fantasy Legend was the first handheld RPG I ever owned, way back in 1989. I have fond memories of playing it in the car, in bed, on the toilet, etc. FFL2 was even better and became my favorite game in the series. FFL3 was one I wanted to like, but it leaned a little too heavily into the sci-fi themes for my liking; I loved the medieval and mythological flavors of the first two games quite a bit. I learned so much about mythological creatures from those games because I'd look up the creatures referenced on an old Encyclopedia Britannica CD rom I had in the early 90s. I've also played the Wonderswan Color remake of FFL (Makaitoushi SaGa) and the DS remake of FFL2 but never got around to playing the DS remake of FFL3. I should get around to that!
Hi David
So, this main guy, he uses... puppets? Literally the first thing I thought of was Cornet and Kururu from Rhapsody!! Tell me he gets a Ledgem. Any game with a cute bunny casting Meteor spells is gonna be a good time, as far as I'm concerned.
SaGa is WILD. My husband and I are both huge into it, but I find it interesting that we started at two different points. My first encounter with SaGa was on the Gameboy. I had Final Fantasy Legend II and III as a kid, but my husband got started with SaGa Frontier because he didn't have a Gameboy. But while we both love certain titles of the series, we both absolutely HATE some, too. Like, WTF even was Unlimited SaGa?! That was a mess. I never did figure it out. I find it funny that Akitoshi Kawazu has been the lead on some of my favorite games ever, and some of the games I despise the most. I have shouted "DAMN IT, KAWAZU!" a few times while playing his games. XD
It looks like this is one of those games where every choice matters, and you'll be thinking about every decision you make as it radically changes what your course will be. You didn't mean to get sent away that fast to a new world, get a robot spy, and then suddenly get him exiled. But you thought like in any other RPG game to explore, talk, get some clues and your bearings. I'm not sure if I like that or not? But it IS interesting. The end result could either be a total blast or a total bust.
I totally hated the demo ahaha this kind of game is definitely not for me! Even if I wish for! Glad you enjoy !
Fair enough!
SaGa's not for everyone. That's fair.
Awful demo. Looks like a smartphone game ported to consoles
What are the good sagas?
All of them imo
All of them, but if you're trying to get into the series I'd start with SaGa Frontier, Romancing SaGa 3, or the Romancing SaGa 1 remake Minstrel Song. They're probably the most new player friendly.
@@LucaFox thank you so much!
I feel like i'll be able to finish this one.
I played some saga games cuz i like the idea of these games. But i ended up feeling totally lost while facing very strong enemies.
Couldnt finish any game of the franchise. I did push a lot in scarlet but not enough
Saga and I don't have a good history. The gameboy ones annoyed me for various reasons, only bothering to beat one of them, and then later on one I played had story progression tied to party level but nothing told me that so I just went around fighting everything and got to a point where I was too late to do anything and basically got stuck. I looked up a guide and found the problem was I leveled up too much and would basically need to restart the game. I was like F this and returned the game to the friend I was borrowing it from and never went to another Saga game again.
i hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate the pseudo-exploration. Have I mentioned I hate it?
What do you mean by "pseudo-exploration"?
@@killerb255That 95% of exploration takes place on a world map type thing like the previous saga game. It turned what was one of my favorite all time series into something I dont look forward to anymore. I want the more classic style exploration back.
Doesnt look too bad of a saga game but my favorite was kinda the 2nd saga game and maybe the 1st saga game
I dislike the aesthetic, and art style so much, that I'm completely turned off from the game. I prefer the looks of Minstrel Song over this. I know I'm being a grouchy, but it's just how I feel lol.
I cannot stand the art style the games have taken ever since the “remake” of the 1st Saga game.
The series is way too weird now, I hate the graphic novel talking points now, I miss having towns, I hate how the world looks like those pop up birthday cards.
Please give me Saga Frontier 2 and the older games back. Call me a boomer, I really don’t care. I can’t stand the path the series is going now.
Romancing SaGa 2 is one of the finest RPGs of the 16 bit era and it’s such a shame it took them until 2017 to release it in the US. I think the view of the series would be vastly different had the Romancing trilogy been released here in its era. Saga Frontier was too much of a shock to many fans who only knew Square for FF at that point. The only 2 games in the series I would call weird is the third game in the series-because it isn’t a SaGa and Unlimited Saga-well, because it’s fucking weird-though I have finished 5 of the 7 stories. I’ve been with the series most of my life and will continue until Mr. Kawazu decides to retire. So excited for this game!
Now if only tiny indie Dev Square Enix would release the SaGa games physically.
The menu navigation on the switch version is soooo slow. Setting up your party is quickly becoming a nightmare even in the demo
“Good SaGa vs Weird SaGa” cracked me up. Honestly, this is the real difference for most of the series
My first SaGa game was SaGa Frontier and I just didn't understand it. I was riding on a FFVII high and was quickly humbled by how different it was. I haven't tried them since. I would try again with this game but there's no physical for the PS5 so I'll have to pass.
I'll keep an eye on this but it won't be a day 1 thing. I'm still enjoying DD2 and just decided to replay ff8 despite having a fairly large backlog.
Hopefully you do an update once youve finished the game @davidvinc
That's the plan!!
As of right now the demo is available on steam deck so it should be on pc and the character you play as is Diva no.5
Combat looks fun. This would be a great mobile game.