Forged Gun Barrel - Method 1
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- čas přidán 28. 03. 2020
- I misspeak a few times in the video, please hold your comments/corrections until the end of the video, where I inserted a correctional clip
Forging a short section of barrel using the “Whitley” method as described by Alex Bealer in his book “the art of blacksmithing” to use for forging/machining practice and to do destructive testing on later.
Starting stock was 1/2”x1” (13x25mm) mild steel flat bar, and a 1/4” (6mm) groove is fullered down the middle of the bar. The flats of the octagon were roughly 3/8” (10mm) wide.
This is the method I would prefer to use, it was very quick and easy to produce this 4” (100mm) pistol barrel, hopefully it survives destructive testing.
Can’t wait to see you try and blow em up!
Looking forward to that myself! It’s gonna be a fun day 😎
@@veteranironoutdoors8320 nice my friend I need a suggestion from you
Destructive tests of the differing methods of forging a barrel might be interesting .. I'm guessing that although Whitley's method could produce a barrel faster, wrapping a bar around a mandrel would produce a barrel capable of withstanding higher pressures .. Loving this entire series, sir!
Heres the video! czcams.com/video/zjX2iLeC8Hg/video.html
And I have concluded the only reason the coiled barrel is stronger is because it saw triple the welding heats of the orher barrels.
Thats fascinating Jarod , I have wondered how barrels were made and you are going to show me at least 3 methods! Be watching all of them, you can bet on that!
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!............... Ur a hero dude!
if someday guns be totally banned. U can do one out of some metal pieces!
The time is NOW! AR-15s are good. Combined arms resources from modern back to colonial are even better!
Completely forgot I had some of my Dad's Foxfire books, and I have #5! Thanks for the reminder and this great video.
I have both of those books. This is gonna be fun to follow. 👍❤️⚒️😉
Awsome work! Havnt seen this method before
It's so amazing too think that they did this back in the day cool man
The scary part is, the barrel is the easy part of the gun to make!
Good golly Sarge. That folded square technique is a stroke of genius! Two to three of the basic steps of making a barrel, done with a single folding and welding.
If you want to keep from collapsing the hole, a good technique is forging out a long round-stock mandrel to pound through it. Saw it on the video before me, seemed to work pretty good.
Ive found forging by myself, they suck the welding heat right out by the time you get it to the anvil, and if you insert at the anvil you get an absolute terrible weld around the bore that needs extra drilling out (not a bad thing if you are wanting to go large bore)
At this pont in time I have welded 14 barrels of various lengths without a mandrel, and have yet to collapse a bore using any of the 3 methods. (That being said I am diligent that I work the barrel evenly in its cross section)
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Ah yes, the heating issue was the one major thing I noticed with using a mandrel. I guess I don't mind working through more heats as much because I use propane. It's not as labor intensive as coal can be.
By the way, I tried contacting you via email for commission pricing but it got returned to sender. Are you not using that email anymore?
@@robertlombardo8437 That is my main email, however you are not the first to have problems contacting me, so I have created an Email specifically for the CZcams channel: veteranironandwood@aol.com. Please try contacting me there!
You are one heck of a good blacksmith. I can tell you're the real deal
Thanks!
Fantastic work!
Thank you!
Hell yeah! I’d like to have set up like that one day! More power to ya, keep it up!
The forge is modeled after the forge that is in the historical blacksmiths shop not far from where I live, that my blacksmithing group does demos and history days out of from time to time.
this is a fun experiment
Awesome!
very nice
You’ve earned a subscriber for this! Found you on the Facebook group
Thanks Tyler! Hope this series helps you out in your escapades.
Awesome
You would love where I live.. You can dig up Anthracite in my yard. I live in North Eastern PA where all the Anthracite comes from. I live 1/4 mile from the mines entrance.
Wanna bring me a truck load? Im only a state or two over in Nebraska haha
Will get it sooner than layer
please document the rest of the build.
I definitely will be!
Cool
good job .. whats the material you spread on iron .. whats the powder ??
abbasi alirqi Flux. In this case it is laundry Borax.
عراقي
Thank you for your Service Sir.
And thank you for being the kind of person worth serving.
What does the borax do?
It is a flux, an agent that chemically bonds to the impurities on the surface of the steel and carries them away under the blow of the hammer, leaving clean surfaces for welding to occur, thus minimizing the chance of flaws in the weld.
When you start your testing I have a 0-1 tenths mic you can borrow That will tell you if you have any swelling
Thanks!
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Wow 17 min and not first :)
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Bro you gotta translate that for me. I cant tell if thats korean or chinese so I dont even know what to plug into a translator.
Hmm. Interesting... I always wanted to make a wrapped barrel . A damascus barrel as they are commonly but wrongly called.
I'd imagine the bore mandrel would be the hardest part to make or aquire. Forge welding thin strips of steel together , while tightly wrapping them around the mandrel to make helical layers . Building up until you have the desired and uniform wall thickness and an undersized bore. Rifling can be made by continuing with the mandrel work or cut rifling ...or leave it a smooth bore if desired. Note a shotgun barrel is not just a tube. It has an internal constriction ,called a forcing cone at the end of the chamber. Plus at the muzzle end, between 6-10 inches back from the muzzle itself, is an area about 3 inches long that is not polished as well as the rest of the bore. This area slows shot cups and wadding, causing drag which eases seperation of the projectile payload from the cup . That area is not used in slug guns made for sabots . This is a big reason why shot is not recommended through them. Foster slugs are slightly under sized , and utilize that area to make a good projectile to bore seal.
The meplat area of the slug slows down faster then the base , so it expands the slug. At least when the barrel is made correctly .
Very cool experiment . My only gripe here is the " proof loadings ". They are not proof loadings ,they are just overpressure loads. there is a formula to follow to say it is proofed. Specific levels of over pressure are used to know the gun is safe with all commercial ammunition, yet does not induce structural issues. Called a red pill , it is loaded to be %70 percent over pressure versus a standard factory loading of the ammo type. The sequence is factory , plus %30 , inspect then plus %70 , and inspect. Magnetic particle inspection is done after proofing to look for microscopic cracks and flaws like internal stretching at the throat . A borescope with high magnification can be used but is less effective than mpi ,but far better than no inspection. Good video, it made me think
You are SO wrong on so many things in your comment, I am embarrassed for you.
1-Yes it is called a damascus barrel. Thats what they called them back then so that is the correct term.
2-the bore mandrel would be the easiest part to make out of the whole gun.
3-you, with no demonstrated blacksmithing knowledge, are trying to tell me (a blacksmith) and others reading this on how it should be done? Gtfo guy.
4- you CANNOT make rifling with a mandrel and a hand hammer. That is a very specialized industrial process that requires special tool steels, very short working times, and a very heavy trip hammer and dies.
5-dont know where you were going with the shotgun barrel info, but that’s common knowledge guy.
6-“they are not proof loadings, they are just overpressure loads” UM, what do you think a proof load is, dumbass.
7-the saami indusry standard proof load is 125% of the cartridges maximum sammi rated psi, not 70%. So if it is a 55k psi cartridge they proof it at 68,750psi.
8-the barrel was measured at several different lengths with a digital caliper pre and post firing to see if there were any bulges or swelling.
Anti gun screeching intensifies
TECHNICALLY, it’s not a firearm according to US law 👌
@@veteranironoutdoors8320 and technically the 2nd is meant to stop idiots in the government from taking guns but you see how that works
Nick Luther I hope you have your big igloo gear ready.
@@veteranironoutdoors8320 I'm in Italy now, but I have a stash in the states.
How about some gloves, apron and eye protection. I have seen some real artist on the anvil.
Nope. There is such a thing as “so safe it’s dangerous” and thats it right there.
This is nothing new. They were making barrels like this for 200 years. Just now we have better steel to start with. Nice work. Should hold with Black powder. Smokeless load might be different.