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Very funny, no seriously. What should I get? Anything except a Versys 650.
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You should specify the TYPE of engine & bike. I could see a beginner starting with a RE Super Meteor 650.
thankfully the almighty hayabusa isnt a 600cc bike,that just certifies its status as the best beginner bike
I saw a crashed 'Busa for part-out on Craigslist with FOUR miles on the clock. I assume some 17-year-old bought it as their first bike and immediately put it into a pole.
@sweetdeliciouscake That's crazy dude. $20000 motorcycle and they rode it 11k feet. (Usually new bikes have 2 miles)
@@sweetdeliciouscake i actually started riding recently and the bike i used was a 1994 yamaha TTR250 making 30hp,at some points i was actually suprised by the power a tiny lil single cylinder enduro can make,if that was a liter bike i wouldve crashed it already,idk why anyone would get a 600 or stronger as a beginner(being 17 i think your assumption is completely correct and i blame the clout boy drag race culture where hayabusas are prevalent)
Exactly
😂😂😂😂😂
"Should I start on a 600?"
The correct answer is "You should start on a 50cc when you're 7 years old. That's the right way to do it!"
crap, im screwed then. I started 42 years too late.
Bingo. My first street bike was a 600 and I had zero problems, owing to the fact I grew up on dirt bikes. I outgrew the 600 in about 2 years.
oh yah thats what i did, crashed my first 600
Fact💯
Been trying to get Yammie to do a video on kids and youth bikes.
When you bury your first friend who died on a fast bike it tends to focus your mind.
Never confuse your ambition with your aptitude
This one right here hits close to home. Always loved bikes and wanted one, best friend from high school got one first, and passed away later that year, cager at fault for making improper left turn. Burying your friend is something that stays with you, I like to think that I've been guided from some potentially perilous accidents by his spirit
@artyomroukas4664 using the word cager is some of the cringest shit ever, I'm sure your buddy would be here if he wasn't doing 100 mph lol
@@carbq5280don’t shit on people for losing their life just for being stupid in a moment. It’s tragic either way. Imagine that one time you decided to do a little pull you got cut off and died would you want people to say you died bc you WERE an idiot instead of saying you did something stupid and it cost you.
watched my friend when he was riding drunk and fast got clipped and went face first into the "beatification" rocks on the side of the hwy. died on scene
@@drakeb6168 many such cases
If your group thinks less of you for the bike you ride, you’re in the wrong group.
Not being an idiot is key. I understand that is a lot to ask.
That is a fact.
@@RicoR1DES especially when our reptilian brain starts having fun and says "more throttle... more!". =D
You should really clarify here... A ZX6R is WAY different than a Versys 650, which is what I started on as a 6'4 32 year old male. I truly believe that I bought a fantastic beginner bike.
Yup, same for me, I loved the Versys 650, though I found it to be pretty top heavy for learning so I ended up selling it and getting a Versys X-300 instead which is perfect for me. Light, better setup for off road and fast enough for the highway
I'm a little confused myself actually, as a complete noob.. Is a 650 not even more power then a normal 600? Why would a 650 anything be easier?
@@Strothix Gearing, weight, profile. The Versys is a touring motorcycle a different design goal to a track bike so it's purpose is more 'sensible'. It doesn't mean you can't go fast but the rider position etc is more suited for longer trips.
@@kuangsheng3891 Ahh ok i see, thanks!
@@Strothix”600” is just a motor class in motorcycles. 600cc in-line 4’s. The only real exception is the 636. They all make 110-120hp or so. 650’s are typically parallel twins that rev lower, so much less power
MT07 first bike right here! I'm very happy with it. Taking things slow. My riding style is more laidback. I'm more into cruising with some power vs thrills and adrenaline.
MT07 is a great bike, I love mine
Same here. Comfortable cruising and very "flickable" on twisties. Occasionally get a 0-60 thrill on a red light.
MT07 has 54 KW, relatvely easy handling, ABS and stuff.. this video is more about people buying 15 year old 80 kW (120bhp) 600cc Yamaha R6s. It's a completely different beast to your MT07
Still you'd probably learn faster on a more suitable bike in the 40ish kW range, which you can ride to it's limit without really hitting your own. But you do you. If you're alright with taking it slow on a faster bike! MT07 is great, many happy journeys!
Started on a 1984 Honda Shadow 500cc in 1984 perfect bike for me stopped riding in 92 just bought my second bike a 2023 Triumph 660 Tiger wouldn’t recommend anything more then a 500 for a first bike and should be mandatory to take a course first.
Best bike for the money in my opinion.
MT03 rider here! Perfect first bike! Easy to control and honestly does everything any person would need for a daily bike. When I do upgrade to a 07 or 09 I will definitely keep the Mt03 in my stable. Happy with my first bike choice!
I started on a 06 R6 with no experience or friends that had bikes. I still own the bike today. No crashes or drops.
major props for the self control but i have that engine in my bike and im the same way solely cause its terrifying asf to have that power
You were disciplined enough to start slow and learn slow. Please tell me if you rode other bikes or 4 wheelers before. I’m a new rider on a 600 and I have no problem shifting and braking so I’m scared I’ll kill myself because I can go fast and stop fast but none of the advanced skills are there otherwise.
Ok....still a terrible beginner bike.
u r MAN.
"I wANt A BiKe I cAn gRoW INtO"
Old man Squid here (54), inspired in part by watching this channel, passed MSF in April.
Took all the Yam advice to heart. Royal Enfield Hunter 350. Not too heavy, not too much power, forgiving gear box, great size.
It's been perfect as a starter. I'll move up to something bigger in a couple seasons.
Meantime, love riding my slow bike fast.
Brilliant. 👌🏻
the "bros" who start on 600's bikes are on marketplace for MSRP in less than 1 year (dropped "lightly"), then they never touch a motorcycle ever again. 🤣
😂 true!!
We always laugh about this, and claim it happens, but until I bought mine a year and a half ago, I had never actually seen it. I was looking for a cbr600rr or a cb1000r August of 2022, and couldn’t find either within 2,000 miles of central Arkansas. Called a local shop the morning I was looking, and they told me they had a cbr1000rr. I told them I wasn’t looking for a liter bike. I was coming from a 2006 cbr600rr. The universe aligned, and I wound up driving past that shop, 2 hours away from where I live, a few hours later, so I went in, sat on my 2021 cbr1000rr, and I was doing paper work in fifteen minutes. lol. I was really impressed with how small it is. I’m 5’5”. 😂 It’s tall, but it only weighs 434 pounds, and it rides like it’s as small as it feels it is. There was one that was identical to it in the used section. I asked about it, because it had a radiator guard, rail tidy, and a few other things. A guy bought it, rode it until the 600 mile first service, left their shop after the service, took it to redline on the interstate outside the shop, and rode back to trade it in on an Indian. 😂😂
I started on a gixxer 600, 20 years ago here in LA, …still riding, daily..fjr1300
So true. I know a few guys like this even.
The truest comment on this video.
I'm a dirt bike Kyle kid and I still got a 390 duke. It's an absolute blast on Twisties. I love wringing the thing out
Yam limiting his content to just street bikes was a huge drag. I barely watch now. Dirt bikes, Super Motos, and Enduros are just as cool as liter bikes and Busas. Probably cooler. Channel fail.
Dukes are super fun!
I Learned to ride on a 1975 Honda CB750 Four K5... on the way home... after I bought it! 🤪
It took me an hour and a half for a twenty minute trip.
You mean when there were no cell phones, crazy bad drivers, and much less traffic? 🤙🤙
Reminds me of my first ride home. Terrified on the Richmond bridge.
@@NoFrictionZone
Yup... back in the Stone Age.
I had to chisel out my own tires for it at the local quarry! 👍😄
Best thing you can do to gain experience quick without much risk is go offroad on a used 125cc dual sport.
I’d partly agree. You get a lot of throttle control and forgiving falls.
No. 125cc doesn't teach you proper throttle control. You are wide open all the time lol
@@huskers1278 then try drifting on gravel without throttle control
@@huskers1278off-road teaches you better throttle control and traction. No ones full throttling a 125cc dual sport In the dirt
@@vebez5993 What are you talking about? You can easily full throttle 125cc, it's not that powerful, it doesn't even wheelie on dirt without releasing clutch. With 250cc 2-stroke you can do power wheelies and need to be more careful with the throttle
Reason why I always have this question always comes down to price of bikes, a lot of people say start low because eventually you’ll want to upgrade, I would rather buy once then buy twice
buy a used bike first. use it for 1 or 2 years. that way you are not really losing any money. buy a bike for 3k and sell it for 2.5k ..... if you think 500 is too much money to invest for 2 years of riding then do not start at all. if you go for some cheaper 300ccm bikes you can even buy a new one for 3k. a VOGE 300AC is about 3k where i live
@@ShadowMcSneaky I’d never buy another bike new, why pay a bunch of dealer fees and have your bike depreciated 2-3k after driving it home your first time. I’d always buy 1-4 year old bikes with under 7k miles from a dealer, definitely the way to go!
Get a 650-700cc bike not a 600cc inline 4 super sport lol
@@panda4757 it always depends on what you want. but you can save a lot of money if you buy used :) and i would always advise to do so when you are a beginner. the chance of you dropping it is higher and is very annoying to drop a new bike that you payed a lot of money for. but some people always want new stuff so i mentioned the 300ccm from Voge to show that there are even new bikes that can be affordable. it is a good beginner bike.
@@vebez5993 some riders want to go faster than 130mph, others have no desire to ever hit 100mph. Got speed demons, stunt riders, track racers and then there’s Harley riders/biker club nuts. Just depends on the rider, if you die then you’re dead, if you get hurt then you live in pain and are in debt with the hospital. You Pick, Americas a free country.
AS SOMEONE THAT STARTED ON A 600 YALL LISTEN UP!! Please listen to this man. I know some people don’t like him but he seriously is looking out for everyone. For those of you that think you’ll be responsible on a 600.. I understand. I truly do. I felt the same way and I like to think I’m a pretty responsible individual. The power you THINK you’re going to get?.. Double it or even triple it. It seriously is a lot of power guys. Not only that but the 250 you learned on(in the MSF course) is nowhere close to the weight you’re going to feel. It’s a different beast and for your own safety get comfortable with something smaller please. Enjoy the ride with something smaller. If you’re really in this for the enjoyment of riding and not just for show, you will enjoy whatever you get. Be safe y’all and keep 2 wheels down 🤝🏾
I started on a cbr600f3. I no longer have a license.
And I crashed into a lightpole and could seriously have died. I was depressed and let my emotions overwhelm me and I was not careful enough. One moment of being careless almost costed me everything.
I even started on a cbr300r, but I stepped up way too soon.
Great video! I’m amazed that motorcycle curious individuals and new riders are still asking this question. With that said I started on a turbo Hayabusa because I’m the only living exception to this golden rule.
Old fart new rider here, and I bought a used 2012 CBR250RA from a friend who had used it to teach her daughter how to ride. I watched a lot of videos, did research online, and tried to think about how long it takes me to recover from rugby before I finally pulled the trigger. I've only been riding for about 9 months, but am just now getting into highway riding. Everyone needs to do their own research and, as you said, know their own limitations or decide how much risk they are willing to take.
Why’d it take you 9 months to get on to the highway?? The highway is safer anyways
@@vebez5993 because highways in Texas are absolute madness, and while I like riding, I like living more. So progression meant taking it slow.
@@Modanogrrrl oh yeah Texas freeways are bad. That’s valid
you're not wrong, there's nothing to prove if you're at a sensible age and like living rather than risking it all..
On the rare occasion when I want to rip at 90mph on my Harley I'll get on I45 and go. There isn't much I'm outrunning though!
Start on a 250cc, 400cc, or 650cc, but not a 600cc.
650 was my starter lol
125cc is fast enough
@@IntrovertMaxxing 125 are usually little and light bikes, its too small for me
@@drozdforce8853 I'm a big dude too...tbf I prob look fkd up riding one 🤣
Glad that zx4rr is 400cc😊
Thanks Yammie, very helpful your explanations. I saw the whole Video and after it I have this question: should I begin in a 600cc or not?
Started on a '17 CB500F, graduated to a '15 Ninja 650R w/ABS, picked up a HD Iron 883 Sportster and now I'm on an '06 CBR600RR. Honestly been a great progression for me and absolutely more than happy with each of these phases over the last 4 years.
Getting my first street bike next week with the New ‘24 KTM Duke 990. Been riding dirt bikes for 20 years, I’m 33 now. I’m a KTM Kyle, owning 3 525’s and a 530 with two of them street legal.
I started with a 07 GSXR 600. coming from dirt bikes an ATV . BUT I GOT BORED OF BIke RIDING , NOW 10YRS LATER I WANT A BOBBER
I started a year ago on an mt07 and it's a great beginner bike if you have some self control. Awesome bike!
I've had a ninja 400 for a couple years now. And aboslutely love going through all the gear, rev-matching, lwaning it over and using all the gears. I know, I won't ever be able to use even a 400 to its full capability.
I recently tried out my dream bike (cbr 600rr) and got to take it around town and i absolutely hated it. I was bored driving around town in only first. Leaning it over felt heavy and took far more effort than i wanted to put it. I will admit when it was leaned over far enough I understood the sweet spot and what it was made to do.
Im 28. I don't have desire to go full pin in a straight away (yes, i do get an itch to go fast every once in a while, I'll admit) but i do want enjoy tackling twisties and just understanding a bike.
I was disappointed by the cbr. Not because it wasnt a good bike but because i realized that traditional 600s wasnt for my style.
I'm now leaning towards a street triple or an aprilia rs 660 but I will definitely try to test ride them.
Im not tired of my 400 even a few years later and i definitely think its enough for commuting, twisties, track and most if not all people for street and some fun.
Ive never been discouraged by people that talk down to me for having smaller bike (theres been a lot) but the handful in the biking community that understand its enough and still incredibly fun, those are the real ones.
Anyways, sorry for the rant.
I started on a CBR250RR (similar enough to a Ninja 400, just far sportier in the riding position) and my original plan was to use the CBR250RR as practice to work my way up to my dream bike which was also the CBR600RR. I ended up getting a Street Triple RS. In reality you would probably find that the Street Triple is essentially a naked version of these 600cc supersports minus the back breaking ergonomics. On the mountain twisties though the Street Triple is simply *chef's kiss*, and if you open the throttle it pulls in ways you won't experience on those actual beginner SS like the Ninja 400 etc - afterall this class of bikes all makes something like 3 times the power on similar weight. However in city traffic on the Street Triple you'll be going no higher than 3rd gear punting around at 3500rpm cos anything higher you'll be kissing your license goodbye in no time with all the cops and speed traps around, just like the CBR600RR.
If you love working the throttles and gears don't bother looking at bikes with 100+PS.
The thing with the acceptance in groups is: I'm from Germany and I ride for 2.5 years. I started with A2 when I was 20. Now I have the unrestricted license for a half year. Since the start I have a Suzuki SV650. In no situation someone tried to mock me because I had not enough power. All I hear is: „oh yeah I rode a SV650 as a beginner too. Always regretted selling it. Such a great motor.“ And when someone tries to mock you because of your bikes power, don’t listen. There will not be much useful coming out of his mouth.
Every time I talk about getting my full A license people tell me to just go straight for 100+hp because everything below is "lazy", I've been riding my KTM 390s for 2 years now on road and track and I've never felt they're too slow. Only exception is on track when you get on a straight and everyone else with 100+ hp shoots off leaving me behind but I just catch up in the corners most of the time
The thing is in the UK starting on a 600 is normal because our testing is way more thorough unlike America where you drive round three cones and then are given a license 😂
Just watched the rest of the video where you touch on that. Definitely a US problem
You guys can't start on a super sport 600, though? I thought that you still had power to weight restrictions?
@@davidbrayshaw3529 The three-tier license means that if you're 23 you can ride a full power bike. There's no power-to-weight restrictions. Just 125cc / 11kw for A1, 35kw for A2, unrestricted for A.
@@fnglert24
Yeah, that’s not the test here at all. When you take a riding course there’s a full riding test that’s longer and way more dynamic that the dmv. The dmv test is actually harder to pass considering there is a smaller course and less exercises.
Tuesday, just days ago, it’s now Thursday…..
I bought a Suzuki GSX 8S as my first bike. I e haven’t Rodin a motorcycle since I was 12, 30 years ago. So I’m a noob for sure. My motorcycle training class isn’t u til the first week in August, over a month from now.
Im gonna get myself a RE Bullet 350 because its sexy and within my skill-set 😂
My first road bike was a ‘97 Buell Cyclone. I pulled the trigger on a brand new bike. It taught me a lot. It was a torquey bike and I learned throttle control and smoothness pretty quickly. Powerful brakes, too. My big takeaway with this bike, was smoothness in all that you do, and respect it, or it will kill you. Simple as that.
I survived starting on an 07 CBR600RR. Rode curvy state roads and gradually added speed. Loved that bike. Just bought my 02 CBR954RR this month. Next bike will be a small beginner bike to up my skills so I can actually push the fireblade. No dirtbikes. Just respect for the machine and a twist of the wrist 2. ATGATT
50cc, 125cc, 500cc scooters. Then choose your bike of choice. I then switched to a 1984 1200cc goldwing. Stalled a few times and now im hitting the highways and canyon carving at only 22yrs old. Start small, progress as you feel comfortable.
There are also the old 600 cc naked like hornet 600 or xj6
But they are forgotten and no one wants them anymore with the raising of the parallel twin area
The Hornet was always underrated by the general public, even in it's day.
Hornet was my starter bike, looks cool, is light and easy in low rpm, and when you start to be confident enough it can go fast
Grew up on dirt bikes. Went for my first street bike and got told to go with a 300-400. I did. It lasted a month before I turned it in for the GSX 8R and I was instantly more comfortable with that then the 390 duke. So its not really a one size fits all answer. Brand new to riding? Absolutely start on a 300 or 400. As always, Yammie nailed it. Also you are the reason I went with that 8R and I thank you for that,
The truth is… you are mature.. 600 is fine.. if you are 18 and just want a bike tha does broom broom… Yea, get a 300
Ya 300 are still fun. use the whole bike all the time and man handle the sh*t of out it.
@@Adeus555 absolutely… i don’t mean that they are only for noobs, 300 are good. Furthermore, I never heard a good rider making fun of someone riding a 300. What i meant was, immature people want a “big” bike to brag, and disrespecting the machine gets you into trouble..
@@RedBeardp Im 40 and mature enough to know i should start on 300 , so i got the MT-03 having a blast with it , got into some situations i wouldnt get out of if i had a stronger machine. It was a good choice. But then again i also dont give a crap what others think, peer pressure is a nasty thing when you're young.
That's the catch 22 though, if you're 'mature' and have 0 experience, maturity would tell you starting on a straight up race bike is a bad idea and you should build up fundamentals on something else.
In respect to motorcycles, you can't say 'I'm mature' while also saying 'I want this race machine with 0 experience or knowhow'
The mature decision is entirely to just get something else. It's hubris telling us we can handle it.
Nah
Not all are fortunate enough to have an early start at riding. After 68 years as a rider, I feel a 125 to a 250 is starter bike size. Since during my first 4 years, I was too young to ride on the streets. It means I had to ride the trails and dirt roads. I learned more on that little 165cc two stroke in the dirt and gravel than you can imagine. By the time I got a 250 and hit the streets I was very comfortable with a motorcycle which made learning about traffic much easier and safer. Was flat tracking an XR750 Harley by age 16. Riding dirt will teach you more about motorcycle handling and dynamics than 10 years of street riding in less than 3 months. I would recommend doing some dirt time followed by hard surface road racing track days. After the above activities and 6 to 8 years on the mean streets, a motorcycle will be as natural and enjoyable as breathing. Now that all these many years have passed, I enjoy every ride with the anticipation and joy of April 6, 1956.
My husband wants to get me a Ninja 400 as my 1st “real” motorcycle, my apex would most likely be a 600 (I just want to get on the freeway if needed)… If I started riding in my teens-20’s, I don’t think I’d be here today…
I was “young n dumb” & love speed ✌️😂💜
But yam!!! I am a fast Boi and need a fast boi bike. I rode an 80cc dirtbike once and I'm going to keep it in the low rpms!!!! Come on Yam!! Plus my civic has the same hp so I'm used to it.
Jokes aside I ride an r1 as a daily after years of stepping up and I approve men riding beginner bikes. I will give you nothing but props for getting a bike and learning.
I started actual street riding with a DR350. Rode it for a year or so then went to a pokey KLR 650, which felt like a superbike to me at the time. Now it feels like a little dirt bike. But I’m glad I started on a smaller bike. I’ve spoken at the funeral of a wonderful young man chose a CBR 600. Please don’t let that be you.
After 3 years on my Ninja 400, I feel absolutely zero desire to get a bigger bike. I’ve tried much bigger bikes and still prefer the 400. A lot of new riders have this misconception that they will eventually “grow out” of something like the 400 and need something bigger. The 400/500 class can simply do everything you need on any road. They’re cheaper, super reliable, and the light weight makes them too much fun. It’s like having a really zippy little Toyota hatchback that’s indestructible. Compared to cars they’re not actually slow. Specifically when you look at between 0 and 90. They can do 0-60 in 4 1/2 seconds. That’s super fast for car standards.
Too slow
@@DaltonNMantz to each their own. I choose the bike that I enjoy the most. Not what other people think is “fast enough”. Too slow for what? Are you a track rider, or like to go 100+ all the time?
@@DaltonNMantz I just saw your other comment. You only started riding a week ago and you think your 650 is too slow? Are you trying to set a land speed record? Try some twisty roads. They’re a whole lot better than the interstate.
I have been driving a bmw 310r for city commuting and it’s been great. I did all kinds of research and then just figured that any first bike between 250 and 400cc is fun and awesome to learn on. Also agree that 400cc on modern motorcycle is more than enough.
@@Dsanrideslet natural selection happen lol
I started on a 50cc Honda pre teen years, 250cc Honda was my first road bike 38 years ago!
Honda 750 works well for me these days!
I didn’t start on a 600 I started on a 1k. I was 49 years old but still started on a 2021 GSXR 1000. I had very little motorcycle experience but I’ve been riding atv’s since I was able to reach the controls. I’m not here to say anyone should or should not start on a 600cc+ sport bike just that i did it. I didn’t get a bike for years because i always wanted a sport bike, I mean the bike in Top Gun is what made me want a bike. The ZX1100 Ninja was my favorite bike for a long time, till the ZX1200 came out. I didn’t get one because I knew I would probably kill or at best severely injure myself. I made the decision last year that I was going to get a bike and I wanted a liter bike so that what I got. I know this is tltr but just some of my thoughts.
I started on an MT07 and I’m having a blast. I rode a 50cc during my teens and had car experience to know how to behave in the road, plus as a EU citizen I took my license course (with an MT07) and examination with an instructor that was all about safety and making yourself visible in the road. All of this led to being a good decision for me, but definitely not for everyone. The first time I drove that machine at the driving school it was scary AF, but in the end you gotta know your limits!
Huh, a complete beginner here that just started on 600cc honda few weeks ago. I'm on older side so didn't mean to drive a rocket, actually got this cbf600 without knowing much because it had a great price and condition. It is damn scary but fun and if I'm not splattered onto some wall in near future I'll comment here again :) Thanks for great videos btw mate.
When people (potential squids) on the internet talks about "600cc bikes as beginner bikes" they are specifically taking about 600cc supersports bikes - namely the Kawasaki Ninja ZX6, Honda CBR600RR, Yamaha R6 and Suzuki GSX-R600. These bikes make something between 100-120 horses on a sub-420 pound weight from the factory which means they have insanely high power to weight ratio (and if you crunch the numbers - better power to weight ratio than a good number of sports cars) so saying they are FAST is sort of an understatement, which is why the question of whether a beginner should get those as their first bike comes up.
Your CBF600 while technically a 600cc bike is not in the same category as these 4 bikes as it only makes like half the power with far more weight. So if you think your CBF600 is scary, think how much MORE scary it is when the power of your bike is doubled, and now picture a complete beginner trying to learn to ride on one....
@@nanaholic01 ohh, TIL, thanks!
My first bike at 17 in 1997 was a brand new ZX-6R. My second bike was a brand new 2000 R1. I kept both for a while. In 2001 I sold the Ninja. In 2002 I sold the R1, and bought a brand new GSX-R1000. Traded that in for a brand new K6 (still have it). 2008 bought an R6 that was 100% for the track. Sold it in 2012. In 2016 I bought a ZX-10R KRT. Still have both 2006 K6, and 2016 KRT 10R. So, to summarize my first bike was a 600. Rode it for 4 years and bought a 1000. Been riding liter bikes 24yrs. Zero regrets.
Started track days in ‘99 after having my 6R for 2yrs. Still prefer my liter bikes for the street. Having both offered some flexibility for how I wanted to ride though.
My wife managed oron a zx6r. Her 1st maiden trip was a euro tour to Italy’s northern lakes. However, she felt way more comfortable and at ease with a little gpz500s.
In U.K. to get a class A license which allows you to ride any size of bike is a 4 stage process. 1, compulsory basic training, in this you learn the basics of motorcycle riding . 2, Theory test with hazard perception 3, Off road test where you master slow speed manoeuvres 4, On road test
And here in New Zealand is basically the same. You have to go through learner phases on restricted Motorcycles before you are allowed to graduate to full power machines
As someone who swapped flying for riding (for montetary reasons) in his mid-50s, riding is therapy and pure zen....my wife has her meditation room, and I have my 2 wheels.....I rarely feel the need to rip it at 150 down the highway, but once in awhile....😄
In my part of the world, Australia, we have a restriction of power output for learners. We are allowed an engine restricted to 150 kilowatt per metric tonne, not exceeding 655cc. If you are younger and just starting out in your riding career, you have a learners permit for 12 months and then 2 years of a provisional licence. Then after that, you can get an unrestricted motorcycle.
Started on an 01 Suzuki Bandit GSF600S 600CC inline 4, honestly love it, enough power to give me some thrill, and let me slowly expand that thrill as I feel confident and comfortable, but enough power to keep me in check because I KNOW it can kill me if I fuck around (now of course, so can a 250cc if I tried hard enough, but you get my point)
Its my only bike, I started riding 3 weeks ago, have not dropped the bike or pushed it beyond what is reasonable (with some mild squiding involved), but never took risks beyond what I trust I can handle, no insane cornering, trying to stunt the bike, etc. I just want to ride. The 600 I got was the best condition used bike in my area and in my budget, and that's why I chose it
Fellas... kind off topic, but... can we finally agree that we RIDE motorcycles and we DRIVE cars? Can we? Thanks.
please keep these vlogs of you riding the sled so i can live vicariously through you until im hopefully able to get my own sled next year, when im more experienced and what not
He was a whole lot cooler when he had a dirt bike. He talks like dirt bikes are not motorcycles in this video. WTF. If you can ride a dirt bike proficiently you are not a beginner, period. Bikes are bikes.
This is why Kawasaki nailed it with the zx4rr. The sound of a 600 in a 400
Price is a lil too high though, that and the US model restricted is really the issue however
I have one and it's surprisingly fast not as fast as a 600 obviously, but it's fast enough for the rode and most things and it's fun af
@@kevsimoes You’ve got yourself a gem! I’m looking to buy one too.
@@kevsimoes great to hear that. I just need them prices to come down or the cfmoto 3 or 4 cylinder to drop and undercut Kawasaki. Whichever happens first
@Westside_Hippie yea I would say it's pretty pricey but l don't regret it
started on a 06 daytona 675 2 months ago, 1000 miles under my belt. started out rough first week but got much better after I started putting in repetition to practicing the basics. good starter bike for those who like the sport bike scene, at least in my opinion 👍
I ‘should’ have started on a 600 at 29 after driving a manual for the last 10 years. But I’m perfectly happy with my 300
After owning a zx10r and zx9r. Jumping on a 2023 zx6r is golden!! 🤩
Driving a manual car does not correlate to being able to jump on a fast motorcycle lol
@@vebez5993 if only that were the only variable I stated, brother.
@@vebez5993 I’m not 18
@@DeniedClimax doesn’t matter? lol
I grew up in a riding family. Been riding first since 4. When I was 15 in FL they allowed you to have a 150cc or under.
Got a job at 14, and bought a Suzi GN125E.
Best thing EVER! Rode it up to VA, over to KY, IL. Down through MS, AL and back home.
My father rode his goldwing with me the whole way, the same bike I'd been copilot on since I was 7.
First motorcycle adventure on my own bike.
You don't need a 600 for your first bike.. they and liter bikes are track weapons and really aren't that great on the street.
The new 3-400s are awesome!
Heck.. a DRZ400 may even be too much. 😂
I have zero experience riding and I bought a 650 Honda this morning, after a few kilometres so far so good.
My first bike in 1980 was a Honda C70. It was 70cc and I rode it for five years. My second bike in 2018 was a BMW R Nine T which was 1170cc.
I started on a 2007 CBR600RR at 16 years old and haven’t got in an accident. 3 years later I now own a Z
H2. It just involves loads of self control
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@@monsterboomer8051 lol you want proof?
@@trendfixxx Don't worry about him. He just can't believe that someone out there didn't give into the dark urges like he did.
@@PerfidiousLeaf fair enough, I never said it was a smart choice. But those intrusive thoughts won
I started on a 350 that too with professional lessons
Good job!
Haven't seen anything yet... Random question:
Should i start on a 600?
(I actually did)
First bike means you have one bike. And that's the issue.
Most of the time you are able to use a fraction of that power so you learn very slowly. Because you can't nail it.
You learn much much much faster on a bike you CAN pin. On a smaller bike or a more universal bike or offroad bike or, and that would be ideal, few bikes to choose from for different rides, but you don't.
Because you have one narrowly specialized tool.
@@Staromil it was more of a joke but yeah after all i can tell now that my choice wasn't the best for sure... It happened though and here I am, even though i would go on a different path if i got the chance again.
Thoughts on buying a RS660 in about 18 months. 50 year old first time rider. Currently have a Vulcan S. Having allot of fun on the Vulcan but want to try a different style of riding as well. Have access to an R3 and enjoy it too.
Best in class. Daytona 660 and RS660 are amazing
Would love to test ride and buy an RS660. I'm sure you can handle it safety wise.
Don't sleep on a VFR-800..
mmm, have you sat on one? a bit tight. I bought a 660 tuono and its great. no sore back, no knees on elbows and still ergonomic enough to crouch.
@@Adeus555 I haven’t yet. I’ll definitely check out the Tuono as well.
I started riding in April when i bought a F900r 99hp and 67lb of torque. I'm going to be 30 and imo if you are older and mature you could handle the beginner plus category. So far have rode close to 1k safe miles. You are right a bike like this isnt great of a starter bike because even though its not "fast" because it tops out at roughly 135mph It'll get you to 100 in a damn hurry and the first time i truly cracked open the throttle i realized how hard it was to hold onto lol.
Love the new outro.
Yams but I wanna look cool..
do it
buy a 300cmm and put fairings of a 1000ccm bike on it ;)
or buy some sunglasses. they help too :)
@@ShadowMcSneakydamn u right.
I think there's a difference between NA and EU in this case. Speaking for myself (Dutch); when you're 24 or over your lessons will generally be on a 600cc naked bike (CB650R, Z650, etc). They teach you how to handle this type of bike, since you get an unrestricted license. And since you've been taught on a 650 I think it's completely normal to then start on a similar size bike.
Friend of mine wanted to return to biking after a 25 year break. His last bike all those years ago was a Susuki 1100 EFE (i think). He was smitten with the new Hyabusa with a 4k discount but couldn’t get it because absolutely no one would insure him. I think there’s a valid reason why.
I started on a gixxer 600, had it for 7 months and bought a gixxer 1k. I dropped the 600 twice (both stupid beginner drops, not trying to hide anything). Had no issues with either bike. I never felt scared of the power on the 600 at any point, never felt like it held me back or got away from me normal riding. When I got the 1k I was just way more careful. I wasn't scared of it, but I understood what it could do and slowly used those capabilities more and more over time, riding mostly reasonably. I never dropped, wrecked or had any issues with the 1k. Great bike. I sold that, and bought a 2017 R1 back in November 2023. Absolutely love it. Phenomenal motorcycle, it is stupid fast, the sound is intoxicating, I just love it, have also never had any issues with it. It does not scare me, but I am constantly aware of its capabilities and what it can do, and I am therefore careful. I don't think I'm special or different than anyone else, I just wanted to start on a 600 because I felt that a smaller bike would have gotten boring quickly, and I think I would have been right. I got used to the power of the 600 very quickly. I'd say the only advantage maybe or leg up I had was that I can drive a stick car, and I learned on my dad's mustang that makes 800 wheel horsepower, and he's had the car for years, so by the time I got a bike I was pretty used to big power. Once again, I'm not special or different than anyone else. If I'm ever asked, I still say start on a ninja 400 or something like it. I just think mentally I had been in the car scene and driven a wildly powerful car, and I kind of understood pretty well what I was getting myself into. Ride safe everyone, much love.
I started on a 675 and still have it.. I think the answer is if you think and drive like Yammie used to, then dont start on a 600.. If you're responsible and driven to practice and get better, you can pretty much start on anything..
From the UK, hello! After passing my A licence, I bought a Honda CBR 600RR, partly due to being 5' 8". Difference between me and Chad is I am 53 and know when to give it some throttle, but mostly, when not to. I love it as low in the rev range it's happy but when I need to join a motorway etc, I have all the power I will ever need. It's the rider who twists the throttle, not the bike that makes you.
My first bike was a brand new GSX-R600 (2006 K6). I survived and "I'm fine". Would I recommend someone else do it? No. It was a mistake. I commuted to work in traffic on a race bike; definition of "made it harder on myself". It was my daily. I was really bad and, looking back, there were better options that would have been so much more... helpful to learning. I still love that bike but I am also convinced that I would have been a better rider and had more fun on a "starter" bike. I bought the "cool" bike that I could afford and ended up looking dumb duck-walking and dropping it trying to park on uneven parking lots.
Recently got the FZ6 as a first bike. Love every bit of it. Nimble, quick, non stingy and pretty tame under 7k. Just behave and know your limit.
There's 600cc and 600cc. Single cylinder thumper 600cc with 40ish hp is an excellent beginner bike. My first bike was Honda NTV650 with around 55hp and it was excellent, I was never overwhelmed with power and I started riding at 40.
Fortunately, at least in some circles, the 600cc or bust isn't a thing.
My buddies, two of whom are long time motorcyclists, asked what I'm looking to start on. I'm looking at Svartpilen 401. Absolutely zero shame from em. They were more stoked that I was getting up on two wheels than anything.
I turned 18 in the late seventies and many young guys purchased Kawasaki 750s.. even Kawasaki 750 2-stroke widowmakers along with kz900s... And many of those people that seriously hurt or died.. I brought my first starter bike it was a Honda hawk 400 1978... And I'll tell you what a great bike to start off on not only that I was able to take it on the highway and I took it on long distance trips.. no not ideal for long distance trips but I went everywhere with that bike and felt very comfortable I could maneuver it... I would also take out my dad's 74 Suzuki 500 two-stroke.... Always purchase a bike that you can actually handle because you may have to handle it in an emergency within an emergency maneuver.
My first bike was a 750 - but one with relatively little power and low centre of gravity so not nearly as powerful as it may seem.
Also, on an unrelated note: nothing helped me more with getting into the motorcycles than riding a triathlon bicycle.
You may think lol wut dude, how?
The answer is simple:
1. Triathlon bicycle ( let's call it TT for short, ok? ) has very narrow tyres so when you get on a motorcycle you are positively surprised just how easy to handle a motorcycle is.
2. TTs fall without warning due to their geometry, so you get into the idea of being aware and cautious all the time.
3. If you think car drivers often fail to spot motorcycles... well.
4. You need to be constantly aware of gravel, look out for oil slicks et c - in other words, you build the same sort of awareness.
Funny, but true.
29 year old male here. Been driving cars(Some fast, some not) since I was 17, started riding at the end of last summer by doing the mandatory motorcycle course in my province(Quebec, Canada). Went to sit on a bunch of bike and had the chance to ride in the dealer lot a Kawa Z900, Yamaha Mt07 and Triumph Street Triple RX. I ended up going with a newer model Street Triple R 765. I got it used and have already doubled the mileage on it, in the month that I've owned it, from 2400 to 5100. Its not something that I can say it would have been a good idea if I started riding 10 years earlier, the testosterone of a teen would've been a terrible thing to mix with it. As a tad older guy now, and for someone my age, early 30s, who has the proper mindset and the cash to buy the proper gear, a more recent model with driver aids(They wont save ya ass, but they will hold your hand as you progress), it's something that could be considered but again, I am on a naked triple and not necessarily on a super sports 4 banger.
I'm 32yo.
Started riding at the age of 12 on a 45cc enduro.
It blows my mind to even think that some people are asking that question.
Is this because of social media? Like young dudes getting hooked on some IG or TikTok biker accounts?
Other than that, I know that in the USA its possible lol to get on the road with a 600cc without even the slightest bit of training. Looking at your video man, you have a real purpose on this platform educating your people.
When you're explaining extremely basic skills in some videos, I realize how poorly experienced some rider must be out there using high CC bikes... No wonder the stats are that bad in the US.
There's also insurance, it isn't a legal requirement over there in some places and most only need liability cover, so a young kid starting out isn't going to experience 75% of the companies laughing at him on the phone when he asks how much to insure his R1 and the other 25% quoting him 50%+ of the bikes value.
Someone I know mentioned starting on a gsxr1000 who has very limited experience🥲 it’s hard to explain to people that you can buy a smaller bike and sell it the next year! I started on a 1973 Kawasaki g5 (100cc) and now have a dr200. It’s a phenomenal machine to learn on. It’s not scary at all and you can focus on learning than you are on surviving! With that said I’m ready to upgrade and I knew that was going to happen fast!
I started on a desert sled. Now I have a triumph 1200 XE. Exactly what I need
I started on a New 1970 Yamaha 125cc 2 stroke "Enduro" at 16 yrs old. Next was a 1966 Yamaha 350 cc twin 2 stroke. From then moved up to a larger bike each time. After 55yrs I still ride . Victory Cross Country and a Triumph Tiger 800. Start by riding dirt bikes. I did,and It helped me be a better Street rider.
I was born in the country that every person has at least a motorcycle (include the new born baby cuz they will ride one anyway). And truthfully, riding without any experience is something we will go through, and not many of us will actually be taught carefully how ride properly, tips always gonna be: don't fall, don't stall, and don't hit the wall( or people). Well, we do have driving course but once we get to the riding school, most of us only come to do the theory test and riding test for the license at the age of 18. However our first bike is usualy a 50-150cc bike like a monkey, cub 50, mt15, cb150, ex150,..., or e-bike, which we will torture it, crash it, broke it or even never actually maintain it. But that's when we learn how to handle a motorcycle, how we maintain our next bikes, what is the limit of the bike. Eventually we know what happend with a bike by only hearing the engine. In conclude, the first bike should always be something that you can learn from it.
Start on a 650. The 650. Yep.
Suzuki sv650. But, with warning. You wont want anything else.
No matter how small the bike, (NOBODY IN A CAR CARES HOW SMALL IT IS). Wanna start small, just do it. Learn and get a bigger bike later. I recommend taking an msf course. Its a great start. Just be careful and have fun. GOD bless us all
As you explained in the video, we have a decent licence system in Europe. I have had my lessons on a Z650 and I believe that is a great beginner bike. You can only drive that a 24y or older. That's I really good beginner bike. Just like the MT07.
When asked “should I start on a 600” I often reply with no, get a turbo busa. 😂 because turbo busa’s are life.
Lol, bro I took classes and was well prepared. I bought an RS 660 extrema, and I am moving along just fine. Wrist control, know your limits, use SPAT, use A3 and cooperate with traffic. You will be fine. CHECK YOUR EGO. Ride safe 🎉
My first bike was an underbone crypton and moved to Suzuki fx which had a clutch.
Then I bought an XR 250 (I miss you) and then XT660 and CB600.
Now I’m on a scooter 😂
Looking forward to get xsr700.
Anyway, don’t rush to buy a 600+.
The market is full of reliable used motorcycles so that you can not only gain experience but also try out different types etc. This is what distinguishes a rider from a commuter.
I actually just got my first street bike. I got a 2018 CBR 1000RR. The only reason I did was because I’ve been racing dirtbikes since I was 4. I’m 28 and run the 250 and 450 expert class and can more than handle the bike.
I started on a 600 in 2002. I did BMX and rode dirt bikes as a kid. I've tried 1000s, I've tried cruisers, but after all these years I'm still on a honda 600 as a daily bike. Now I ride with full gear, I've always been pretty cautious and know to stay within my limits, which is a trait that's kept me from doing typical squid shit all of these years.
I tell everyone to get a 650. Absolutely perfect starter bike. Not mad fast, comfortable, enough power to not get bored.
Upgrade to a 600 later on if you want, or a 750. 1000s are a lot of fun, but you never really get to open it up much, so it nearly goes to waste it feels like.
So I started 2 months ago on a CBR 600 F4i. I am still here, the bike is very tame under 8K RPM. But I am from Europe so we have to spend appx 30 hours to get our license and pass a theoretical and practical exam in order to ride. However, I am 28 YO and quite calculated. Even if I started on a 1000cc I guess I would still be around. Keep your attitude in check and you ll be fine.
I crashed a 650cc bike on a test ride from a private seller. I was properly humbled and went back and learned on a smaller 250 after that and now am about to get an MT03. I am happy I have talked myself down and my wallet is hit a little easier as well. So yes, it's easy to get into the stuck in the "Bro" trap.
In Europe (more specifically, in Italy), as you mentioned we have different licenses - however, if you're like me and got into motorcycle later in life (I'm 31) you can get the A license straight ahead without the need to take the ones before, which is what I'm currently doing as taking all of them would cost way too much, and you get to train and do your exam on a 650cc motorcycle. You can't choose, you HAVE to do the exam on that. However, I still got myself a nice little USED KLX250 as my personal motorcycle, I will be doing the exam in a month on the school 650 bike, but then after that I won't be riding anything nearly as powerful. Having the chance to compare the 2, while the 650 is more powerful and fun, unless you're on the highway you won't ever use that much power, whereas the KLX feels way safer and gets me up the mountains which is where I want to go. And always wearing full-gear!
I started on a 2001 cbr600 f4i 12 years ago when I was 19. Honestly, looking back, I wish I started on a sv650 or a ninja 650. More than learning how to ride I was trying not to die. Now I ride a tuono v4 1100 factory on the street an a cbr600rr on the track n I tell all the new the guys wanting to start riding to not repeat the same mistakes I made n learn the proper way on a ninja 400 or something like that.😊
I just got my first bike and it’s a 865cc triumph bonneville
I’m gonna be honest
This horse is beat to death
Bottom line is if you know your own self well enough you know the answer to the question
“Should I start on a 600”
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If you can honestly respect the machine
*Yes*
If you can’t respect the machine
*No*
I got a 750 harley street as my first bike. When i asked around about starter bikes i pretty much given 2 options. Either get sumthin small that you'll outgrow in a year or 2, or get sumthin in 500 - 750 range and take ur time to learn the bike and have it for years to come.
Price is a big factor the price of a mt07 new can get you in the 600 to 1000 used market with reasonably good miles, thats 1 factor i noticed not many people speak on. The temptation.