Did Jeremy Zag SAVE Miraculous?⎮Miraculous: Ladybug & Cat Noir The Movie Review
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- čas přidán 31. 07. 2023
- Well at long last, the movie has come and gone. And, i enjoyed it. I won't go into it too much here, but it was a good bit of fun. Not perfect, but a good showing for Ladybug and Cat Noir nonetheless. My thoughts and more within. Enjoy.
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I genuinely love the movie because they fixed marinette's character in my opinion. She seems relatable, reliable and REAL. No stalking, no mary sue writing, no popular and rich girl. Just a main character with social anxiety and ACTUAL problems finding and building her confidence. For me, Jeremy understood the assigment.
...not because i wish Marinette was more like Peter Parker
I guess we can say that "She is a normal girl with a normal life but there's something about ... " (In the movie)
Lol
I LOVE the fact that we're reminded that Gabriel is a designer and yhat Marinette had dreams of becoming one herself.
And I kinda feel like unrealistic expectations were set when it was described as a cross between Spiderman and Frozen, but I digress.
Yeah Marinnette "beta"(Thats how i Going to Call Movie Characters from now on),is so Much better and Fleshed out,She is a Amazing Protag,Specially Compared to her Alpha Self,hell Everyone appeared to Got a Update to their "Beta" Self
thats why they should let jeremy write the rest of the seasons of the miraculous ladybug series.
Its sad when a movie has better plot and characterization than a show with five seasons and two specials
Sad that true
@@anidiot1122Well… I guess we can see who is the better writer by now
in my opinion, the show was a bit better. dont get me wrong, it was really well shown for an hour and forty minutes, but it was really rushed. it was ONLY an hour and forty minutes and you can only fit so much character development in one movie. the movie plot was also a bit ehh, and there were only like 4 characters that got to show that they had actual personality, marinette, adrien, gabriel, and chloe. the rest of the characters that originally had all this lore and backstory were just thrown in the dust. also, some details in the show weren't included in the movie like at all. i think the show is better because it has so much potential and plot and you can branch off your own theories and stories and all the detail. it displays so much emotion that the movie didn't, and it makes you scream and rage while it makes you cry and want to watch more. while the movie was good, the show will ALWAYS be superior and the original in my eyes. you'll prolly reply with "i aint reading allat" but i just thought it would be fun to share.
@@evangelinexsq Look, you can only do as much plot in a 105 min. Astruc had 5 seasons and still wrote it to shite while the movie did better charaterizations on their main ones, ya know, the central ones.
So the movie might be a bit rushed, but overall it was narrative speaking better
@@evangelinexsqchloe being overly used as a conflict catalyst got old fast, kagami and felix are not utilized well, all of marienette friends and her best friend are reduced to 1 brain cell and believe lyla lies. Not really better if you ask me.
The movie cant add the entire cast with screen time focus because of constraints on time. The character of focus were fine the bloated inserting of disney singing montages are the problem
This movie really felt a fuck you to Thomas Austruc From Jeremy Zag, everything the Thomas did was countered here, chloe being a flawed person but not a outright monster, Gabe being incredibly sympathetic and having a final confrontation that had his son invovled, Everything here felt so much much better then the last 2 seasons of the show
Yes. Chloé still have flaws. But she's just a typical mean girl in the movie. And I accept her more here than the show. Atleast here she actually seems to respect Marinette a little for standing up for herself at the end.
I also liked that at the end their "bullying" was showed more as their wierd but somehow friendly competition. They don't hate each other at the end.
@@joeljohansson3615Also she is actually Funny,I Caugh my Self Laughing at Her Shit Multiple times through the movie lol,and it Looks Like that she Begin to Respect Marinnete towards the end. Despite her "Bullying" continuing into next year as she claims.
Clearly, Jeremy saw the writing on the wall that the show was problematic and he took it upon himself to both address and fix these said problems. Something I feel like he will continue to do with a sequel or two given that cliffhanger at the end.
I genuinely hope Jeremy Zag fired Astruc!
This movie is a big fat 'Take that", a middle finger from Zag to Astruc. The portrayal of the characters here feels natural and realistic, not generic and overly exaggerated. Granted, it has its flaws, like Plagg and the rushing narrative, but at least the main characters are fleshed out pretty well.
Edit: Also, can we all just agree on how much more satisfying and gratifying the movie’s ending is compared to the one in the original series? Like my god, Adrien know his dad is Hawk Moth, the reveal, and also, no more “only ladybug gets to shine” moment.
Astruc deserves all the middle fingers he can get.
@@DragonKingX78nope. Juste hater here
I was never expecting a perfect movie myself, I just wanted a compelling story. Idk if anyone agrees with me
I like how Gabriel has way more emotion and heart in the movie and is not just like "so Adrian is cat noir? NOW HE CAN HELP ME GET LADYBUG'S MIRACULOUS!!!!!!"
@@DragonKingX78 you are wright I agree , I will give some
This is for you Thomas asTURD
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Naturally, Astruc has been trying to bash the movie without outright saying he hated it, likely to avoid tension with Jeremy Zag. He’s been saying something along the lines of ‘The movie may give you what you want, but the show gives you what you need’.
Thomas, the movie has shown that Ladybug and Cat Noir can do fine and even better without you.
Was that fr what he said? Bc this is bizarre wth- 💀
Wouldn't be surprised, Thomas just cannot comprehend his own creation. Plus he has issues, way too many issues... 🤔
@@thatonedrainedplatter5421 Right?! Thomas Asstruck is a petty egotistical man child.
No matter how subtly he phrases it, Thomas is still bashing the movie. Not to mention, proving all too well that he can't compete with Jeremy.
I bet he hates it so much cause everyone saying it's 100% better than the show
I honestly prefer how Gabriel was handled here, while a bit fast, I liked how they showed his descent by going from a strict overconfident guy to a desperate mess (plus Adrian talking back to his father as a consequence of his obsession, chef kiss, I’ll take that anytime over mister "yes father" from the series) plus how his power trip instantly ends when he realizes that he is beating up his son and has been sending him killers for months, instead of just going "oh I can use that, no pain no gain boy".
Agreed.
Arguably I hope there's a sequel
Adrian actually did stuff it was mind blowing.
@@thomasdaywalt7735oh I think there is going to be a sequel
gabrielle was the best charecter hands down. he has the best song and story arch for me and we learn a lot more about him and em 🥹
sad we didn’t see his lair tho. i was surprised he wasn’t as over protective, just neglectful. i really liked that tho! it added a lot
I'm surprised that you didn't mention that this movie makes Marinette NOT a stalker, Zag just fixed the main character's biggest flaw. Also I'm amazed how they introduce Adrien. His character being a little selfish (for example calling ladybug a sidekick and being delusional for thinking she likes him) makes so much sense for the fact that Adrien is a very rich and famous model with lots of fangirls. They both looked and acted their age, having flaws that most teens have, but also being good hearted. One thing I didn't like is that they didn't show Adrien transforming
truuuue I was waiting for that!
yeah that was kinda underwhelming. Mari and Tikki got an entire song together before transforming while Adrien got nothing, except for him seeing a cat in his room, we didn't even see his first actual interaction with Plagg.
9:29 he did?
@@havidikevidi yes Adrien had literally no development as Cat Noir he just put the miraculous on and didn't even question a thing, plus he didn't save master Fu to prove he is worthy for the power of black cat he was just there
@@aureliabiscal7399i remember seeing marinette help fu and be chosen as ladybug and waiting for the same to happen to adrien so i was kind of confused when it never happened tbh
It was good to have Chat Noir be treated as more of an equal partner then a sidekick who doesn't even get to have a role in the final battle
Yeah I hope we have more time to see development in the sequel
@@chloeeng6811 I’m betting Natalie would start off by become Mayura, Alya gets to be Rena Rouge (or Renard Rouge just to make it sound senseful and not discriminating in terns of gender), Nino becomes Carapace (or as I’d prefer to call him Torque Jade like in some early concept art), and Chloe gets immediately redeemed before becoming Queen Bee.
This movie is better than the whole series 😅
Sad thats true
By far better.
The writing wasn’t even amazing, But it still managed to be better than 5 seasons of the original mlb series 💀
Frr
😊
I unfortunately agree
Despite the films writing and pacing issues, I and the fandom seem to really have loved it. I believe this is due to the fact that everything the fandom has asked and wished about the show was put into this movie like:
-Marinette isn’t a crazy stalker and is more realistically flawed
-Adrien shows actual emotion due to his trauma and stands up to his father
-Chloe is written better and isn’t a 1 dimensional, irredeemable monster (I’m looking right at you Thomas)
-Gabriel is a much better written father and villain. He isn’t the evil and horrible father in the show that yeets Adrien as soon as he finds out his identity. Instead he shows regret and remorse for his actions.
-The concept that Marinette is a hero with AND without her mask
-THE LADYNOIR CHEMISTRY
-Ladybug and chat noir being EQUALS
There’s so much more, but the fact remains that Jeremy captured the ‘Miraculous’ the fandom loves. The film isn’t perfect but it’s still great!
Also showing LB actually like CN so he does not come of as a herrasser
This, this, and THIS 👏🏾
Yes I agree with all of it
Zag is a much better writer
Seriously, Jeremy Zag should have been the director of the show rather than Thomas Astruc. He just has a much better way to see the story and the characters. Astruc, it's like he wants to keep them as 1 dimensional and archetypal as possible.
I absolutely love Adrien and Mari in the movie!
Marinette has terrible social anxiety, but builds confidence as Ladybug.
Adrien is suffering with grief and trust issues around others but opens up and has fun as Chat,
Alya is a normal friend, not encouraging Mari to become a stalker, but adapting more drunk.
Nino was less of..whatever he was.
And Gabe is having a gradual redemption!
Chloe isn’t a complete monster.
The songs were good
Ikr,If this movie was an 1 season show, with us having enough time to see more caracter growth from Nino, alya, chleo, Sabrina, adrien, Marinette, Gabriel and Natalie, also some more dynamics and caracters development
It would have been perfect, maybe and not a so rush final, like the whole movie just slower in 1 season it could have been the best thing ever
The movie is in the right direction
It's just the story isn't exactly made for an 1 hour and 40 minutes movie
I wish we could have seen Marinette getting confident(not alr being after the montages)
Gabriel losing it
Adrien maybe not coming home more nights, and talking back to his back, maybe some interesting dynamics
More of Natalie and what she thinks
More Nino and adrien, Marinette and alya dynamics
And Chleo getting to respect Marinette
Maybe seeing master fu or nooro giving us more info
It would have been perfect
(The movie is good tbh)
This is what the show shoudl have been😭😭😭
It would have been amazing
But true they handled so much better the caracters
And the songs were amazing(like most songs) just me wishing for more ladybug and cat noir duel song? Or maybe an adrien and Marinette or Nina and adrien singing in one part while in the other alya and Marinette while singing about same thing
@@nicolas._.2294the only major flaw is that it is a movie that limits things so most of thenother characters are not even in it and are just on screen cameos and the primary focuse is on Adrian, Marinette and Gabriel.
I like that, but I feel like with this a single 26 episode condensed season with this production and focuse would have worked much better
@@nicolas._.2294 You meant Chloe
Was this movie rushed? Yes. Could/Should it have fleshed out the dynamics between the characters more? Yeah propably. Should they have given young Gabe a different style hair? ABSO-FUKIN-LOUTLEY. Would I have liked to have 2 parts? Sure. Do I care? Not at all. The movie did what the show couldn’t do in 5 seasons in less than 2 hours. And I wouldn't have wanted them to make a 2 part story and risk letting it go unfinished.
I also like the characters here more. They are more dialed down as tropes but more dialed up as characters. Also I love how we saw Ladybug and Chat Noir just sitting on a roof and eating icecream that turned into a play/flirt fight. I can’t remember the last time in the show where we saw LB and CN just hanging out as friends.
I mean Jeremy did announce a sequel 2 years ago so it is in the works.
@@littlesparrow303 I am not trusting any promises about how a show/movie will come out especially after we had finished projects, like Batgirl, get canceled. I just don’t want to take the risk.
I will still watch the second movie without hesitation tho, if it ever comes out.
Even if you don't watch the show it feels like a "the show is better" type of movie. Base of the scenes they kept and the episodes they HINTED they cut. base on certain scenes and the characters development in the movie.
And I hate that, as a fan, I know this ISN'T true.🥺
Ikr,If this movie was an 1 season show, with us having enough time to see more caracter growth from Nino, alya, chleo, Sabrina, adrien, Marinette, Gabriel and Natalie, also some more dynamics and caracters development
It would have been perfect, maybe and not a so rush final, like the whole movie just slower in 1 season it could have been the best thing ever
The movie is in the right direction
It's just the story isn't exactly made for an 1 hour and 40 minutes movie
I wish we could have seen Marinette getting confident(not alr being after the montages)
Gabriel losing it
Adrien maybe not coming home more nights, and talking back to his dad, maybe some interesting dynamics
More of Natalie and what she thinks
More Nino and adrien, Marinette and alya dynamics
And Chleo getting to respect Marinette
Maybe seeing master fu or nooro giving us more info
It would have been perfect
(The movie is good tbh)
This is what the show shoudl have been😭😭😭
It would have been amazing
I love the part of them being just friends too❤💚
Seems like I'm the only one who likes young Gabe's hair, huh
One thing I love about Marinette’s new character model is how she actually is built like a 14 year old in the suit. I didn’t really notice it in the show until after I saw the trailer, but her proportions are a bit too Barbie like to actually look like a teenager. It just looks better.
fun fact: she have 16y on movie
@@rafaelcostaody7275 oh, cool.
Yes and she feels a bit sexualized in the show. When I said that to some people they were all on my head and disagreed with me. What can I say? Average Instagram comment section...
The show giving Marinette’s suit a “suggestive” body shape when she’s literally underage is a huge red flag. Srsly, what the hell were they thinking? 💀
@@shanthegamer21 I told some people about it and they were all jumping over my head saying that it's normal for girls that age to have that body type. Some of them even said that I sexualize her because I see this as something that is not normal and I was like "What? 😀"
Besides the glorious animation, I loved Ladybug and Cat Noir’s dynamic in this film the most(at least before they fell in love). Them arguing like little kids and having a bit of a friendly rivalry felt a lot more natural and refreshing, wish they explored that dynamic more, cause I instantly preferred it over the show’s dynamic. Also, the sparring scene on the rooftop was awesome as well, they never did train with each other in the show. Also, Tikki shouting, “You di…!” before getting yeeted out the window by Marinette got a laugh out of me as well.
And for my dislikes, besides the rushed aspects, I don’t like Plagg at all in this film, and I felt that they went a bit too far with Marinette’s clumsiness. It felt like she fell every 10-15 minutes, which got old really fast. The songs, while good, were a bit jarring since they messed with the flow of the movie
Unlike in the show where Cat Noir keeps flirting with Ladybug and Ladybug being mostly irritated by him and even looking like superior to him when she was Lady Noir. In the movie, it's more on the playful teasing and banter and I love that 😊😊 Plus, less unnecessary drama and the heartbreak scene just had good reasons
What made the songs jarring for me was that they were sung by the french VA’s
My only complaint are the songs 😂 They were so random in the movie, usually not showing much, had to skip some
@@vstarlight__ same, i skipped all the songs except for gabe’s song
@@vstarlight__Same, skipped all of them
the fact that "stronger together" is the foundation to ladybug and cat noir's victory and the theme keeps popping up from time to time gives a huge slap in the face to Astruc's version, where cat noir is constantly pushed aside, and when the issue is addressed, the story kind of shrugs it off and move on
What I like about the movie:
1) Marinette and Adrien characters. They showed them as normal teenagers normal kids. Adrien was suffering from the loss of his mother and Marinette was the awkward girl.
2) I loved the change in Tikki's character. In the show, she was more mature and about the "rules" while in the movie she was excited, adventurous, and confident which fit her as the Kwami of creation because she always seeks new adventures.
3) Loved that the Kwami were the ones to pick their owner. They had a saying and didn't appear like slaves.
4) Loved that Chat Noir and Ladybug had equal time and equal development, they showed them as partners who are only stronger together, not one over shadowing the other. Like they established the importance of them being partners not casting one aside as a sidekick. And that they had a way to call each other out the process of transformation. The show cut all ties between them once they de-transform.
5) Loved that Gabriel seemed more like a devastated man, but also hold accountable for his crimes not called a hero after being a terrorist.
6) They actually showed the dark side of the city, it is not a perfect city with everyone being lovey dovey but there are criminals and Hawkmoth used them!
7) Adrien stepping up against his dad and calling him out!!! Which we never had in the show. It showed how their relationship was unstable after Emily's death.
8) They showed Paris as a city. They showed the people, their daily life! Mari and Fu's scene (about to be hit by a car) was perfect because unlike the show not everyone was on phones but they were concerned and the driver hit the break at the right time!
It was a good movie maybe as you said they should take things a bit slower and make parts 1 and 2 but overall it was 10000 times better than the show's writing (except Plagg). It's enjoyable, not perfect but good.
I agree with all of this!!! Jeremy did announce a sequel a while ago so can’t wait for it. Especially the Ladrien & Marichat scenes for the sequel
I like how the general consensus is that Plagg was awful in the movie but everything else was great. XD
@@lasercraft32I do not think he was awful, just under utilized.
@@andrewcarlton6196 No he was awful. His defining character trait in the movie is that he's a talking fart joke.
@@littlesparrow303 Really? That amazing! I hope we get more characters from the show to appear in the sequel
I like how adrien actually finds out about gable being the villain
He just seem like a dad a person who lost his way look for that power to bring back his wife I like it that way he seem like a lost person
@@chloeeng6811agreed 😊
@@stefaniarussowhat are your predictions for the sequel
I'm just glad that this time Chat noir technically beat Hawk moth as he should. He also did resist him way more than Ladybug. Taking away earrings was like taking candy away from little girl while Chat noir really said ,,Over my dead body" and didn't back down XD Also it did fit better here for Gabriel to stop his madness after finding out his son was Chat noir and that he almost killed him. Gabriel felt more sad and confused in his sadness, not knowing how to handle it. It was fine to give him redemption here. Gabriel from the show doesn't deserve any mercy on him and Adrien should find out one day what a horrible monster his father was.
Yeah I’m glad Adrien got some spotlight in this moo
I feel the rushed segments could've been helped if there were less songs that are seemingly just exposition to what's happening...some are pretty good like the Marinette intro song and the Tikki intro but I'm not sure if I need a musical number to see Marinette decide to embrace being Ladybug as frankly her decision to not fear anymore seems sudden IMO.
Yea, I agree, the number of song could have been cut. I really felt like there was way too much Marinette singing. Also during Tikki's song with Marionette's "I'm not Ladybug" all I could think about was that it would be great to have reprise of it. Like instead of another full song just do shorter reprise with changing lyrics from beginning to something like "I'm Ladybug, I can do this, when things get tough I won't make excuses". I really think like it was a missed opportunity
I liked the songs, but I would have traded the "not afraid anymore" Marinette song for a little more time for the finale...
Personally i Didnt like the first song and would have scrapped that one instead, while loved "courage in me". But i will agree that it feels too sudden. Tikki also said like "to protect the ones you love" but marinette Didnt see alya get stuck on the ride, nor her father get hurt... So like... Those she loves who exactly? Since her father was literally already there, she could have seen him maybe getting hurt or in danger and then the song would have felt way more earned.
@@shroomieroomiethere is an insane amount of focus on marinette in this movie. Like yeah, Adrien gets some screen time and one song, plus an amazing duet with lb but like--- still feels like he should have been flashed out more, especially when it comes to his relationship with his dad, with Chloe, and also like his social status. Its very vague in the movie and it needed more screentime. Also his relationship with marinette and how he feels about her. I would have loved a scene where he just thinks back to how amazing she is as marinette and maybe plagg commenting on it or something.
That was honestly my favorite part of the movie. It was so EPIC!!!
7:56 Let's all agree that the movie was better and handled everything in Miraculous 1000 times better than Thomas Austruc could ever do. All the characters are relatable and REAL none of that creepy, cringe-inducing stuff that we must endure for the last eight years. Adrian finally got to be involved, which, praise the Lord. Gabriel, his villain redemption arc was good, and Chloe, yes, she still has her flaws, but she was at least written to be a typical mean girl in the movie. I could handle that. Not anything like the show portrayed her now. And one of the things I find most amusing about this movie is that Jeremy Zag really said FUCK YOU to Thomas Austruc with it despite the fact his team worked on this show for eight years to complete an arc, And Jeremy's movie manages to accomplish the same in under an hour. 😂
See what I’m talking about? This is EXACTLY why Jeremy Zag should be in charge of writing and directing Miraculous because in my humble opinion that movie felt like Jeremy Zag just took Miraculous and pushed it to it’s maximum potential which was why it was so good in the eyes of many people including myself.
i dont think he really completed the same nor that the movie was better. the show may have had those cringy key moments but that was what made it have that moment where you needed to pause the show to laugh and scream, that emotion you felt and the details it could show. i dont think any movie could amount to those eight years simply because the characters in the movie were stripped of their flaws and adrien was just portrayed as a bratty rich self-centered dude. i probably have replied to every single comment here saying why the show is better, so you can see more of what i mean on there🤣
Agreed. But ADRIEN could have been flashed out more, had we either had more runtime or scrapped two songs entirely to make space for that. Also they should have included at least one scene where Chloe interacts directly with Adrien because in the movie she is always making threats to marinette, but they fall flat since she just seems to be delusional, since they never even interact or are shown to be childhood friends...
I'm so glad he won't be writing the next _and probably last_ 2 seasons.
Maybe the show will finally change for the better
Exactly
I honestly wish that the VA for marinette sang because she has a wonderful voice. I’ve seen her sing before so I don’t understand why they chose not to
Someone on another video said that Jeremy promised Lou that she could sing in this movie. But I don't really know. I was taken aback a little too, but past it as the movie progressed. Lou's voice is amazing though!! ❤
@@c.lineofficialtalk about stupid director choices
I agree!! Lou has a lovely voice, but the difference between the speaking and singing is so jarring. As a fan of Cristina Vee since her MilkyCabbage days, I paused the movie as soon as Marinette started singing because it was obviously not her singing. I thought that it was because Lou might have a more radio friendly voice so that it could be played for casual listeners. I wonder how Marinette would sound like if jer original VA sang her songs. Especially her big solo :o
Yeah! Or even if she didn't want to or couldn't, they could've found a singer who CAN imitate the voice. They did it with Adrien, I wouldn't have known the singing voice was a different guy if not for the fact I've heard the speaking VA sing and it's definitely not that good 🤣 So it kinda sucks that Marinette got a singing voice that doesn't sound at all like her own, I personally found it extremely jarring every time
@@c.lineofficial Lou should have done an end credit number or some alternate versions in bonus features. OR sing the songs in the background in parts where they aren't singing in-universe, like that villain montage with the main theme. Their voice is spectacular... but it doesn't sound like Marinette. It sounds completely different and it was very distracting all things considered. Instead of enjoying the music I was like "wait why is her voice different??? Cristina Vee can sing, why'd they do this?"
Did Jeremy Zag save Miraculous?
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Straight to the point :)))
Astruc is a terrible person. Do NOT feel empathy for him.
Yeah he did I hope it stayed this way and improve more in the sequel
@@chloeeng6811thanks goodness that he gonna have the lead of season 6 and 7
It's 100x better than the actual ending of the show
I agree.
Yep way better.
Yeah please I hope they have a sequel
The only thing I disliked about the show ending was everyone getting a miraculous. The fight was epic and so was everything else
@@chloeeng6811it will
🎶 Joy to the world! 🎶
Praise Jeremy Zag,
for making this movie!
Hawkmoth is now likeable,
and Cat Noir is capable
of respecting his Lady,
who stands up to Chloe.
This film is miraculous!
And Astruc-you can leave! 🤣
Okay, but seriously, I *loved* this movie! Sure it had some problems of its own, but I adore what they did with Adrien and his dad. It takes me back to the good old days of Seasons 1 and 2 when Gabriel was a sympathetic villain, only so much better. And the attention to detail! Cat Noir's bell rattling with every flinch of a movement was something I didn't realise I needed, but it was so perfectly done. 🥰
😂🤣
That was a random ditty you did there but good job 👏👏 Hallelujah!
@@princesserika9899 Thanks. 😊 I thought of the first three lines straight after the movie, and I ended up just rolling with it. 😝
i don't rly follow up on MLB news, what happened to astruc?
@@E1Razur Three words: Astruc writing sucks. Awful creator with awful takes on the show on Twitter 😀
Thomas Astruc - To tell this story, we need five seasons of 26 episodes each and a lot of superfluous characters
Jeremy Zag - hold my beer - I'll be done in an hour and a half.
Yeah it so good there are some things that need to be fix other then that it really good
yeah that's why the movie had a rush plot, which really wasn't needed
The show offer more time for character development. If they did a single season, this quality and the movie was put over 12 episodes and the 12 more to finish it up with the wife it would be much better i thing.
Being a movies does hurts it, but the direction was much better
the way i actually involuntarily let out a very high pitched scream when i first saw gabby's long hair. so unnecessary, so out of pocket, yet somehow it made his character even better
IKR LOL
It's hilarious
The long hair KILLED me, I was just watching like 🫨 lmao
*9 Changes I feel we can all agree on that would definitely improve the movie*
*1.)* Increase the movie's run time & remove irrelevant scenes to improve the pacing, add missing details and fully flesh out each character.
*2.)* Give Adrien a proper "becoming a hero" scene and give the audience a reason why he was chosen to be a hero.
*3.)* Include at least 2 more Marinette and Adrien interactions to show their dynamic and why Marinette likes him so much.
*4.)* In the final battle, Ladybug should've fought a bit with Hawk Moth and then fail. Not just hawkmoth instantly taking out her earrings.
*5.)* Give Plagg his original personality back (make him lazy, sarcastic, empathetic, etc) and have him talk to Adrien sensibly but still retain his personality instead of whatever that was.
*6.)* In the fair scene, have Tom be put in a dangerous situation. Example: put him on a structure about to collapse. Marinette sees him in danger and this can be the turning point for her transformation into a hero. She could then sing "Courage in me" if Jeremy really wanted to include the song and then tiki encourages Marinette to stand up and fight. Marinette transforms, saves her dad, sees the baby surrounded by balloon dogs and everything continues like before.
*7.)* Have the kwamis / master fu explain more about the miraculous & it's magic. (Half of the audience didn't understand why nobody could recognize ladybug and Cat noir's identities.)
*8.)* Compare Adrien and Gabriel's interactions to Marinette and Tom's interactions. This way you can feel the emotional weight in the ending and it also opens an opportunity for later in the movie, Marinette learns to accept her dad and not care about what others think.
*9.)* Let the original voice actor's sing.
In my opinion, I actually liked that this was only 1 singular movie because it had a solid plot and a really good conclusion. Personally, I would give this movie a 9/10 because of the animation quality and the fact that Jeremy was able to cram 100+ episodes into a short movie and still make it work.
I think the fact that LB was beat by Hawk Mot so easily made him seem more of a threat and the only thing that stopped him was his love for his son, plus Marinette save him partly as herself.
It makes Hawk Moth a bigher threat while also allowing him to redeem himself
I agree with you
Honestly this movie was better, it wasn't even JUST the origin but the ENTIRE Agreste Arc.
Rewritten by Zag.
Though hated what they did to Plagg.
I did like how it ended, also Gabriel's flashbacks of him and his family was soo sweet!
Now THOSE were the good times with Gabriel and his son, where were THOSE moments in the show.|
Honestly we should have had some of THAT in the show.
5 seasons isn’t enough time to squeeze in a few flashbacks. :P
Ikr , plagg was iconic in the show , one of the best parts of it , and they made him a fart joke
I appreciate Jeremy Zag so much for making this movie. You have a good point; when I compare the characters to the show, they actually felt like real people. Ladynoir in this movie was chef's kiss for me. It's just disappointing that Adrinette hadn't gotten more attention because it didn't make the reveal as powerful. I also really liked Gabriel; his defeat actually made me feel something. Yeah, I would have prefered if the movie wasn't a musical, but I really liked 'Stronger Together' and 'Courage in Me'.
I like how they give Gabe more of a dad side of him unlike the show where he’s not even a father at this point I also like how all the characters voices aren’t as high pitched they’re more normal and I hate to say but Chloé looks so good
I agree on all those points.
Chloe looked sooo cute tbh!
@@puppydogs68 yes 👏
Fr. I can actually stand to look at her in the movie. Her character design in the show is like screeching chalk across a chalk board.
I totally agree with the hair. There was a scene where Marinette was on a rooftop or something, and I was amazed at how the hair would naturally touch her shoulder... It sounds dumb but it really was incredible
Is it bad that I’d rather watch the movie on repeat than wait for the series to finish? I mean the movie was EVERYTHING we asked for!! 9/10👏🏾
I'd watch the movie over and over instead of watching another episode of the show
I’d rather watch the movie on loop over the actual series. 🤷🏽♀️
Now I want to see what the sequel is gonna look like
I like how Marinette and Adrien in this film had an arc to go through. With Marinette struggling with social anxiety, goes through a journey of self-growth and gaining self-confidence to face her fears. And Adrien, struggling with loneliness, goes through a journey to find solace and companionship that he longs for.
I really love the songs, I especially love Ladynoir's duet and I guess, Gabriel's song. I'm a musical film lover so I love me some musical numbers regardless of how different the voices are for the characters' singing 😅
I just noticed now that Chloe had eye shadow and it looks so good 🤩
I do agree that they could've kept Plagg's sarcasm and I guess, laziness because that's Plagg 😂😂 The only thing that bothered me a lot in the film is the input of "Careless Whisper", Idk why, it's just weird imo 😭
I agree. Also, if you watch that scene where Chat falls for Ladybug with no music, it's actually a lovely moment. I have no idea why they played that song over it.
@@everythinggirly916 It could've been any song, at least like a soft piano, but a saxophone?? 😀😀
I'm surprised they used the actual careless whisper, instead of that one dance song that has a similar vibe that they use in the show, but idk I thought it was pretty funny. Especially the first time they used it. It's reminiscent of a lot of other "love at first sight" moments in movies where they'll play a couple seconds of a song like that, idk. I think that the second time we hear careless whisper (when he was sulking after getting rejected by lb lol), they should have had him be listening to a dramatic heartbreak 'all by myself' type song instead though lol.
@@madixoxo246d6I totally agree. And if they really want to insist on keeping careless whisper, they should've had him sobbing while singing the part " I'm never gonna dance again, guilty feet have got no rhythm etc"
@@danielasanchez4674 yee, totally lol
I only liked Tikki's song and Gabe's villain song tbh. I think Marinette's story and motivation was too basic and it couls have been better. Her dad could've been part of her story more to show a parallel between her and Adrien with his dad. While Gabe ignores and neglets his son, Marinette could be embarrased about her loving and caring father to then learning to apreciate him after looking at Adrien's and Gabe learns to be a better loving father after looking at Marinette's. It would also be a good way for them to talk and interact with a similar yet different problem they have in common. Idk it just feels like her dad was set up to be important in her story to just cut him out later in the movie as if they didn't have enough time. Maybe if they didn't focus so much in the musical aspect of the movie they could've been able to flesh it out more. Don't get me wrong, I loved the movie, even more than the show, but I still think it need a little more improvement (unless this movie was a way for Jeremy and his team to prove they can do a better job and maybe get to run their own Miraculous show??? Sourt of like a pilot episode? One can dream lol)
Marinette let her dad drive her to the ball at the ending (while she didn't let him drive her to school) I guess that should be the development, but you're right it wasn't enough
the movie was great, completely realistic, though perhaps a little bit too realistic. Just a tinge. I do like them both being shy but they perhaps should have gotten a moment to show kindness before the master fu one
@@poransuki8203 yeah, it just feels like they cut a lot of character developments for the songs. They could've made the songs shorter or take out one or two songs to have more time to flesh out the relationships of the main characters with others and each other. I still love the movie though, I just think that maybe they could've toned down a little on the musical part.
@@lifekindasucksrn6442 Exactly! It just feels like it needed to flesh out a lot of things that would make it even better.
@lifekindasucksrn6442 the show made him look more cuckoo in that instant.
Matinette inly saves Fu as she's getting away from Chloe. Showing her gear of Chloe, while spontaneously getting her to save a lige without realising.
Meanwhile, Adrien gets a surprise visit from a black cat. That emphasises his 'quiet sad boy' personality, seeing as cats tend to be more reserved.
Thank the lord for rewriting cat noir/adrien
I'm so glad they made him and ladybug equals
I love how the movie didn’t make marinette perfect a stalker and the famous girl but tryna portrayed as a “normal girl with a normal life”
Yeah they fixed her main problem in the show
Marinette's VA and the Singer in the musical segments were so obvious that they're 2 different people. Cristina Vee can sing, why didn't they use her to sing in the musical parts as well?
Dude that bothered me so much that I changed the languages around.
So on different devices, Netflix has more language options.
I literally got a HDMI cable to display my sister's MacBook screen onto the TV monitor.
I highly recommend Japanese for the singing. Everything is perfect except for Gabriel, you can use the French version for him.
Honestly the singing is good, but I prefer the singing to match the character if you know what I mean.
The French dub had the same singer for Marinette from the English dub, and the French actress is different too. It's equally as jarring.
Just try Japanese my friend, totally different experience. Don't get me wrong , I love French, I even started learning French 10 years ago for this show. Lol
I was looking for this comment, I also had to change languages lol cuz I couldn’t stand it
It's cus the original singer of the Miraculous song - Lou I think her name is - was given the musical parts way in advance.
This film was definitely needed after how lackluster the show fumbled the Gabrielle arc. Adrian bounced back after the mistreatment he got in tv series finale. Making Sakura from and Naruto and Kairi from Kingdom hearts better in their respective series by comparison.
I liked how marrinette's anxiety is shown in the movie. It is not like "oh no A-Adrian, I love him, I can't t-talk to him, this is a disaster." I think her feelings are shown better in the movie than the series. Yes she has anxiety in the series too but it is only for Adrien. In the movie, she developes little by little, and her anxiety is not only for Adrien but for others as well. She also gains courage and realises her value with the help of tikki and others and it is actually fruitfull. In the show, we see some developement but they are thrown in the trash immediately and we start all over like nothing has happened, and it is painfull for me to watch tbh.
I love how they got rid of Ladybug’s lucky charm so she can, you know, *ACTUALLY* have to put up a proper fight without having her somehow B.S her way out of it. Makes the film that wee bit better.
how were they fixing any damage tho? It's good that she actually has to think without using any object given to her, but it also served as a repair tool. And we saw a LOT of damage caused by the villains in the movie, yet it wasn't addressed at all, as if no damage was ever done.
@@havidikevidishe fixed the damage with the power of love at the end.
@@havidikevidi she fixed everything at the end, that is her power. I am glad to see the lucky charm gone, it only existed as a way to get the item with the akuma in it, wasn't needed in the movie.
@@DragonKingX78 i meant the previous damage from the other villains, not from the fight with Hawkmoth. Fixing that damage was neither addressed or showed.
@@havidikevidiUntil the end she didn't fix the damage they just put up with it
Honestly Astruc better be taking notes on the Movie
Also WHERE ARE MY SONG STANS I LOVED THEM 😭
I loved the songs 😭
They stick to me as well! Chaos will reign reminds me a little of friends on the other side watching its MV.
@@c.lineofficial lol I love Courage in me and u are ladybug
I also like how they managed to do Chloe way better in this then seasons 4 and 5. Because she’s not cartoonishly evil, she’s just mean girl mean. Which is a good way to make a bully character without making them insufferable.
Also, a Adrien actually being involved with the plot? In my miraculous?
Chloe give me Gwen vibes from Alexa and Katie
Now, if we can get a Chloe redemption arc, then only I’ll give it a 10 out of 10
I’m sure Chloe going to get it
They hinted on it at the end. And it's not like we're asking her to be a goodie two shoes.
Like at the ending, she can still be a spoiled brat, but it's mostly a front. And if given the chance she can be secretly a nice person. Base on Sabrina's shrug.
Think Tiana's best friend in princess and the frog. And add her being someone who is WAY MORE brutally opinionated.
Yeah they need to add it on the sequel to get my 11/11 rating
For now i gave it 9/11
Going into movie I was expecting it to be just like the tv show. But it was better it had better season. Adrian is more like an equal, and marinette isn’t a crazy stalker. And they didn’t reset when they found out they secret identities
exactly! I'm just glad they revealed each other's identities. Wish there's a sequel to this movie. I'd like to see Adrian and Marinette's love life :)
@@Samuel_Loegan yes I agree I’m sure we will
@@chloeeng6811 :)
@@Samuel_LoeganMaybe the second movie will be about thier lives as bf and gf but I don't want them to do a reset for the second movie cause it feels like this movie was made with no sequel in mind and the ending was out of nowhere cause they wanted to see if this movie does well for a sequel but I don't want them to reset any character development for a second movie if they can't make a 2nd movie without a reset then they shouldn't make it
The show really is a train wreck.
Honestly I just really like the character designs:
Marinette looks a lot more asian, which the og show doesn't really show that much.
Adrian himself, idk how they did it but they somehow made him look more innocent and naive, while also giving him this kind of "loner by choice" vibe that I really like. Like you can just look at this kid and tell that he's got issues and that's exactly what you want with Adrian.
With Alya, again I don't know how they did it but they really captured her vibe. Alya in the shows looks more like a cool kid who could potentially be 16 or older. But in the movie, girl looks exactly like someone who would be into journalism, and she definitely looks a lot younger. I feel like the choice of making her less curvy really helps show that this is someone who's barely a teenager, which is a good idea.
Design wise, I don't think Nino really changes. But I do like how he has this whole "I have rizz" deal going on, which is just perfect for the fact that they're all barely 15.
Sabrina is another good one. I like how just the slight change into an I guess, brighter but also warmer tone, makes her look a bit more quiet and shy. Movie Sabrina looks like she's a very sweet girl.
Chloe is by far my favourite though. I love how detailed her hair is compared to the original, and even how the colour of her eyeshadow seems ever so slightly different. Hell even her clothes despite being the same, look expensive. It really gives her this bougie "I care about how I look" vibe. Like Movie Chloe is undeniably a mean girl who has money.
A step in the right direction for this franchise, I hope this level of quality continues.
Me too
I think we Austruc not being part of the writing of Season 6(If I remember correctly) I think it might
@@tristanreyes8590 6 and 7 yeah
@@theautumnwind8437 Said so on his twitter account, should show up somewhere when you google it
I wish that if they ever decide to remake the whole show. THIS would be the foundation they use to make it.
Expand on this. Instead of fixing the issues of the actual show.
This film ending is so much better than season 5 it's insane lmao. It was a fun movie even if it could use a bit of work. I think it would be better if the show was just...the movie but longer lol.
Yes
@@anidiot1122I agree 😊
Nathalie also showed more characteristics here as well. "A son _needs_ his father." (Or whatever she said. lol) Here they _actually_ show that she cared about Adrien from the start, (at least to some degree,) instead whatever the hell the show did. I LOVE THAT. Everyone just seems more realistic here. More fleshed out. I also loved Chloe a lot. All of her lines are perfect and hilarious. I hope she gets a song if they're gonna continue that. I did love that Gabriel got a villain song. That was something the show didn't do for some reason. (But I stopped watching early season 3 though, so correct me if I'm wrong.) It was actually pretty good too, probably the second or third catchiest out of the list- in my opinion. And Gabe's plan to use actual criminals as puppets? Kind of genius. We don't know if he continued doing that during the fight montage, but still a genius plan nonetheless. But yeah they probably could have gone without the songs and fleshed out the plot more instead. Eh, you win some you lose some. I think in this case though, we still won a lot.
Honestly I looked at my mother on the couch when it was over and I told her my mind was blown, and I was so satisfied because she show left me a little disappointed but also curious to see where they would go next. I couldn’t believe how the movie ended at all. It was incredible and I loved it ❤️
I feel like certain things were rushed and we could've had better akumatizer villains and songs, but overall it was much better than the show.
Took the words right out of my mouth! Your so right I absolutely loved the movie but every movie has it's flaws 😅
Pacing IS the main problem, that's for sure, but it's almost perfect by any means.
Yeah. It had it's flaws. But still better than the original show.
Do you think they can make the sequel longer
Yeah I feel the same way but it is probably because we’re used to the show where everything goes really slow and they put the last 5 seasons into 1 movie
I loved the movie because of the beautiful animation, they removed tons of the confusing characterization (and problematic elements) to make a classic Disney level musical romance. And I LOVE a good villain song. Chaos Will Reign shows Keith can SING!
And his acting in the finale...legit tears.
And Adrien's tears when he sees his friend and his crush are the same...8 years for this. Worth it.
I wasn't a fan of Plagg's fart jokes, but I loved the rest of the humor.
If it couldn't have been two parts, it should have longer. Two hours is plenty of time.
I wish we got more time to learn about the butterfly miraculous. The intro portion made it out to be more sinister than it was in the show and hell it made me theorize that nuruu would be a twist villain and yet he’s still good ol nuruu. Like why does this one miraculous have so much distain and yeah I think they mentioned it in some small dialogue but still I kinda wanted more out of it
I agree it's weird Nooroo warned Gabe about using the power of the Butterfly Miraculous and yet it seemed it was tempting Gabe to use it in flashbacks.
In one of the promotional materials on one of Netflix's CZcams channels, Tikki referred to it as "the Chaos Miraculous". It's an angle they should've really developed more, especially since the movie indeed expects you to draw on your knowledge of the show where it isn't inherently 'evil' or 'chaotic'. Akumas in the movie also looked like they were more of their own evil beings, as opposed to just the vehicle for Hawk Moth to use his power.
Yeah I thought nooroo was gonna be like a nutruel kwami or a sinister one who enjoys creating "soldiers" I was bit disappointed when he was like "master" and everything.
@@hirahiro2331yeah same here 😊
as a musical lover i personally LOVED the songs and have been listening to the soundtrack on loop 😂 tho i came into the film not knowing it was a musical movie, so i do agree that them suddenly breaking into song was quite jarring at first 😂 after my second watch tho i began to really dig and love the songs lmao
The movie did all the characters so much better than the show, my favourite is Gabriel. You could actually feel his grief and you could sympathize with him, and actually showing his hesitance to do evil things makes him way more likeable. I also liked that instead of akumatizing people who are sad or mad, he's akumatizing actual criminals, I think it shows how desperate he is.
My only real complaint is how little they used Natalie, I personally don't really her character in the show, but it's obvious she's going to be the next villain in the second movie, but it kind of comes out of nowhere, especially if you haven't watched the show, I just feel like a few more scenes with her would've been good.
Also, I agree with the part about the music, the songs were nice in the moment, but nothing special or memorable for me.
Ikr,If this movie was an 1 season show, with us having enough time to see more caracter growth from Nino, alya, chleo, Sabrina, adrien, Marinette, Gabriel and Natalie, also some more dynamics and caracters development
It would have been perfect, maybe and not a so rush final, like the whole movie just slower in 1 season it could have been the best thing ever
The movie is in the right direction
It's just the story isn't exactly made for an 1 hour and 40 minutes movie
I wish we could have seen Marinette getting confident(not alr being after the montages)
Gabriel losing it
Adrien maybe not coming home more nights, and talking back to his dad, maybe some interesting dynamics
More of Natalie and what she thinks
More Nino and adrien, Marinette and alya dynamics
And Chleo getting to respect Marinette
Maybe seeing master fu or nooro giving us more info
It would have been perfect
(The movie is good tbh)
This is what the show shoudl have been😭😭😭
It would have been amazing
If this was 1 season show and it ends like the movie but having used more of Natalie seeing more what she thinks and what risks she is wanting to take and then this final it would have been so good
And then season 2 with her as the villian using the peacock miraculous *chef kiss*
Ofc that gonna be movie 2 but in a season we could have stretched her caracter more and used her more
I really enjoyed the movie! I think it would’ve been perfect if they added an extra 20 minutes to develop Adrianette and the Gabriel/Adrian dynamic. I thought the Ladynoir duet song was Beautiful, gave me “Rewrite the Stars” from Greatest Showman vibes. Hopefully we get a sequel
I think because it did well we will get a sequel
@@chloeeng6811 you right, it’s in the Top 10 movies in US right now
There is gonna be a sequel! It's been confirmed since 2021! In June, Jeremy Zag announced that the script for it was finished!
I was giddy over how much better the ending was than the show! And I enjoyed laughing at some of the obvious plot holes in the movie - like why is there a dungeon-like prison somewhere in Paris that holds comical villains? And why don’t they have better security??
Here are my thoughts on the movie;
Pros;
Firstly, the visuals. This is expected from a movie, but I do appreciate the animators and design team for their work, because this film looks gorgeous.
I think the movie did the superhero aspect of Miraculous WAY better than the show. The fights were better choreographed, and the designs of the villains actually look like something I would find in comics, instead of my nightmares.
Ladybug and Chat Noir being equals in combat. YES. FINALLY.
Tikki finally having a personality. I love her sass.
I also liked how they portrayed Hawk/Gabriel here. I can actually sympathise with him. Plus, he’s actually kinda smarter in the film? At least compared to Show!Gabriel. He akumatises mostly criminals instead of regular citizens, also the plan to akumatise himself at the end was great. I assure you, if he hadn’t found out Chat Noir was his son, Hawkmoth would 100% win in the end, he was super OP.
Now, for the Cons;
This mostly boils down to my opinion, but this film didn’t really need to be a musical. I hated that they went with a pop song angle with random rapping, none of the songs really stood out to me, plus it was so jarring to hear the disconnect between the VAs and the singers for Marinette and Adrien. For me personally, I rather preferred if this movie didn’t have songs at all.
Even though Chat had plenty of screentime, Adrien was heavily underutilised. I loved the emotional moment between him and Gabriel at the end, but I also feel like it felt a bit unearned, since the two barely interacted in the film.
The first half of the film was good, but pacing in the second half felt off.
I did not like the romance side of this film, it felt super rushed. Granted, it was already rushed in the show, but the film somehow made it more awkward. I guess LadyNoir was alright, but Adrienette needed more development. But, I am sort of grateful that they didn’t pull a “Will they, won’t they” in the film, because that would’ve made me lose my mind.
Plagg….that is all.
Lastly, even though this film is enjoyable, I think the main thing holding it back, is that heavily latches on the show’s continuity too much. You clearly see that this film was specifically made for mostly ML fans, people who already grew an attachment to the characters. It tries too hard to be a ‘reboot’ of the show, instead of crafting its own identity. That’s why the movie feels like it’s missing important moments like the romance development and the development between Adrien and Gabriel, it expects the fans to fill in those blanks, instead of filling it themselves. Hopefully, the sequel will learn from this mistake, because I think Awakening shines better when it decides to do its own thing.
Personally, I don’t think Awakening is worse or better than the show itself. I suspect that Zag doesn’t have much experience writing movies besides from the Paw Patrol movie, and I don’t know if that film is good, I’ve never watched it. Awakening has it’s problems, but it’s still a fun movie, and it’s ending is LOADS better than the S5 ending, that’s for sure.
Yeah. I feel like if they didn't made it a musical and didn't have songs. Then some more room for development and exposition could have happened. And like you said. Hope the sequels are good.
I agree so much with the singing at some times. Like me and my sisters were laughing our asses of every time Marinette’s voice randomly changed completely.
Doesn't Tikki already have a personality in the show? 😃
Fair and valid points and opinions.
@@princesserika9899 Yeah, sure she does…but compared to the rest of the kwarmis, Tikki is pretty bland. All she does, is be an emotional support for Marinette, and give out exposition dumps. In the movie, she has more a charm, she’s not actively mean to Mari, but you can tell she’s very experienced and wants to get things done.
I liked the movie. As someone that dropped the series after like s4(? I stopped on Marinetts's mom getting akumatized because 💀💀 that was so bad) I really really liked the changes. I love how the characters feel more real and alive. The school felt like a school not a kindergarten where the same students are rounded up. The visuals are stunning. Extremely stunning, that's all. There were flaws of course, but because of the series counterpart, I honestly was able to look past them and enjoyed the movie. I didn't finish the series tho. I'm not planning to rn, because I was treated like a brainless child in s4(? Still not sure). My friend said it got better but I have cleanly left the fandom after years now 💀 I came back because a movie review came to my feed and the review said it was good for the most part. And he didn't lie.
I like that the movie delivered what the series couldn't. Fcking proper romance development. Teenager me would've screamed in hormones from those two finally having screen time together.
Movie is great, yeah lost interest in the show ages ago.
Honestly. I agree, whilst I wasn’t as against the Season 5 ending as most people. The movie did it oh so much better. Thank the lord it was Adrien with the big Gabriel Reveal, and then Marinette fixes everything. Their importance was balanced, I really like that,
He’s finally reviewing it!
I’m not a fan of the show, but I’m definitely a fan of this movie! It was so good. Props to Zag for making this movie better than the actual show. Also the music numbers were surprisingly catchy and good👍
People should definitely check this movie out. Even if they’re not fans of the show.
I really loved some of the songs, the animation and the story, and how some things were even improved from show to movie. Like how chloe is more of a realistic bully, natalie and sabrina are more sympathetic, cat noir didnt constantly get sidelined, no smooth brain plot armor or filler, and best of all, the ending where they reveal their identities and adrien and gabriel's father son confrontation, and even the hint of a sequel, with a potential return of Mayura
Of course, the film did have flaws. First of, i felt as if we shouldve seen adrien's first interaction with plagg and his transformation into cat noir, and then the songs, which like i said were great, but it feels like they did a random song everh 10-20 minutes, i think they couldve left out a few songs. But worst of all: we didnt got to see the chad gorilla bodyguard :(
Anyway good film overall, flawed but good. But if they are gonna do a sequel and more, here i some things id like to see:
Introduction to mayura
Other miraculous being distrubuted to alya, nino and chloe
Chloe's redemption arc
Marinette and adrien's couple development
No more miraculous than the original 7
Adrien and natalie's bond development
GLORY TO THE MOVIE TIMELINE DEATH TO THE SHOW'S TIMELINE
I agree 100%.
“I kinda feel bad for Thomas here” I don’t. I can’t.
10:00 As someone who watched this movie with my family (who didnt watch the show), I can tell you right now that having no identity reveal would've pissed them off. Would've made me a bit mad too tbh. I think the love square is only as good as it narratively makes sense. The show really went overboard with it in my opinion. I am personally much more excited to see how Marinette and Adrien work together when they know their identities, and what problems/advantages it has. The show has done the love square to death.
(Also, agree on the songs. There were only a few that were integrated well (like the montage and the Cat Noir at the piano duet) and the rest were so abrupt they took me out of the film.
I agree with you. I personally always kind of thought as Chat Noir and Ladybug being their *true selves*-who they would be without their fears. To me their superhero persona was how both Adrien and Marinette opened up.
And so to be honest I’ve always been really disappointed with the show because basically throughout it was made clear that Ladybug, that Marinette, didn’t love Chat Noir.
And that has always bugged me (oh, haha unintended pun). It made me dislike Marinette because to me in the show throughout she’s only in love with a “perfect image”-the more fake persona that Adrien has at school. Marinette seems to like Adrien in the show only because he’s “flawless.” And I really dislike that.
I personally don’t see that she changes on that throughout the show. And because of that I have a difficult time believing she really loves who Adrien really is-which isn’t a perfect guy. Adrien’s actually impulsive, funny, witty, kind loyal.
And for Adrien’s side, although I can see how him loving Ladybug is a bit like loving a perfect image-somehow I think that’s actually less on his side of things. Because again, Marinette actually is being her true self as Ladybug in my opinion. She’s still clumsy sometimes and makes mistakes.
But, her good qualities are really her own. She is smart, brave, kind. I just buy into Adrien as loving Marinette for who she really is. I also don’t see how her identity reveal would be a dealbreaker for him. I think as she gains more confidence after being a hero she improves at school too. And I think Adrien would actually be impressed that she went from being really anxious to a superhero. Surely that would just make him like her more.
So, I never got why it was “a big deal in a bad way” if they fell in love as heroes-I actually think that makes the most sense.
Edit: So yeah I really prefer the movie over the show on the relationship dynamic as well. I always wanted Marinette to fall in love with Chat Noir, Adrien as his true self-flaws and all, basically that she would fall in love with a real human being-over the “perfect guy” image. In the movie I thought they did go more in that direction. And I liked that. The training montage for instance was really refreshing too-and it’s such a simple thing but it feels natural. They spend so much time together as heroes, and it was nice to see those moments.
really love chloe's portrayal in this movie and her (character model)
She was a jerk but she wasnt literally satan's little daughter, and honestly thats a decent way of portraying high school bully
She reminds of Gwen from Alexa and Katie
I have not seen the S5 finale of Miraculous Ladybug, but from what I heard from little birdies all over CZcams, I am really glad that I didn't because a lot of silly nonsensical things were happening, so I'm with this ending all the way, not only does it make more sense, but it also makes you not lose faith in humanity. I honestly hope we get a sequel because I want to see more of these character models, they look SOOOO GOOD.
On that note, I wonder what Astruc thinks about this movie?
If there's a movie 2 I hope we see the peacock miraculous and butterfly used
I’m sure we will get it I think either Lilia or Natalie will be the next villian or one from the show or a new characters
@@chloeeng6811yes I agree 😊
While the songs weren’t very memorable the first time watching the movie, if you listen to them again they can start to really grow on you. They’re actually pretty great to listen to if you give them a chance
This movie felt like old Disney where it was truly magical and far better than what Disney has been in the last 20 years where they became soulless and political instead of a magical animation studio.
I give the movie a 10/10 despite its flaws, same with the Super Mario Bros Movie
I couldn’t agree with you more! I wish Disney would make art instead of political statements.
I know that there are some who disagree but this is my opinion, and I think Disney has lost its soul and ruined a lot of old beautiful films with bad acting, poor song writing, and political nonsense.
However, the exception to this is Cinderella which was done so exquisitely well. Except I wish they would have somehow including “So This Is Love” but even so I loved it.
And I even liked Beauty and The Beast-I adoredthe addition of the Beast’s song Evermore!- but after that…. It’s been a mess.😅
And yet another opinion I have is that the old 2D animation is so ridiculously beautiful and the new more popular 3D is a sad echo which can’t even hold a candle to 2D of old Disney films or Ghibli.
Of course, this movie is beautiful and a tad rushed but gave everything the fans have been waiting for. Was quite happy but shocked to see it all come together so quickly after so long.
I wish they could rewrite the whole show like the movie.
Except, I like Marrinette and Adrian’s original characters and also the new versions too. I think there could be a balance between the two.:)
By the last 20 years? Have you even saw the movies?!
Frozen?
I think that if Jeremy Zag had made this into series instead of a movie, the pacing would have been much better. He could have even just made the movie about the characters’ origins. Set up how the two turned into superheroes, maybe give Marinette the Hero’s Journey (Adrien doesn’t need it since he loves the freedom Chat Noir gives him), and at the end make it clear that it was the beginning of their journey and then follow their journey in the form of a series.
The movie showed that Jeremy understood the assignment. I think he really listened to the fans. I loved how he handled the characterisations of Marinette, Chloe, Sabrina and especially Gabriel. We all know how fans felt about the direction those characters took in the series.
The only criticisms I have for this movie are Plagg’s voice actor (I really think that the original one suited the character more), Ladybug not using the Lucky Charm (until the end of the movie and even then I wasn’t on board with how they had her “use” it) and Gabriel’s hair when Adrien was younger. I think they could’ve taken the younger Gabriel design from the series.
Anyway, those were my thoughts. Thank you for making this video. 😊
Agreed 😊
I liked Plagg better in the Volkswagon and Flik Flak promos than I did in the movie itself. He was awesome in those promos. I just wish that version of Plagg had carried over into the film. I loved the movie overall, it was easily better than the series, but... I miss the old Plagg. :(
Here's hoping that they fix him in the sequel.
i was pretty disappointed in the way Jeremy made Plagg in the movie. Like honestly he feels straight up disgusting. If i didn't know actual Plagg from the show i would just assume that all he does is fart, burp and be extremely stinky.
@@havidikevidiJeremy Gag. Better fucking fix Plagg in the next movie. Or I'm suing.
It IS gonna be a two-parter! I mean I know there won't be the same love square situation, but I think it'll be really interesting to see their relationship dynamic with them finally actually being together! They'll have to navigate dating as superheroes in the public eye, trying to balance a relationship and their other duties and all that stuff. The sequel has been confirmed since 2021, and this June, Jeremy Zag said that the script was finished. He says that the first act of the second movie will be "more shocking" than the second arc of the first movie, which will be interesting. I'm really excited about it lol, I bet they'll have the other heroes in it (Not Marinette's entire class, but the less overwhelming assortment of other heroes. You know, Rena Rouge, Carapace, *Queen Bee*). It's going to be great. Also, I agree that they really messed up Plagg, (didn't mind that he was a bit more tough love, but ugh, I hated the fart jokes) but other than that, I LOVED the movie, I think my 14-year-old self would be losing her mind at this lol. And I kinda felt the same way about the music at first until it got to the song "Courage in Me" (where she makes the choice to actually be Ladybug and there's that beautiful and climactic transformation sequence) and oh my goshhhh that made all the difference. And each time I rewatch the movie, I love the music more and more lol, it really grew on me. The ladynoir duet is beautiful, and Hawkmoth got the villain song he deserved lol. I do love musicals, though, so I think that really makes all the difference here. It seems that the people who fully love the movie are musical enjoyers, and then the ones who don't like musicals have that gripe with it lol. But I think we can all admit the musical aspect was at least handled much better than that awful Christmas special XD
Tiki's song was good too
Ending was WAY better than the end of season 5 seriously how did that happen?!
Yeah now I’m waiting to see what gonna happen in the sequel
IMO: 7.8/10
If there's a sequel to this, I'll look forward to it with great enthusiasm. Thanks Zag.
There is a sequel they are working on it and making a third one too
I feel like this movie unironically had a good romance between the 2. In the show, it was kind of awkward love but in the show, the audience can feel the love. And also Marinette was animated way better in this movie.
I gave up on this show a while ago. But the new movie has given me hope for a complete reboot that is separate from this show.
First of the animation is chefs kiss. It makes it hard to look back at the shows animation tbh.
Marinette's personality was so much better, she wasn't a stalker, she only stuttered a little bit around Adrien like a normal love struck teen and she didn't fall over air constantly for no reason, when she was clumsy she was actually clumsy. She also wasn't rich and she wasn't popular, which made her social anxiety make sense, especially when being bullied by chloe, no one stood up for her even when it was Nino who pushed her into Chloe accidentally.
Chloe is actually a proper bully and not just using her daddies money to threaten Marinette.
Adrien actually acts lonely and isolated, his earphones in and moping through the school and he shines more as cat noir because of this, making it seem more like cat noir is his true personality instead of coming across as a separate personality. And he actually talks back to his dad and resents him for ignoring him while not listening to Gabe's bs excuses. Also it makes sense that he's a little selfish and calls LB a 'sidekick'. The kid's a famous model with an extensive fanbase, that's going to go to his head at least a little bit.
LB and CN actually work together as a team instead of him being side lined. It is actually about Ladybug AND Cat noir. Ladybug treats him with respect and they actually both act like teasing, playful teenagers. And whoever chose Careless Whispers needs a raise.
While I do feel it was rushed, of course it will be they crammed it all into an hour, they improved so much so easily. The only thing I hated was Gabe's long hair. Please never do that again. Oh and Plagg was done dirty, and Tikki's rapping was horrible. I don't know why rapping was added in. And I wished Adrien had a better scene of him receiving the Miraculous, that was extremely underwhelming. I felt robbed.
I think the problem we see with Astruc is he seems to have a very fixed mindset of the characters to the point he’s afraid to let them be normal.
To explain - yes - he’s the creator - this is his idea. But, I feel like over the course of the miraculous it’s obvious to see the lack of collaboration and directorial oversight over the major story line. It’s like - he had an idea and didn’t have any way to execute it in a way that honored the originality of Miraculous.
Because of that - his characters are like - so strange and so fixed. Like yes - there is some character development and we can empathize with Marinette and Adrien in the show - but they are so doll like. they are still so removed from reality - it’s simply harder to relate. Marinette in the movie was more grounded and her reason for becoming ladybug makes sense. In the show - she’s good at basically everything except articulating her feelings. She’s an overachiever and it doesn’t make sense given her personality is so frantic. Adrien in the show - is too perfect. He only has character as cat noir. He’s too nice to the point he comes off as gullible or childish. In the movie he’s allowed to have human thoughts and judgements. He’s also allowed to come off as prideful and arrogant - it makes sense.
Overall - I think what we see is the movie is a product of ten years of development and collaboration versus the show which was throw together over the course of smaller time frames and didn’t have the level of resources, leadership, or even time to be a well developed fleshed out story. The movie knew what we wanted as an audience and did it better.
Hope Zag makes Chloe a heroin in the sequel cause I 100% believe the remaining 4 of the og 7 miraculous are gonna be used next movie (Peacock, Fox, Turtle, Bee)
I would like to see her both as a villain and get redeemed as a real hero.
I’m sure that will happen
Since the characters were portrayed so much better, I hope to see a sequel just to get the Chloe redemption the show axed. I’ve waited 7 years to see her and Marinette bury the hatchet and become friends!
10:52 at least Gabriel in this movie is redeemable and sympathetic and has a valuable reason to why he uses his powers for evil to bring back his wife back to life than how Gabriel was in the OG show, at least he has an actual job outside of his house instead of being isolated in his household all the time doing his model career and that he isn't a straight up borderline abusive father when he trapped and isolated his son for most of his life and that he abused him sent him flying through Paris after he found out he is Chat Noir, straight up facts I like 🙂👍🏼
As fan of the series, I think it's utter perfection. 10/10
It really good I can’t wait to see the sequel
I enjoyed seeing how Zag handled the movie. The characters and, more importantly, the setting felt real! The city felt alive with all the small interactions in the backgrounds. I also enjoyed the attention to detail with subtle world building, like when Gabe was shown having blacked out after his first romp as Hawkmoth or his gradual deterioration as the film progressed. This is a good callback to Nooroo reminding Gabriel that they'd warned him about the consequences of abusing his powers earlierin the film. Yeah, there is definitely room for improvement, but this film did so many things right that I can overlook it's shortcomings. Overall Jeremy helped the franchise take a step in the right direction and I eagerly await a potential sequel.
I agree We are getting a sequel and a third one too
I don't understand why they didn't let Christina Vee sing in the movie she has a great voice
Well, I don't know if I'd call the movie a condensed version of FIVE Seasons...More like two. Because honestly, I genuinely believe, in my heart, that this movie is basically a simplified and "Disney-fied" version of what the original plan was for the TV series, proper, in the beginning. You know, before things got all needlessly drawn-out and convoluted, because Thomas Astruc didn't want to admit that he only had two Seasons worth of material and was too proud to just end his run and hand the reins off to someone else on the Creative Team, who might have ACTUALLY had an idea that would have moved the show and the characters forward.
As for the story in general, and Gabriel in specific, it's true that subtlety is not your friend in a 90-minute production and you really do need to be more concise in your message. I mean, there ARE inklings of the psychology behind the characters here. If you look closely enough, you can see that Adrien and Gabriel are essentially in the same boat, in that they've both been isolated by their grief. I saw another review that described Adrien as just kind of "sleepwalking through life", in the wake of Emilie's death (which is not an unfair assessment), and in his own way, Gabriel is doing very much the same thing. The only difference is that Adrien came to the realization that he couldn't get through this alone, so he kept reaching out to Gabriel for comfort, only to not get it. But then the Miraculous came his way, along with Ladybug, and THAT kind of became his support system (even if it WAS largely a distraction).
On the other hand, we see Gabriel doing what he's doing. But even though it's not explicitly stated, I believe he'd convinced himself that he was doing this as much for Adrien's benefit as his own. And you can kind of see that in how this version of Gabriel chooses his targets so carefully. Sure, the first guy was an innocent victim, but that's because it was a test run, more than anything, and Gabriel wasn't fully in control of the process. Once he knew the power worked, though, I believe there's a reason he only chose criminals to do his bidding, after that. Because what the hell...criminals aren't nice people anyway, right? So if anything happened to them or they got hurt, he wouldn't have to feel bad about it. Granted, that hardly makes anything he did a "victimless crime" because he was still endangering the lives of THOUSANDS of people. But I believe that, in HIS mind, this was the one frayed thread still tethering him to his humanity, in the vain hope that, when it was all said and done, he wouldn't have turned into a COMPLETE monster and could still go back to being the husband and father that he was.
But then, we get the scene between Gabriel and Adrien, where Adrien absolutely lets him have it, because he'd just gotten his heart broken, and that was the last straw, and all this frustration he'd been carrying around had finally reached a boiling point. So when THAT happened, suddenly Gabriel saw EVERYTHING just slipping away, and it was all too much. Hence, why he turned the power on himself, because at that point, he was simply THAT desperate. Now, would a few more scenes with Gabriel have helped to clarify his descent into this mindset? Yes. Absolutely. But much like the "Adrienette" moments (which, I agree, would ALSO have benefited from some more time in the oven), I think they were hoping that the montage was enough to illustrate that.
Still, getting into the "Adrienette" side of things, I can kind of see why they pulled back on that a little bit, because it jived more with the story the movie was trying to tell. Just like there was a reason the identity reveal was saved for the very end, because if Marinette and Adrien had found out beforehand, it would have led to a completely different climax. After all, if Marinette and Adrien were on the same page, odds are, they would have easily defeated Gabriel, powered-up or not. But while I'm certain the audience would have found that much more cathartic, the thing is that super hero movies generally see the heroes in a situation which purposely puts them at a disadvantage for the final battle, and this was it. Because Marinette and Adrien had fallen out of sync, it allowed Gabriel to gain the upper hand (we can only hope that doesn't become an ongoing thing later on, with any sequels, because let's face it...that would be bad🤞).
And then, of course, we get the ending, which, as I said before, I'm reasonably certain was at least LEANING in the direction the show was originally headed in...you know, before Astruc's madness took hold. Although I also suspect that the original climax was going to be quite a bit darker, with the "equivalent exchange" rules laid out in Season 2 hinting that, for Gabriel to have Emilie back, Adrien was most likely going to die. This would have been the act that breaks Gabriel, leaving Marinette as the only one who can fix everything and bring Adrien back. How were they planning to have her do that? Damned if I know. They probably couldn't figure it out, either, which could be why the movie gave us the ending we got. Not that it was a horrible ending. Certainly better than the hot mess that was Seasons 4 and 5, am I right? 😏
So now, we have the potential for sequels. And I couldn't even begin to guess what's going to happen there, except to say that I HOPE we get to enjoy the payoffs that this movie gave us (even if that fade-out at the end WAS a cheap sucker punch and I sincerely hope someone got a good kick in the shins for THAT). Who knows, maybe we'll get to see more balanced versions of our loving pair, going forward, with Marinette's newfound confidence possibly making her a more lighthearted Ladybug and Adrien maybe being a more serious Cat Noir, having worked through his grief and no longer needing to lean on that identity as an emotional crutch.
At least, that's just my thinking on it.
honestly, yeah, I think the main 2 problems with the movie was that it wasn't 2 parts and plagg
but other than that, this was such a lovely breath of fresh air after all us fans have been through with the series. can't wait for the sequel!
I personally loved the film and the songs 😅 tho I do love musicals.
So much better than the show. It’s exactly that, “we have Miraculous at home” meme. Stunning visuals, huge improvement on the characters, especially liked this version of Cat Noir, has his own kind of charm and the dynamic with Ladybug works so much better. I also like that this Marinette is not a stalker and can be assertive but not in the annoying bossy way she is in the show. Loved her singing voice too. I always had a problem with the bell. It just didn’t fit right with the CN costume but in this version it does, they made it smaller and it’s so cute when it rings from time to time. 🛎
Long hair Gabe has to be the most cursed looking thing to come out of this franchise. My sister and I just burst out laughing so hard when he sat there sulking over that picture we missed like five minutes of dialogue after.
If only this was the season 5 finale
Yeah it so much better then season 5
im glad that they are doing a second movie, hopefully there is some arguing between marintette and adrien
Hopefully they start dating and we get to see a real functioning relationship.
@@DragonKingX78I can’t wait to see what gonna happen
What made me really love the movie was how Zag was able to use all of the characters much better then Thomas did
I love how they didn’t add Zoe 😂😂😂 which means even Jeremy was confused when Thomas created her 😂😂😂
Super happy that they didn’t add her
@@ellies.lipglosssame!!
Why would they add her if they didn’t expand on Chloe at all? You can’t really introduce characters like Zoe and kagami in the story.
@@charismaentertainer1657 but they added luka
@@mgueye2mgueye261 like literally lives in Paris with juleka
As per usual, Hawk Daddy G delivers the best song in the movie. Though on the music, I legit short circuited when Adrien was listening to 'Careless Whisper' during his angst session.
I need them to fire Astruc and let Zag run the show at this point.
This movie took me back to when I first started the series. The romance, the fun, the action and the visuals, the relationships.
It was a fun movie. Plus I love Gabriel dancing around.
Zag came through when we needed him most.
I love the movie I can’t wait for the sequel
Other then doing plagg dirty. I liked how they fixed our girl. Was tired of her craziness in the show.b4 they admitted their love. It was more relaxed
The movie is definitely better than the show and at this point there is absolutely no excuse for how the show turned out if the managed to compress 5 seasons into a 1-2 hour movie that actually makes the plot work.
Also, let's not forget the fact that the movie even managed to achieve what the show robbed us of in the season 5 finale; *A PROPER FINAL CONFRONTATION BETWEEN ADRIEN|CHAT NOIR VS GABRIEL|HAWKMOTH*
Seeing it in the movie only proves that we were robbed.
I mean they even made Gabriel likable depicting him as not a prideful jerk but a broken, desperate grieving man who misses his beloved wife.
I actually felt bad for Gabriel in this.
Even Gabriel's bond was slightly healthier as while they were distant at first, you could actually see that it was due to the pain and loss both were experiencing following Emilie's death.
At least this time Gabriel could see that Adrien was hurting and felt guilty about it, even more ao when he realized how he nearly killed his only child because he was consumed by grief and, he and Adrien finally grieved together and let go.
Speaking of Emilie, finally we got to see and hear her after 5 seasons of nothing and I can certainly see why the Agreste family fell into grief following her death. She seems like such a sweet person.
Plus, Emilie and Gabriel's backstory was far better than the show as the concept of them being childhood sweethearts really makes it work.
Adrien got better character development as instead of being an isolated child with little to no social knowledge, he is a slightly introverted child going through the stages of grief and quite possibly in therapy.
I liked Marinette's development in the movie as they greatly toned down her crush to a healthier more relatable level and we could see her progress in growing from her fears and doubts to a confident young lady.
I even liked Chloe's development as a character cause while she was a bit of a bully which I still don't condone, she wasn't as bad as the show and she seemed more like a girl trying to uphold a kind of hbic persona than a malicious bully who took pleasure in hurting others.
She was more restrained and backed off when things seemed too far.
Plus, I got the impression that when Marinette stood up to Chloe, Chloe developed a sense of respect towards Marinette that she can stand her ground and now their dynamic is more between an acquaintance and a frenemy where Chloe respects Marinette but likes to try and rile her up a bit.
Chloe and Sabrina's friendship looks a little better too.
Also, at least Master Fu actually trained both Ladybug and Chat Noir to work together and not just Ladybug.
Speaking of the heroes, there partnership was actually on equal ground, even if Ladybug was more of the leader, they treated each other equally.
Finally, they gave us the reveal that we've waited so long to see which I'm almost certain gave a lot pf people the closure to stop watching miraculous for a while unless they really want to see Lila's arc when the seasons resume.
That being said, the movie was great, yes it had its ups and downs but still a very good movie and without a doubt better than the show in which the show has no excuse for how it turned out.
I don't feel bad for Astruc. That's what he gets for being a bad showrunner.
He really is a P.O.S. human being.
Arguably, this is way better than the show because it's much of the quality of animation, but also because of the fact that has better storytelling
Arguably, if jeremy zack had actual control over ladybug and catnoir in a reboot series