WHO KILLED PEGGY HETTRICK? | MIDWEEK MYSTERY
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coroner: in my professional opinion, only someone with extensive medical knowledge could have done this
police: cool cool cool cool cool so we think it's this 15 year old high schooler who most certainly has no medical knowledge whatsoever
A 15 year old boy performed a female circumcision w medical perfection and was given up by his dad. Poor kid man....
Yes what an awful father.
They have ruined Tim's life. Everyone who decided to arrest and convict him based on such a shocking lack of evidence should be ashamed of themselves.
They should be prosecuted themselves.
The father ruined his child's life by turning him in to the police... I hope it haunted him for the rest of his miserable life
Scary to think that simply living in proximity to a crime or being the one to find a body would be enough to make someone a murder suspect.
I have lived in Ftcollins for 50 years. Tim Masters was Innocent but he was known to be a weirdo. I went to school with him and he was odd even back then
Y'all are all so misinformed about Masters. Yes he is not a killer but He still a weirdo and always have been one
That poor kid, he lost all the chances to be a normal person because a grow ass man decided he was guilty of murder for being himself. Tim wasn't weird, he was just a kid, I mean hell I make similar art and love knives too, it doesn't make you a murderer. I hope he can rebuild his life the best he can after losing so many years locked up and alone, it's such a disgusting case of mis justice
Wait you mean someone in power had decided this poor 15 year old child murder someone with no evidence just cause the kid was weird. The poor human spend 10 years in jail for a crime he didn't commit and the only people who really has to pay for this is the tax payers... That really does describe America.....
The level of corruption in this case.. :(
Jess A yup!! We cover up insane amounts of corruption under the guise of capitalism!
Also a 15 year old... performing masterful, surgical removal/mutilations that would've probably taken time to perfect. Wtf. I'm absolutely shook at how small minded these people are.
Swear to God, 𝙗𝙞𝙜𝙜𝙚𝙨𝙩 𝙛𝙚𝙖𝙧 as an American citizen. Forced to live an inescapable, neverending nightmare... also maybe I watched 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘓𝘪𝘧𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘋𝘢𝘷𝘪𝘥 𝘎𝘢𝘭𝘦 at a very impressionable time of development!?!
"the only people who really pay".... Except the guy who was imprisoned!
The fact that he drew horror scenes was used as evidence is ridiculous. It’s scary that a teen can be convicted because they like drawing horror
Its like how the West Memphis 3 were convicted just because they wore black and listened to metal
@@vict4451 my mom and stepdad would be screwed
About the shoes- in the 80s we called them jazz shoes and the gray and white ones especially were worn, by guys mostly, with jeans, so not really dress shoes like we think of them now.
I wish I could say that I’m shocked that the police manipulated, planted and lost evidence but I’m not.
Tim’s father helped ruin his life and I would never be able to forgive him if I were Tim.
I agree what the hell was he thinking
Emma Munro for real! If I saw a dead body I probably wouldn’t know what to do either Tim was just in shock like most people would be. Idk how the father and the cops assumed that equated to him killing her.
All this time the real killer must of been sitting back enjoying the show. I hope that Dad feels $hit!
At no point did they look at Tim's father? Who accused Tim in the first place? At no point did they think maybe kid draws violent things cause his dad's violent? How'd Tim's mom die? And all the stuff about Tim being able to see the body from his house applies to the dad too.
I don't think his father accused him of anything, I think he just mentioned to the police that he saw his son veer off his usual path and look at something! He would never have known that it would turn into what it did.
@@georgiamarie_ yeah but you mentioned that as he was underage his father also had to sign off on all those hours and hours of interrogation he suffered as well. I'm not normally one for conspiracies but in this case where there was just so much focus on Tim to the exclusion of everyone else it really does look like some group of people led maybe by the detective were trying to cover it up and decided Tim was to be their scapegoat. Also was there ever any attempt to look at this MO outside of Colorado? Linking nipple removal, genial multilation, red headed women, any of that. Such oddly specific things in this case sound a lot like past cases of interstate serial killers where when the case finally reached the FBI they were able to link several cases together across several states. Maybe that will finally be what sheds some more light on Peggy's case.
I wonder what Tim’s dad thinks about his decision to tell the police.
I don't think Tim's dad thinks a lot about anything. I think Tim's dad is an airhead.
Odd isn’t it. My first thought was Tim’s dad could be covering his own involvement by trying to place suspicion elsewhere. I know that’s not the reason now I am near the end but still find it odd.
He deserves every penny of that 10 million. Imagine being accused of a vicious murder that you didn’t commit and then having to spend some of the best years of your life prison! I would be fuming 😤 Poor bloke. Poor Peggy.
To be fair, yes he didn't killher but he was/is a sexual weirdo. He had maniquens with woman's jeans on in his closet. Again that doesn't mean he is a killer but if he didn't have those weird things going on and those weird drawings he would of never been a suspect to start with, AGAIN that doesn't mean he is a killer
Wow... his dad and law enforcement entirely destroyed his life
When I was 15 I barely knew which was called what and the workings of my lady parts- there’s no way a 15 yr old boy would know a girl’s genitalia more to perform a surgical circumcision so for the jury to believe Tim did that is utterly ridiculous
It's never a mannequin. I am kind of surprised at how often people start with that assumption. I'm in my mid-fifties, and I've never yet seen a mannequin thrown out in some random field, rubbish pile or alleyway.
Exactly!!
i think its just shock and denial that makess ppl think its a manneuqin, or makes them rationalize to themselves that its a mannequin. i mean, if you saw a dead body, you wouldnt want to believe what youre seeing.
Us true crime watchers know that it’s never a mannequin. But those that don’t…… will always assume it is. 🤷🏽♀️
that's true.. but having seen some photos of corpses I completely understand how they could be mistaken for mannequins
I am very surprised that a jury found the kid guilty. They tried to tell the jury because of his artwork he had the skills to remove those body parts. Looking at his pictures he is definitely not an artist, just a boy doing some doodling.
I agree, Tim obviously isn't a very meticulous person based on his drawings and I just don't find it that strange that he drew the things that he did.
I feel so bad for Tim. I couldn't even imagine what it's like to have the police, the media and a jury believe that you are a disgusting killer/mutilater based on drawings. I'm a 25 year old woman and when I was a teenager (12yo-16yo) I LOVED drawing knives, guns and swords even though I've never even killed an animal and never would. This case is so upsetting. Apparently being a bit of a strange kid is evidence of a killer 😒 and based on his drawings, he isn't meticulous enough to mutilate with such precision.
I live in the region where Peggy was killed. It was a big deal when Mr. Masters was exonerated for the crime. I am adamant that he was convicted based on his artwork and not any physical evidence. It’s frustrating how they focused only on him instead of other possible suspects. I have a feeling that the deceased eye doctor could be a possible person of interest.
The detective dude is sus. Even when his theory didn't add up he just pushed harder.
Detectives with tunnel vision are some of the most irrationally determined people in the whole world
Confirmation bias. He was so focused on this kid…he would convince himself the evidence fit even when things did not add up on the whole
I think it was the doc across the street. Although, with such detailed records he kept, there would have been a mention of that crime.
It's tragic what happened to Timothy as well. Hard to believe how some of these cops and detectives sleep at night.
As a side note, the bracelet. If Peggy was a drinker, which it seems she went out a lot, but maybe wasn't a heavy or frequent user(?), than "losing" her bracelet and then finding it later is something common with alcohol users. I can see her not reporting it found.
Just some thoughts. Great video, a truly frustrating case.
How do you convict beyond a reasonable doubt when some of the jurors had DOUBTS??
Poor Tim. This investigation reminds me a little bit of the West Memphis 3 case. A violent crime occurs. The police overlook all logical evidence and try desperately to pin it on the "weird creepy kid" from the neighborhood because he lives nearby. They ignore all other logic and evidence to get that conviction, which is eventually overturned, and leaves them looking like idiots because now they've wasted so much time they'll almost certainly never find who actually committed the crime. Its so sad all around.
I was thinking the same!! The weird response from society in the small town
lol
Seriously, I've GOTTA know...who is discarding all these random mannequins all over the place that these people always think they're finding?
I would absolutely think dead body before I'd guess mannequin because why in the ever lasting hell would it ever be a mannequin? That bit has always baffled me.
Right?? I want a survey of how many people ever found a mannequin in some random deserted area v.s. finding a dead body. It's not like department store workers routinely say "oh time to toss some old mannequins, let's go drive to the boonies and scatter them".
I don't know, before I started watching true crime, I don't think I would ever have thought I could just find a dead body. It simply didn't register as a reality in my head so I'd probably have thought of anything else before that. I have seen weird shit scattered around in random places like fields or wooded areas so why not a mannequin?
Especially in the 80s, people probably didn't really hear about other cases in such detail.
It’s because our minds always try and go to the most reasonable/easy explanation. You may
Think now that you would go to more extreme explanations or negative explanations but if you are or in a situation like that, I doubt you would
@ Sophie Lou You have zero idea what I've experienced in my life so telling me how I'd behave in a situation is wildly inappropriate.
@@sophielou2929 @Sophie Lou That's the thing: It is not unreasonable or extreme to think that a human-looking thing in the middle of nowhere IS an actual human rather than some discarded dummy. That's where dead bodies ARE found and we hear about that concept frequently. Why would my brain assume 'mannequin' when the only place I associate them with is the back of a department store and I've NEVER seen one lying in the open anywhere else in my life.
You mean to tell me a 15yr old had the medical skills to mutilate Peggy like that? AND the only evidence he did it is his weird drawings? Seems like a big reach to me
i knew someone involved in the initial investigation of this case (not one of the primary investigators), between 1993 - 1995. so, several years after their involvement. they were quite adamant that many in the FCPD did not agree with how the case was handled.
i believe there are cases like this quite often, unfortunately. be it tunnel vision or an inherent reluctance to openly challenge senior officers. the last 10+ years has fortunately seen many improvements in training specific to better communication between junior and senior levels (in policing, the airline industry, etc..)
you did an excellent job detailing this case. thank you.
I hate that people that kill people, that are never caught, are still out there and having kids and having a life, while the family suffers for their relative that was murdered 😩
nobody asked but blue eyes and red hair is the rarest hair and eye colour combination ❤️ very beautiful woman, may she rest in peace
Oh I thought it was red hair and green eyes? I just assumed because green eyes are the rarest colour. Red hair and light eyes are gorgeous either way 😍
Most natural redheads have blue eyes
E really that’s cool i’ve never met a red head with blue eyes and i know a few , i just read in a fact book one day that red hair and and blue eyes is the rarest combo and i never forgot that for some reason lol
I live in England and I've got a flat mate who is from Ireland and she has this same lovely combination of red hair and blue eyes. She is so pretty! She also loves walking everywhere. Even in the dark, she is completely fearless. I always worry about her and offer her lifts but she always refuses. It was really creepy watching this video for me!
Beverley Macca wow she sounds beautiful!! pretty and fearless i love that. i can see why this case would be extra creepy to you tho !
I love how respectful you are to everyone equally! So many people judge others and I've had so much backlash defending an addict or someone like Peggy that just has a complicated life.
The fact that you were moved by the handbag contents made me a bit emotional myself, Georgia. That's the kind of thing that strikes me in these cases, too. Thinking about my own bag, I know I have dozens of bus tickets lying around, a whole mini first aid kit because I'm both clumsy and overly prepared, all sorts of hair bobbles and pins, silly bits and bobs I've collected. Embroidery thread probably. You can get such a sense of someone's life from something like a wallet or handbag, it's a haunting last image of a full live lived before that bag becomes part of a crime scene.
I love how thorough this video is! Very frustrating there hasn't been any more movement in the case or justice for Peggy when it seems the answers could have been found very easily if the police tried a little harder from the start!
I wish I could say that learning about this case just left me “disappointed but not surprised” but quite frankly I am *WAAYYY* past shocked, surprised,stunned, or speechless from this. I’m fuming but Georgia’s work will always bring about unmatched content & detail. Incredible work, Georgia 👏🏽🖤 thank you for yet again teaching me something new!
much love from Texas 🤙🏽
anyone else find it highly suspicious that tim's dad just...decided to randomly incriminate his son like that?? no?
I don't understand how some police investigations are allowed to be so incompetent and questionable. Is it that easy to become an officer of the law?
this is old but yes, becoming a police officer in the US is very easy, less time put in than most uni courses in most places, and this sort of corruption is a lot more commonplace that you would expect when you dig into it, especially in drug arrests or to target marginalized people
This really reminds me of the West Memphis Three, people's misconceptions leading to someone being wrongfully convicted. Also, I cannot believe the "he's an artist and therefore has extensive knowledge of anatomy" when his drawings looked no better than any other typical teenage boy's??? Are you joking???
Colorado native here and I’m really shocked I’ve somehow never heard of this case. Tragic not only for Peggy but also for the innocent man who had to spend years in jail for a crime he didn’t commit
Could it potentially be someone in the police force or a relative of someone in the police force that did this? Which would lead to them focusing solely on Timothy. Seems like a big cover up. Love your videos!
Georgia is one of the most well spoken, clear and concise persons on CZcams, she gets the point across so well. She's some woman for one woman ♥️♥️
I was a manager at the Prime Minister Pub and Grille at the time of Peggy's murder. Around 11:15am on the morning after Peggy's sad and ugly death (the hostess had called in sick so I was seating incoming customers), two men entered the building and asked to speak with the manager. I told the men that I was the manager. They asked me to sit with them in the empty bar. I told them I couldn't because I needed to run the host desk. One of the men, said this is far more important than seating customers.
I asked them what this was about. They told me they were detectives in the FoCo police department and they'd tell me in a minute. I had no idea what they were going to tell me. I felt intense nervousness. I said, "You'll need to wait just a minute while I get someone to take my place." Once that was settled, one of the gentleman asked me if I had worked the night before. I hadn't. I actually had just flown in late the night before from visiting my family in another state. I could see that one of the men held photographs in his hands. He handed me one of the pictures and asked me if I recognized the person in the photo. I did. It was a pic of Peggy standing with a horse. I said yes. "Peggy Hettrick. She and her boyfriend, Matt Zoellner, are regular customers. What happened?" She was found dead right across the street, in the field, where one trailer home sat (as I remember it). I gasped. They asked if I thought Matt was capable of killing her. I knew Matt and he was a different kind of person. I said, "I don't think so." Somewhere in that conversation, one of the detectives said that she might have been killed in the Prime Minister parking lot and moved. To say the least, I was freaked out. I couldn't believe it.
This was the first of many visits from the police. I'll add a little more to this after Christmas, as this is not exactly holiday subject matter. I only mention this because I had just this morning come across a story about Peggy, a program which came out in 2020, called Crime Scene Confidential, which I watched. I will add more to this after the holidays. Nannette
Gee... If the D.A's office was so confident about their conviction, then why would they try so hard to block the defense from doing further testing?
wow i think you re the first youtuber to talk about this case! i ve been fascinated with this story ever since i saw a dateline episode about it over a decade ago. love you!
I am from Denver Colorado thank you for doing this case and doing such a good job! This case is huge here and the injustice done to Timothy Masters is heartbreaking....I think it was the doctor personally but I guess we will never know because they destroyed all the evidence...this case is so infuriating and so sad that Peggy Hettricks family has never seen real justice!
I think so too
It was rumored those tapes he has filming the woman peeing in his toilet, one of them might of been Peggy
I miss the little background music in your videos!!! Am I just imagining that there used to be or did you take it out 😂your the best!!!! Keep it coming.
Georgia I really appreciate your clean presentation style. It's easy to understand and follow what you are trying to convey. Thank you. Also your speaking pace is perfect.
Ooo this is a long one can't wait to get a cup of tea and watch it
seriously I'm not even half way through this video and I already know Tim is innocent. the 'evidence' they have is utter traaaaash. it seems they forgot the person was wearing buisness shoes and the cuts of mutilation were Doctor level skills. let alone the fact they never found the nipple at anypoint, whether with him or in general. im sure the killer kept it as a trophy. i understand the pressure and want to solve her murder as soon as possible. cmon do it right and thoroughly the first time, stop forcing things or using the most outlandish evidence. the tunnel vision some detectives get is crazy, all common sense is thrown out the door..
Heyy Georgia 🌙 thank you for covering this and your makeup looks gorgeous
Thank you so much!!
Love a long video from consistency queen 💓
This case proved one thing, that Steven skiegelberg, Alfred Hitchcock, Clive Barker, And even Todd mcpherling the creator of spawn, Are all equally guilty of Peggy's murder because they've drawn disturbing artwork and make horror stories as a form of entertainment...
Omg - thanks dad, you ruined my life! What a scary ‘justice’ system 😬😬😬
im absolutely obsessed with your videos and i would love if you could do the 1916 rising in Ireland as part of your history series 🥺!!
I watch a lot of true crime on CZcams and listen to many podcasts. I have to say this is one of the best described and well told cases I've heard. Amazing job 👏👏👏
Georgia, I’m such a huge fan of your videos - your style & delivery is just my fave (and believe me I watch ALOT of YTers😂) You have inspired me to start my own channel where I share Irish true crime cases❤️✨
Love your videos, it makes me really hopeful that someone so young can speak about the cases you do with such dignity directed towards the victims.
Also LOVE The history series 😀
Yay so excited for a long video! Going to make my work day go by faster 😊
How can we be sure that the same person that killed her is the one who surgically removed her nipple and performed the genital mutilation? Especially when we know for a fact it was done post mortem.
Just a theory... Let's say Long killed her - in my opinion the murder itself fits his MO the best and any inconsistency could be explained by the fact it was his first kill. To be honest, that doesn't even matter that much, let's just say the killer whoever he is commits the murder. The Doctor sees him dump the body from his window (it's established he had a clear view of the field/dump site) and as a sexual deviant he can't resist the urge to go there. He might have even perceived the situation as somebody leaving an unconscious woman who was assaulted. Whatever the case, he just can't resist the opporunity, it's early morning and he's the only one who knows about her at this point so he goes to the field. He discovers the dead woman and decides to indulge in his sick fantasy.
All your videos are so quality. I appreciate your content greatly
My Mom was Peggy's boss and she often talked about that handbag and how mom had sold it to her and she had to go to court about the receipts :(
So glad I came across your channel I have binge watching your videos! ❤️
Yay! Thank you!
Love you and your great efforts in the awesome content that you put together for us all Georgia Marie 🙏🏼 ✅ 💯 👌🏻❗
You've inspired me so much to do the same and share the stories of poor victims ❤️
just what i needed 🙌🏻✨
Totally forgot today was Wednesday until I saw Midweek Mysteries pop up in my sub box.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. IT IS ALWAYS TO SEE YOU ON VIDEO
I love listening to your videos while I clean. Only thing that helps me get threw it 😂 x
Whenever the police and DA go to great lengths like this to put someone in jail it makes me think it was a police officer or someone at the DAs office that committed the crime. I know its probably not true but it always gives me that vibe
It was LITERALLY the surgeon and his friend in the case was just covering up for him. Like seriously, it's so obvious.
This case is utterly disgusting. It was obviously the surgeon. How did they get this so wrong?
I feel so bad for Tim, imagine going to prison for something you didn't do
You deserve to get so many more views, favourite CZcamsr!!
Love your videos 💙
Love you Georgia! I've been watching you for years! Thank you for what you do 🧡💓
Thank you so much!!
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Fort collins was a small town back then probably 60,000 people. The field where they found her was next to tim masters trailer park. That field is now a huge apartment complex and expanded trailer park.
A lot of guys in my grade when i was in high school drew things like he did. Its just a thing boys do i think
me watching this currently living in fort collins. i really hood justice gets serviced for her and her family. god bless
I love binge watching your videos 🤓😁
Hay georgia marie i love all of your videos stay up girl
A good midweek mystery would be the "Most Hated Woman of the 20th Century" aka Madelyn Murray O'Hair. She was the found of the American Atheist Association and was very straight forward. It's sad because if she were a man all the nasty things wouldn't have been said. For those who don't know you definitely should research it.
When I was in 2nd grade I wrote a story book for school. I had just lost my cat so I wrote my book about my cat being hit by a car and me keeping her kittens. My teacher thought it was dark and called my mom. Kids express themselves in different ways then adults. Sometimes those ways come off as dark. But as a kid your not thinking about how something can be seen as dark.
I have absolutely no idea how these so called police officers manage to get away with such dishonest and discrimatibg crimes! It's all about who u know!! 😤😤
Love your approach to videos!
This case is so sad on so many levels... It made me think about all the creepy stuff I (and I'm sure the majority of kids/teenagers) wrote or drew, and how lucky I was that nobody thought much of it back then. This is ridiculous. I wonder what would happen if a true crime fan was investigated in a similar way, and it scares the hell out of me. Aren't we all just a bunch of potential murderers? 🤫
Thanks dad! Appreciate it!
can u look into the Alaska triangle? super interesting
Ooh that sounds fascinating!
Praying for justice for Peggy. They could have solved this had that cop not had it out for poor Tim all those years ago.
It really makes you wonder how some "law enforcement" pass academy or pass testing for detective roles 😐🤦🏾♀️. This poor kid, sigh 😔
The first rule of both medicine AND law enforcement should be ...DO!...NO!...HARM!...if...a case HAS to go cold, so be it. A grisly crime compounded by the authorities being criminally responsible for framing an almost certainly completely innocent man. This is the kind of case that casts enormous doubt & mistrust in the eyes of the public , the fact that members of law enforcement were willing to go to GREAT lengths to railroad a suspect instead of conducting an honorable investigation and letting the chips fall where they may . SHAMEFULL!
I thought you were saying Florida fancy for a second and I almost felt my soul leave my body
Also, how do you go on to build a life for yourself after being pursued by the people you're supposed to rely on to keep you safe since you were a child? He was 15 years old, such a fragile age. What a waste of his youth and the trauma they caused him cannot be compensated. No amount of money is giving you that time back.
Such a sad story, two lives were ruined . And as always well done video 👏🏻❤️
I wonder what kind of defense attorney Masters had to end up convicted by a jury that wasn't completely convinced & despite the lack of physical evidence. How horrible. I grew up & still reside in Colorado. Surprisingly (even with my love of murder mysteries) I'd never heard of this case. So thank you so much 4 covering it.
i love how you say "killahhhh" haha
I used to be a scouts leader for kids/young teens, and they definetly draw some fucked up shit from time to time, but I have yet to see any of them actually behave violently towards other people or even animals.
Knife collections, too, are not that weird, maybe this is bc i'm surrounded by many outdoors-y people, but we fucking love knives 😂 Big knife for longer campingtrips, small knife for weekend trips, one knife for cutting fruit, one knife for woodworking, stainless steel knife for rainy days or canoeing trips, and so on.
Tim wasn't suspicious for either of those things, it's literally just being a teenager 🙄
The detective was just like when your dog eats something they're not meant to, and when you call them out they just chew faster 🙄
I'm so grateful that you don't put clips of interviews or 911 calls into your videos. ❤️
I'd love to see your videos on magellan
clearly by the endless true crime stories, its NOT safe to walk alone at night, i wish i had been aware of soo much criminal activity back then, i often walked alone unawares
I swear she said that they found a MacBook in her bag..❓
In 1987..⁉️
Confused.... ❔🤔
ok i am a colorado native and am shook at all these cases. especially this one, i still consider fort collins small and safe. my sister has lived there for years. old town square is nice and still very much there. ive always considered it safe
I heard this case a long time ok !🦋
.. seems like the prosecutor and hammond shared more that the "attendance" at the church
What is in the water in Colorado?
I am sick about the art being used as evidence. Alot of kids, not just boys, girls too, drew stuff like that. Many of us from my area love knifes. Poor poor tim.