KITTY GENOVESE: WHAT YOU KNOW IS WRONG | MIDWEEK MYSTERY
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My grandma was from NY and she always told us if you're in trouble, yell "Fire" not "Help" because people will come out if they think there's a fire but not for someone yelling help. Good advice.
fantastic advice!
Thats good advice indeed.
I took Model Mugger in the 90s in Boston and same thing.
SAME!!!’ My grandmother taught us “ fire” or “ rape”
@Heather Stockwell. Wait, what? What's model mugger? I've never heard of that.
I love how "wonderfully gay" and "insert uhaul joke here" are phrases you actually used and my gay little heart loves it!
your tangent on having a girlfriend LOL i love it so much, very "and they were roommates"
the infamous gal pals 😂
I was living for the joke about "lesbians moving right in with each other" you threw in. It's so funny because it's so true.
Also I personget "you're not a lesbian anymore right" because I just happened to question my sexualality in my 20's & had 2 kids & ended up with my youngest son's father who was extremely abusive for over a decade. For this reason I refuse to label my sexuality. I love who I love & that's all there is to it. Congratulations on moving in with your girlfriend @Georgia Marie 💏👭🏻💕
I love that you have a girlfriend!
Great episode, my aunt still lives with her 'roommate' they are the happiest couple I know, as far as I know they've never acknowledged their relationship openly. None of us would care but they seem to deliberately keep it to themselves, they have been 'roommates' for 20 years, both in their 60's.
Each to their own I guess, I'm happy you're happy!
oh my gosh they were roommates
Baby delivered this story and said.... CHILE IM GAY, JUST TO CLEAR THAT UP. And went right back to the story
I loved this so much has really said 👏🏻 guys 👏🏻 come 👏🏻 on 👏🏻
Love her!
Loved it!!!
Hearing about her life made me smile. You humanize the people you talk about and it's easy to connect to them.
It's so sad that she was attacked twice! I can't imagine her fear and pain. RIP Kitty
This is wild! I didn't know any of this, only the false narrative. Thank you, Georgia, for sharing the truth of this case.
Thank you for watching!!
same! I am shocked
Alizza Bliss_TAW I read your comment before watching the whole video and at first I thought 'false narrative? Yeah right how bad could this be.' Girl, you were not fuckin kidding. I'm actually disgusted.
This is one of the cases I’ve heard that is absolutely tragic and disturbing. She was violated, tortured, suffering, shocked, terrified, confused, scared, and completely betrayed. I can’t imagine how tragic it is to have your life suddenly ripped away and knowing two people could have scared away the attacker- she was looking for people because she thought it would save her. Imagine seeing someone closing the door on you and realizing you were going to die because no one was going to help you. I mean truly this is devastating to hear of :(
and that someone being your friend! Even worse, poor lady indeed.
Who closed the door on her? I must have missed that bit.
I agree. Kitty deserved better.
It's not only sad she got attacked twice, her friend was scared the murder would be pinned on him cuz he was gay and a guy decided to take a nap instead of helping someone get away from a murderer, it's also so sad to think that Kitty's girlfriend was be treated poorly after losing the love of her life just because they loved each other. Must have felt like the biggest slap in the face for her and Kitty's memory
I love you have a girlfriend my daughter is gay and am so proud of her she doing criminal psychology in uni and I couldn't ask for a better daughter love her no matter what she loves your videos thankyou you don't know what it means to my daughter thank you because she is really struggling with it xx
you are a wonderful mum!
@@georgiamarie_ thank you so much xxx
As a gay woman, this case hit me hard. That poor girl.
This is such a big example of how misinformation and oversensationaling stories lead us to forget about the most important thing - the person who had their life taken away. ❤️
It's so sad isn't, going into this case I really didn't expect it to affect me as much as it did. Kitty has definitely been lost in this narrative!
Why does her being gay make a difference? It should hit you hard because she was a woman and a fellow human being. Her sexuality made no difference to the hurt and pain this poor woman endured.
@@thedativecase9733 It makes a difference because the more similarities you share with the victims, the easier it is to relate to them.
Another case study that's heavily discussed in psychology classes that you could talk about is the Stanford Prison Experiment.
very interesting experiment, but the validity was poisoned by control figiures inserting themselves into the experiment.
what was a valid idea def got out of control, hurting people and invalidating the "data.
I agree it is worth one's time reviewing the experiment.
She did make a good video on that; I tried to link it but my phone isn't cooperating argh, but it's from 2 years ago and comes up if you search "Georgia Marie Stanford"
@@bobh9785 exactly. They weren’t just told they were authority figures, and the went wild with power. If I’m remembering correctly, they were told by higher up authority figures that they had to be a certain type of authority figure, and were basically influenced by them into being a “better/stricter” authority figure to the poisoners in order to “prove themselves”.
I watched an entire DOCUMENTARY on this case a few years ago and never knew she was gay! I love, love, love the work and the heart you put in your videos. Thank you! 💖🥰
Have you watched the one with her brother?
@@jezistar1881 yes!
ID channel’s “A Crime To Remember” (season 2, episode 1 titled “38 Witnesses”) is about Kitty’s murder. I think I remember it, either, insinuating or outright stating that she was involved with a woman at the time. I knew this all along, so I had to have learned it from somewhere, and that episode was the first time I’d heard of Kitty Genovese. Maybe I realized it from another source later on, though. 🤷♀️
Don’t know what channels are available to you, but, if possible, check out A Crime to Remember’s take on this horrific murder and others. The dramatizations on the show are so good, so intriguing and so darn heartbreaking. It’s wonderful that lovely Georgia is offering such a brilliant video about Miss Genoveve. Rest In Peace AND Power, Kitty. 💔
@@michellecena8159 ty! I'll check it out!
YOUVE REMAINED ONE OF MY FAVE CZcamsRS FOR SO LONG. I LOVE THAT IVE WATCHED YOU GROW TO WHERE YOU ARE NOW.
thank you!
I’ve known for years that the mainstream version of Kitty’s story was not accurate, but I’ve NEVER heard of her being a lesbian and how much that context matters in what happened to her and SO many other people at that time. The sensationalism of false narratives in media leaves deep scars and can take years to undo in the cultural zeitgeist. Amazing and thought provoking video as always, and you also look beautiful! 🥰
It's not a true crime story, but I do know that the Rosa Parks popular account isn't accurate: she wasn't an old lady and she was not tired. There was thought out intention in her revolutionary action.
Love this idea! Not exactly the same but it'd be amazing in addition to misconceptions about Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Including forgetting he was assassinated as we was starting up the Poor Peoples campaign, very occupy wall street/liberation theology/socialist stuff
i also heard that she wasn’t actually the first person to refuse to give up her seat. a much younger girl, claudette colvin, did but she didn’t fit the narrative so rosa parks became the person everyone was taught about.
She also wasn’t the first person to refuse to give up her seat but she fit the narrative better than young, teenage, pregnant Claudette. It was better to have an older(ish) woman than a girl. Some people even refuse to acknowledge Claudette
Just imagine if she didn't HAVE to do this...right...everybody could just get on public transportation and shit the hell down... However, most people know that it didn't "just happen". She actually wasn't the first. It was Claudette Colvin. Rosa just fit the profile.
@@georgie7355 I believe Claudette was a teenage mum too , so back then it didn't make her ideal for the job.
I've never heard of this case but in 2019 I witnessed a shooting with 10+ people and I was the only 1 who called 911! It took Detroit PD 7-8 minutes to show up. The news station got there before an ambulance did! However I didn't give my name bc I wanted to live. I had no clue who the victim was or the shooter. I later found out the victim was only 16!
BTW when u said u were moving in with your gf I knew exactly what u meant!
yeah, the thing about the bystander effect is that people don’t help a situation (by stepping in, calling 911, etc) because they assume that someone will/already did
At work once We needed the Teenage girl behind the desk To call 911 for someone and she just kept shaking her head saying "I'm not doing that!" She acted like nothing was going on at all!!
I don't care if Kitty was a Crazy Cat Lady. The sad fact remains that Kitty was horribly and violently attacked and assaulted and NO ONE did a damn thing. And I mean NO ONE to include the police, too.
crazy cat lady ??? and that's a bad thing ! that's amazing. That girl was precious :')
But people *did* do something. The “no one did anything” narrative has been proven false. There is a documentary that focuses on her younger brother’s quest to find out what really happened. Several people called the police. One man yelled from his window, scaring her attacker away and stopping the first phase of the attack. (The attack took place in multiple locations, in three separate “phases.”) More than one person called the police. (But unfortunately the police didn’t list all calls regarding Kitty’s attack.) Also, the documentary (and this video) revealed that Sophia, Kitty’s friend and neighbor, came to Kitty’s aid, putting herself in danger, as Sophia didn’t know whether Kitty’s murderer was still there or whether the attack was still on going. Sophia held Kitty and comforted her, as they waited for the ambulance. The fact that she didn’t die alone was a great source of comfort to her younger brother, who had been extremely troubled by his sister’s murder from the time he was a child.
The documentary discusses the statements that her murderer made regarding Kitty’s murderer. Those statements were so chilling. They give particular insight as to how truly evil and depraved he was. And as this video states, he was a monster, with absolutely no regard for human life.
sophia? did you watch the video?
Moseley killed two other women, 15 year old Barbara Kralik and 24 year old Annie May Johnson.
The Netflix documentary on this is also really interesting. Poor Kitty.
I can't even imagine what must have been going through her mind when he came back & attacked her the second time. My heart breaks for her! RIP Kitty!
That would explain why her marriage was so quickly annulled! I didn't know about her girlfriend! Wow, you always have some new information for your viewers!
That “YEP” was the cutest, funniest thing 😂
Psych grad here, this is absolutely FASCINATING! I love this Georgia and appreciate your research and content. Really interesting stuff thanks for doing this 😁
Oh also.... you're SUCH a good ally Georgia...... 😏🙃😂
I learned about the bystander effect and about kitty last semester during my psychology class.When i heard her story I just couldn’t believe it, so you bringing context to her story changes the whole narrative. Thank you for opening my eyes about those who witnessed and their stories, as well as the lack of urgency from cops, and most importantly kitty’s!!!
As a girl who grew up not far from the English coast, I have often heard seagulls shrieking. It sounded very much like a woman suffering from an injury screaming for help however, because I heard it every night when there was a storm, it was just a noise. One night I was awakened by a scream that went on for what felt like hours. I couldn’t move since I wasn’t fully conscious and had problems with sleep apnea. All I could hear is a distressed woman shouting “Somebody help me!”. Slowly, I realised it was a seagull and the state I was in- of drifting in and out of sleep- had hallucinated words onto the womanly cries. It was then I realised how much seagulls sounded like women bleeding to death. England is a horror show sometimes.
Ahh this case is my child, thank you for covering this!
I hope you feel I did it justice!
@@georgiamarie_ as a fem lesbian and long time fan of your videos, you definitely did!
I was just thinking georgia should cover this and it actually happened 😇
Wow, I never knew about any of this. I always become smarter on your channel.
Just wanted to thank you for your videos🥰. You’ve helped me more than you’d know last year and your in depth videos especially your history series has really motivated me to read more ❤️❤️
aw you're so welcome!
As a native NYer, I can tell you we are much kinder than we have a reputation for. We may be cranky, but there will never be a shortage of people coming to your aid should you encounter trouble here.
NYer here. There are so many misconceptions about NY by people who have never been here. They only parrot what they hear. We're always in a hurry so we may seem uncaring
This was nearly 60 years ago. Different time.
I've never heard of this case and that's one of the reasons I subscribed I love it when you cover cases I've never heard of
This one pissed me off on so many levels I don't know where to begin
I was just talking about this case with my psychologist last week. I’ll be forwarding your video over. Great research!
The friend who rocked Kitty and held her made me so emotional. That was so beautiful and sweet
I never clicked so fast in my life. Throwback to my A Level psychology class. I studied this in relation to bystander effect along with the Piliavin et al study on the New York subway. This has always stuck with me. Thanks for covering this one. I really enjoyed it, fantastic as always 😊
im so obsessed with your videos over every other true crime youtuber. when i found your channel a few months ago i binged every one of your videos. theyre so calming and informational.
thank you for your content. i appriciate it so much.
Omfg I had no idea you had a girlfriend, I love you even more now 🥰🥰
Why? She's gay. Get over it. Stop fetishizing her
Thank you so much for sharing her story, the actual truth behind it and so much more. I’ve been a follower of yours for a long time and your videos are always throughly researched and perfectly put together. I never even heard of Kitty’s story before and I love learning more about different cases. You are awesome Georgia! 💕💕
Well done..I've seen some other documentaries cover this case before but this one was the best I've seen. I remember this being brought up in a psychology class back in the late 70's but it seemed to focus too much on the fact she was gay and it being more like a hate crime..too much false information about this case..thanks for giving us a much more clear view of this atrocity..WELL DONE
Wow. I have read about Kitty and watched videos, and literally this is the first time I’m hearing about her sexuality. Crazy how buried it is. RIP Kitty.
Georgia I love your ear rings!! Also your content is so wonderfully detailed and and accurate and I appreciate all of the hard work so much
I love the way you cover these cases. Your coverage of history and human philosophy and psychology is wonderful
I've heard this story so many times and this is the first time someone told the truth.
That was awesome. Your passion and thorough research were compelling viewing. Thank you 🙏🏻
"A man is a attacking a woman in my stairwell!"
Police: "I bet it was her "lady friend"
Excellent job, as always! I’m so proud of you! ❤️
I never knew any of this, and I’m so happy you shared this story and the awareness you’ve brought! Side note, I love your earrings!❤️
You're right, I didn't know nearly any of this. Thank you so much for the well-researched information as usual!
Thank you for sharing, Georgia! I live in Queens and my ex lived in Kew Gardens. i remember learning about this in college, i was a psych major. You did a great job at describing that area. Theres so many buildings and little stores here. i know exactly where this took place and its crazy to think about
Truly fantastic reporting. This should be shared widely.
i love your videos georgia! ive been following your channel since a couple years now im so glad to see it grow, keep doing you!
Your passion for this case shines through and thank you for going against the grain and clearing this up so we know the facts ❤️
You're one of my favorite true crime tubers!! You research your videos so well and you're always impartial to the story!
You should do the Mauerova family case next!! That one is so bizarre and so interesting!!
I don’t understand how you don’t have more subscribers, I love your channel so much!!! Please keep it up, I love your history videos❤️
Thanks so much for clarifying this situation. I never realized the truth and I've got family living in that area today. I'm grateful to you.
This is so so so interesting!! You have definitely changed what I knew to be wrong, thank you for the corrections to this story, Kitty deserves an accurate account of what happened. Mad that one article had the power to change 'facts' for so many people, the media is so powerful.
That was an incredible video, Georgia, thank you so much for making it! I remember studying this in university about a decade ago; sad to see nothing has changed. I remember thinking back then how monstrous it was of all those people to not do anything. And I'm furous at myself now, 'cause I see I took the word of teachers and coursebooks as pure truth. But then again, a student isn't expected to question every single thing I guess. It's why it's university, or at least it's supposed to be...
I haven’t heard of this so thank you for covering- paused the video to just say this! now i’ll continue! love your videos!
Absolutely love every single one of your videos! Love from Portugal ;)
Wow, thank you!
So glad you addressed this! Just the other day someone commented on a youtube video saying that in this case so many people were watching this happen when that is just not the case. I blame the media for false reporting on this case and it all snowballed from there.
Absolutely loved the video, thank you for telling the whole story!
SHE HAS A GIRLFRIEND OMG I LOVE THIS PLEASE SKSKEKDICJICIE LITERALLY THOUGHT YOU WERE AN ALLEY UNTIL I HEARD THIS AND DIDNT WANT TO ASSUME ANYTHING SKSKEJDJDJ AHHH OMG
This is so crazy that you just made this video and we were talking about this case last week in my law class!
Thanks Georgia. Have watched a few videos on this case and have never heard it from this perspective. Very interesting!
I always walk away more educated from your videos than most of the time I spent in school. Thank you for everything you do! Rest In Peace, Kitty! 💗🙏🏻
Thank you for the brilliant video, Georgia. So many of us love you and your videos. 💝
Rest In Peace AND Power, Miss Genovese. I hope that you are somehow aware of how many people, to this day, are still telling your story. 💔
Nice refresher viewing. Thank you 😊
Brilliant! Context is everything. 💜
I talk about and write about Kitty all the time. I learned about this story a long time ago after watching a show about her on TV. It was the most bizarre thing.. I was laying in bed and all of a sudden the very second that the show ended and the credits started rolling, I heard a huge crash and crunching sound outside. I ran to my window and saw two cars had crashed into each other at an intersection in my neighborhood. I had never seen or heard an accident like that before and I took it as a sign to never be a bystander and I've stood by that ever since.
I have many stories of me having to call the police because others just didn't care or want to, but this story bugs me the most - One time a coworker had somehow sliced his foot onto a huge piece of glass and was pouring blood everywhere. This man was literally standing in a pile of blood and my manager went into the office and just sat in his chair with his hands over his face, saying he can't deal with it and doesn't want to call for an ambulance.. wtf? Anyway, out of 40 people working at the time I was the only one who called for him. I don't understand people.
Excellent work Georgia!!!! I learned about this case in psychology but knew NONE of what you brought forward. Thank you so much. Love from Huntsville, Alabama, USA.
A great breakdown of this case and changing the narrative.Thank you
Embracing everything you are like a true queen! You are so geniune Georgia! No one better to cover a case like this then you
I’m so excited you did this case! 🧐 xxx
Awesome coverage of this story. I’ve heard it 100 times and heard how it really wasn’t 33 people, etc. Never once heard she was a lesbian and how it effected her partner. This is why I love you channel. Always giving us new info on cases we may have heard before!
such a good video! its really great that you bring up the social ills these cases point to (and that you draw your own conclusion!), since so much of true crime is more like...scratching an itch for morbidity. which i dont think can be divorced from the genre anyway, but its great to have these discussions!
Marital rape wasn't a crime, but being openly gay was. How bonkers and backwards is that!? Smh.
Wow, I grew up not far from where she lived. It’s still considered one the safest areas in Queens. I heard about this case, but you provided so much more information. Thank you.
Another really incredible video Georgia - thank you!
You're so welcome!
In my psychology course we had this story but no details just covering narrativeabout bystander effect. Thank you for giving all details and explaining more about it. :)
I really felt your passion about this case and it certainly is shared. The true story of this murder is very important to tell. You told it very, very well!
Great to wake up to one of your uploads (I live in NZ). Please could you cover the case of Deanna Criswell one day, it's a very interesting, but very sad one.
Excellent video!! I remember this as a kid living in NY. It made headlines.
I almost skipped this video because as you say, this is a well-known story. I listened anyway because I like your take on things. We should always look at a story in the context of society at the time the story happened. Thank you for putting this story into perspective
Omg I go to school in Long Island and I always past Kew Gardens when I take the LIRR. Gonna give me the creeps next I pass it
Awesome video! Btw your eyeshadow is on point!
I remember learning about this case in Psychology A-Level (circa 2000) but now I realise so much of it was missing. Thank you
Kitty’s case is one that’s always stuck with me. Then watching the episode of A Crime To Remember and having them act it out (not the full attack but the bystander effect) just made my stomach churn
I'm mesmerized by your earrings, and how they match your eyes
Yes I remember this well from Psychology at Uni but our lecturer did a fine account and dispelled myths as did you Georgia :)
I learned about this story in my High School Psychology class. I use it for so many situations in life. Its shocking, even after this story, how many people still just stand by without helping. Even today with cellphones everyone thinks someone else will call the cops or that there's nothing they can do. Its very interesting and sad.
Wow I learned about this case in A level Psychology but watching this made me realise that most of what I was taught was incorrect and a lot of the important details were missed out! Thank you for covering this case, I always learn something new when watching your videos x
I love the way you say "Kitty."
I'm from brooklyn ny and this second time I ever heard this story... You tell it so well🥰
Great video, as always! Also, I always found it weird that girls call their female friends girlfriends because when that term is used I always think they mean a romantic partner, but that's just me. Anyways, interesting case, and as for cases that have been dramatized in media, HH Holmes and Lizzie Borden are perfect examples.
PS I love the earrings. Very Slytherin
We have used the term 'Girlfriend' to describe our heterosexual friends that are girls for years where I live. I am a married heterosexual female in my mid 50's, perhaps it is more the norm depending on where one lives, and possibly age has something to do with it.
I live in a Canadian city of 36,000, so hardly ultra urban, and most females in a same sex relationship here, introduce their girlfriends as their partners.
@@dellahicks7231 I've known plenty of people who call their female friends girlfriends. I just meant that, for me, it never made much sense. When I was a kid it would confuse me because a lot of women in my family use the term in that way and I was always just like "you mean your friend?" because I knew they were hetero. 😹 I think it's regional and generational. Probably because it's only super recent that people have felt comfortable enough with society to discuss non-hetero relationships, so younger generations (not calling you old, I just mean roughly 30s and younger) would be more used to a female talking about her girlfriend and meaning a romantic partner.
@@TheScarletAlchemist I agree that it is likely a generational issue, our son is almost 22 years old, don't think I've ever asked him how he perceives the term, but I suspect he would think along the lines you mention, it would denote a same sex partner.
I knew you weren't referring to me as old Scarlet's Wonderland, sometimes there are only so many ways to word things!
Take Care & Stay Safe!
@@dellahicks7231 yeah, it may be one of those terms that just means different things depending on generation and location.
Also, thanks, and you stay safe too!
Im English and found it really stands out in the US we dont really say that here in U.K when describing a friend thats a femaie - we just say friend!
This has been an incredible case coverage! I didn't know any of this. Just what I learned in psychology about the bystander effect. Thank you for all your hard work. I live in a very rural area so I totally know what you mean about the noises that female foxes make.
Wow, I learned so much about this case. Thank you!! I thought I knew it, but obviously I didn't!
Great Video Lovley George
Out of the context but your eye make-up is so perrfect and beautiful.❤️
Great video!!
Hi chick. Thanks for covering this. Don't know if you're aware but Audible have a very good book on this case. My daughter is only 23 so this case resonated with me. Tragic and harrowing
What’s the name of the book?