Switzerland just got NEW TRAINS and they're amazing - AGAIN
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- Hallo,
Since a few months already, SBB CFF FFS, the Swiss national railway has introduced a new train in its fleet, please welcome the RABe 512, the latest generation of the highly successful Stadler KISS...
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- TRIP INFORMATION -
Date: December 2023
Railway company: SBB CFF FFS
Route : Schaffhaussen (CH) to Zürich HB (CH)
Time : 39 min
Price : 24,20 CHF-25,25 €
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00:00 : Intro
00:30 : Trip info
01:02 : SBB newest fleet addition
02:26 : Boarding
02:54 : Seat Check
04:25 : Older bro
04:46 : Rhine Falls
05:31 : Spotted by... myself
05:57 : Mid roll ads
06:28 : Smooth ride
06:37 : Walkthrough
08:53 : Toilet Time
09:36 : Bike storage
09:51 : Approaching Zurich
10:38 : Pendo Pendo
11:00 : Thoughts
11:32 : Outro
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I think it's not only Stadler who deserves a praise for the interior, but SBB too. They were the ones who checked everything on the option list probably.
No the seats are bad especially for 3 hour journeys these trains run on
I'll also add the tray tables are narrow and not long enough. I wouldn't have cost anymore money to have large functionnal tray tables. Otherwise, I'm impressed with what I can see in this video. I'd enjoy commuting aboard them.
1 Class on this train is a pure rip off absolute scam
@@Wolfy.travel I don't travel first class, and it's weird to have first class on suburban trains. Now I don't like suburban trains generally and my preference for any journey over an hour goes to old style compartment coaches, with thick and soft padding. There haven't been any produced since the 90's and there are no EMU's with such compartments.
@@girpe5635 Come on! That's a S-Bahn!!! Please tell me on which S line you can travel 3 hours?
The average S-Bahn trip is probably between 20 and 60 mn
Oh that we could have trains of this quality in Great Britain!
Oh that we could have trains in Canada!
@@fridericusrex9812Canada is a third world country
@@flopunkt3665 Yes, and it's only getting worse (if you can imagine that).
@@fridericusrex9812is it really? as a us-american canada seems a slight bit better than my country but it doesn’t seem too much better, so idk.
@@Celevie413 Yeah it's bad. The country's crumbling - quite literally.
Stadler trains are really nice! With the KISSes, FLIRTs, their amazing locomotives (eurodual's are great!), and, perhaps some Stadler-built unpowered coaches for these locos, these trains can easily transform a railroad into world class!
But I think there are quality differences between Stadler Switzerland, Stadler Germany and Stadler Poland. And it is precisely the slightly less financially strong countries and their railway companies that order from Poland.
The Luxembourgish rail operator CFL has been operating the Stadler Kiss for a few years now, running on the beautiful Moselle River line to Koblenz. Definitely worth to check that line out.
Oh yes! That trip is beautiful!
Well, he should do it probably in the morning or evening, when the bright illumination inside the train stresses your eyes. Once took the "IC" towards Düsseldorf in the morning from Trier what is only a prolonged RE and didn't feel to comfy. The only comforts were less stops and travelling through to Cologne, but the interior is not designed for long distance services.
Nice video. Sleek, streamlined train. Beautiful scenery. Seats comfy for a short trip. Thanks Thibault.👌💚
What a great and relaxing video! Thank you!
I go to school in Oerlikon now, so I often take these from Oerlikon to Zürich HB on the IR36, I really like them, but I have 2 complaints:
- The seats are quite hard and not fluffy, I suspect they'll get less hard over time, but I would prefer a more fluffy cover, like on the RABe 511 or the Traverso
- I wish the livery had a bit more black on the bottom, more like the IC 2020, as well as black window bands on the mid-level, it just feels a bit empty right now.
But apart from that these are still exceptional trains, which I appreciate every time I ride one, just like the RABe 511 that sometimes run on my line to Zürich (S7).
in the end when the livery is one of the biggest complaints, then you know it's a good train
If someone complains about seating on a 15 minute run the seating is really bad. These trains run on some lines up to 3 hours and it’s not something you want to do in these seats.
In that red and white color scheme these things look like the Caltrain ones in the Bay Area! Beautiful trains! Can't wait to ride them!
They’re actually the same model
That's the general SBB color scheme, you will find it on almost all state-run trains in Switzerland :)
You won't get our beautiful trains! How dare you!
Your review videos are still the best.
I love these trains.
So comfortable and quite.
Another marvel of the Swiss rail industry !
Thank you STADLER…
This is the worst train by far but ok
It‘s far from the worst train. Bombardier TWINDEXX Express (a.k.a. FV-Dosto) is way worse.
Bombardier has built some of the worst trains , more than once….
@RoyalFlushFanDB TwinDexx can be quite alright in my opinion, the older seating is rather comfortable.
I love your videos & this specific one (and others like it) because of the walking tours through the cars. I've travelled on trains since I was 6 months old. I love them. Cars & planes never could compete. I never even had a driver's license. Trains are the Way. Thanks to you & Superalbs.
It`s always a pleasure to see those trains. I live near Schaffhausen, seeing them every day passing through my home town. Before those trains were fully introduced on the Re48 they sometimes replaced the older Re450 with their DPZ (so the one you arrived with in Schaffhausen) on the S9-Line which was really cool to see them stop. Sometimes they get replaced by the RABe 511, but currently the 511 get replaced sometimes by RABe 514 (the Simens which can be seen on the other side of the Rhine River while passing the Rhine Falls)
But you`re definitely right, they are amazing and Stadler just showed their outstanding quality again after introducing the Giruno
Nice!😊
Enjoyable video as always - thank Thibault. We love holidaying in Switzerland (a bit expensive but well worth it for the scenery) and buy a Swiss Passport allowing travel on most trains, buses, trams and lake steamers. Seating in most 2nd class SBB trains is firm, but unless you’re travelling on a very busy service it really isn’t worth upgrading to first class.
I largely agree with your comment, except that when I buy a Swiss Travel Pass (the correct name) I do think it is worth upgrading to first class. Almost all Swiss trains (including the S-bahns) have first class. Perhaps more importantly, on the lake boats the UPPER deck is first class only, and this is rigidly enforced.
If the train is fully booked you can always ask another passenger if you can sit on her/his lap.
Great trip report
Excellent train video 👍Greetings Joe
This is absolutely amazing. Nice brand new train!
Nicely reviewed Swiss train.
It’s very cool to watch these videos about Swiss trains and know that the Bay Area will have the same trains next time I visit. Hard to believe in a way.
Fun fact: SBB does run Stadler KISS to France, RE service from St-Maurice, VS to Annemasse, Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes using RABe 511.
Soon on RABe512 too, but Annemasse can hardly be considered to be in "France", it's 300m away from the border and the infrastructure is Swiss.
@@marsaeolus9248Gare d'Annemasse is owned by SNCF. The railway line between Genève and Annemasse is owned by SBB.
For 15-20 min rides those RE trains are nice. But Imagine going from Annemasse to St.-Maurice with them 💀
@@KXY5 they're fine I often take them from Vevey to Geneva :)
@@marsaeolus9248 Oh, I would prefer to wait and take the IR 😅
Beautiful electric AC double decker trains in Switzerland 🇨🇭.
There seems to be quite a few more differences vs RABe 511. On the upper deck, in the 2nd class, they lost the single window non-facing seats (they actually lost that small window all together) - guessing there's more spacing between seats now, but you have no choice but to seat facing someone. They retained that single non-facing config in the 1st class though.
Yeah, I don't understand why they don't have more non-facing seats. It's just awkward if you're not in the mood to chat.
Great! A train with a decent bike space.
I hope i don't have this from Zürich to Chur next month, does not look as comfortabele as the wagons behind a 460 in IR service
Looking forward to take EC 163 Transalpin. One of the few remaining trains to be hauled with a BoBo - actually even 2 of them 😍
Only a pair of Re4/4 on Saturday and Sunday. A single one Monday to Friday
They only run on the IR services between Zurich and Chur. If you take a IC service you should be fine:)
@@peldar_ as long as you don’t get caught with one of the IC Class 502 units to Chur which can be quite rough riding and the loco hauled IC2000 coaches are much better.
Fun Fact Caltrain got also the Stadler transits before the Swiss railways but they are sill not running due to the eletricfication process
Great trip
Fantastic video❤😁😁😄😊😉👏👏👏👏👏👏❤👋👋
Auf dem IR36 zwischen Zürich via Brugg, Frick nach Basel werden diese Züge auch eingesetzt. Ich bin auf der Strecke Zürich - Baden im IR 36 gefahren.
Its a good thing swiss railway platforms are not build on curves otherwise the gap fillers won't work.
I can't wait until the US see them too on Cal Train
You can't have our beautiful trains! How dare you!
This line (Schaffhausen - Zurich is weird) as there are multiple different service pattern and thus types of trains serving it. The few times I rode it they booked me on the German IC (coming from Stuttgart I think)
I travelled with this train at Hungary with MAV! I really liked this train, its fast, and big, and it was clean, and very cool!
Boa viagem ai simplys show lindo trem
Seems amazingly quiet!
They look very nice. Im really looking forward to seeing the KISS and FLIRT trains being operated by the ÖBB in the future. We'll see the first few deliveries in ~2026 if i remember correctly. There's nothing wrong with our current double-decker trains but they got a bit old over the years.
I love this train
Simplyyy 😃
Nice video. Great looking train. My only suggestion is I would like to hear you voiceover the whole video, not just the beginning. It would make it much more engaging!
Sou do Brasil e adoro assistir esses vídeos de viagem de trem.
Dope! Have you done a review on any of the trains to Zermatt? Also it was dope to see you pass through my current city (Raleigh, NC/USA) 😁
Ah, the good ol' classic, switzerland, the land of cheese fondue and alps, wish i could go there some day...
You should...it's awesome!
Caltrain in Northern California are getting these trains. There are a few on property.
NO, you are not getting our beautiful trains! How dare you!
Serbia has the same garniture of the train too, and it's used for the only high-speed rail line.
Reminiscent of an electric train Stadler Kiss, which began operation in Azerbaijan (Baku) in 2015, and in Russia (Moscow) in 2017.
I see you caught one of the rare days where you can see the Alps!
Luckily most of the time it is foggy or cloudy or both. Alps are an eye sore. The sea is more beautiful.
Switzerland has the best train network I've had the pleasure to ride, yet tickets are expensive as fuck. Maybe that's why they are so good.
It is. The per capita investment is roughly 450 CHF per year.
Thanks for the review and your visit to Switzerland! I really like the design of the train. The carpet in second class and plug sockets as well as bins at the seat are nice! However, why did they have to choose so hard seats and almost unpadded armrests? I wish SBB would fit their new trains with the same seats as in their eurocity coaches, which are very well padded and have a recline even in second class. I also miss footrests on the airplane style seats in first class and more bike storage. Four spaces just isn't enough in my opinion. And another small thing that bothers me in a lot of trains: why are there no cup holders on the outside of the folding table in the face-to-face seats? I don't always want to fold open the table just to prevent my bottle from sliding away😂
Footrests are superfluous because you can put your feet on the seat facing you.
This train makes Amtrak look like a stage coach
I think that our ZssK here in Slovakia just got 3 units of them
Great video...I assume since it's a short ride they don't sell beer or booze on it?
It is more a matter of train category. The SBB only has dining cars on their InterCity lines, not on their InterRegio or RegioExpress ones.
@@dziltener There are InterRegio services by other train companies that have an option to buy drinks and snacks, though, namely the SOB IR trains "Aare Linth" and "Treno Gottardo" (vending machines that also sell alcohol - age check per ID card, I think).
In some trains it is tolerated to shoot up. The locals call them "Fixerzügli". Ask at the station for the schedule.
😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
As a bike tourist its super handy to see a view of the bike storage, across Europe (and the UK) the options seem to vary from amazing to terrible. The train companies info often isn’t that helpful and they often have no concept of how big a touring bike is. So to see some video is very useful 😀
The UK left the European Union, it hasn't left Europe as it physically could not.
Thank you for an excellent video which gave me a splendid introduction to a type of train I hope to travel on in my next Swiss holiday this April. But a graphic at the beginning regarding fares is misleading. You quote the single fare for 45 kms as 24.20 CHFR. As is always the case on Swiss Public Transport hardly anybody will be paying the full single fare. Regular travelers will have some kind of season ticket ('Abonnement'). Less regular travelers will have a 'Halb-Taxe Abonnement' giving 50% discount. Well-advised tourists will have a Swiss Travel Pass for the duration of their stay entitling them to free travel on all Swiss public transport except purely tourist mountain lines.
You are indeed right......If you are a regular traveler on the Swiss Railway network which is the case for a vast majority of the Swiss people, it is far more economical to have the 50% discount abo without mentioning the discounted fares on top for a given destination if the ticket is booked few days in advance. the Swiss Railway network is certainly one of the best (if not the best) railway network in the world together with the Japanese railway network.
Still 12 CHF for 45km in a regional train is very expensive
@@Fla.3 It is not. Average salary is around CHF 7000.--/month.
Are these what Italy is using on their new regional trains (except no first class)? They look a lot like what I rode in Italy last year.
it's not the same, those double decker trains in Italiy were probably "Caravaggio" made by Hitachi Rail Italy (formerly AlsaldoBreda)
it's not the same, those double decker trains in Italiy were probably "Penne Rigate" made by Pastificio Antonio Pallante S. r. l. (formerly Nonna Maria)
Id give this train a 6/10
Nice video, Switzerland trains are the best in the world
1:54 They look like Ghostbusters.
Had the pleasure to ride them too a few days ago, I'm so happy that the inside isn't yellow anymore like on some other trains arounud Zürich. Why don't you narrate the entire video? I think that would make the videos perfect
They made it yellow before to mask all those piss stains.
Im sure the seats get comfier woth time. You have to think that these ar brand new now. If they'd be used for like a year or more, they will be better.
C'est le même modèle de trains qui circulent en Lomabrdia pour TreNord, ça ne me semble pas si exotique. Commuting trains.
magari
NO beautiful Stadler trains for Italy!
@@adjusted-bunny You should know better, have you ever travel across Lombardia region ? The manufacturers of train are almost quite the same nowadays. Swiss is lucky to have a very few people living there, Italay have 60 millions inhabitants, Lombardia region have over 10 millions people living there, the entire Swiss have less than 9 millions citizens. So, simpler to manage w/out no particular extraordinary skills, I'm afraid.
SUPERBE SUPERBE SUPERBE !!!
Great video! This train is so far ahead of North American quality in my opinion.
Peter
I which there was more variety in the design of trains. It really feels like more and more everything is just becomming Flirt 3 copy - paste.
Why change a winning team? Kisses and Flirts are selling like hot cakes all over Europe! And not particularly Thbault's point that the seats align with the windows!
We have Stadler sets in U.K., but not double deck as our loading gauge is too restrictive. Personally prefer loco hauled sets as they give a much better environment for passengers. Great review as always.
Sorry to hear that you have to live on that terrible island.
Interesting video, they do the same as here in Belgium, where the kind of doubledeck EMU take over most passengertrains😢.
Miss the loc hauling trains.
The seats in this new EMU are quite hard. Where are the comfy chairs like in the orange coloured EUROFIMA cars of the 1980s? Pure nostalgia! They should be the inspiration for the train building companies and not the spartan models of today. But when engineers use every where the same computer models, they become cost reducing formated brains and everyone builds the same stuff. Sad. Cost reducing is one thing, but quality could be realised in the past, why not now?
SHARON USA, Is there a small cafe where you can take snacks back to your seats, like they have here on regional rail lines?
No, there are no cafés on the RABe512.
Regional/commuter trains usually don't have a cafe/restaurant car, including in the US. That said, in some places in the US what you might call "regional" will be considered inter city/long distance in other places so a service like the Amtrak NEC regional where some routs can take almost 8h you're likely to have a cafe car. Switzerland is a small country (about 16,000 sq. mi) so on most trips you won't have one but most IntrCity (IC) and EuroCity (EC)will have one (very good but pretty expensive).
Generally speeking amd depending on the country regional/commuter won't have a cafe car, medium distance might have and long distance/high speed usually has one and in some places tje hiest class will include a meal served tonyour seat.
Will you review The Caltrain KISS when they enter service in 2024?
NO, there will be no review because you are not gonna get our beautiful trains!
@@adjusted-bunny Yea there will keep crying
For a sec I thought this video was about CalTrain's new trains lol
You won't get our beautiful trains!
@@adjusted-bunny Too bad they already got em!
Are there no tables for people in the aisle seats?
Yes SBB has stopped giving aisle seats tables up to the RABDe 503 they had on the 502 they were missing. They were never tables for aisle seats on Stadler trains
No, but you can bring your own.
Are you watching, Dutch Railways #NS?
Compared to the Westbahn Kiss these seem kinda old fashioned almost, even though they are the same trains.
In my honest opinion as someone who has travelled between SH and ZH multiple times, I find these trains to be just a glorified S-Bahn used for long-distance paths. Putting this in comparison to DB’s train that goes from Zürich to Singen on this same route that features leather seats and a nice vending machine and coffee area, I find it a little lackluster
But that DB train goes on to Stuttgart as IC.
The DB's trains are always better - if they arrive, at all.
Ok, the outlets in trains are new in Switzerland, other countries had these years ago..and SBB don't want to offer Wifi (the rest of europe..) :D
Sorry, but let's face it: Switzerland is a 3rd world country. Wifi is totally unknown here.
Thats not a brend new train. We have it in Serbia almost 2 years. We have 3 x Stadler KISS trains and they are in service of high-speed line Belgrade-Novi Sad, 200km/h.
If you want to see the exception to the rule, the SBB Mouette (Flirt IR variety) trains have downright horrible second class seats.
We have these in 🇭🇺
We will repatriate them. Beautiful Stadler trains belong to Switzerland! It is their natural habitat.
Looks like all regional trains in EU is Same....😅 ...i have traveled by train in EU with regional train
You dont get a table if you dont sit next to the window? Hate seats that face each other. Why do that?
Swiss people prefer those seats for commuter trains. we often travel with other people, so we like to face each other and if you are alone more leg space
You can get touchy-touchy with your vis-a-vis. Much better without the table.
Caltrain in California has purchased similar trainsets. Unfortunately, there's no electrified track there yet. There will be though, in some distant future 😜
Well, they started testing on electric power and I think electric passenger service will start this year already.
@@marco23p Don't hold your breath.
He don’t have to after 2024
Dr. Schaffhausen? Dr. Emil Schaffhausen?
Was there a restaurant car on this train?
No. The train is designed for relatively short journeys!
The toilets serve as minibars, as well. Ingenious!
Face to face layouts (80% is the seats?) are fine and airy if the train in
Playing footsie is always nice!
Ironing board seats.
Where do you see them?
40min to travel a distance of 45km and for the price of €25+. 🤔 Nope!!!!!
That is one very pricey commute, even for Switzerland.
Almost nobody pays that though, they have a half fare card (190 per year) that cuts the cost in half. If you take it a lot, you’ll get a monthly or yearly pass for that line and if you ride even more, you can get a general subscription that covers every train / bus / tram / ship.
Nobody is forcing you to buy a ticket. You can ride for free.
common switzerland W
Nice Video but as an German I cant understand your france english😢
Schaffhausen in English is spelled Shaffhouse. Schaffhausen is an improper germanification of an English spelling that exists.
why do now all the trains look the same? hardly any design variation...🙄🙄
The graffiti will get rid of that problem, soon.
The IC2000 and ICN were by far the best, these new trains are meh
Such small toy trains…Pity from India
Sorry, but Switzerland is a 3rd world country and we can't afford the big trains you have.
Американцы отстают от Европы на 10-20 лет в развитии поездов. Даже в России такие поезда уже ходят 7 лет, а в Азербайджане 9 лет.
Too bad they have no kids' area.
Who want's to hear crying kids?!
That accent is pretty hard to decipher.
Really? Are you brain damaged?
I'm Swiss and I really have to say that these trains are rubbish... the comfort of seating etc is very cheap and absolutely not comfy... and unfortunately, this train isn't in use for regional service, but also for national lines like IR35 Bern-Chur (with a distance of 3 hours!!), IR36 Basel-ZH Airport and IR37 Zurich-Basel, and the worst thing about it is the seat capacity, that is much smaller than older trains used!
I think your opinion (which I believe) is a perfect example for the difference between a daily user and someone who takes this train once. The comments about the Intercity New Generation in the Netherlands are great. The daily users are much more critical.
Stimm zue
I agree with you
It all depends on who is ordering the train. The Serbian Stadler KISS trains have really nice seats. 🙂
@@Martin-on2ppnah I took this train so often bec I live between the IR35 line and its a really comfy train I only heard good things about this
@@Martin-on2pp the Netherlands, that came immediately to my mind when reading this
25€ for 45 km in Second Class?? I know Switzerland's expensive but that's too much
Almost nobody pays that though, they have a half fare card (190 per year) that cuts the cost in half. If you take it a lot, you’ll get a monthly or yearly pass for that line and if you ride even more, you can get a general subscription that covers every train / bus / tram / ship.
The graphic at the beginning regarding fares is misleading. He quotes the single fare for 45 kms as 24.20 CHFR. As is always the case on Swiss Public Transport hardly anybody will be paying the full single fare. Regular travelers will have some kind of season ticket ('Abonnement'). Less regular travelers will have a 'Halb-Taxe Abonnement' giving 50% discount. Well-advised tourists will have a Swiss Travel Pass for the duration of their stay entitling them to free travel on all Swiss public transport except purely tourist mountain lines.
Thanks!
Great video. Like me.
Trains from Switzerland to the USA. It’s bad that America can’t make high-quality trains for passengers. But even beautiful trains from Europe are disfigured by terrible train horns!
Why use those terrible train whistles from the 19th century? Trains should be quiet and fast, and all people should know that the railway is a dangerous place.
No proper tables??? Only the window seat gets a table that’s a mistake. What about aisle seats that want to work on their laptops? Dumb. Are there USB ports for every seat?
You can put the laptop onto the knees of your vis-a-vis. Isn't that what neighbors are for?
Goodbye! Adieu!
Every time I watch one of your videos, I'm reminded of how spoiled Americans are. An Amtrak coach seat is at least 30% wider than those first class seats you show and way more plush! (and that's in "coach") All that and a very large seat pitch with a dining car with full meals to boot! We're supposed to get new equipment due to a federal funding bill soon. It will be interesting to see if that new equipment equals the existing 20 plus year old train sets. I suspect they will be more "modern" eg more like those rotten versions of "so-called" seats on aircraft. Time will tell.
Amtrak is long distance with much less frequency you wouldn't compare those two. This is a train operating every 30 minutes, on an 28 miles long track with multiple stops, taking less than 40 minutes. Show me any medium distance commuter train in America sporting a dinning car. Regular long distance train in Europe also have a dining car. A train journey upwards of 90 minutes would be considered long distance in Switzerland.
Big seats and big meals make all the sense of the world for fat Americans.