New CFMOTO 450 MT | Another Budget Adventure Bike First Ride
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- čas přidán 27. 03. 2024
- Chad's been surfing in the Philippines, he also rode the new CFMOTO 450 MT, looks like a decent back to basics budget mini adventure bike. #cfmoto #adventurebike #adventure
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CF Moto seem to be the standout brand amongst the Chinese manufacturers at the moment. Great value - and those wheels; the spokes look like they might be tubeless, which would be a nice touch.
They look like because they are tubeless
@@marcoaguiar3226 A definite plus point - Honda's Transalp for example only has tubed tyres.
Their QJ and Kove will take it amiss.
@@luddite6239until you dent a rim, then you calling for recovery
Confirmed tubless
Some things to note. Euro 5 version of this model is reduced to 2 less hp and torque. Top speed is also limited to 150 km/hr for the european model. The tank guards, the center stand and the alluminium skid plate don't come as standard.
The front mudguard is low not enduro style as well
limited to 150? Not even sure this beast would get to that in "full".
@@Marc99999well I've seen some vids on top speed, and it got pretty good 157-160ish. Not bad
You chose wich One you want@@Neoptolemus
Welcome to my back yard.
"No one seems to know what we're supposed to be doing" sounds real familiar 😂
Have you ridden a T7? How does it compare without too much emphasis on the displacement difference in terms of power?
Dude, that was awesome! I want one.
Thanks for the “off road” review, I am looking forward to doing an “on road” review when I can get my bum on one here in the uk.
Welcome to the Philippines! My fave bike team on CZcams is here!
Perfect video, looking to get one when I move to the Philippines 👍🇵🇭
Chad is taking over my CZcams subscriptions 👏🏼😅
Spain, Philippines, (Tenerife?), hard life ey Chad!
Tenerife?? Not me
Bet you would have nothing against a trip to Lanzarote ;). cheers!@@Chad76Media
must be having a blast in the philippines
Chad living the dream again! 👍
Working hard
Got slipper clutch? How is the gear shifting? Precise, false neutral?
Do you know when this is due in to the UK, all the KTM dealer (Fowlers Bristol)say is end of May
Iiving in the Philippines I'm amazed they brought you there for a test .
I've lost around 6 biker buds through Dogs walking out or a Trike or Jeepney just pulling out in front of them.
Seriously not the place for a test and the other rule is never drive at night as many vehicles don't have lights and youll be up the arse of one before you know it.
I also thought it was weird. Sandy Dusty and hot ashell. And you can't properly test the vehicle there. And sorry to hear about your friends, that's sad.
Retiree living here in the PI as well. You hit the trifecta of my phobias when riding here, lol. Tricycles make me the most paranoid, they can turn any direction on a dime and do so without warning. Jeepneys are the safest, they really only do sudden stops or right turns to let a passenger off, so I just stay on their left. But yep, still a riding phobia list from hell, haha.
Cf Moto,life is cheap 🤫😁
@@scottdonald9256 I'm waiting on the Kove.
I want proper off road.
The MT is dressed to flatter but its basically an excellent road bike.
@@parasinthephilippines sounds like a good choice, I'm going the ktm 890 route myself, and praying for reliability 🤣😭🤣😭
Loving your work Chad! I’ll try a beach intro 😂🤣
Love the Chad
Felling the love
If CF Moto bring that good bike, can't wait to se what new KTM Adventure 390 brings to the game, great video😊😊
More unreliably.
Would this stand up to the British weather if ridden all year round though?? I suspect not, but if so, that is a great cheap commuter.
Finally in the Philippines. Cant wait to buy it
So when does it arrive in the uk ?
They’ve sold out the first batch here in Australia.
$9k aud (same price as the Himalayan) but they will apparently go up by $500 for the next shipment.
They will sell really well here I think.
My second home 🇵🇭 . Pretty much the perfect type of bike there. £50 a month pcp is insane.
Wow that switchgear with the abs button. 😮
Really, that is what you took out of this video? The thing is specced to the brim for a bike in this class, at a crazy good price but the switchgear is what set you off? 😂
Looking forward to seeing this in the UK @ a very attractive price it has little competition should sell well if you can find a dealership. I’ve been considering a Tenere 700 which I appreciate is likely a better bike albeit just as basic however I think the 450 will do what I want and save me 5k or more.
The 450 also has a much shorter seat hight 👍
Very true indeed and a better seat hopefully as the T7 has a narrow plank.
Interesting, worth a test ride at the least.
Had to look up we’re it’s made can’t lie be good for riding in all wet weather we have in as my go to bike is still asleep till summer haha.may look into getting one as in south Devon it about all the roads are fit for
This moto will beat all the concurents in his class 🎉 congrats cf moto 😊
The ground breaking thing about this bike is that it is a small twin cylinder adventure bike with the full 18/21 wheels and 200mm of suspension. It actually looks like a decent sized bike with room for big guys to customize to suit. The benefit of twins is they have a wider rev range, smoother at all revs and less inclined to stall than a single cylinder, which is ideal for a trail / adventure bike. I hope we see more bikes in this category and they can get the weight down to around 170kgs wet without resorting to race bike service intervals. I suspect even the 450 MT could be trimmed of fat and get pretty close to that.
Watch KTM release a 450 Adventure, just like the new 790 is a CF Moto 800. 180kg wet is probably more realistic though.
Yes, but the KTM will be $15,000!
@@edsyphan3425As much as a 890 ADV R?
@burddog0792 I suspect this 450 MT uses the same motor as the 490 adventure that KTM was going to build.
Amen on the wish for 170kg wet. Even 180kg wet would be dreamy for me. Am a retiree living here in the Philippines and a 180kg wet 450MT would be my unicorn bike for riding around Benguet province yet still be able to legally enter the tollways to get in and out of Metro Manila.
Got 1300 km on my. I bought it as a ligter adv bike, for more dirty oriented trips I have the Rally 300.
The gearing is super short, in 6th at 125 ish kmh the engine spins at 7000 (8500 red line). The engine has plenty of power for a taller 5th and 6th gear. Already swapped for 15t up front, it lowered the rpm about 500.
The euro whatever it is now fueling is crap off idle, you have to "ride" around it going slower or on thrails. A good, clean tune is a must.
Skid plate is paper thin.
The exhaust is bit loud for me.
Rest is cool, good quality, comfortable, nice suspension (adjustments actually adjust), all the other small features are nice.
As i don't do highways much, the bike a good choice for me. If u want crunch miles, you will have to be ok with high rpm.
It's a nice package, but I am surprised nobody criticized CF Moto's price strategy. This bike is sold for roughly equivalent to $4300 in China, but they ask for $6400 in US. Overall, 5500 bucks would be a reasonable oversea price considering all other expenses like shipping, custom tax etc
I think the price will be its downfall in the U.S. It looks like a great bike, but price always plays a part.
The US has the lowest import taxes. Don't complain. In Europe, Royal Enfield bikes, for example, are priced at +114% of their domestic market.
@@lefterisbampaidis5446 well, still doesn't explain the $2000 price difference. Like I said, $5500 in US would be a fair price compared with the $4300 Chinese domestic price. Just hate to see the global customers get ripped off by the manufacture due to limited info about its domestic price.
@@daighoul doesn't shipping, setting up a US company, after sales, passing various test, and standards etc.. make up that difference in price.
@@defylifeadventure isn’t it required to do after sales, passing various test, and standards etc in China as well 🤣🤣🤣 I understand shipping and setting up a company part, that’s why I think $1000 price difference should be fair and $2000 is over charged.
…CF moto could be worrying ‘the big four’ manufacturers. Fair play, best of luck as any competition only works in the favour of the buyer.
Great location, good review. CFMOTO seem to be ok for the price and I'm sure they are teamed with KTM on some bikes.
I think it's the same Chinese factory that puts out the parallel twin KTM bikes?
800MT,800NK are equipped with KTM’s 799cc LC8c engine. 1250TR-G(I believe it is not on overseas market) is based on KTM LC8. And some of KTM models are produced by CFMOTO in China. Not long before CFMOTO had announced a cooperation with YAMAHA, but no details yet.
@@websterh530 plus they put money into racing which is a great thing.
27-28 hours Hong Kong to Manila, Manila to somewhere else in the Philippines? 🤔... was your flight via New York? 😅
nice review though 😉
Nice review! I'm from the Philippines and CFMOTO is more reliable than RE I would say.
How would you compare it to other brands like QJ or Benelli?
@@fallinginthed33p I believe QJ owns Benelli so they're both at par with each other. However, I ranked CFMOTO in terms of reliability. Benelli only sells because of their Italian heritage and styling.
Did you previously own a Re.?
@@interstellargod6959 they are very reliable come in india u will see the popularity of re
I'm not saying this in air because in india only those manufacturers exist who have very good reliability record and the main reason behind it is india is a price sensitive market and many people buy motorcycle for commercial purposes which can last long with very low maintenance
Looks good. CFMotos are reliable according to a friend who rode from China to England on one years ago. Tubeless tyres, as well, on this. Why don't the Tranalp and the Suzuki 800 have them? Or my SCR950, for that matter. There will be plenty of these on the roads in Thailand, where I am.
Cf moto has been in Greece for about 10 years with their quads and everyone who has bought them, we're happy with them and didn't have problems with them. The last couple of years they started selling bikes over here and I haven't heard of any major problems, only minor which you should expect from a brand new model. There are some guys here on CZcams that were given last year as a long term test, two 800mt and were told by the dealer to try to break them. They tried, they took them off road following dualsport and off road bikes, dropped them continuously. The bike performed just fine with no problems except one of them which when they got it had a problem with the mapping but it got sorted by the dealer.
@@NickKolythas That's good news.
Is this launch in india?
A parallel twin under 200kg fuelled up is pretty good against the single cylinder bikes in the adventure 400cc segment.
This will be the 1st twin cylinder Dakar Rally bike!
I wanna see who’s the first to build (factory racer?) CF 450 Rally for Dakar?!
anxious like you 2 C this happe... FINALLYYY
Familiar bits and pieces of KTM on there
Getting harder to watch these. Just about to embark on yet another absolute piss wet 5°c ride 😂
Nice 👍 I wish they'd make a Supermoto
KTM 390 Adventure o CFMoto MT450?
I want to see Chris riding this 😁
He’s not as good looking
All good an well but whats the long term reliability like?
This 450 engine may be the most reliable engine of CFMOTO. They really put a lot of effort on it. I believe this engine is a top tier among this class when it comes to reliability.
@@websterh530 Thank you! I admit I do not know much about this company and the first I saw of the company was when I moved to Germany 6 years ago for work. Their ATVs are all over the place here. Where does the company do its engineering and design?
@@shmac96 CFMOTO is a Chinese motorcycle company. Their base is located in Hangzhou, Zhejiang Province. They also have a North America headquarter in Minnesota. And a factory in Mexico(I’m not sure about this). There four-wheel business are mainly for overseas markets. I heard recently their overseas incomes are taking over their domestic numbers.
@@websterh530 Interesting. Thanks for the info! I take it you trust the company enough to buy their products?
Well nobody can answer that given its not even out properly yet. But their quads are pretty good quality from what ive heard
Finally a price 👍 £5699 is a bargain
Yeah but 6k for standing at the side of the road in the rain, I'd rather spend more and get home 😂
@@mark675
That can be almost any bike these days.
Electronics are going to make them all unreliable nightmares after a couple of years.
"Mad Dogs and Englishmen..." ;) Glad you enjoyed testing in Palawan!
As a CRF1000 and a KTM390 Adv owner, I've not looked forward to a UK release since the 390 came to our shores
Yeah quite a few actually:
- tubless?
- wind buffeting?
- top heavy?
- easy to pick up?
- wet weight?
- service intervals?
- warranty?
- cruise control?
- heated grips?
- usb outlets?
Here you go: www.cfmoto.com/global/motorcycles/mult-touring/450mt.html We don't find out everything like service intervals and warranty details, and, as Chad said, he didn't get chance to get it up to speed to he wouldn't know about buffeting. We'll ask Chad to see if he and answer your other questions...
Flying 20 hours on a plane to Philippines, with inflight food options, doing these test rides next to beaches, going for morning and evening swim and then test riding new models while someone else pays for food accommodation, and gas … man, this job must suck.. that’s too much work .
Jk… well earned :)
"test riding new models"... now I wouldn't mind doing that!
It’s not what it seems, Chad works really had, he’s only joking around.
@@BikeWorldTVshow absolutely I was joking (jk) too. Even if he gets all that, he deserves it. Chad is a GOAT and his experience from all these years add so much flavor to the reviews. Top journalists should be well paid and accommodated like any other well paid profession :) they bring value to the motorcycle community . Wish I would have picked that line of profession
@@VicRider713 It's never too late Vic
I would have been on the pooper the whole trip!😅
I still say the 450 engine is the prototype duke engine to replace the 390.
Can’t find a dealer near me anywhere
Looks great for the price, glad to see some affordable stuff.
its always amusing to see a brit in a hot climate.
This bike has a lot of advantages but it's definitely heavy. For the style of riding it's built for, it's too heavy. Also I'd rather pay more for ride by wire and safely features. But for the money it's a CRF 300 Rally killer.
New Himalayan is on the game ,,....
DRIVE IT ONCE A MONTH? REALLY? You sounded not convinced
Very GS Style on a budget
7 inch suspension travel no good where the kove n ktm are around 12" if they could increase the suspension to 10- 11" this bike would be great. 7 inches its a little bmw gs meant for the occasional dirt road
The Royal Enfield 450 should have made the engine like this and it would be perfect .
shame is too heavy, similar to t7, with half of hp
I'd love to see Chris give it some death around Wales 👍🏻👍🏻
To me….this is what the new KLR should have been
the only thing thats worring at the moment is dealer support wich I`ve heard is pretty bad...that should get better, its a process I guess
We have asked about dealer network in the UK, they have about 30 with plans for that to double.
That's down to the importer to get their finger out and set it up. There is no excuse. I live in the Czech Republic and the CFMoto importer here (Journeyman) is brilliant. They have set up a great dealer network and are the number one supplier of quads in Czech and Slovakia. The two wheel bike dealer network is growing at a pace. They have a good stock of spares and offer a five year warranty on all the bikes.
I have 5 CF Moto dealers in the city where I live in Mexico...crazy!
New himilayan or this?
Himalayan, at least that won't disintegrate in 6 months. (or even better, get 1st gen KLR)
@alloutlife88 only a yank would say that. 😂
Looking at owner reviews on CF Moto and RE and CF come out more favourable in reliability than RE. Also Yamaha part own the business, KTM is CF Moto and nearly everything you own in the west is made in china so I don't get peoples logic . Unless it's just pure narrow mindedness.
@@alrightdave6135im from slovakia
@@mikealls8938I bet you never owned or even saw a cfmoto IRL.
Did anybody use the 6th gear? 😑
Just
some greek dude took it to 170kmh
Hi I liked your review of Cfmoto MT 450.I think Chinese motorcycles are improving it's quality and performance to match with Japanese motorcycles
If it's fun, then that's all we need
£50 a month! thats mad! sign me up
He tenido motos trial, trail y maxitrail desde hace 45 años. La CFMoto MT 450, en mi opinión posee potencia suficiente para casi todo, buen equipamiento de serie, larga autonomía, capacidad de carga viajera, carenados austeros pero suficientes, actualizaciones de software vía app de móvil, ABS y DSC desconectables, tubeless, filtro de aire fácilmente accesible, buena ergonomía, manetas regulables, pantalla ajustable, tomas de energía, escape alto, capacidad de carga, subchasis desmontable, estriberas, cambio, y espejos retráctiles, suspensiones largas solventes y adecuadas para uso mixto, electrónica comedida, altura de asiento polivalente desde solo 80 a 87 centímetros, distancia libre al suelo, solo 2 o 3 centímetros menos que las más caras motos referencias del maxitrail y sobre el papel buenos materiales y acabados. A mí personalmente, por mi uso predominantemente asfáltico, me gustaría con opción a llantas de aleación, pero es casi perfecta. En mi opinión, esta CFMoto 450 MT es, ¡por fin!, como aquellas austeras y fiables Dominator, XTs, DRs, VStrom, KLEs, DRZs, Pegaso, Africa Twin, GS650s de los 80s-90s pero inyectada, modernizada, equipada, con gran autonomía, cómoda y bicilíndrica. (¿Unicornio?). No hay una sola moto en el mercado con esas características de serie. Que yo sepa, tampoco hay motos que, aun costando más de 20.000 euros, tras dotarlas de similares características que esta CFMoto MT, que no pesen algo vestidas, habitables y equipada 220-280 kilos.
Solo le falta ofrecer Quickshifter y color verde que me encanta para moto trail. 🙏😊 Incluso los japoneses, tendrían que tomar ejemplo en cuanto a diseño y equipamiento de serie. Habrá que esperar a ver su fiabilidad, intervalos de mantenimiento y precio. Estas nuevas motos chinas, tienen actualmente una relación calidad precio muchísimo mejor que las japonesas. Esta CFMoto 450 es lo que podía haber sido la ansiada y abortada KTM 490 Adventure presuntamente fabricada en India por Bajaj, que asoma la patita en otra ventanilla asiática del también socio colaborador de KTM CFMoto. Con la marca austriaca, probablemente, hubiese salido con algún caballo más y algún kilo de menos. Hay muchísima expectación en Iberoamérica, Asia y Europa sobre esta CFMoto 450 MT.
Creo que solo la KTM 390 Adventure, la Honda CB500X y la RE Himalayan II, están a la altura, aunque con distintos enfoques. No son motos endureras sino traileras asfálticas con algunas posibilidades camperas. Con algo de dinero se pueden camperizar, pero en mi opinión, siguen siendo motos muy pesadas para los estándares del off road duro. En general, no somos Pol Tarrés ni tenemos sus repuestos y asistencias. 😅 Trail duro o enduro ligero y poco más fuera de lo negro.
Aunque muy contento tras 20.000 kms con mi 390 Adv, la altura excesiva del asiento, a 85.5 centímetros del suelo, a veces se me hace incómoda e incluso peligrosa. Los chinos lo están haciendo muy bien en estas categorías, cubriendo nichos de mercado a precios razonables. El peso excesivo de las maxitrail, nos amarga el uso utilitario, la ruta, la salida, el aparcamiento o el alzamiento de la moto del suelo cuando cae, y es por esto y las restricciones e imposiciones globalistas y agendatarias que, en Occidente, estas comedidas cilindradas se están convirtiendo en maxiventas y motos lógicas para los que van y para los que volvemos. Me encanta esa 450 MT y estaré atento a su evolución a lo largo del próximo año.
Saludos desde España. ✌
can;t believe you give such high praise to 450mt. im very happy cause of im chinese
Totalmente de acuerdo, CF Moto lo está haciendo muy bien en México también, esta parece ser la moto definitiva ( o al menos muy pero muy cercana a serlo), solo queda esperar a ver su fiabilidad.
Amigo comienzo a creer que alguien te está pagando por postear este comentario en todos lados. Cómo cuántas veces has copiado y pegado?
450cc should be less than 400lbs WET. This bike is too heavy for its engine.
i think its a holiday
Unconventional is good.
7500 euro in Ireland . Similar price to the Himalyan.
They are close on price
6.000 to 6.500€ for the rest of Europe. Good job Ireland, milking people.
@@lefterisbampaidis5446 It's ridiculous here. We are being ripped off with everything.
I didn't know we were supporting China.
its capitalism, we support money...there is nothing else
I think with only having 450cc Id rather have a thumper that is simpler, lighter, and potentially more economical. That being said as a cheap throwaround ADV this looks more offroad focused than something like a KTM 390
The new 390 is already been spotted testing in India
You can look at it pictures online
Baby tenere
I mean it looks like an afterthought.
The bike on the whole, what do you mean?
Chad?
Looks big and heavy for a 450.
Compared to what?
In reference to what? A dirt bike? An Enduro? I'm just wondering. This is a full size adventure bike that's a 450 and offers a big value. Should be about 425 lb wet, which is 27 lb lighter than a T7. I think they did good to have the weight where it's at. That KTM that's supposedly in the works maybe more up your alley. But I'm sure it will cost thousands more. I'm actually crossing my fingers on that one. I won't be buying another motorcycle till spring next year, so if KTM comes out by then, I will have some choices on my hand s
Official claimed weight is 190kg wet, but a couple of early reviewers who were at El Nido say it's close to 200kg wet. I hope when full reviews with weigh-ins are done it turns out lighter.
@@MrTmax74 shame its not lighter.
Japanese manufacturers better watch out. Real value for money from the Chinese.
175 dry weight??😂 Drz400 130kg
Chinese shit, test it in the UK for a full year and and it wont last 6 months especially with the weather we had since last November.
If you don't know what you are talking about, just don't say anything.
@@MotoSlyHow many cfmotos have you owned so far?
He does cus he's absolutely right! 😂 @MotoSly
Coming from a guy in the UK lol. It's a well-known fact here in America that the traditionally designed and built British cars and motorcycles were some of the most unreliable vehicles around. Of course, things change, but my point stands. ,😉. Triumph is now highly reliable and quite refined. And Chinese products have continued to get better. What do you say we wait to see what we get before we judge this bike by its cover?
@@alloutlife88 here in Indonesia I had KTM 390 ( India made ) , Royal Enfield , Almost all Japanese bike 150-250cc . And I have CF Moto . CF Moto is very reliable compare to Indian made bike. But the parts is expensive
190kgs and only 40 HP…..☹️
why did you start the video with a whole minute of irrelevant footage of a bald old guy on a beach, people wanna see the bike
Because he's one of our presenters, if you don't subscribe to us you won't know. No need to be rude though, Chad's not old! 🤣
@@BikeWorldTVshow sorry for that, i just had a scare i thought i stumbled upon some kinda onlyfans video at first
@@LiviuXSA Now that's an idea! 🤣
😂😂😂😂😂 love the Chad
You should mention that it steel wheels not aluminum wich adds a lot of unsprung weight
Too much plastic, not enough character, Royal Enfield 450, the way to go. Good to have options, but no thank you. The dirt turn where all these bikes were struggling, RE 450 will eat it for breakfast is my honest opinion.
Which one do you think is better Himalayan 450 or Cfmoto 450Mt ?
If you are in touring then CF moto but if you are going off-road alot then Himalayan 450
@hdslytro387 hima 450 for me. CF moto need to be tested thoroughly to understand its reliability. Then again I love the looks of Himalayan better than 450 mt.
I live in india and I own himmy 450 hanle black as well
@@hdslytro387 Great. How did the bike perform? Faced any major issues?
Not in mine but there is a issue of faulty sparkplug which result in missfire but it has been fixed as far as I know.
i dont know why philippines are celebrating this chinese bike few days back chinese bullied philippines ship throwing water canons at them and they do it every now and then , still philippines celebrating this chinese bikes
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