Excellent review as always. The feeling of lighter weight comes from the height of the center of gravity. The T7 is known to have this center a bit too high, hence the sensation of weight, particularly in low speed and worst when you have to get it up after a fall. It's simple physics the effort to make is the weight multiplied by the distance between the center of gravity and the pivoting point, in our case the the tires. On a ordinary bike there is little difference in strength and durability between a cast piece and a CNC one except if you go for very expensive high strength alloys, but that's for competition or aeronautics. But the difference of price is consequent in high series fabrication when you can amortize the cost of the tooling and molds. With metal molds with pressure injected alloy you can make very complex pieces without porosity flaws or voids at very good prices and most important in seconds. That's impossible to make in CNC at a decent price. So all depends on the quality of the alloy, happily there are plenty of rather cheap but strong and durable alloys for pressure injected casts. And for export bikes I'm almost sure that CFMoto is not using salvaged beer cans. After all they are making bikes for KTM and now Yamaha in a new joint venture, they know their job. The price of the 450 MT is not obtained by stupid savings on the materials but by using industrial capacities and the will of keep the margins decent for a very wide market as they want to sell it in big numbers in the whole world from Europe to Asia and Latin America, like Voge did with the 300 Rally. In fact like did the Japanese a long time ago. The contrary of several brands which are using the luxury market approach to maximize the profits. I have seen in an Australian video that CFMoto has made an ECU update to solve the inconvenient throttle. Ask your dealer if that's available in Europe. Another fix I've seen is to tune the slack of the cable to reduce it to the very minimum. The lateral slack is also another factor. For the lateral slack in the throttle a washer of appropriate thickness cut in a flat piece of nylon or high density polyethylene will do the job. Easy to make DIY with very simple tools. The first gear is very low at only 60 kmh at probably 9500 to 10000 RPM, that"s only 8 kmh at idle 1300 RPM, and a top speed of 150 kmh probably at 8500 RPM with 6 speeds. The engine is very round, plenty of torque from the low RPM. I would try a 15 teeth sprocket, it's just 7 % more. If it's good I would go to around 10 % and for that I would change the rear sprocket keeping the original front 14 teeth. I doubt that will have an adverse effect on adventure off road but will improve the cruising speed on asphalt. I think that this too short de-multiplication is for helping the total beginners struggling between the throttle and the clutch in the middle of the asphalt jungle and a white dirt road. We all have been beginners...
Good information. I would have point out that we can't keep applauding manufacturers for putting too low of 6th gear ratios on modern high powered motorcycles---bikes designed to be driven at highway speeds for long distances. We need to demand an overdrive 6th gear. The 1932 Henderson motorcycle had 53hp and a tall overdrive gear, making it a better long distance tourer than today's bikes 92 years later. I am deeply concerned with how professional motorcycle reviewers constantly avoid talking about gear ratios, when gear ratios are the single most important thing for a long distance ADV bike. Every road bike sold for public roadways should be legally required to have an overdrive 6th gear. No exceptions. Only collusion with oil companies and a strange secret handshake can explain why every single motorcycle except Harley Davidson, is geared incorrectly (way too low).
@@starseeddeluxe I agree with you in principle, but it is not so much whether geared high or low (that can be changed with sprockets), it is the spread of gears that is important. Adventure bikes, much like the old six day enduros really benefit from a wide ratio gearbox. However, there are limits to what the manufacturers can offer when they use the same engine for multiple models. Unfortunately for the 450, which I like a lot, the spread is not very wide. In value terms it is 282% different between 1st and 6th, compared to say the T7 at 295% and KTM 790 (and presumably 890) at 298%. Many riders may not notice because the engine is a twin and very flexible, and the higher revving nature of the engine will make this of less importance. What might be noticeable is where the 450 has a large gap of 42% between 1st and second gear, a problem shared with the KTM 790. So it may feel like you cant quite find the right gear while riding in tighter trails offroad. The T7 by comparison is 34% and feels about right.
It looks like the gas tank uses the same design idea that Aprilia uses - the tank extends downward and beneath the seat and the airbox is located in front of it at the top. Could be wrong.
Interestingly, think a lot of experienced riders are going to buy this bike as well as the new to biking. This bike has something for everyone without the need to spend a fortune like with the other manufacturers. I’ve been riding over 40 years and am going to order one.
I have been riding a motorcycle since 1989 and have now got myself a 450mt. A great motorcycle, cheap to buy and maintain and at 56 I am no longer in a hurry
Experienced riders know that weight is your enemy offroad. If you plan on doing anything other than fire/gravel roads, a lighter bike with a more manageable motor is exactly what you want.
@@rstrakovskyI agree! weight reduction when off road riding is so important ! Been riding for over 50 years and sold my 1000cc heavyweight adventure bikes. Mid capacity lower weight 450s like the CF Moto make more sense and riding more enjoyable 👍
Thank you for this amazing review! It will be amazing to see all the new content about this bike in your channel! You are my favourite channel reviewing off road bikes :D
I really appreciate how you started with the " meat and potatoes " answering the questions about how the motorcycle rides and handles before going into the electronics and control features. IMO this is the better way to conduct a review. Enjoyed your review 👍
Thanks for the feedback man! I know what you mean..and with so many reviews about this bike already, i really just wanted to focus on the personal opinions 😊
The best thing about this upload is that Diogo is NOT making a review that looks more like propaganda. I expect in rhe near future a video telling us how reliable was this particular model. CFMoto hit the strings perfectly giving customers an engine size and chassis that many of us were screaming from japanese brands and we were, sadly ,never heard. Hope this is a lessson learned for those brands. GOOD JOB DIOGO!!!
Stock motorcycles are so rare they are worth a fortune. There's nothing better than a completely original motorcycle with the correct rear fender and license plate mounts and an original muffler and air box.
Major engine components are cast on all motorcycles . Machined parts are way too expensive for mass production if a cast alternative is available. Some castings may look machined but won't be. Die casting can take less than a minute. CNC machining of the same part can take hours and use 20x the material
I had the opportunity to go over the bike last month. I too got T7 vibes. I was shocked how much heavier it felt than my fully farkled 390 Adventure. You forgot to enntion how good to sounds with the stock pipe! - Frank
Muchas gracias Diogo para tu video. Como tu pienso que es la moto (de aventurer)mas practica desde mucho tiempo y la moto que mucho gente espéra! Hasta pronto! Christophe.
I like this bike very much! I’m waiting for a bit later his year (Around my birthday) and some more long term reviews to pull the trigger on it. It sounds like a great first bike for the price and to start learning about adventure and off road driving
Great review. I love the little funny scenes 😂👍🏼 Looking forward to more great videos with this great bike that known manufacturers didn’t want to build.
Good first opinion and discussion for whom this bike is.I think that if you use it for 2 years the way you used your Yamaha it will have proven itself for most riders.As you rightly say most riders will not need an expensive,,100 %,,bike and 80 % will be more that enough.I hope it will be a huge succes for the manufacturer and that the Japanese hurry to bring out some affordable similar bike.I am impressed with the stuff you get for little more than the crf 300 costs😊
I really just ove the vibe of his videos, I don't even have a motorbike (even though I'm thinking about buying one (thinking for many years xD ) ) and I see all his videos. Esta é efetivamente uma mota que me faz pensar em comprar mais cedo do que tarde
Fogo...nao imaginas como fico feliz de ver que até malta sem moto gosta dos meus videos! Acho quase impossivel, porque quase so falo de pormenores técnicos 😅
Been riding for over 30 years, currently have a BMW f750gs te and a suzuki GSXR K1 1000, I have bought this to TET and specifically to off road it. Can't wait for mine to come down
What a great honest review and I love your style with good English. This bike is on my list , I just hope they can quickly import enough to the UK - listen up CF Moto please , finding one at the moment is not easy , just to go and look at initially .
What might help with the jerky throttle is something called a booster plug (or many of the cheaper and smarter made versions that you can find through google) . It's a modified air intake sensor that fakes the engine into thinking it's 20 degrees colder outside than it is in reality, thereby giving a richer fuel/air mixture. It will be overrun after a few seconds by all other sensor, but it will effective in the first few seconds after changing the throttle position. It made my 2018 Africa twin a whole lot smoother and a lot less engine braking.
"... chose not to see" - well said. Manufacturers like Honda, Yamaha, BMW, KTM - all of them basically ignored our pleas for a LIGHT adventure bike, pref in the 160-170kg range, with big tank, small 400-500CC twin. CFMoto delivered where all others failed - this motorbike is already a classic, it is to the adventure motorcycle industry what the iPhone 1 was to the phone industry.
Thanks Diogo. Great review as always. Hope your insights play out and I'm excited to get my hands on one here in the US. As to the snatchy throttle, I had the same experience with my KTM 990 and added a G2 "Throttle Tamer." Things improved instantly. Not sure if they are still being made or if they might eventually work on the IBEX, but hopeful. I also agree completely that the majority of people will have a better "adventure" experience on a more approachable bike. While I love the bigger bikes in "tight conditions", I spent years getting comfortable on them in that kind of riding and those were years I could have spent developing more advanced skills and exploring more places. Cheers!
thank you for a fantastic review. you addressed my one concern about this otherwise seemingly excellent bike, the twitchy throttle. I don't mind the clutch but it can get annoying off road. good to know however it can be fixed with a remap. it is seeming more and more likely I will have to part with the saving for this very soon.
I love your videos Diogo. I own a T7 world raid and have had a CRF300Rally and many other off road bikes. I recently rode my friends the 450MT on gravel trails . Everything you have said in this video is accurate and good advice in my opinion. Keep up the great work. I hope to come and ride with you one day when I travel over from Oz.
Best review 👌Diogo did he’s homework very well, touched the important points, I really liked the conclusion that this bike is for the humble rider, very good analysis. Hope that in the next videos there will be a comparison with the CRF300 Rally and/or AJP bike 😉
Mine is coming mid July, I am really glad you like it because I respect your judgement, I will put a 15t front sprocket on to relax the gearing a bit, other than that I will leave it stock as it already comes with most things I would normally add.
13:28 this sums up why I'm gonna get this lol. My main bike is a tracer 9 GT for Onroad and this will be my toy to try out on offroad adventures. Maybe I'll decide to sell everything and upgrade to a AT. If not then at least it's a fun and cheap toy to play with.
You are an absolute legend, so far your reviews on the CFMoto 450MT are the best I have found! OBRIGADO! Is there an option in Europe to get it with the off-road high front fender? All videos I have seen in Asia have the off-road front fender which makes much more sense for this bike. Would love to hear an in-depth analysis on the KYB suspensions, most people that have used the 450MT say that the OEM suspension settings are too stiff and that you need to take some time to find the right setting for your weight/usage (hard enduro>offroad>street). I am mentioning this because most of the "big boy" ADVs out there have suspensions that are not capable of handling their weight when you throw them in difficult situations so they bottom-out quite often when doing jumps. In my opinion this bike will appeal not only to beginners but even to the more experienced HUMBLE riders that have mammoths like the KTM 890 ADV, BMW 900 GS, Ducati Desert X, Suzuki V Strom 800DE etc.; because like you said my friend, sometimes less is more! Some of the experienced older riders out there are tired of breaking their backs every time their bike lays down or having to tip-toe on a giraffe when at low speed in traffic. I genuinely believe that CFMoto have created the mid-weight ADV unicorn by listening to what the users were asking for. Never thought these words would come out of my mouth regarding a motorbike made in China, it seems like this marks the beginning of a new era. BYD has basically done the same in the EV car segment (not that I would ever buy one don't worry hehe).
Hello! Thanks for you words, man :D Yeah I found the suspension too stiff at first (i weight 75kg + gear) and only after tunning down the preload the bike became "plush". The suspension is remarkable but it feels like a "short blanket"...when you cover your head, your feet will be uncovered xD So, if I tune it to be comfortable on the small and slow stuff, it becomes a bit too soft for big rocks at high speed, and vice versa. I am still playing with it and each day I seem to be closer to a setting that really satisfies me...so i still have hope :P For now I cant tell you anything else cause i dont know
Excellent content, as always. As a retired adv rider I still like to follow the news on new adv oriented motor cycles. I would like to have your opinion on the new Royal Enfield 450 Himalayan :)
One happy Diogo 💪🏻😜 Why don’t more dual sport bikes consider engines like this, it’s a mystery to me, amazing sound and smoothness instead of an LC4 that sounds like all the wheels and bolts are rattling loose around when you ride it. See you in October my friend 🏍️💨
Exactly! Would it be so hard to put this engine on a KTM690-like frame? Of course instead of 150kg you'd get 160 or 165kg but I could definitely live with that! (I mean... i can live with 195 so... xD)
I don't think CNC is ever used for engine casings excepting maybe some blingy custom thing. Mainly after market triple clamps, hubs, some brake calipers - things like that. Could be they're using a rougher casting technique, or the paint has a texture.
Both CNC machining and Investment casting (an industrial process based on lost-wax casting, one of the oldest known metal-forming techniques) are known for their precision and accuracy, ensuring quality and consistent product output, but when it comes down to manufacturing of highly complex and intricate parts investment casting wins hands down.
This can be good off-road bike. No more power needed. But most of bike owners (99%?😂) are frighten to death to go out of paved road. And on road 450cc engin is just way too weak. It's not about speed but flexibility. You have to shift gears every second.
Nice video,thank's for the info.I own one and am thankful that I bought it,and look forward to learning about it because you seem to know more about adventure bikes and setup's for them.I noticed that yours has the back suspension on the lowest point,mine is on the other one,and I am 178 cm tall,and around 79,80 kg I think I wil lower it,because nou as it is I can only touch the ground with half of mi fot ,to the tip,not flat foot it.If I lower it,do I need to lower the front suspension or can I leave it and check how it feels just with the back lower,and see how it banances first... Also is it hard to lower the suspension,can I do it on my own ,I have a garage with tools and a stand,so I think I can do it on my own
I am trying mine with the lower back and "normal" front. I like the stability of the bike in this setup, but i will also try the normal back soon (because i didnt give it a propwr chance). Adjusting the suspension is suuuuper important in this bike, as it feels too rough/stiff with the stock setup. Lowerin the bike is not very hard, but you need to put the bike on a stand with the rear wheel off the ground. You can do it alone but its easier with a friend to move the wheel up and down while you remove/put the bolts that hold the parts together. I might do a video about that too
@@OFFroadOFFcoursethank's for the reply and for the advice.If I don't manage to lower it before your video I will sourly watch it to know better what I have to do.Also I am thinking of changing the tail tydi for a lighter one
Casting, if done properly, is superior to machined parts: the casting process means the molecular grain of the metal conforms to the shape of the part. But machined parts look 'trick'.
@@OFFroadOFFcourse There’s a difference between being gentle and squeezing the throttle. Squeezing overcomes the fuelling issues , I have a Versys 650 , squeezing eliminates the surging on off events
Hello! I think there is a "real" difference. They both work well. If you use very knobby tires and ride on a lot of mud, maybe the low one will become cluttered and that will be a problem.
Naaah, i dont think so. People crash my CRFs 572 times a day and they only survive cause they have almost nothing to break... the 450MT on the other hand would look like a pretzel after 1 week 😂😂
If i could buy a 890 for this price, i would. The reason why i didnt try to buy a KTM is: A) a bit too much money for what i want to spend B) WAY too much money for the perceived reliability To spend that kind of money i would want a bomb proof bike that lasts 30 years 😂
Thats a good question... I have been asking the same question for years. Maybe this bike will be the first where I will do an intense study on this matter.
O DRAMA, O HORROR....SACRILEGEO!!!!! Um youtuber portugues a comparar a chinoca a uma T7🤦♂🤦♂felizmente muitos nao percebem ingles e não sabem meter as legendas, se não vai cair o ceu e a trindade!!!!! Mas como á disse em muitos sitios se eles experimentarem a moto vão chegar a estas mesma conclusoes🤷♂🤷♂ Excelente video✌✌
@@OFFroadOFFcourse cada vez mais me convenso, pelo menos esses "motovlogueres" criticaram mesmo antes de sentar o rabo nela , mesmo com o propósito de ter muitos comentários 🤦🏼🤦🏼🤦🏼
Really interesting:) What I don't like is the cockpit. I don't know why but I can't have a cockpit that doesn't tilt when I steer :D make it 5-10kg lighter and it's perfect. Do you think it might be a fitting replacement when my drz eventually dies ?
Hello! It will feel like a whale compared to a drz 😂 One is 125kg, the other is 195 😮 Think of this like a slightly smaller big adv bike, not like a twin cilinder dual-sport 😅
Hi, I have a question. I have seen people changing the front sprocket to 15t. What is your opinion on that? Would you do it? I am interested if it makes sense and curious how much "power"/"acceleration " will it lose. It would make sense to change it just to make it really all round bike but scared off loosing noticable power while offroad.
I didnt try it yet so i dont have a REAL answer. What i know is that the 15t will drop 600rpm in 6th gear and although that is nice, i dont think it will transform the bike. I guess it makes sense only if you will spend a lot of time on highways. Loosing acceleration offroad could be a concern, but on the other hand it could mean that lower gears are even more usable (staying in 3rd instead of 4th, for instsnce), so maybe it isnt that bad. I will definitely try one of these days. Its a rather cheap test :)
Thank you very much for this review. Initially I felt it was too heavy for the power but maybe it’s just right. Just one question: how easy is it to replace the air filter? Cheers!
Yeah I feel the same but it’s cheaper that the CB500X (or whatever is called now). Specs and features are good for the price… Yeah you lose some of that honda reliability and dealer network but once again, better specs and lower price. I don’t know it’s the right bike for me but the seat is low and it looks like a decent attempt… for the price. The next step is to wait for the new KTM 390 adventure to finally drop. Im excited about it and hope it’s not a downer. Let’s wait and see how it goes!
Only you can answer that man, sorry. The 450mt will feel lighter and easier, the 800gs will be much more road-worthy. It depends on what your goals, skills and surroundings look like :)
Excellent review as always.
The feeling of lighter weight comes from the height of the center of gravity. The T7 is known to have this center a bit too high, hence the sensation of weight, particularly in low speed and worst when you have to get it up after a fall. It's simple physics the effort to make is the weight multiplied by the distance between the center of gravity and the pivoting point, in our case the the tires.
On a ordinary bike there is little difference in strength and durability between a cast piece and a CNC one except if you go for very expensive high strength alloys, but that's for competition or aeronautics.
But the difference of price is consequent in high series fabrication when you can amortize the cost of the tooling and molds. With metal molds with pressure injected alloy you can make very complex pieces without porosity flaws or voids at very good prices and most important in seconds. That's impossible to make in CNC at a decent price. So all depends on the quality of the alloy, happily there are plenty of rather cheap but strong and durable alloys for pressure injected casts.
And for export bikes I'm almost sure that CFMoto is not using salvaged beer cans. After all they are making bikes for KTM and now Yamaha in a new joint venture, they know their job.
The price of the 450 MT is not obtained by stupid savings on the materials but by using industrial capacities and the will of keep the margins decent for a very wide market as they want to sell it in big numbers in the whole world from Europe to Asia and Latin America, like Voge did with the 300 Rally. In fact like did the Japanese a long time ago. The contrary of several brands which are using the luxury market approach to maximize the profits.
I have seen in an Australian video that CFMoto has made an ECU update to solve the inconvenient throttle. Ask your dealer if that's available in Europe. Another fix I've seen is to tune the slack of the cable to reduce it to the very minimum. The lateral slack is also another factor.
For the lateral slack in the throttle a washer of appropriate thickness cut in a flat piece of nylon or high density polyethylene will do the job. Easy to make DIY with very simple tools.
The first gear is very low at only 60 kmh at probably 9500 to 10000 RPM, that"s only 8 kmh at idle 1300 RPM, and a top speed of 150 kmh probably at 8500 RPM with 6 speeds. The engine is very round, plenty of torque from the low RPM. I would try a 15 teeth sprocket, it's just 7 % more. If it's good I would go to around 10 % and for that I would change the rear sprocket keeping the original front 14 teeth. I doubt that will have an adverse effect on adventure off road but will improve the cruising speed on asphalt. I think that this too short de-multiplication is for helping the total beginners struggling between the throttle and the clutch in the middle of the asphalt jungle and a white dirt road. We all have been beginners...
This comment is as useful (if not more) than my review! I am going to pin at the top...again 😂😂
Thanks again Pablo!
Good information. I would have point out that we can't keep applauding manufacturers for putting too low of 6th gear ratios on modern high powered motorcycles---bikes designed to be driven at highway speeds for long distances.
We need to demand an overdrive 6th gear. The 1932 Henderson motorcycle had 53hp and a tall overdrive gear, making it a better long distance tourer than today's bikes 92 years later.
I am deeply concerned with how professional motorcycle reviewers constantly avoid talking about gear ratios, when gear ratios are the single most important thing for a long distance ADV bike.
Every road bike sold for public roadways should be legally required to have an overdrive 6th gear. No exceptions. Only collusion with oil companies and a strange secret handshake can explain why every single motorcycle except Harley Davidson, is geared incorrectly (way too low).
@@starseeddeluxe I agree with you in principle, but it is not so much whether geared high or low (that can be changed with sprockets), it is the spread of gears that is important. Adventure bikes, much like the old six day enduros really benefit from a wide ratio gearbox. However, there are limits to what the manufacturers can offer when they use the same engine for multiple models. Unfortunately for the 450, which I like a lot, the spread is not very wide. In value terms it is 282% different between 1st and 6th, compared to say the T7 at 295% and KTM 790 (and presumably 890) at 298%. Many riders may not notice because the engine is a twin and very flexible, and the higher revving nature of the engine will make this of less importance.
What might be noticeable is where the 450 has a large gap of 42% between 1st and second gear, a problem shared with the KTM 790. So it may feel like you cant quite find the right gear while riding in tighter trails offroad. The T7 by comparison is 34% and feels about right.
Hey Pablo - can you link your (australian) vids or channels you follow re the CFM ? Thx !! *cheers*
It looks like the gas tank uses the same design idea that Aprilia uses - the tank extends downward and beneath the seat and the airbox is located in front of it at the top. Could be wrong.
Interestingly, think a lot of experienced riders are going to buy this bike as well as the new to biking. This bike has something for everyone without the need to spend a fortune like with the other manufacturers. I’ve been riding over 40 years and am going to order one.
I have been riding a motorcycle since 1989 and have now got myself a 450mt. A great motorcycle, cheap to buy and maintain and at 56 I am no longer in a hurry
Sound good, gents. I've been riding on roads and would do the same: getting a 'beginner ADV' and have fun everywhere.
Experienced riders know that weight is your enemy offroad. If you plan on doing anything other than fire/gravel roads, a lighter bike with a more manageable motor is exactly what you want.
Yeah, just gravel/dirt roads that lead to camp sites.
@@rstrakovskyI agree! weight reduction when off road riding is so important ! Been riding for over 50 years and sold my 1000cc heavyweight adventure bikes. Mid capacity lower weight 450s like the CF Moto make more sense and riding more enjoyable 👍
I laughed more than i should have at the foil hat joke. Nice job on a great review.
Same here 😂
foil hat😂😂😂😂 very good reviews tq bro
Intelligent description of this bike and what better than coming from an owner and not just some random youtuber
Thank you for this amazing review! It will be amazing to see all the new content about this bike in your channel! You are my favourite channel reviewing off road bikes :D
Perhaps the best review about this bike? Simple, straight to the point with actual real and practical points of view. Great job! 💯👍👍
I really appreciate how you started with the " meat and potatoes " answering the questions about how the motorcycle rides and handles before going into the electronics and control features. IMO this is the better way to conduct a review. Enjoyed your review 👍
Thanks for the feedback man! I know what you mean..and with so many reviews about this bike already, i really just wanted to focus on the personal opinions 😊
Best review ive seen so far of the 450 mt! Thank you!
The best thing about this upload is that Diogo is NOT making a review that looks more like propaganda. I expect in rhe near future a video telling us how reliable was this particular model. CFMoto hit the strings perfectly giving customers an engine size and chassis that many of us were screaming from japanese brands and we were, sadly ,never heard.
Hope this is a lessson learned for those brands.
GOOD JOB DIOGO!!!
Stock motorcycles are so rare they are worth a fortune. There's nothing better than a completely original motorcycle with the correct rear fender and license plate mounts and an original muffler and air box.
Major engine components are cast on all motorcycles . Machined parts are way too expensive for mass production if a cast alternative is available.
Some castings may look machined but won't be.
Die casting can take less than a minute. CNC machining of the same part can take hours and use 20x the material
I had the opportunity to go over the bike last month. I too got T7 vibes. I was shocked how much heavier it felt than my fully farkled 390 Adventure.
You forgot to enntion how good to sounds with the stock pipe! - Frank
Loved it, well done! Great review and humor
Thank you for the comprehensive review! I have a CFMoto dealership about 10 minutes from my house, and can't wait to view one in person.
glad you love it. tuning in for more 450mt video.
I really like how honest your opinions are. Saying things as they are. Thanks!
Making offroad great again! 😂😂
Best rewiev for the ones who want to buy MT450, thanks OFFroad-OFFcourse.
Muchas gracias Diogo para tu video.
Como tu pienso que es la moto (de aventurer)mas practica
desde mucho tiempo y la moto que mucho gente espéra! Hasta pronto!
Christophe.
Not seen your reviews before but i’m very impressed with you presentation and will watch more…….great stuff !
thanks man! i appreciate it! :D
Great video! I hope you will be able to compare it to the new Himalayan 450. That’s 2 bikes, which I’m currently looking at.
Thanks for the revieuw. This the baby Ténére that we where waiting for 🤫🤭
very nice try and comments, thank you very much !
I like this bike very much! I’m waiting for a bit later his year (Around my birthday) and some more long term reviews to pull the trigger on it. It sounds like a great first bike for the price and to start learning about adventure and off road driving
Cool. Happy to see you back (making longer vids)
its a beauty - enjoy
Excellent review thanks!
Grandissimo, bellissima recensione
Great review! Thank you!
FINALLY somebody speaks about the negatives
I tried to be fair, but to be honest I still didnt see a lot of negatives :/
Down to earth and practical review. Cheers 👍
Great review. I love the little funny scenes 😂👍🏼
Looking forward to more great videos with this great bike that known manufacturers didn’t want to build.
Excellent look at the 450MT IBEX.
I agree that the cast parts shouldn't be an issue, they aren't the stressed members.
Hey man! nice "seeing" you again :D
@@OFFroadOFFcourse Same here my off road brother! Keep those videos coming and safe enjoyable rides!
Great overview, thanks for sharing
Cheers!
Great review. Thorough and concise. Well done
another great video!!!!👏👏👏
Great review! Only thing it’s missing is cruise control.
That's for highway riding this bike isn't designed for that purpose.
Good first opinion and discussion for whom this bike is.I think that if you use it for 2 years the way you used your Yamaha it will have proven itself for most riders.As you rightly say most riders will not need an expensive,,100 %,,bike and 80 % will be more that enough.I hope it will be a huge succes for the manufacturer and that the Japanese hurry to bring out some affordable similar bike.I am impressed with the stuff you get for little more than the crf 300 costs😊
It will be hard for any bike in this world to withstand the amount of abuse (and lack of maintenance) my xt660r endured 😅
I really just ove the vibe of his videos, I don't even have a motorbike (even though I'm thinking about buying one (thinking for many years xD ) ) and I see all his videos.
Esta é efetivamente uma mota que me faz pensar em comprar mais cedo do que tarde
Fogo...nao imaginas como fico feliz de ver que até malta sem moto gosta dos meus videos! Acho quase impossivel, porque quase so falo de pormenores técnicos 😅
Os melhores reviews de motas!
Estragas-me com mimos! 😂
This review is super top !!!
Great respect from Romania !
thanks man! I appreciate it!
Been riding for over 30 years, currently have a BMW f750gs te and a suzuki GSXR K1 1000, I have bought this to TET and specifically to off road it. Can't wait for mine to come down
What a great honest review and I love your style with good English. This bike is on my list , I just hope they can quickly import enough to the UK - listen up CF Moto please , finding one at the moment is not easy , just to go and look at initially .
Great Review!
What might help with the jerky throttle is something called a booster plug (or many of the cheaper and smarter made versions that you can find through google) . It's a modified air intake sensor that fakes the engine into thinking it's 20 degrees colder outside than it is in reality, thereby giving a richer fuel/air mixture. It will be overrun after a few seconds by all other sensor, but it will effective in the first few seconds after changing the throttle position. It made my 2018 Africa twin a whole lot smoother and a lot less engine braking.
I will for sure try this! than you very much
Great video, thanks!
Perfect review top job
A very impressive review indeed. These things are like hen's teeth in the UK but I hope to get a test ride at some point.
Nice review!
Adorei a parte do papel de prata na cabeça. Poucos perceberão a ironia. Top
Ainda assim acho q vou la ligar aquilo e ver o que acontece...pode ser que comece a minar bitcoin 😂😂
"... chose not to see" - well said. Manufacturers like Honda, Yamaha, BMW, KTM - all of them basically ignored our pleas for a LIGHT adventure bike, pref in the 160-170kg range, with big tank, small 400-500CC twin. CFMoto delivered where all others failed - this motorbike is already a classic, it is to the adventure motorcycle industry what the iPhone 1 was to the phone industry.
Great review, funny and full of info. I REALLY want one.
( But I'm gonna have to sell some stuff first).
Also you haven't mentioned that lower part of engine frame is also replaceable and not many bikes have that option. Nice review.
Thanks Diogo. Great review as always. Hope your insights play out and I'm excited to get my hands on one here in the US. As to the snatchy throttle, I had the same experience with my KTM 990 and added a G2 "Throttle Tamer." Things improved instantly. Not sure if they are still being made or if they might eventually work on the IBEX, but hopeful. I also agree completely that the majority of people will have a better "adventure" experience on a more approachable bike. While I love the bigger bikes in "tight conditions", I spent years getting comfortable on them in that kind of riding and those were years I could have spent developing more advanced skills and exploring more places. Cheers!
Nice review
BMW G310GS 2021 model is Euro 5 and has smooth throttle response from 0% - no jerky throttle.
Excelente vídeo! Boa explicação. Os navios Ro-Ro estão cheias de motos CF moto é uma marca em voga.
Diogo, conteúdo TOP.
Venha o próximo video.
Cool bike. I really like that it has tubeless. I think it could use a talk seat maybe
thank you for a fantastic review. you addressed my one concern about this otherwise seemingly excellent bike, the twitchy throttle. I don't mind the clutch but it can get annoying off road. good to know however it can be fixed with a remap.
it is seeming more and more likely I will have to part with the saving for this very soon.
Muy bueno!!😅
I love your videos Diogo. I own a T7 world raid and have had a CRF300Rally and many other off road bikes. I recently rode my friends the 450MT on gravel trails . Everything you have said in this video is accurate and good advice in my opinion. Keep up the great work. I hope to come and ride with you one day when I travel over from Oz.
Glad to see my thoughts confirmed! And thank you for watching my videos man :D Excuse my ignorance but what is "Oz"?
Ozstralia! You know, the home of kangaroos, boomerangs and koala bears ! Throw another shrimp on the barbi 🦘🪃 😂
Best review 👌Diogo did he’s homework very well, touched the important points, I really liked the conclusion that this bike is for the humble rider, very good analysis. Hope that in the next videos there will be a comparison with the CRF300 Rally and/or AJP bike 😉
Thanks for watching man! And yeah, i will be comparing it to the crf300l at least 😂
I cannot get a test ride on this till September in Asturias and I have to put down a 1000 euro deposit! It's so popular.
Wow thats crazy 😮😮 glad i got mine on time...
Thank you for the review! For a beginning would you recommend this bike or the KTM 390 Adventure?
Mine is coming mid July, I am really glad you like it because I respect your judgement, I will put a 15t front sprocket on to relax the gearing a bit, other than that I will leave it stock as it already comes with most things I would normally add.
Congrats man! I hope we both dont regret it xD
Handguards would be worthwhile
@@slakk5093 Oh yes, hand guards as well.
try the boosterplug - gets rid of the jerkiness... put it on my gs800 and it works perfectly
Interesting...I will look into that :)
13:28 this sums up why I'm gonna get this lol. My main bike is a tracer 9 GT for Onroad and this will be my toy to try out on offroad adventures. Maybe I'll decide to sell everything and upgrade to a AT. If not then at least it's a fun and cheap toy to play with.
You are an absolute legend, so far your reviews on the CFMoto 450MT are the best I have found! OBRIGADO!
Is there an option in Europe to get it with the off-road high front fender? All videos I have seen in Asia have the off-road front fender which makes much more sense for this bike.
Would love to hear an in-depth analysis on the KYB suspensions, most people that have used the 450MT say that the OEM suspension settings are too stiff and that you need to take some time to find the right setting for your weight/usage (hard enduro>offroad>street). I am mentioning this because most of the "big boy" ADVs out there have suspensions that are not capable of handling their weight when you throw them in difficult situations so they bottom-out quite often when doing jumps.
In my opinion this bike will appeal not only to beginners but even to the more experienced HUMBLE riders that have mammoths like the KTM 890 ADV, BMW 900 GS, Ducati Desert X, Suzuki V Strom 800DE etc.; because like you said my friend, sometimes less is more!
Some of the experienced older riders out there are tired of breaking their backs every time their bike lays down or having to tip-toe on a giraffe when at low speed in traffic.
I genuinely believe that CFMoto have created the mid-weight ADV unicorn by listening to what the users were asking for. Never thought these words would come out of my mouth regarding a motorbike made in China, it seems like this marks the beginning of a new era. BYD has basically done the same in the EV car segment (not that I would ever buy one don't worry hehe).
Hello! Thanks for you words, man :D
Yeah I found the suspension too stiff at first (i weight 75kg + gear) and only after tunning down the preload the bike became "plush". The suspension is remarkable but it feels like a "short blanket"...when you cover your head, your feet will be uncovered xD
So, if I tune it to be comfortable on the small and slow stuff, it becomes a bit too soft for big rocks at high speed, and vice versa.
I am still playing with it and each day I seem to be closer to a setting that really satisfies me...so i still have hope :P For now I cant tell you anything else cause i dont know
Excellent content, as always. As a retired adv rider I still like to follow the news on new adv oriented motor cycles. I would like to have your opinion on the new Royal Enfield 450 Himalayan :)
I didnt try it yet!... I didnt even see one live yet :/
I think it's a great bike for the price. Only downside is of course if China goes to war with the west, there won't be spare parts haha.
Ha ! You’ll have way more than spare parts for your bike to worry about then!
One happy Diogo 💪🏻😜 Why don’t more dual sport bikes consider engines like this, it’s a mystery to me, amazing sound and smoothness instead of an LC4 that sounds like all the wheels and bolts are rattling loose around when you ride it. See you in October my friend 🏍️💨
Exactly! Would it be so hard to put this engine on a KTM690-like frame? Of course instead of 150kg you'd get 160 or 165kg but I could definitely live with that! (I mean... i can live with 195 so... xD)
@@OFFroadOFFcourse i want that, or rather, I NEED that 😂
I don't think CNC is ever used for engine casings excepting maybe some blingy custom thing. Mainly after market triple clamps, hubs, some brake calipers - things like that. Could be they're using a rougher casting technique, or the paint has a texture.
Nice info! thank you :)
pretty sure this is future 490/501 twin engine :) and don't worry, it will get hot when they fit it in to an orange bike with some 15hp more.
Yamaha MT09 engine temperature sits around 70° ~ 75°
Glue the round rubber on the bottom of the seat. They tend to disappear 🤷
Smart! Will do!
Both CNC machining and Investment casting (an industrial process based on lost-wax casting, one of the oldest known metal-forming techniques) are known for their precision and accuracy, ensuring quality and consistent product output, but when it comes down to manufacturing of highly complex and intricate parts investment casting wins hands down.
Thanks for the input stephen!
and what about durability, won't CNC be more durable?
@@marceliszp4803 CNC allows thinner profiles which are lighter but less durable
@@marceliszp4803 why should it be?
6K in Greece!
This can be good off-road bike. No more power needed. But most of bike owners (99%?😂) are frighten to death to go out of paved road. And on road 450cc engin is just way too weak. It's not about speed but flexibility. You have to shift gears every second.
The market is already flooded with "adventure bikes for road riders".. thats exactly why this bike is so special (to some of us)
@@OFFroadOFFcourse I'd like to have something like 500cc - 600cc (real 500 not 471 🙂) to ride on paved and unpaved roads.
Mi sembra che tu abbia trovato la quadra: il tempo ce lo dirà.
Sempre bello seguirti
Ciao
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Awesome review. Can you get access to the service manual for those who would want to do their own service?
I didnt find the garage manual yet, but the owners manual has everything you might need (except for super advanced operations of course)
KABER. :: DIVINE :: SUPREME. :: POWER. ❤❤
Nice video,thank's for the info.I own one and am thankful that I bought it,and look forward to learning about it because you seem to know more about adventure bikes and setup's for them.I noticed that yours has the back suspension on the lowest point,mine is on the other one,and I am 178 cm tall,and around 79,80 kg I think I wil lower it,because nou as it is I can only touch the ground with half of mi fot ,to the tip,not flat foot it.If I lower it,do I need to lower the front suspension or can I leave it and check how it feels just with the back lower,and see how it banances first... Also is it hard to lower the suspension,can I do it on my own ,I have a garage with tools and a stand,so I think I can do it on my own
I am trying mine with the lower back and "normal" front. I like the stability of the bike in this setup, but i will also try the normal back soon (because i didnt give it a propwr chance).
Adjusting the suspension is suuuuper important in this bike, as it feels too rough/stiff with the stock setup.
Lowerin the bike is not very hard, but you need to put the bike on a stand with the rear wheel off the ground. You can do it alone but its easier with a friend to move the wheel up and down while you remove/put the bolts that hold the parts together. I might do a video about that too
@@OFFroadOFFcoursethank's for the reply and for the advice.If I don't manage to lower it before your video I will sourly watch it to know better what I have to do.Also I am thinking of changing the tail tydi for a lighter one
I like the model of the tail tydi that you mounted.Can you put a link to it in here? thanks
Lucky fella ;-)
Casting, if done properly, is superior to machined parts: the casting process means the molecular grain of the metal conforms to the shape of the part.
But machined parts look 'trick'.
Ohhh... nice! Thank you!
Good review Diogo. I wonder if your preference for tubeless tires stems from a Monday morning in May in the hills above Piodao? 🤔
Never again shall i or my descendants suffer 2 or 3 flats in a row! :D Nice seeing you here Chris!
Gently squeeze the throttle , at low revs , or in corners.
Its not about being gentle on the throttle. Its a mapping issue :)
You can be gentle and use the clutch but i'd rather not have that problem xD
@@OFFroadOFFcourse There’s a difference between being gentle and squeezing the throttle.
Squeezing overcomes the fuelling issues , I have a Versys 650 , squeezing eliminates the surging on off events
id be really interested to see you review the Kove450 rally, I don't think its in the same category but would value your input 🙂
Definitely not the same category :) Yeah I will review it if i can get my hands on one :D
I believe The Ride you tuber is in Portugal maybe you guys can meet up 👍
Hello Diogo!
Cual es là différencia entre un guardabarros alta y bajo en utilidad?
Gracias , hasta luego .
Hello! I think there is a "real" difference. They both work well. If you use very knobby tires and ride on a lot of mud, maybe the low one will become cluttered and that will be a problem.
Its built for the roads in Nepal 🇳🇵
Off-road, mountains and that engine 🤌🏼
Getting one as soon as this launches !
Congrats man! Thanks for the comment!
@@OFFroadOFFcourse Thank you ! Love your practical approach !
Great video Diogo ! 450 MT's for rent soon?
Naaah, i dont think so. People crash my CRFs 572 times a day and they only survive cause they have almost nothing to break... the 450MT on the other hand would look like a pretzel after 1 week 😂😂
Thanks for this! 👍 If it wasn’t for the price difference, would you have opted for the KTM 890 instead?
If i could buy a 890 for this price, i would. The reason why i didnt try to buy a KTM is:
A) a bit too much money for what i want to spend
B) WAY too much money for the perceived reliability
To spend that kind of money i would want a bomb proof bike that lasts 30 years 😂
@@OFFroadOFFcourse Noted. And makes absolutely sense, I think 👌 Thanks for commenting 👍
Great review. Im just wondering where the weight comes from?
Thats a good question... I have been asking the same question for years. Maybe this bike will be the first where I will do an intense study on this matter.
O DRAMA, O HORROR....SACRILEGEO!!!!! Um youtuber portugues a comparar a chinoca a uma T7🤦♂🤦♂felizmente muitos nao percebem ingles e não sabem meter as legendas, se não vai cair o ceu e a trindade!!!!! Mas como á disse em muitos sitios se eles experimentarem a moto vão chegar a estas mesma conclusoes🤷♂🤷♂ Excelente video✌✌
Pois é, nao se pode dizer mal (nem menos bem) de certas motos 😂😂
@@OFFroadOFFcourse cada vez mais me convenso, pelo menos esses "motovlogueres" criticaram mesmo antes de sentar o rabo nela , mesmo com o propósito de ter muitos comentários 🤦🏼🤦🏼🤦🏼
I am curious if CFMoto will release a 300cc 2-stroke model, considering their partnership with KTM.
Isnt that front brake rotor on the wrong side? Hmm, how does it set on the floating fork?
Really interesting:)
What I don't like is the cockpit. I don't know why but I can't have a cockpit that doesn't tilt when I steer :D make it 5-10kg lighter and it's perfect.
Do you think it might be a fitting replacement when my drz eventually dies ?
Hello! It will feel like a whale compared to a drz 😂
One is 125kg, the other is 195 😮
Think of this like a slightly smaller big adv bike, not like a twin cilinder dual-sport 😅
Hi, I have a question. I have seen people changing the front sprocket to 15t. What is your opinion on that? Would you do it? I am interested if it makes sense and curious how much "power"/"acceleration " will it lose. It would make sense to change it just to make it really all round bike but scared off loosing noticable power while offroad.
People who have done it say loss of power is unnoticeable. I would, 100%
I didnt try it yet so i dont have a REAL answer. What i know is that the 15t will drop 600rpm in 6th gear and although that is nice, i dont think it will transform the bike.
I guess it makes sense only if you will spend a lot of time on highways.
Loosing acceleration offroad could be a concern, but on the other hand it could mean that lower gears are even more usable (staying in 3rd instead of 4th, for instsnce), so maybe it isnt that bad.
I will definitely try one of these days. Its a rather cheap test :)
Thank you very much for this review. Initially I felt it was too heavy for the power but maybe it’s just right.
Just one question: how easy is it to replace the air filter?
Cheers!
2 allen screws under the seat. Very easy. And yes, 195kg wet, is not light.
The air filter is under the seat and the lid is held by 2 bolts. Its a 1min job 😮
Yeah I feel the same but it’s cheaper that the CB500X (or whatever is called now). Specs and features are good for the price…
Yeah you lose some of that honda reliability and dealer network but once again, better specs and lower price.
I don’t know it’s the right bike for me but the seat is low and it looks like a decent attempt… for the price.
The next step is to wait for the new KTM 390 adventure to finally drop. Im excited about it and hope it’s not a downer.
Let’s wait and see how it goes!
Thank you! That sounds easy for sure.
What do you think is a better choice the mt 450 or a f800gs for the same price?
1st gen f800gs comes with quite a few problems. Headlight, coils, etc. Plus it's a 15 year old bike.
Only you can answer that man, sorry. The 450mt will feel lighter and easier, the 800gs will be much more road-worthy. It depends on what your goals, skills and surroundings look like :)
Some said that the real, unique and only drawback of this bike is the air filter. Accessing to it for cleaning or changing is a PITA.
It is true?
Not at all...its right there under the seat. It only takes 2 bolts to remove it from the airbox 😮 where did you get that idea?