man i have never been a virtua fighter person out of early saturn days. When I tried this VF5 on PS5 i was directly hooked. This is the less feature-rich fighter yet the more engaged I have been with the core online experience. I sure prefer it over Tekken 7 or 8, it is just so satisfying to play.
yes VF5 i think is the best version of the system. I love VF4 as well, but it doesn't flow as well as 5. That's a good thing though, considering how long Sega have been working on and refining 5 :-)
@@Aceskies There's no rage, rage drive, supers, ex attacks, drive impact, drive rush to save your ass. It's straight brawling, no fluff. VF 5 US/FS is the balanced fighting game you will EVER play!
VF is a very technical beast. I'm not surprised someone who favors mechanics would like it a lot. The characters have a lot of personality in their playstyles too.
Absolutely!!! I'm going to make a video pretty soon about the Fighting system in comparison to tekken's in detail! And yes I love how fundamental the design of the game is.
What's so amazing about VF is how much it puts the onus of the game back on the player. You truly feel like it's player versus player, not character versus character. If you understand the system mechanics, you understsnd Virtua Fighter. And that's when the beauty of the game truly starts to present itself.
That is a great summary of the game mechanics. Yes there are some sort of match up type of stuff probably, but that's so small and adjustable that essentially it's much more about you understanding the other player's preferences than what their character is up to. Since the move sets for all the characters are so fluid and adaptable.
@TheElectricUnderground And EVERY move in a character's moveset is useful and important. You don't get as much bloat as you would see in something like Tekken. It all flows and works together, which is like poetry to watch.
I will always respect a company that fights to preserve its gameplay roots instead of selling the essence of their franchise to satisfy the masses! This game is just brilliant because I hate when you can just mash the buttons and win anyway. This game is made in a way, that you will feel a significant progress after playing it- you learn to feel the game instead of just memorising lines of input like in Tekken. When it comes to pure gameplay, this game should be celebrated as a king of all fighters because nobody realises how much work needs to be put into balancing such precise games, whereas tekken is just memorise a few long lines and that’s it. Tekken is like Two people yelling their best arguments at each other without understanding. Virtua Fighter is about two gentleman carefully listening and replying/arguing accordingly. Tekken is a circus showdance, VF is like Tango! You need to sync with this game and once you do, you won’t wanna dance anything else:)
Don't cater to the casuals or the masses like you said it's going to end up dead simple as that, VF used to be king 3D not anymore It has been replaced, It's a Legend of revolutionizing 3D but even students can surpasses the Master, times are changing if your not on that focus on casual train then you'll be left behind
@@shenelljohnson74 So you claim it’s better to sacrifice game quality, depth and challenge for the sake of satisfying the masses?! I would rather be left behind with quality content then be a monkey that follows latest trends-because those are not here to challenge you, but to play with your superficial senses. Everything is about making money and people are just a product. Those who won’t see it will be the ones who kill good quality gaming. It’s like saying it’s better to have an average teacher and all students who pass with C’s than having a hard teacher who pushes even 5% to A’s but let’s part of the class fail. Obstacles help us evolve, and feeding our comfort zones just prolongs our ignorance. Which is better? I think the gaming trends are clear and I wish gaming studios went more for quality content than sales, and if this is the trend, then it’s RIP great games, and I will rather avoid modern meaningless and lazy game design and enjoy the great stuff from the past. With the trends today, new gen of lazy developers will hardly ever surpass the great designers from the past. Just look on CZcams at: Soul ve Soulless Resident Evil 4 comparison! Greatly shows how even top studios today don’t have the same touch for detail, not mentioning the lazier game design. The same can he said about Super Mario 3 vs Mario Wonder- the challenge slowly disappears and game become so superficial. I hope you can see what I mean and that more players will realize that we should voice our opinions louder to save high quality gaming- arcade design hadpurpose in balancing difficulty, which is gone today and replaced by meaningless running, expanding the world but decreasing game density, monetisation in everything, decreasing challenge so that people do t complain about difficulty-all bad marketing. Back then you had to learn,nowadays a spoiled brat will cry that a game is too hard and can create a wave of hate. Devs today are influenced by social media and their creative process is thus influenced-not in a good way. I feel now we have a decline in good gaming and it’s gonna be more and more rare to play as great games as before.
@@kagemara277 What you should have done put a paragraph on everything on why bandai namco do what they do and this is why they're better Not everybody has the same IQ not everybody has the same brain not everybody thinks the same If you don't dumb down your games casuals and others will not play it and it will be left behind in history All because of the name of nostalgia BS but I suppose your pride your ego loves to mess up games like that for good.. The thing is about Tekken 8 is you still need to to do execution your NOT gonna win by simply just smashing buttons it still takes skills dumbing it down won't hurt the game it's actually good sense there series still continues, matter of fact you calling yourself a VF fan You should never be a VF fan from the start if you have a simple close mindset, which is disgusting, put it like this You get to have your old VF game while other's could still play the VF, the new generation the new era it should be dumb down it should be crator to the casuals and the masses on there behalf, put it like this Don't look at it as VF Just look at it in a whole completely different 3D that way others can have a shot of playing it just like old heads said Tekken is dead after 7 they move on and stick with the old Tekken instead worrying about new installment That's what you need to do pretend VF is dead and move on
It's a fighting game you press buttons until the enemy dies. Idk what psudo shit your spewing rn but all fighting games in any match you are memorizing combo this post doesn't make sense to me
I didn't 'get into' Virtua Fighter until 4EVO for PS2 because that training mode was mindblowing. I was a Tekken bro since part one, mowed lawns in the summer heat to save up and get a Playstation 1 so I could experience Tekken. I was pretty good. Most folks that talked shit about me playing Tekken at worst had me in a draw with them, even guys that studied frames. I didn't study a single goddamned frame situation in Tekken yet I could 'feel' the bits of the characters I played over time that just 'seemed to work' and thus you build a strategy around those moves that just seem to get away with murder in terms of priority and range. Virtua Fighter is just stacks and stacks and stacks of meta games of rock paper scissors and each character's tackling of those metagames is just...idk, i love games that have a simple ruleset that has infinite explorability. And to me, that's Virtua Fighter. The way I explain it to folks who ask me what I think about the two, I say Tekken is checkers. It's really fun, it can get really competitive, but Virtua Fighter is chess and between checkers and chess, only one of those games is internationally known to be taken extremely serious not only by players, but by statisticians, etc. It's that kind of game.
What's hilarious about this is that Harada himself is one of the biggest VF fans out there, so much so that Tekken always has and will continue to be inspired by the VF series, even recently the new mechanic that was added to Tekken 7 (wall crump/stagger) and Tekken 8's new Arcade Quest are direct inspiration from VF4/Evolution. When it comes to Tekken and VF, I will never understand how someone can like one yet not the other.
Harada is a fan of many things he did a VF in Tekken 4 already it failed miserably until he decided to rise the bar in 5 which was smartest decision because Tekken is not supposed to be a VF 2.0
I had only tried the training modes and got confused before, but I gave the game another go thanks to this video and so far I LOVE IT. There's a lot of fun from just getting the basics and mashing buttons from there, but you can feel the additional depth at your fingertips waiting to be explored. Comparing to my experience with Tekken, there's far less character matchups I need to keep track of thanks to the smaller roster (not a popular selling point but it can make a game easier to learn). There's no required Korean back dashing. The ring-outs make sidesteps and your overall position on the stage matter beyond wall combos. And the moments you can't control your character are very short, giving you little time to think so you have to rely more on fighting with your instinct rather than planning. It feels great to find a 3D fighting game that I enjoy, with a community that I can still engage with.
I really appreciate your more thorough approach to fighting game reviews even if they are late to the surge of popularity. Almost no-one ever seems to understand that people who stream a particular game or make their "money"/influence from it are going to be very biased.
Exactly dragon, exactly. And they are gonna be blind fanboys for one series, then it s probably not best to start suddenly having high standards for other series XD
I just subscribed. Thank you for defending VF and speaking on what VF5 has to offer if players have the patience to learn. I grew up playing all the top fighters, and Tekken is always fun but VF has some charm that I love. I always say it's my favorite fighting game in FGC circles.
Badly needed on PC... and they already made the PC version too, it's running in arcade machines in Japan right now. Also Sony's funding didn't stop SFV on PC so it seems like it's just Sega being Sega. Even releasing it late at this point would be a good idea to catch people in the transition from Tekken 7 to 8 or maybe burning out from Strive or something. Free me by porting this please Sega…
VF nailed the one thing every other fighting game has been trying to desperately do in the age of accessibility obsession. The concept of Complexity through simplicity. 3 button fighter, there aren't many motion inputs, the only really hard character to use is Akira which is ok if he's the sole hard character to use. Everyone has a throw game, VF doesn't have totally useless strings like in Tekken which become obsolete after the green ranks. And Side stepping actually works ladies and gentlemen! Ring outs and throws are your comeback mechanics. And it's actually a more aggressive game than Tekken...just saying, you don't need the developers adding a braindead mechanic like the heat system in T8 in order to force aggressive play with more moronic 50/50s. If VF6 had cool new edgy characters and badass character redesigns of the legacy cast then i think VF would be significantly more popular among the casual audience with the visual presentation alone.
Yeah it s so funny how virtua fighter has already achieved such a strong balance of aggression and defense and it doesn't need a bunch of patched over mechanics like most other fighting games
@TheElectricUnderground lol T8 added chip damage because Harada doesn't like it when good players block too much. VF doesn't need all that artificial hype. Lol how can Tekken heads make fun of VF when their game turned into a joke every year after season 3 launched? Lol do you remember when the first T8 details were released and they said supers weren't going to be launch punishable? LMFAO Open world quest mode, edgy and sexy newcomers, character re'designs and honestly i wouldn't mind if they did a Tekken 3 and replaced a couple of the old cast.
@majortom331 i feel VF6 should do a Tekken 3 tbh. Maybe get swap out a couple of legacy characters with younger, hotter, edgier newcomers. Shun Di can definitely go. You cant tell me that character would appeal to anyone born past the year 2000.
@@mikeg4490but drunken boxing is cool though everyone loves Drunk fist. He is irreplacable. Young character doing that style doesnt have the same vibe. Jackie "Lei Wulong" Chan is the exception not the rule.
Virtua Fighter 5 is not only one of the greatest fighting games ever made, it’s also the last truly great Sega game, and marks the end of the classic Sega era. It’s like a beautiful swan song.
Oh yes for sure! Quest mode is awesome. What I was referring to though was a simple VS cpu mode, like how you can have a vs mode against other players. For some reason there has not been an option to simply select a cpu character and fight it in a match.
Compared to Tekken, Virtua Fighter was always too sophisticated to be commercially successful. But for those who can appreciate that depth, it’s extremely rewarding. I’m a fan ever since VF2 :)
yeah and it's not just that it's sophisticated, I think the main barrier to it being commercially viable is how fundamental it is. Like is said the key to tekken being popular (outside of stuff like presentation, which I think VF5 looks great so that's not an issue) is the amount of big sticks the game has for new players. Like in tekken, you can get stupidly far in that game just spamming moves and running a really basic set play over and over. Whereas in VF, your gonna get blown up for that, but the answers on how to play well are more overall fighting game concepts, rather than in tekken where you can just practice a 30 hit combo for 40% damage.
They'd been making VF gradually easier as the series went on and especially with VF5: Final Showdown (which Ulitmate Showdown is a remaster of). I'd argue Tekken 7 is harder than VF5:FS and much more complicated and yet it's been very successful. VF used to be very hard but Sega making it so much easier with the later versions hasn't changed things. There's a lot more to it.
VF's problem is that when its hot none of the actual VF players get a voice like we should, we need a big push for actual VF players to speak on VF. The fact that someone said it has no neutral(TK player), (anime player said) easy combos, and (typical non-VF players) try to base it off other games instead of actually learning the game. Another thing is funny how such a trash game had such an amazing GF at Evo Japan and it has no comeback mechanic something a lot of new school folks hate on. Also, we as a community are quite welcoming for the most part, are we perfect no but if you want games folks will help and you can play anyone usually as long as they are on and in the lobby folks are chill. As for someone who went to Jaan and played the Japanese VF players they are some of the most down-to-earth and kindest people ever VF is my favorite game due to the life journey I was able to embark on. I had the honor to meet a lot of Japanese players and man I am happy to have made so many friends. Also, people say they want VF6 but why most people don't play what they are given, I want VF6 BADLY but in the business sense it isn't sound to do so. Another thing I love about VF5US is that it references the Old Club Sega the replay feature on the min screen was something they did at the arcade before that closed down. I love this game so much but man I can't make already a big comment bigger. I will say I am very happy for this video and I look forward to playing you as well thanks for sharing your beloved opinion on one of our favorite games.
Yes I agree completely! There does need to be a public presence for the VF players. I love the series and am more than happy to talk about it, but it would be great if there were dedicated VF channels out there that could help defend the game
Back when virtual fighters 2 was new in arcades it was the most popular fighting game, at a time when Street fighter, Tekken, Mortal Kombat, Soul Edge were also in the same arcades...
I'm friends with some socal VF players and play a bit, but I think most people can't really talk about the game in general. VF in general is.... complex, and people try to approach the series like Tekken, but even in VF2 it was nothing like Tekken (3TB is godlike btw)
Sometimes less is more in my opinion. I like Tekken, it just feels like a bit much at times. Too many characters, many of them I couldn’t care less about, and too much going on with all the magic, projectiles, all that stuff. I love the strictly hand to hand style of VF, and the animations are so buttery smooth.
I love Virtua Fighter 5. I'm terrible at it but I love the crunchy/heavy hit effects. I feel like I have to be so careful with every move I do which I feel makes the game challenging to master. I never understood the emotional angst gamers have towards fighting games they dislike. I like so many of them for different reasons.
At a boy Mark. This is why I love your channel. A lot of people shit on this game, but the truth is it's not that bad at all. The controls are tight, the gameplay solid, and it forces players to sidestep in order to get good.
Yes it s absurd how poorly this game was treated on launch, more of that social media hive mind stuff. People smack talking it without even trying to understand it s system
I saw some Korean or Japanese tournament for this game and it was so hype, honestly one of the coolest esport events I've seen in years. I am a Tekken player but tbh would prefer to jump ship to a new VF title because Tekken has strayed too far from a grounded martial arts sim to crazy anime fighter (aesthetics not mechanics). I look at Claudio for example, a 'magic user' with a totally invented bs fighting style and the longer and longer and longer combos and just feel like Tekken is being made for an audience that I'm not a part of.
It's crazy because I don't mind damage that comes from juggles (especially crazy high damage from VF), but if you mention disliking how long juggles take in current day Tekken (since they've been getting longer and longer), the replies you get are usually "Tekken has ALWAYS had juggles" and "git gud don't get launched", completely missing the point. VF feels more like Tekken used to than Tekken does now (in terms of grounded combat and combo length).
I took to VF straight away over Tekken, Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat. I rank Dead or Alive in a similar vein too. Never got further than arcade VF3 so never experienced the online gameplay. I'm glad people upload their matches. I have one favourite who comments during gameplay. Highly entertaining. Considering checking a PC version. It's the ONLY game I would play and therefore I couldn't justify purchasing a PS console.
This is a bit of a long rant but i think it's justified, firstly i'm a long time vf player i do not like final showdown that much, but in your first 30 od seconds you mention about the old compressed sounds ect ect, tekken people have no room to argue and shit on vf, firstly they've been using the same damn animations since tekken 1 with things like the get up kick the running cross chop spring kicks, so how can they shit on vf when they to are using legacy assets, it's all part of what makes each series great, then the common complaint i see from tekken players is "vf feels stiff it looks stiff" it has more movement options than tekken and if you actually played the game for longer than the 2 week twitch views cycle circle jerk you would notice that once you start getting good at vf it's anything but stiff, and then lets remember this about tekken people talk about tekkens "great movement" it's locked behind KBD you can't kbd in tekken the game is actually really clunky and slow, now all the tekken people are jerking namco off about all this AI ghost learning crap VF had this since fucking VF2 ,VF2 amigo on the saturn in 1996, namco introduce it 26 later and it's Revolutionary, the fgc and the whole fanboy thing is a complete joke mark, people are rarely ever objective it's just all fanboy shill rubbish
Amen, brother. Customizations VF4 did it first, bounds and combo extension Vanilla 5 did it and revolutionized it in FS, Beat Tribe came first after that master Cup, Wall bounce VF4 did it first and then Tekken. I like Tekken also I like it a lot and even though I am better at VF my Tekken not weak I am no pro but I usually get to I am alright. overall I find it funny how a game gets so much hate but then the game you like takes from it and the creator Harada himself loves VF. TTT2 I believe he said he swapped all the stages with VF music, DOA is based off Vf, and SF legends like Fudo and Zangief got praised for their skill because of them also playing Virtua Fighter. But VF is trash guys hahahaha
@@havocwingplzgId argue Tobal #1 did it first. Directed by the director of the first Virtua Fighter and the first Tekken (Seichi Ishii). He also improved the grapple function in that game over Tekken and VF. Only game I seen come close was Konami's Kensei: Sacred Fist (underrated game) with its grappling and reversals. I have no idea why Tekken remains so simplistic with theirs when Tobal wrote the blueprint almost 30 years ago But yeah KBD just looks goofy AF to me in Tekken. Just makes the game look choppy and glitchy. Why can't they implement smoother 3D movement it's ridiculous they're purposely keeping in archaic design.
The lack of special sparring stops US being my fav, if it had that or quest mode, it would be a done deal, for single player VFFS and VF4Evo are still the benchmark for single player content in fighting games.
Oh yeah that is painful, no doubt about it. For me the improved netplay, graphics, and effects, keep US as the best, BUT, if it had a proper quest mode that would be perfect. So the game is amazing, but yes the lack of a quest mode hurts. And sadly you can't really play the quest mode of vanilla 5 either, since vanilla 5 is SO DIFFERENT from Ultimate Showdown game balance and even movement wise. Vanilla 5 is much more like VF4, so I'd just play VF4 quest mode, which is amazing.
Ha its funny you say that, because after years of playing FS, I finally bought VF5 vanilla this year, and wow it blew my mind, it's style in gameplay is so different, yeah more like VF4, you would think the big shift in game mechanics happened in numbered sequels, but no, VF5 and VFFS is when the leap was made. Although there was Virtua Fighter 5 R, it could have happened there as that game never got a port, I've never played it, even so, its still a big leap. vf4 evo is amazing indeed, I don't think I will ever get bored of playing it, unless vf6 does everything, all the goodness from US with quest mode, I won't need another fighting again if that happens lol. @@TheElectricUnderground
@@newtypepunk9967VF5 R is when the transition happened yea, but there were some growing pains to getting the game in a balanced state. R is notorious for being borderline kusoge with some of the shit the characters got.
Yes, Soul Calibur is in the worst shape because of all the bloat. Meters, soul charge, supers, GI tied to meter, counter hits on movement, guard break attacks, guard crush, lethal hits, just guard, reversal edge... 3d fighting games are complex enough without all of this. Everything they do piles rewards on players for mindless aggression. I don't want to manage resources, I want to read and outwit the other guy. In SC2 I could block the other guy all day, it was tense and fun opening people up; now even in Tekken there's chip damage. I just want a pure 3d fighter to play without resources. Virtua Fighter adding meter would be pretty sad.
Mainman was getting murdered online by pro VF players. That footage he showed was just him playing scrubs new to the game. He was getting his shit pushed back. Hell I murdered him with my Lion and he rage quit on me. Lol
Virtua Fighter is my favorite 3d fighter hands down. Never bothered me that it's less popular. It was a Saturn game. Being less popular was always going to be its doom.
Absolutely love VF, I first played the series back in 1994, there was a movie theater lobby that VF1 and man it blew my 8 year old mind. I had never seen a 3-D game before and once I played it I was instantly hooked. It’s my favorite 3-D fighting game series of all time, bar none, and one of my top 3 fighting game series overall. The series is so pure, no gimmicky mechanics, fireballs, lasers, or super moves, just pure hand to hand authentic martial arts with tons of depth and sophistication. I thought it was extremely weird how Tekken fanboys immediately started trying to attack VF5 US when it came out and started trying to put the game down and bury it. It pissed me off because of how much I love the series, and to see these bunch of ignorant fanboys just try to downplay the game in that way really irritated me. I’ve always liked Tekken, not nearly as much as VF, but I’ve always liked it as well, but I have to be honest and say that the Tekken community has some of the most toxic fanboys in the genre. Easily. It’s like they don’t want any other 3-D fighter besides Tekken to thrive and be played. It’s childish. Anyway thank you for making this video man and for sticking up for an amazing game!
I doubt you still play it because I realize that you said you play it at 8 years old meaning you're looking back as a nostalgia.. eventually you will get burnt out, You will get tired, You will get bored, this is why Tekken would remain on top on a bury game, You guys don't know when to take the nostalgia goggles off
@@shenelljohnson74Man stop it. I don’t know what makes you think I don’t play VF anymore but TRUST me I still do. I said I FIRST played it when I was 8 years old. I’ve been playing the series ever since then. I play VF5 Ultimate Showdown online ALL the time. My love for VF isn’t about nostalgia, it’s because it’s a damn good series, and it has always been much better than Tekken to me.
@@orlanzo2621 I respect your opinion but at the same time I have CZcamsrs just like a VF fan like yourself has the same mindset, like you do and guess what when I went to his channel confronted him about why you're bashing Tekken he said VF was better I was like ok then Gave me reasons why it shits on Tekken so I was like understandable (I need to look up his channel to link it to you) but I noticed that he keeps streaming or playing Tekken more than VF I confronted him again and he decided to use insults and vulgar words, trying to adjust his point which didn't make no sense, my thing is this is via for such a great game and everyone loves it so much why is it still not standing why is it not getting any love I mean hell even harada on Twitter said Where's VF 6 everyone's quick to bash Tekken but why is that the only 3D game standing why is it on top of the throne but NOT VF shouldn't VF be the Street fighter of 3D i mean even Street fighter from the past had new developers to improve the game but NOT VF tho doesn't make no sense I respect your opinion on loving the franchise but can't understand why it gets shit on You guys call it a disgrace they sold out but If they follow the same old school formula they know that this game will be dead, matter of fact Tekken is already dead when they sign up for this mechanic y'all dislike so much but guess what..it's still alive what's the point of creating a new product but you know that it will fail if YOU follow pursue of your old mechanics you might as well drop it, if the Sega teams comes out with same old school formula BS again they basically shot themselves in the foot SMH 🤦♂️
@@shenelljohnson74 Well all I know is that I prefer VF to stay VF, meaning I want it to focus on pure authentic martial arts and realism. There’s PLENTY of games out there with lasers, fireballs, comeback mechanics, armored moves, 20 hit juggle combos, flashy colorful hit sparks, etc. I don’t want VF to give into that nonsense. At that point it wouldn’t even be VF anymore and MIGHT AS WELL be dead. I don’t want them selling out to that garbage. I don’t care about Tekken selling its soul, it jumped that shark a long time ago, but VF, “dead” or not, has always stayed true to its roots and remained unique and kept its integrity. The gameplay is deep, fluid, realistic, and sophisticated. Thats what the series is known for, I never want it to lose that. Ever. I personally couldn’t care less about “the masses” and what they want. The “masses” want easy, flashy, fighting games with a bunch of “waifus” and other nonsense. I’m tired of fans of other games wanting VF to be more like those other games, I mean just play those games instead of trying to ruin VF. VF occupies a special place in fighting games and is a breath of fresh air. So when we get VF6 I hope that it stays true to what VF is, even at the cost of sales to “the masses”. The only thing I want from a new VF are more characters, endings, rollback, and maybe bring the quest mode back from VF4 Evo. I don’t want the gameplay touched at all outside of move additions or something like that. I would hate if they added comeback mechanics and/or super moves.
I came to know vf5 ultimate showdown through yakuza and i was surprised how much i like this game. I hope there will be a new vf one day. i would jump onboard immediatly
This is really interesting. Im a very casual fighting game player and to be honest i had no idea that the virtua fighter series even had such a recent game, nobody seems to talk about it. Ill have to try it out at some point
I love Virtua Fighter ever since Virtua Fighter 5 vanilla version. Virtua Fighter deserve a live action movie and Virtua Fighter 6 for Virtua Fighter 30th anniversary.
Ah yes VF5 Vanilla still looks amazing, especially the stages. Have you ever played VF4 Evolution for the PS2? It’s a classic and Quest mode is a beast. Jade Cargill or Gillian White should play as Vanessa 💯
I will crack open my copy of the VR4 re-release on PS2 someday to play that training mode. When I played VF5 it was in one of the Yakuza games and Judgement, but it didn't make any sense to me at all, and I'm a fighting game fan. I also didn't have Plus at the time so I missed out on getting this for free and scrubbing it out online, is it still active online?
I've never been too much into 3D fighting games. Virtua fighter though, has had me playing hundreds of hours and totally got me into 3D fighting (Virtua fighter 4 and 5 are awesome). This series is so underrated, and doesn't get the love it deserves imo.
absolutely!! Once you play a bunch of VF, you actually can start to see holes in something like tekken where the balance of the game is really lopsided and how the meta needs to take hard right turns around stuff like backdash cancels. Whereas VF the meta is much more directly built into the game, which is impressive.
I absolutely love this game. It's my favorite 3D fighter of all time at this point. The package itself is so focused and to the point.. which emphasizes the "purity" of this game IMO.
Yes the UI is fantastic! I love how everything instantly pops into that menu without a bunch of stupid sub menus and stuff. I do wish we had a quest mode or special sparring mode, but other than that I think Ult is top notch as a release.
I wholeheartedly endorse this message. I think if more FGC players went through VF4 Evo's insane training mode, they'd get just how high skill a series this is. Like, maybe the most high skill. It wants you to do things as standard that I didn't think human hands were even capable of (like buffering multiple throws in a split second). As it is too many people think it's just PPK, or Akira if you want to show off. I believe it was actually in an older interview you did where someone (EXA Arcadia exec?) laid out how VF 5 and its insanely expensive cabs basically destroyed the Japanese arcade industry, so it's understandable why Sega put it into cryo-freeze for a decade. That's also apparently the reason Sega weren't willing to fund a full VF6 without testing the waters first. Which led to why we didn't get rollback, they said they would have had to rebuild VF5's frame code base to make it work (but at least we know they're very aware they need it). On the plus side, those expensive arcade setups had TVs in Japanese game centres streaming matches from around the country, which is the origin of those matches you see on the idle screen.
Yeah but I don't think VF5 is to blame for the fall of Japanese arcades ha, I do remember him saying that in the interview many years ago. I think what happened is the classic tale of sega projecting grown in the arcades, and then the growth didn't happen, and then they were left eating a bunch of losses. Sort of like the launch of the PS3. Overall I think that Sega are starting to finally pull themselves back together a bit (mostly because of yakuza), and so bringing VF into the yakuza engine is a very smart idea. If fighting game players knew a little more about game development other than tweeting at Harada, they hopefully would have seen the merits of this plan ha. But the idea that Sega, who have been dormant with fighting games for like a decade, should just suddenly rush out Vf6 with a new staff who have no idea what they are doing would be a disaster. I think having them work on making this remaster was the right move. It'll pay off in the end when VF6 comes out, which I think it will.
sega has been talking a lot about the revival of old ips again recently so i'm hopeful. i've never played VF before but have enjoyed some other, older fighting games by sega AM2 before so i'd like to get into it
oh yes VF is such a fun fighting game to get into. For me playing the game never feels like a chore and it has so many things to study and learn. Vs playing tekken and having to spend hours practicing these juggle combos and stuff ha.
Dude you hit the nail on sound effects and voice samples. The NEGEO limitations produced the some of the most meaty and crunchiest hit sound effects and I loved it! Music is a bit more subjective as I think there's pretty decent modern fighting game osts. But damn Tekken and SF's (especially 6) OSTs seriously dipped in quality. There's some decent tracks, but they're typically not anything I go my way to search and listen to.
Yes the idea that games need to just use uncompressed sound effects just cuz is ridiculous ha. It's an aesthetic choice and I think it works extremely well in VF. Also there are a lot of great modern game fighting game soundtracks, and they all belong to melty blood lol.
awesome review mark! virtua fighter 5 is a much beloved fighting game. tekken's a great game, but i wasn't able to connect with a 3d fighter as much as i did with how elegant vf is. counter-hit launchers and the game's many unique features (e.g. offensive moves/defensive moves/sabakis/catch throws/styles/stances) are endlessly fun :)
I'd love to know what has been lost and what has been gained since VF2. I love the simplicity of VF2, the pick up and play but hard to master feel. Does ultimate have that soul still?
People don’t want to admit this but the new single player mode for Tekken is a direct inspiration from VF with their quest mode all the way back in VF4 evo
I always wonder if we will EVER get another single player mode in a fighting game even 1/10th as good as VF4 Quest mode.... oh well. Great video! I actually didn't play VF5 that much, so maybe I should change that.
Yeah I miss quest mode so much ha. I really hope we see a vf6 that brings it back. I still do pop in and play vf4 quest mode, but I like the vf5 ult system more so it s a shame it s not there
With the exception of Tekken 8. Virtua fighter was always the better looking game. It's also more advanced and deeper. I like to see what virtual fighter 6 is going to be
I really appreciate you making this response video to all the VF hate out there. Way too many people Take TMM’s opinions as law. It isn’t until you fight more experienced VF players that you are introduced to the complexity of its mechanics and movement freedom. In lower ranks, everyone plays it as if it were Tekken 😂 back dashing will NOT save you in VF, you actually get punished for that in contrast to crouch dashing.
@@TheElectricUnderground Absolutely 💯 Also, Seiji Aoki is currently the Chief Producer of VF. He recently had an interview and shared his thoughts, he understands how important rollback netcode will be for the future of VF and takes pride in the longevity of the combat system. I say it’s a bright future ahead for VF.
It's on ps4 and ps5 by extension. If you can, I highly recommend playing it on ps5 due to better load times and faster netspeeds (if you have highspeed internet.)
I'm a Tekken fan. And recently I saw the game virtua fighter.. AND.. I LIKED it.. Honestly, I really liked the characters, the fighting style and their environment, or rather the arenas, which are made in different styles. There's a lot of talk about how Tekken fans don't like VF, but I don't understand why? It's a shame that the game isn't being developed.
You make a great point to just play what isn't popular, because that's pretty much the vast majority of fighting games; I definitely fall into this trap. But setting aside that ego and getting bodied over and over by people who play that niche fighting game a ton before you can stand a chance to play, can be so so difficult D:
Can wholeheartedly agree that dropping VF6 after such time away would have been a bad move. I feel the same way about Melty Type Lumina. It just came out, and still hasn't quite caught up to MBAACC. They needed an interim entry. Like how VF did here, or SNK did with KOFXII.
Love Virtua Fighter, but lets be honest. SEGA has got to put big money towards this franchise if it evers want to see it close to being a rival to TEKKEN again. TEKKEN was in a very situation in 2017 ironically when 7 dropped. VF has to revamp their whole universe if they want consumers to care about their next release if it ever comes. They have the core gameplay that can be addicting and fun. They just have to give a fuck about the rest of the package that comes with it. So many characters and I dont know anything about them. Compared to Tekken where they at least give you a story mode and arcade intros and outros along with lore.
Great review and justice back for that remaster ! Yes vf6 obviously won't reach the same amount of players as tekken 8 but if the game is really wellrounded and provide rollback, solid and smooth matchmaking like sf6, and at last a story fucking mode to appeal casuals, it can be the most successful virtua fighter to date, i believe. Its core gameplay and spirit make vf a good alternative to Tekken.
It's kind of funny, when I started getting into fighting games in the early 2000s, Virtua Fighter as a franchise was highly respected and regarded as the pro-3D fighter of choice (at least in my German internet circles). Even though, yeah, Tekken was always the big boy. Tekken 3 was huge, even non-fighting fans were playing it. I'm not sure what hurt the franchise the most then, maybe the Dreamcast port of 3 which honestly should have been a lot better..it got overshadowed by Soul Calibur and Dead or Alive 2 as a 3D fighter on a SEGA console and I think after the importance of VF2 for Saturn, this kind of put the series in an awkward position. VF4 on PS2 came at a time when the market was oversaturated and the genre on life support. I got VF5 with my PS3 back then and this and Dead or Alive 4 on 360 were my go-to 3D fighters for some time (though truth be told, I didn't play them as much as I played games from earlier gens). Ultimate Shodown to me felt more like a "let's preserve this game as a high quality SEGA legacy title" than "let's bring it back big time". But I think SEGA should bring the franchise back in some way after SF6 and Tekken 8 are out. I truly believe there is a space open for a second 3D fighting franchise, especially one that feels so radically different to Tekken and with Soul Calibur and Dead or Alive also currently out of the equation.
I really do think we will see a vf6. I think the success of Yakuza has made that more possible than ever. That's why I don't think it s a coincidence they used the Yakuza engine for vf5 ult. I think it s the perfect foundation for vf6
@@TheElectricUnderground Yakuza-franchise seems to be the place to go for SEGA-Arcade enthusiasts with all the classics it celebrates and brings back these days (and it's the current franchise with the strongest classic SEGA vibe). So I agree, and hope that this will happen one way or another.
Ultimate Showdown is also missing Replay Mode for some reason. Not the match viewer from the main screen, but the mode that was in FS where you can save any online OR offline match for playback later, with on-screen command inputs and frame data.
Yeah it's crazy. I felt FS was lacking in options compared to vanilla VF and VF4 EVO but US is even more lacking. What's also crazy is I played FS today and was surprised I was getting online matches. Some dedicated players out there. Same with Super SFIV and even SFxTekken on PS3. Free online still and all I guess. Sure beats spending $80 a year for it haha None for VF2 or Fighting Vipers on PS3 though.
@@Ryowhosakazaki it's annoying and makes worried about Virtua Fighter 6 content if that's ever announced. I hope Sega doesn't get as bad as their adopted company Atlus is ( have you seen their Persona 3 Reload pricing? Ugh)
I played tekken and virtua some in nearly when I was in 7th or 8th grade and love both but tekken was the game for me, and now I realise virtua fighter has some in depth game, ,which require in depth mind and soul, just like a human being thinks and does when he is conscious, for me it's really getting my conscious state to get more conscious,and tekken is fun but in sub concious way , and it's goes in dream which is only a dream, but virtua fighter is reality, which in end both game r my favourite way of dealing with life it's really intriguing and satisfying to just start the game any given free time.
The Tekken fan base is toxic and most of them don't care about the 3D fighting genre(I wish I was lying). I hope to see a new Virtua Fighter or DOA in the future.
The hitbspark introduce in Virtual fighter ultimate showdown is underrated. As some one who very bad at reconizing things on the fly, hitspark give a decent tell what just occure Edit: in fact one of my biggest grip with Cuphead game is the lack of hitspark or enemy hitstune animation. The highlight is not good enough imo.
He agrees on 'hitsparks' being included, but thinks the compressed SFX is fine and that "everyone does it!" Granted this video seems old but Tekken 8 was right around the corner by then. Surely he'd need to compare VFFS to the newest iteration rather than the previous one. Hope by time VF6 rolls around a lot of decade-long overdue updates are implemented.
Yes I think he tries to copy Aris's vibe a bit and it just doesn't go well ha. Aris smack talked VF5 but he also fully smack talks tekken, so it's a lot more fair on his side of things. VS a lot of the tekken guys who don't want to talk about the issues with tekken, but are fully willing to steamroll VF.
thats very nice and all, but... where is the pc version of this? If with this remake, they wanted to really see how much reception it got from players... why is there no pc port? Its ridiculous. I love virtua fighter, but when i saw that this was the case, i knew they just wanted in for a quick buck... then you realize it is free for psplus exclusive... so whats even the point of it?????
Oh yes absolutely. I love watching VF5 matches. That's why that player thing in the menu is so great, because in between whatever you are up to you can just casually spectate some high level matches ha.
I've Been A Sega Man Since The Master System. I've Been A Fan Of Virtua Fighter Since VF1. Virtua Fighter Is A Thinking Man's Fighting Game. Good Video!
Nice! I purchased VF5 a few weeks ago. Unfortunately have only played about two hours 😅 I think 'Tekken Bros' are indeed very superficial. This due to how the series had always been at the cutting edge ... in pure polygon count ... to awesome cutscenes etc. I think the critiques of VF5 are as much about a frustration of this perceived 'lack' in VF5 as it means the series won't itself be taken seriously. Tekken fans know what irrelevance means (when fighting games were waning, when it struggled against SFIV, Tag 2s failure). Heck the initial emergence of 3D fighters made 2D fighters somewhat irrelevant in the first place... add onto the fact that Tekken has no 3D peers (DOA = dead, SoulCaliber = dead). It has been a sad state of affairs. So they take it very seriously ... even if it is in some sense superficial 😢🎉
Yes i agree, but I think the Tekken players are far too willing to sacrifice certain aspects of 3D fighter philosophy, at least in terms of what VF values, in order to be popular. There is no doubt that Tekken 7 is popular, but that also came with some costs as well in terms of the purity of the core combat and game design. I think VF can work to be more broadly appealing, but how it is going to do that should be different than the tekken method of adding slow motion, supers, 2d characters, and come back mechanics.
Actually VF has always been more cutting edge in terms of graphics compared to Tekken. VF always ran on more powerful hardware. The Model 1, 2, and 3, which ran VF1, 2, and 3 respectively, the Naomi 2, which ran VF4, and the Sega Lindburg which ran VF5 absolutely ran circles around the Namco System 11 and System 12 which ran Tekken 1-3, the Namco System 246, which ran Tekken 4 and Namco System 256 which ran Tekken 5.
Virtua Fighter already had slow mo in (VF2 and VF3 you could have replays in slow motion after each round pressing by some buttons) Hit sparks and galaxy explosions doesn't fit the realism and the elegance of VF. It break VF's traditions. Vf use to have realistic effects like Wet clothes (when you rolled into puddles or rang out into water ) steam coming out your mouth in cold stages etc.. No BS lasers and cartoonish PS1 garbage effects . 😭
I've been a VF fanboy since VF2 on the Saturn. Hell, the moment VF5 was announced for PS3 is the day I bought the PS3, lol. VF5US is probably my personal favorite fighting game of all time now, and with the year we've had with new fighters, its just a matter of time before we get VF6.
I'm a complete casual on fighting games in general, so i don't understand when you said here 8:11 that "Virtua Fighter is the last pure 3D fighter because it lacks 2D fighting games mechanics like super moves or meters". You think that a 3D fighting game looses its point by adding this things? Why so? Could you explaind yourself? I'm genuinelly intriged about the subject. Just to clarify, i'm not saying they should add super moves or meters to the next Virtua Fighter, i'm just curious why you think that those mechanics are inherently 2D fighting games and not 3D.
I love VF but we have to admit the graphics are quite outdated. Also, when you hit the other character, the impact isn't there. Feels like it's telling me, not showing, a character being hit. But its not a dealbreaker, just an aspect I think can be improved without changing the essence of the game.
TMM was right about the presentation. It's bland and kept me from wanting to try VF for years. I don't consider myself a Tekken fan or Street Fighter fan but I'm a fighting game fan in general. Hell, my first fighting game was Mace: The Dark Age. The mechanics are perfect and the series doesn't need to cater to casuals but it needs a fresh coat of paint and music that's as good or better than VF2.
It sucks that VF has never gotten the respect it deserves. At least in the USA.
I know, I was playing it last night and it baffles me how underappreciated it is.
man i have never been a virtua fighter person out of early saturn days. When I tried this VF5 on PS5 i was directly hooked. This is the less feature-rich fighter yet the more engaged I have been with the core online experience. I sure prefer it over Tekken 7 or 8, it is just so satisfying to play.
yes VF5 i think is the best version of the system. I love VF4 as well, but it doesn't flow as well as 5. That's a good thing though, considering how long Sega have been working on and refining 5 :-)
@@Aceskies There's no rage, rage drive, supers, ex attacks, drive impact, drive rush to save your ass. It's straight brawling, no fluff. VF 5 US/FS is the balanced fighting game you will EVER play!
Almost every match in this game is so pleasing to watch because the animations are so fluid and the physics have a satisfying weight to it
VF is a very technical beast. I'm not surprised someone who favors mechanics would like it a lot. The characters have a lot of personality in their playstyles too.
Absolutely!!! I'm going to make a video pretty soon about the Fighting system in comparison to tekken's in detail! And yes I love how fundamental the design of the game is.
AND the characters have far way more coherence between each others. Not like the Tekken clown-fiesta.
@@VenusFlycastwell for a bunch of clowns they sure made it top of the list of fan favorite so there you have it
What's so amazing about VF is how much it puts the onus of the game back on the player. You truly feel like it's player versus player, not character versus character. If you understand the system mechanics, you understsnd Virtua Fighter. And that's when the beauty of the game truly starts to present itself.
That is a great summary of the game mechanics. Yes there are some sort of match up type of stuff probably, but that's so small and adjustable that essentially it's much more about you understanding the other player's preferences than what their character is up to. Since the move sets for all the characters are so fluid and adaptable.
@TheElectricUnderground And EVERY move in a character's moveset is useful and important. You don't get as much bloat as you would see in something like Tekken. It all flows and works together, which is like poetry to watch.
I will always respect a company that fights to preserve its gameplay roots instead of selling the essence of their franchise to satisfy the masses! This game is just brilliant because I hate when you can just mash the buttons and win anyway. This game is made in a way, that you will feel a significant progress after playing it- you learn to feel the game instead of just memorising lines of input like in Tekken. When it comes to pure gameplay, this game should be celebrated as a king of all fighters because nobody realises how much work needs to be put into balancing such precise games, whereas tekken is just memorise a few long lines and that’s it. Tekken is like Two people yelling their best arguments at each other without understanding. Virtua Fighter is about two gentleman carefully listening and replying/arguing accordingly. Tekken is a circus showdance, VF is like Tango! You need to sync with this game and once you do, you won’t wanna dance anything else:)
damn right shit
Don't cater to the casuals or the masses like you said it's going to end up dead simple as that, VF used to be king 3D not anymore It has been replaced, It's a Legend of revolutionizing 3D but even students can surpasses the Master, times are changing if your not on that focus on casual train then you'll be left behind
@@shenelljohnson74 So you claim it’s better to sacrifice game quality, depth and challenge for the sake of satisfying the masses?! I would rather be left behind with quality content then be a monkey that follows latest trends-because those are not here to challenge you, but to play with your superficial senses. Everything is about making money and people are just a product. Those who won’t see it will be the ones who kill good quality gaming. It’s like saying it’s better to have an average teacher and all students who pass with C’s than having a hard teacher who pushes even 5% to A’s but let’s part of the class fail. Obstacles help us evolve, and feeding our comfort zones just prolongs our ignorance. Which is better? I think the gaming trends are clear and I wish gaming studios went more for quality content than sales, and if this is the trend, then it’s RIP great games, and I will rather avoid modern meaningless and lazy game design and enjoy the great stuff from the past. With the trends today, new gen of lazy developers will hardly ever surpass the great designers from the past. Just look on CZcams at: Soul ve Soulless Resident Evil 4 comparison! Greatly shows how even top studios today don’t have the same touch for detail, not mentioning the lazier game design. The same can he said about Super Mario 3 vs Mario Wonder- the challenge slowly disappears and game become so superficial. I hope you can see what I mean and that more players will realize that we should voice our opinions louder to save high quality gaming- arcade design hadpurpose in balancing difficulty, which is gone today and replaced by meaningless running, expanding the world but decreasing game density, monetisation in everything, decreasing challenge so that people do t complain about difficulty-all bad marketing. Back then you had to learn,nowadays a spoiled brat will cry that a game is too hard and can create a wave of hate. Devs today are influenced by social media and their creative process is thus influenced-not in a good way. I feel now we have a decline in good gaming and it’s gonna be more and more rare to play as great games as before.
@@kagemara277 What you should have done put a paragraph on everything on why bandai namco do what they do and this is why they're better Not everybody has the same IQ not everybody has the same brain not everybody thinks the same If you don't dumb down your games casuals and others will not play it and it will be left behind in history All because of the name of nostalgia BS but I suppose your pride your ego loves to mess up games like that for good.. The thing is about Tekken 8 is you still need to to do execution your NOT gonna win by simply just smashing buttons it still takes skills dumbing it down won't hurt the game it's actually good sense there series still continues, matter of fact you calling yourself a VF fan You should never be a VF fan from the start if you have a simple close mindset, which is disgusting, put it like this You get to have your old VF game while other's could still play the VF, the new generation the new era it should be dumb down it should be crator to the casuals and the masses on there behalf, put it like this Don't look at it as VF Just look at it in a whole completely different 3D that way others can have a shot of playing it just like old heads said Tekken is dead after 7 they move on and stick with the old Tekken instead worrying about new installment That's what you need to do pretend VF is dead and move on
It's a fighting game you press buttons until the enemy dies. Idk what psudo shit your spewing rn but all fighting games in any match you are memorizing combo this post doesn't make sense to me
I didn't 'get into' Virtua Fighter until 4EVO for PS2 because that training mode was mindblowing. I was a Tekken bro since part one, mowed lawns in the summer heat to save up and get a Playstation 1 so I could experience Tekken. I was pretty good. Most folks that talked shit about me playing Tekken at worst had me in a draw with them, even guys that studied frames. I didn't study a single goddamned frame situation in Tekken yet I could 'feel' the bits of the characters I played over time that just 'seemed to work' and thus you build a strategy around those moves that just seem to get away with murder in terms of priority and range.
Virtua Fighter is just stacks and stacks and stacks of meta games of rock paper scissors and each character's tackling of those metagames is just...idk, i love games that have a simple ruleset that has infinite explorability. And to me, that's Virtua Fighter. The way I explain it to folks who ask me what I think about the two, I say Tekken is checkers. It's really fun, it can get really competitive, but Virtua Fighter is chess and between checkers and chess, only one of those games is internationally known to be taken extremely serious not only by players, but by statisticians, etc. It's that kind of game.
This video convinced me to buy the game. From a Tekken player, thankyou for clearly explaining Virtual fighters worth.
What's hilarious about this is that Harada himself is one of the biggest VF fans out there, so much so that Tekken always has and will continue to be inspired by the VF series, even recently the new mechanic that was added to Tekken 7 (wall crump/stagger) and Tekken 8's new Arcade Quest are direct inspiration from VF4/Evolution.
When it comes to Tekken and VF, I will never understand how someone can like one yet not the other.
cuz fighting games are not all about two model's start fighting in an arena! thats the problem with virtua fighter!
Harada is a fan of many things he did a VF in Tekken 4 already it failed miserably until he decided to rise the bar in 5 which was smartest decision because Tekken is not supposed to be a VF 2.0
Inspired?
Tekken's director was Seichi Ishii....who was the director of Virtua Fighter under producer Yu Suzuki
He then went on to make Tobal
I had only tried the training modes and got confused before, but I gave the game another go thanks to this video and so far I LOVE IT. There's a lot of fun from just getting the basics and mashing buttons from there, but you can feel the additional depth at your fingertips waiting to be explored.
Comparing to my experience with Tekken, there's far less character matchups I need to keep track of thanks to the smaller roster (not a popular selling point but it can make a game easier to learn). There's no required Korean back dashing. The ring-outs make sidesteps and your overall position on the stage matter beyond wall combos. And the moments you can't control your character are very short, giving you little time to think so you have to rely more on fighting with your instinct rather than planning.
It feels great to find a 3D fighting game that I enjoy, with a community that I can still engage with.
Yes exactly! VF is a really fun game to get into once you give it a chance :-)
Totally agree with you. VF6 needs to be a pure 3d fighter. No gimmicks no bs just pure fighter on fundamentals
I really appreciate your more thorough approach to fighting game reviews even if they are late to the surge of popularity. Almost no-one ever seems to understand that people who stream a particular game or make their "money"/influence from it are going to be very biased.
Exactly dragon, exactly. And they are gonna be blind fanboys for one series, then it s probably not best to start suddenly having high standards for other series XD
I just subscribed. Thank you for defending VF and speaking on what VF5 has to offer if players have the patience to learn. I grew up playing all the top fighters, and Tekken is always fun but VF has some charm that I love. I always say it's my favorite fighting game in FGC circles.
damn right shit
Badly needed on PC... and they already made the PC version too, it's running in arcade machines in Japan right now. Also Sony's funding didn't stop SFV on PC so it seems like it's just Sega being Sega. Even releasing it late at this point would be a good idea to catch people in the transition from Tekken 7 to 8 or maybe burning out from Strive or something. Free me by porting this please Sega…
Yes I d love to see it on PC as well! PC would really help expand the player base
VF nailed the one thing every other fighting game has been trying to desperately do in the age of accessibility obsession. The concept of Complexity through simplicity. 3 button fighter, there aren't many motion inputs, the only really hard character to use is Akira which is ok if he's the sole hard character to use. Everyone has a throw game, VF doesn't have totally useless strings like in Tekken which become obsolete after the green ranks. And Side stepping actually works ladies and gentlemen! Ring outs and throws are your comeback mechanics.
And it's actually a more aggressive game than Tekken...just saying, you don't need the developers adding a braindead mechanic like the heat system in T8 in order to force aggressive play with more moronic 50/50s.
If VF6 had cool new edgy characters and badass character redesigns of the legacy cast then i think VF would be significantly more popular among the casual audience with the visual presentation alone.
Yeah it s so funny how virtua fighter has already achieved such a strong balance of aggression and defense and it doesn't need a bunch of patched over mechanics like most other fighting games
@TheElectricUnderground lol T8 added chip damage because Harada doesn't like it when good players block too much. VF doesn't need all that artificial hype. Lol how can Tekken heads make fun of VF when their game turned into a joke every year after season 3 launched? Lol do you remember when the first T8 details were released and they said supers weren't going to be launch punishable? LMFAO
Open world quest mode, edgy and sexy newcomers, character re'designs and honestly i wouldn't mind if they did a Tekken 3 and replaced a couple of the old cast.
@@mikeg4490 wouldn't mind if taka and lau were left out tbh.
@majortom331 i feel VF6 should do a Tekken 3 tbh. Maybe get swap out a couple of legacy characters with younger, hotter, edgier newcomers. Shun Di can definitely go. You cant tell me that character would appeal to anyone born past the year 2000.
@@mikeg4490but drunken boxing is cool though everyone loves Drunk fist. He is irreplacable. Young character doing that style doesnt have the same vibe. Jackie "Lei Wulong" Chan is the exception not the rule.
Virtua Fighter 5 is not only one of the greatest fighting games ever made, it’s also the last truly great Sega game, and marks the end of the classic Sega era. It’s like a beautiful swan song.
Older VFs used to have the verses mode against AI. It was called Kumite/Quest mode back in VF4/Vanilla VF5
Oh yes for sure! Quest mode is awesome. What I was referring to though was a simple VS cpu mode, like how you can have a vs mode against other players. For some reason there has not been an option to simply select a cpu character and fight it in a match.
Compared to Tekken, Virtua Fighter was always too sophisticated to be commercially successful. But for those who can appreciate that depth, it’s extremely rewarding. I’m a fan ever since VF2 :)
yeah and it's not just that it's sophisticated, I think the main barrier to it being commercially viable is how fundamental it is. Like is said the key to tekken being popular (outside of stuff like presentation, which I think VF5 looks great so that's not an issue) is the amount of big sticks the game has for new players. Like in tekken, you can get stupidly far in that game just spamming moves and running a really basic set play over and over. Whereas in VF, your gonna get blown up for that, but the answers on how to play well are more overall fighting game concepts, rather than in tekken where you can just practice a 30 hit combo for 40% damage.
@@TheElectricUnderground Turns out people like the instant gratification of button mashing more than learning the intricacies of a complex system ;)
Its a beautiful franchise indeed. Too bad its gone and it doesnt seem to be coming back.
What terrible elitism. You deserve to get shat on when acting like you’re better than the masses to explain why Virtua Fighter isn’t popular.
They'd been making VF gradually easier as the series went on and especially with VF5: Final Showdown (which Ulitmate Showdown is a remaster of). I'd argue Tekken 7 is harder than VF5:FS and much more complicated and yet it's been very successful. VF used to be very hard but Sega making it so much easier with the later versions hasn't changed things. There's a lot more to it.
VF's problem is that when its hot none of the actual VF players get a voice like we should, we need a big push for actual VF players to speak on VF. The fact that someone said it has no neutral(TK player), (anime player said) easy combos, and (typical non-VF players) try to base it off other games instead of actually learning the game. Another thing is funny how such a trash game had such an amazing GF at Evo Japan and it has no comeback mechanic something a lot of new school folks hate on. Also, we as a community are quite welcoming for the most part, are we perfect no but if you want games folks will help and you can play anyone usually as long as they are on and in the lobby folks are chill. As for someone who went to Jaan and played the Japanese VF players they are some of the most down-to-earth and kindest people ever VF is my favorite game due to the life journey I was able to embark on. I had the honor to meet a lot of Japanese players and man I am happy to have made so many friends. Also, people say they want VF6 but why most people don't play what they are given, I want VF6 BADLY but in the business sense it isn't sound to do so. Another thing I love about VF5US is that it references the Old Club Sega the replay feature on the min screen was something they did at the arcade before that closed down. I love this game so much but man I can't make already a big comment bigger. I will say I am very happy for this video and I look forward to playing you as well thanks for sharing your beloved opinion on one of our favorite games.
Yes I agree completely! There does need to be a public presence for the VF players. I love the series and am more than happy to talk about it, but it would be great if there were dedicated VF channels out there that could help defend the game
Back when virtual fighters 2 was new in arcades it was the most popular fighting game, at a time when Street fighter, Tekken, Mortal Kombat, Soul Edge were also in the same arcades...
When VF2 hit the arcades it was as if it was from another planet… blew my mind completely.
I'm friends with some socal VF players and play a bit, but I think most people can't really talk about the game in general. VF in general is.... complex, and people try to approach the series like Tekken, but even in VF2 it was nothing like Tekken (3TB is godlike btw)
I like Tekken but Virtua Fighter is special.
Yeah I like Tekken as well! The Tekken fans need to get off their high horse though, them looking down on VF is a total joke
The mainman definitely doesn't represent veteran Tekken players. He's a joke.
Sometimes less is more in my opinion. I like Tekken, it just feels like a bit much at times. Too many characters, many of them I couldn’t care less about, and too much going on with all the magic, projectiles, all that stuff. I love the strictly hand to hand style of VF, and the animations are so buttery smooth.
I love Virtua Fighter 5. I'm terrible at it but I love the crunchy/heavy hit effects. I feel like I have to be so careful with every move I do which I feel makes the game challenging to master. I never understood the emotional angst gamers have towards fighting games they dislike. I like so many of them for different reasons.
Akira Yuki: "OOOAH!"
_rock explosion sfx_
@@MansMan42069 very crunchy haha 😜
At a boy Mark. This is why I love your channel. A lot of people shit on this game, but the truth is it's not that bad at all. The controls are tight, the gameplay solid, and it forces players to sidestep in order to get good.
Yes it s absurd how poorly this game was treated on launch, more of that social media hive mind stuff. People smack talking it without even trying to understand it s system
@@TheElectricUnderground Agree 👍. The fact VF gets such crazy depth from a three button layout is insane!
I saw some Korean or Japanese tournament for this game and it was so hype, honestly one of the coolest esport events I've seen in years. I am a Tekken player but tbh would prefer to jump ship to a new VF title because Tekken has strayed too far from a grounded martial arts sim to crazy anime fighter (aesthetics not mechanics).
I look at Claudio for example, a 'magic user' with a totally invented bs fighting style and the longer and longer and longer combos and just feel like Tekken is being made for an audience that I'm not a part of.
It's crazy because I don't mind damage that comes from juggles (especially crazy high damage from VF), but if you mention disliking how long juggles take in current day Tekken (since they've been getting longer and longer), the replies you get are usually "Tekken has ALWAYS had juggles" and "git gud don't get launched", completely missing the point. VF feels more like Tekken used to than Tekken does now (in terms of grounded combat and combo length).
I took to VF straight away over Tekken, Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat. I rank Dead or Alive in a similar vein too. Never got further than arcade VF3 so never experienced the online gameplay. I'm glad people upload their matches. I have one favourite who comments during gameplay. Highly entertaining. Considering checking a PC version. It's the ONLY game I would play and therefore I couldn't justify purchasing a PS console.
This video is brilliant. Everything I felt, you explained with great articulation. 👍 Thank you for defending such a brilliant game.
Yes this vid is long overdue ha! It s a huge shame that the game was meant with such a closed minded reception
Bring this man back for more FGC content Virtua Fighter is top tier
This is a bit of a long rant but i think it's justified, firstly i'm a long time vf player i do not like final showdown that much, but in your first 30 od seconds you mention about the old compressed sounds ect ect, tekken people have no room to argue and shit on vf, firstly they've been using the same damn animations since tekken 1 with things like the get up kick the running cross chop spring kicks, so how can they shit on vf when they to are using legacy assets, it's all part of what makes each series great, then the common complaint i see from tekken players is "vf feels stiff it looks stiff" it has more movement options than tekken and if you actually played the game for longer than the 2 week twitch views cycle circle jerk you would notice that once you start getting good at vf it's anything but stiff, and then lets remember this about tekken people talk about tekkens "great movement" it's locked behind KBD you can't kbd in tekken the game is actually really clunky and slow, now all the tekken people are jerking namco off about all this AI ghost learning crap VF had this since fucking VF2 ,VF2 amigo on the saturn in 1996, namco introduce it 26 later and it's Revolutionary, the fgc and the whole fanboy thing is a complete joke mark, people are rarely ever objective it's just all fanboy shill rubbish
Amen, brother. Customizations VF4 did it first, bounds and combo extension Vanilla 5 did it and revolutionized it in FS, Beat Tribe came first after that master Cup, Wall bounce VF4 did it first and then Tekken. I like Tekken also I like it a lot and even though I am better at VF my Tekken not weak I am no pro but I usually get to I am alright. overall I find it funny how a game gets so much hate but then the game you like takes from it and the creator Harada himself loves VF. TTT2 I believe he said he swapped all the stages with VF music, DOA is based off Vf, and SF legends like Fudo and Zangief got praised for their skill because of them also playing Virtua Fighter. But VF is trash guys hahahaha
Let’s not forget that tekken wouldn’t even have sidesteps and the movement it’s known for today, if it wasn’t for VF3 inventing those things
@@havocwingplzgId argue Tobal #1 did it first. Directed by the director of the first Virtua Fighter and the first Tekken (Seichi Ishii).
He also improved the grapple function in that game over Tekken and VF.
Only game I seen come close was Konami's Kensei: Sacred Fist (underrated game) with its grappling and reversals.
I have no idea why Tekken remains so simplistic with theirs when Tobal wrote the blueprint almost 30 years ago
But yeah KBD just looks goofy AF to me in Tekken. Just makes the game look choppy and glitchy. Why can't they implement smoother 3D movement it's ridiculous they're purposely keeping in archaic design.
I would love to see a Fighting Ultra Mix...DOA vs Tekken vs VF
The lack of special sparring stops US being my fav, if it had that or quest mode, it would be a done deal, for single player VFFS and VF4Evo are still the benchmark for single player content in fighting games.
Oh yeah that is painful, no doubt about it. For me the improved netplay, graphics, and effects, keep US as the best, BUT, if it had a proper quest mode that would be perfect. So the game is amazing, but yes the lack of a quest mode hurts. And sadly you can't really play the quest mode of vanilla 5 either, since vanilla 5 is SO DIFFERENT from Ultimate Showdown game balance and even movement wise. Vanilla 5 is much more like VF4, so I'd just play VF4 quest mode, which is amazing.
Ha its funny you say that, because after years of playing FS, I finally bought VF5 vanilla this year, and wow it blew my mind, it's style in gameplay is so different, yeah more like VF4, you would think the big shift in game mechanics happened in numbered sequels, but no, VF5 and VFFS is when the leap was made. Although there was Virtua Fighter 5 R, it could have happened there as that game never got a port, I've never played it, even so, its still a big leap. vf4 evo is amazing indeed, I don't think I will ever get bored of playing it, unless vf6 does everything, all the goodness from US with quest mode, I won't need another fighting again if that happens lol. @@TheElectricUnderground
@@newtypepunk9967VF5 R is when the transition happened yea, but there were some growing pains to getting the game in a balanced state. R is notorious for being borderline kusoge with some of the shit the characters got.
I see, that explains why it never got ported then, they still wanted to fine tune things, I'd probably still play it for fun though.@@jktwice8235
Yes, Soul Calibur is in the worst shape because of all the bloat. Meters, soul charge, supers, GI tied to meter, counter hits on movement, guard break attacks, guard crush, lethal hits, just guard, reversal edge... 3d fighting games are complex enough without all of this. Everything they do piles rewards on players for mindless aggression. I don't want to manage resources, I want to read and outwit the other guy. In SC2 I could block the other guy all day, it was tense and fun opening people up; now even in Tekken there's chip damage.
I just want a pure 3d fighter to play without resources. Virtua Fighter adding meter would be pretty sad.
Mainman was getting murdered online by pro VF players. That footage he showed was just him playing scrubs new to the game. He was getting his shit pushed back. Hell I murdered him with my Lion and he rage quit on me. Lol
You mean Themainmanswe who does Tekken? You actually bodied him? My man have it there! *Offers a fist bump*
Virtua Fighter is my favorite 3d fighter hands down. Never bothered me that it's less popular. It was a Saturn game. Being less popular was always going to be its doom.
Yes sadly I think the series got really damaged by the fate of Sega generally, but as far as the series itself all the games have been high quality
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Sega needs to Virtua Fighter back.
Absolutely love VF, I first played the series back in 1994, there was a movie theater lobby that VF1 and man it blew my 8 year old mind. I had never seen a 3-D game before and once I played it I was instantly hooked. It’s my favorite 3-D fighting game series of all time, bar none, and one of my top 3 fighting game series overall.
The series is so pure, no gimmicky mechanics, fireballs, lasers, or super moves, just pure hand to hand authentic martial arts with tons of depth and sophistication. I thought it was extremely weird how Tekken fanboys immediately started trying to attack VF5 US when it came out and started trying to put the game down and bury it. It pissed me off because of how much I love the series, and to see these bunch of ignorant fanboys just try to downplay the game in that way really irritated me. I’ve always liked Tekken, not nearly as much as VF, but I’ve always liked it as well, but I have to be honest and say that the Tekken community has some of the most toxic fanboys in the genre. Easily. It’s like they don’t want any other 3-D fighter besides Tekken to thrive and be played. It’s childish.
Anyway thank you for making this video man and for sticking up for an amazing game!
I doubt you still play it because I realize that you said you play it at 8 years old meaning you're looking back as a nostalgia.. eventually you will get burnt out, You will get tired, You will get bored, this is why Tekken would remain on top on a bury game, You guys don't know when to take the nostalgia goggles off
@@shenelljohnson74Man stop it. I don’t know what makes you think I don’t play VF anymore but TRUST me I still do. I said I FIRST played it when I was 8 years old. I’ve been playing the series ever since then. I play VF5 Ultimate Showdown online ALL the time. My love for VF isn’t about nostalgia, it’s because it’s a damn good series, and it has always been much better than Tekken to me.
@@orlanzo2621 I respect your opinion but at the same time I have CZcamsrs just like a VF fan like yourself has the same mindset, like you do and guess what when I went to his channel confronted him about why you're bashing Tekken he said VF was better I was like ok then Gave me reasons why it shits on Tekken so I was like understandable
(I need to look up his channel to link it to you)
but I noticed that he keeps streaming or playing Tekken more than VF I confronted him again and he decided to use insults and vulgar words, trying to adjust his point which didn't make no sense, my thing is this is via for such a great game and everyone loves it so much why is it still not standing why is it not getting any love I mean hell even harada on Twitter said Where's VF 6 everyone's quick to bash Tekken but why is that the only 3D game standing why is it on top of the throne but NOT VF shouldn't VF be the Street fighter of 3D i mean even Street fighter from the past had new developers to improve the game but NOT VF tho doesn't make no sense I respect your opinion on loving the franchise but can't understand why it gets shit on You guys call it a disgrace they sold out but If they follow the same old school formula they know that this game will be dead, matter of fact Tekken is already dead when they sign up for this mechanic y'all dislike so much but guess what..it's still alive what's the point of creating a new product but you know that it will fail if YOU follow pursue of your old mechanics you might as well drop it, if the Sega teams comes out with same old school formula BS again they basically shot themselves in the foot SMH 🤦♂️
@@shenelljohnson74 Well all I know is that I prefer VF to stay VF, meaning I want it to focus on pure authentic martial arts and realism. There’s PLENTY of games out there with lasers, fireballs, comeback mechanics, armored moves, 20 hit juggle combos, flashy colorful hit sparks, etc. I don’t want VF to give into that nonsense. At that point it wouldn’t even be VF anymore and MIGHT AS WELL be dead. I don’t want them selling out to that garbage.
I don’t care about Tekken selling its soul, it jumped that shark a long time ago, but VF, “dead” or not, has always stayed true to its roots and remained unique and kept its integrity. The gameplay is deep, fluid, realistic, and sophisticated. Thats what the series is known for, I never want it to lose that. Ever. I personally couldn’t care less about “the masses” and what they want. The “masses” want easy, flashy, fighting games with a bunch of “waifus” and other nonsense. I’m tired of fans of other games wanting VF to be more like those other games, I mean just play those games instead of trying to ruin VF. VF occupies a special place in fighting games and is a breath of fresh air. So when we get VF6 I hope that it stays true to what VF is, even at the cost of sales to “the masses”. The only thing I want from a new VF are more characters, endings, rollback, and maybe bring the quest mode back from VF4 Evo. I don’t want the gameplay touched at all outside of move additions or something like that. I would hate if they added comeback mechanics and/or super moves.
@@orlanzo2621 well good luck on future VF then like i said you just need to let old VF live and let new VF die
Sick ! We gotta play sometime soon, I gotta get my moneys worth on that Tekken 7 crossover VF outfit pack I got.
ABSOLUTELY DINGO! Let's play this weekend.
I came to know vf5 ultimate showdown through yakuza and i was surprised how much i like this game. I hope there will be a new vf one day. i would jump onboard immediatly
That's really cool! It will be sort of full circle too because if it is made, they will likely use the Yakuza engine ha
Give me Virtua Fighter 6 and Virtua Fighter 4 evolution remastered. And off topic.....Hey Konami... do something with Bloody Roar
This is really interesting. Im a very casual fighting game player and to be honest i had no idea that the virtua fighter series even had such a recent game, nobody seems to talk about it. Ill have to try it out at some point
Yes exactly! And the only people who did talk about it just shut it down without giving it a chance
Well done. Yes I’m like one of the biggest VF content creators for English speakers and can’t compete with those hater videos. Algo does not go Brrrr
I love Virtua Fighter ever since Virtua Fighter 5 vanilla version.
Virtua Fighter deserve a live action movie and Virtua Fighter 6 for Virtua Fighter 30th anniversary.
Ah yes VF5 Vanilla still looks amazing, especially the stages.
Have you ever played VF4 Evolution for the PS2? It’s a classic and Quest mode is a beast.
Jade Cargill or Gillian White should play as Vanessa 💯
That would have been really cool!
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YES! YES! YES!
@@BCDC123
Jade Cargill is on WWE now.
Isn't it odd that SF, Tekken and KOF had a live action film, but not VF. Weird.
0:30 Mainman is unfortunatly king of bad takes, also whats with these toxic takes. We all loved that this game came back into the light.
I will crack open my copy of the VR4 re-release on PS2 someday to play that training mode. When I played VF5 it was in one of the Yakuza games and Judgement, but it didn't make any sense to me at all, and I'm a fighting game fan. I also didn't have Plus at the time so I missed out on getting this for free and scrubbing it out online, is it still active online?
what is your technique for hair styling and what hair product do you use? I really like your hair style
I've never been too much into 3D fighting games. Virtua fighter though, has had me playing hundreds of hours and totally got me into 3D fighting (Virtua fighter 4 and 5 are awesome). This series is so underrated, and doesn't get the love it deserves imo.
absolutely!! Once you play a bunch of VF, you actually can start to see holes in something like tekken where the balance of the game is really lopsided and how the meta needs to take hard right turns around stuff like backdash cancels. Whereas VF the meta is much more directly built into the game, which is impressive.
Agreed
VF4 evo is amazing. It's my 3rd favorite fighter of all time
@@sladejosephwilson2300 Agreed ! Do you think à New VF game could have some success ?
@@candelierremy6906 I hope so
I absolutely love this game. It's my favorite 3D fighter of all time at this point. The package itself is so focused and to the point.. which emphasizes the "purity" of this game IMO.
Yes the UI is fantastic! I love how everything instantly pops into that menu without a bunch of stupid sub menus and stuff. I do wish we had a quest mode or special sparring mode, but other than that I think Ult is top notch as a release.
I wholeheartedly endorse this message. I think if more FGC players went through VF4 Evo's insane training mode, they'd get just how high skill a series this is. Like, maybe the most high skill. It wants you to do things as standard that I didn't think human hands were even capable of (like buffering multiple throws in a split second). As it is too many people think it's just PPK, or Akira if you want to show off.
I believe it was actually in an older interview you did where someone (EXA Arcadia exec?) laid out how VF 5 and its insanely expensive cabs basically destroyed the Japanese arcade industry, so it's understandable why Sega put it into cryo-freeze for a decade. That's also apparently the reason Sega weren't willing to fund a full VF6 without testing the waters first. Which led to why we didn't get rollback, they said they would have had to rebuild VF5's frame code base to make it work (but at least we know they're very aware they need it). On the plus side, those expensive arcade setups had TVs in Japanese game centres streaming matches from around the country, which is the origin of those matches you see on the idle screen.
Yeah but I don't think VF5 is to blame for the fall of Japanese arcades ha, I do remember him saying that in the interview many years ago. I think what happened is the classic tale of sega projecting grown in the arcades, and then the growth didn't happen, and then they were left eating a bunch of losses. Sort of like the launch of the PS3. Overall I think that Sega are starting to finally pull themselves back together a bit (mostly because of yakuza), and so bringing VF into the yakuza engine is a very smart idea. If fighting game players knew a little more about game development other than tweeting at Harada, they hopefully would have seen the merits of this plan ha. But the idea that Sega, who have been dormant with fighting games for like a decade, should just suddenly rush out Vf6 with a new staff who have no idea what they are doing would be a disaster. I think having them work on making this remaster was the right move. It'll pay off in the end when VF6 comes out, which I think it will.
@@TheElectricUnderground And I think you're right!
sega has been talking a lot about the revival of old ips again recently so i'm hopeful. i've never played VF before but have enjoyed some other, older fighting games by sega AM2 before so i'd like to get into it
oh yes VF is such a fun fighting game to get into. For me playing the game never feels like a chore and it has so many things to study and learn. Vs playing tekken and having to spend hours practicing these juggle combos and stuff ha.
Isn't there a credible rumor of a VF6 reveal later this year? Some SEGA/Atlus leaker that has been accurate in the past.
Dude you hit the nail on sound effects and voice samples. The NEGEO limitations produced the some of the most meaty and crunchiest hit sound effects and I loved it!
Music is a bit more subjective as I think there's pretty decent modern fighting game osts. But damn Tekken and SF's (especially 6) OSTs seriously dipped in quality. There's some decent tracks, but they're typically not anything I go my way to search and listen to.
Yes the idea that games need to just use uncompressed sound effects just cuz is ridiculous ha. It's an aesthetic choice and I think it works extremely well in VF. Also there are a lot of great modern game fighting game soundtracks, and they all belong to melty blood lol.
awesome review mark! virtua fighter 5 is a much beloved fighting game. tekken's a great game, but i wasn't able to connect with a 3d fighter as much as i did with how elegant vf is. counter-hit launchers and the game's many unique features (e.g. offensive moves/defensive moves/sabakis/catch throws/styles/stances) are endlessly fun :)
Thank you very much my dude!! Yes, I was playing VF5 last night and shocked at how great the game is and how little attention it gets.
I’m dying for VF to return. Once Tekken added rage and super arts, I kinda fell off it. T8 looks so over the top.
I'd love to know what has been lost and what has been gained since VF2. I love the simplicity of VF2, the pick up and play but hard to master feel. Does ultimate have that soul still?
Yes
People don’t want to admit this but the new single player mode for Tekken is a direct inspiration from VF with their quest mode all the way back in VF4 evo
Oh you know I will def be talking about that in my T8 review. Absolutely
Source would be great tho
I always wonder if we will EVER get another single player mode in a fighting game even 1/10th as good as VF4 Quest mode.... oh well.
Great video! I actually didn't play VF5 that much, so maybe I should change that.
Tekken 8 is copying vf5fs quest mode. They even call it quest mode and it functions the same way lol.
Yeah I miss quest mode so much ha. I really hope we see a vf6 that brings it back. I still do pop in and play vf4 quest mode, but I like the vf5 ult system more so it s a shame it s not there
It's unfortunate that the updated version doesn't have modern sound quality.
I never had interest in VF, but as someone that hated T7, I envy VF fans because they never had their game influenced by outsiders like Tekken has.
With the exception of Tekken 8. Virtua fighter was always the better looking game. It's also more advanced and deeper. I like to see what virtual fighter 6 is going to be
I really appreciate you making this response video to all the VF hate out there. Way too many people Take TMM’s opinions as law.
It isn’t until you fight more experienced VF players that you are introduced to the complexity of its mechanics and movement freedom.
In lower ranks, everyone plays it as if it were Tekken 😂 back dashing will NOT save you in VF, you actually get punished for that in contrast to crouch dashing.
Yes it s insane how one sided the Tekken players were to VF while not acknowledging the weaknesses of their favorite series.
@@TheElectricUnderground Absolutely 💯
Also, Seiji Aoki is currently the Chief Producer of VF. He recently had an interview and shared his thoughts, he understands how important rollback netcode will be for the future of VF and takes pride in the longevity of the combat system. I say it’s a bright future ahead for VF.
I'm so behind learned a lot just watching this thanks sadly don't have a PS atm but hope the next one will come to pc.
What platforms is it on and are there any versions I should avoid?
It's on ps4 and ps5 by extension. If you can, I highly recommend playing it on ps5 due to better load times and faster netspeeds (if you have highspeed internet.)
I'm a Tekken fan. And recently I saw the game virtua fighter.. AND.. I LIKED it.. Honestly, I really liked the characters, the fighting style and their environment, or rather the arenas, which are made in different styles. There's a lot of talk about how Tekken fans don't like VF, but I don't understand why? It's a shame that the game isn't being developed.
Man what is that beginning song? I must know.
It s from the vf5 ost! I forget which one though ha
Jacky Bryant's theme from Virtua Fighter 5 Ultimate Showdown.
You make a great point to just play what isn't popular, because that's pretty much the vast majority of fighting games; I definitely fall into this trap. But setting aside that ego and getting bodied over and over by people who play that niche fighting game a ton before you can stand a chance to play, can be so so difficult D:
Oh i know! It's still something I struggle with because it's so much easier to get into a game that is relevant and all that.
Can wholeheartedly agree that dropping VF6 after such time away would have been a bad move.
I feel the same way about Melty Type Lumina. It just came out, and still hasn't quite caught up to MBAACC. They needed an interim entry. Like how VF did here, or SNK did with KOFXII.
Yes exactly! I think gamers need to stop throwing fits about mid series releases an understanding their benefits
Love Virtua Fighter, but lets be honest. SEGA has got to put big money towards this franchise if it evers want to see it close to being a rival to TEKKEN again. TEKKEN was in a very situation in 2017 ironically when 7 dropped. VF has to revamp their whole universe if they want consumers to care about their next release if it ever comes. They have the core gameplay that can be addicting and fun. They just have to give a fuck about the rest of the package that comes with it. So many characters and I dont know anything about them. Compared to Tekken where they at least give you a story mode and arcade intros and outros along with lore.
Great review and justice back for that remaster ! Yes vf6 obviously won't reach the same amount of players as tekken 8 but if the game is really wellrounded and provide rollback, solid and smooth matchmaking like sf6, and at last a story fucking mode to appeal casuals, it can be the most successful virtua fighter to date, i believe. Its core gameplay and spirit make vf a good alternative to Tekken.
Lets get more and more people to play. I'm down to host rooms for anyone.
It's kind of funny, when I started getting into fighting games in the early 2000s, Virtua Fighter as a franchise was highly respected and regarded as the pro-3D fighter of choice (at least in my German internet circles). Even though, yeah, Tekken was always the big boy. Tekken 3 was huge, even non-fighting fans were playing it.
I'm not sure what hurt the franchise the most then, maybe the Dreamcast port of 3 which honestly should have been a lot better..it got overshadowed by Soul Calibur and Dead or Alive 2 as a 3D fighter on a SEGA console and I think after the importance of VF2 for Saturn, this kind of put the series in an awkward position. VF4 on PS2 came at a time when the market was oversaturated and the genre on life support. I got VF5 with my PS3 back then and this and Dead or Alive 4 on 360 were my go-to 3D fighters for some time (though truth be told, I didn't play them as much as I played games from earlier gens).
Ultimate Shodown to me felt more like a "let's preserve this game as a high quality SEGA legacy title" than "let's bring it back big time". But I think SEGA should bring the franchise back in some way after SF6 and Tekken 8 are out. I truly believe there is a space open for a second 3D fighting franchise, especially one that feels so radically different to Tekken and with Soul Calibur and Dead or Alive also currently out of the equation.
I really do think we will see a vf6. I think the success of Yakuza has made that more possible than ever. That's why I don't think it s a coincidence they used the Yakuza engine for vf5 ult. I think it s the perfect foundation for vf6
@@TheElectricUnderground Yakuza-franchise seems to be the place to go for SEGA-Arcade enthusiasts with all the classics it celebrates and brings back these days (and it's the current franchise with the strongest classic SEGA vibe). So I agree, and hope that this will happen one way or another.
Is this game a good entry point? It looks pretty fun, But I've never played virtua fighter.
Can someone tell me if this game is any good on PS5? Any disadvantages or missing features on PS5?
Ultimate Showdown is also missing Replay Mode for some reason. Not the match viewer from the main screen, but the mode that was in FS where you can save any online OR offline match for playback later, with on-screen command inputs and frame data.
Yeah it's crazy. I felt FS was lacking in options compared to vanilla VF and VF4 EVO but US is even more lacking.
What's also crazy is I played FS today and was surprised I was getting online matches.
Some dedicated players out there.
Same with Super SFIV and even SFxTekken on PS3.
Free online still and all I guess.
Sure beats spending $80 a year for it haha
None for VF2 or Fighting Vipers on PS3 though.
Missing costumes and Dural being a NPC. Bring them back those two too.
@@budgiecat9039You're absolutely right, US is the most lacking VF game since VF1.
@@Ryowhosakazaki it's annoying and makes worried about Virtua Fighter 6 content if that's ever announced.
I hope Sega doesn't get as bad as their adopted company Atlus is ( have you seen their Persona 3 Reload pricing? Ugh)
I played tekken and virtua some in nearly when I was in 7th or 8th grade and love both but tekken was the game for me, and now I realise virtua fighter has some in depth game, ,which require in depth mind and soul, just like a human being thinks and does when he is conscious, for me it's really getting my conscious state to get more conscious,and tekken is fun but in sub concious way , and it's goes in dream which is only a dream, but virtua fighter is reality, which in end both game r my favourite way of dealing with life it's really intriguing and satisfying to just start the game any given free time.
It's sad there's no PC version for VF5 Ultimate or any other VF5. I hope they bring VF6 to PC .
I really would like to get in to VF, but there’s the monetary issue of not owning the hardware required.
You have a very excellent taste, bro❗
The Tekken fan base is toxic and most of them don't care about the 3D fighting genre(I wish I was lying). I hope to see a new Virtua Fighter or DOA in the future.
Lmao good luck because it'll be 2030 or 2040 if they'll happen lol😂
Interesting. I want to like VF5 and I have it on my Steam Deck.
I'm going to start playing it more and make some content about it.
Oh I think you might be able to play it on deck via the PS3 emu, it runs really well on that emulator
@@TheElectricUndergroundyes that is what im using 😊
What controller do you use for Shmup Games on Nintendo Switch?
I love Tekken and Virtua Fighter. I just like all fighting games
The hitbspark introduce in Virtual fighter ultimate showdown is underrated. As some one who very bad at reconizing things on the fly, hitspark give a decent tell what just occure
Edit: in fact one of my biggest grip with Cuphead game is the lack of hitspark or enemy hitstune animation. The highlight is not good enough imo.
Tekken overdoes it with the hitspark spam and multicolored auras and hits sounding like bomb just went off each time.
He agrees on 'hitsparks' being included, but thinks the compressed SFX is fine and that "everyone does it!" Granted this video seems old but Tekken 8 was right around the corner by then. Surely he'd need to compare VFFS to the newest iteration rather than the previous one. Hope by time VF6 rolls around a lot of decade-long overdue updates are implemented.
After that clip you showed of mainmanswe, now I know why aris makes fun of him everytime hes brought up 😅
Yes I think he tries to copy Aris's vibe a bit and it just doesn't go well ha. Aris smack talked VF5 but he also fully smack talks tekken, so it's a lot more fair on his side of things. VS a lot of the tekken guys who don't want to talk about the issues with tekken, but are fully willing to steamroll VF.
thats very nice and all, but... where is the pc version of this?
If with this remake, they wanted to really see how much reception it got from players... why is there no pc port?
Its ridiculous. I love virtua fighter, but when i saw that this was the case, i knew they just wanted in for a quick buck... then you realize it is free for psplus exclusive... so whats even the point of it?????
It was used to gage interest in the game and it was probably funded by Sony
The only fighting game I've ever had fun just watching tournament footage of is VF5.
Oh yes absolutely. I love watching VF5 matches. That's why that player thing in the menu is so great, because in between whatever you are up to you can just casually spectate some high level matches ha.
I've Been A Sega Man Since The Master System.
I've Been A Fan Of Virtua Fighter Since VF1.
Virtua Fighter Is A Thinking Man's Fighting Game.
Good Video!
Nice!
I purchased VF5 a few weeks ago. Unfortunately have only played about two hours 😅
I think 'Tekken Bros' are indeed very superficial. This due to how the series had always been at the cutting edge ... in pure polygon count ... to awesome cutscenes etc.
I think the critiques of VF5 are as much about a frustration of this perceived 'lack' in VF5 as it means the series won't itself be taken seriously.
Tekken fans know what irrelevance means (when fighting games were waning, when it struggled against SFIV, Tag 2s failure). Heck the initial emergence of 3D fighters made 2D fighters somewhat irrelevant in the first place... add onto the fact that Tekken has no 3D peers (DOA = dead, SoulCaliber = dead). It has been a sad state of affairs.
So they take it very seriously ... even if it is in some sense superficial 😢🎉
Yes i agree, but I think the Tekken players are far too willing to sacrifice certain aspects of 3D fighter philosophy, at least in terms of what VF values, in order to be popular. There is no doubt that Tekken 7 is popular, but that also came with some costs as well in terms of the purity of the core combat and game design. I think VF can work to be more broadly appealing, but how it is going to do that should be different than the tekken method of adding slow motion, supers, 2d characters, and come back mechanics.
Actually VF has always been more cutting edge in terms of graphics compared to Tekken. VF always ran on more powerful hardware. The Model 1, 2, and 3, which ran VF1, 2, and 3 respectively, the Naomi 2, which ran VF4, and the Sega Lindburg which ran VF5 absolutely ran circles around the Namco System 11 and System 12 which ran Tekken 1-3, the Namco System 246, which ran Tekken 4 and Namco System 256 which ran Tekken 5.
This is 7,49€ right now. Didn't think twice.
the last non update version of vrtua fighter was virtua fighter 5 it was released in 2007
One of the best fighting games out there. Very well balanced on every aspect and it just feels like real fighter. Superb
Virtua Fighter already had slow mo in (VF2 and VF3 you could have replays in slow motion after each round pressing by some buttons)
Hit sparks and galaxy explosions doesn't fit the realism and the elegance of VF. It break VF's traditions.
Vf use to have realistic effects like Wet clothes (when you rolled into puddles or rang out into water ) steam coming out your mouth in cold stages etc.. No BS lasers and cartoonish PS1 garbage effects . 😭
I've been a VF fanboy since VF2 on the Saturn. Hell, the moment VF5 was announced for PS3 is the day I bought the PS3, lol. VF5US is probably my personal favorite fighting game of all time now, and with the year we've had with new fighters, its just a matter of time before we get VF6.
Excellent video Mark
Thank you my dude!!!
I'm a complete casual on fighting games in general, so i don't understand when you said here 8:11 that "Virtua Fighter is the last pure 3D fighter because it lacks 2D fighting games mechanics like super moves or meters". You think that a 3D fighting game looses its point by adding this things? Why so? Could you explaind yourself? I'm genuinelly intriged about the subject.
Just to clarify, i'm not saying they should add super moves or meters to the next Virtua Fighter, i'm just curious why you think that those mechanics are inherently 2D fighting games and not 3D.
TEU doing the Lord's work 😂😂
good video is rare younger player understand everything is happent with this game
I love VF but we have to admit the graphics are quite outdated. Also, when you hit the other character, the impact isn't there. Feels like it's telling me, not showing, a character being hit. But its not a dealbreaker, just an aspect I think can be improved without changing the essence of the game.
TMM was right about the presentation. It's bland and kept me from wanting to try VF for years. I don't consider myself a Tekken fan or Street Fighter fan but I'm a fighting game fan in general. Hell, my first fighting game was Mace: The Dark Age. The mechanics are perfect and the series doesn't need to cater to casuals but it needs a fresh coat of paint and music that's as good or better than VF2.
I LOOOOVE the depth of gameplay but darn I wish they kept the single player content!