A sliding table saw that fits in a box?
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- čas přidán 10. 06. 2024
- Festool's new CSC SYS 50 is one of the coolest items they have released in recent years. This table saw is packed with awesome features that you aren't going to find in any other job site saw. If you want to learn more about this new tool visit www.festoolusa.com
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I bought it on launch day, and have no regrets. In an apartment in a city with a shared garage, everything else is too big. Having a table saw wasn't an option at any price point. The ability to use this indoors with stellar dust collection is revolutionary for the hobbyist limited by space.
I’m in the exact same boat bud! 🤝 getting mine tomorrow.
Use the in an apartment and be ready for complaints from your neighbors
@@jonreeves3993 It's quieter than the CT26 at full suction, so unless it's late at night I honestly don't think you'd get any complaints. My neighbors are definitely having louder parties than my woodworking.
I run a 10' box truck with a bulkhead (service body) so I can fit sheet goods, every tool... stuff for different jobs etc. But I also keep a storage unit where I have light and power the size of a one car garage. I have had a folding Ryobi 10" on wheels for ever. Usually it's been easier to break out the Makita 18v and a track. If I did picture frames or more small stuff I'd still be happy with my cheap table saw.
This stuff looks like it belongs in an operating theater! Obviously I want all the stuff they make but I do very well with what I have working like the uban gorilla that I am.
Limited by the cost 😂 for me
I know this is a job site table saw but I wish they would make a corded one so I don't need to purchase 2 batteries with it. On the other hand this is an amazing saw with lots of options to make your work easier.
Agreed. Even my Ridgid fan has both a 18v battery option and a 120-volt plug to accept an extension cord.
A corded solution for making this saw plug to mains is coming (think along the lines of the plug-it for the cordless sanders, but different - saw a picture of it out there).
@@bestyoutubernonegraternumber1 That's exactly what it needs. There is honestly no excuse for not offering this as a possibility, from any of the tool manufacturers. I remember when DeWalt released the Flexvolt they claimed they couldn't do an adapter. Well if Hikoki/Hitachi can make it happen for 36V, clearly they could make it happen for 60V.
Does it have saw-stop finger saving tech?
A cool feature worth pointing out: You can pull back the rip fence so it is in front of the blade and use it as a stop for the cross cut fence. This way you have precise, repeatable cuts that don't bind up and kick back on you. There are also third-party flip stops for the slider fence that will allow repeat cross-cuts from the other direction. When you combine that with the side support provided by the hand truck, you have preempted the need for a miter saw in many (but not all) scenarios faced by a cabinet maker or trim carpenter.
The smallest SawStop 10” compact would be the best choice for a small shop. But this would do for sure. This Festool would be so good for any travelling work. The smallest compact table saws are still quite large to take in and out of the truck/van all the time. This Festool would be epic for any cabinet installation onsite.
This is exactly what I use this saw for, millworker installation. Perfect for cutting filler pieces and misc trim. Was using a Milwaukee cordless before this but the way this packs down makes it my preferred saw since I have limited space in my truck. If you’re looking for a saw for a shop there are better options for much less money.
I can easily see this as the go-to saw for the trim carpenter. As well as the answer for the tiny, power-challenged shops. Combine this with the track saw and you have a complete system. Great video, Bent. Thank you.
Great overview of the saw and summary of the pros and cons, Jason. The best I’ve seen. Thank you for putting this out.
You’re welcome
Great review, I just used mine for the first time today and it is very smooth to operate. The dust collection is good and I noticed how quite the saw is when running it. Works nicely with the festool work app . Over all very satisfied with my purchase.
Oh...Festool, you get my heart pumping with new products.
the smallest table saw with the biggest price!! Great performance, however, especially in terms of precision. Nice review!👍👍
I like it & think it’s worth the price when they hybridize the power, like on their cordlesss sander which I purchased & am pleased with. If you have a readily available outlet & it’s known to you unlike a job site outlet that trips & then having to reset the breaker but where is it, you should have the option to plug it in. Same with the cordless dust extractor: I’ll buy it when it’s hybridized.
I just got this with 4x 8.0Ah and table. Extremely impressed so far. Mine has given me really accurate cuts and it’s been such a pleasure to use.
This and the TS 60 K make for a formidable duo.
Love mine! As far as battery-life, I recently made a small bookcase out of Australian hardwood and had plenty of life for the whole job. I'd estimate probably about 60mins of cutting time ( I had a lot of dado's to cut and rebates). I've got a few other batteries so it was never an issue to keep a couple on the charger JIC.
engineers hit a homerun with this.
That thing is amazing, can’t afford it but your review was balanced and well done.
I'm more impressed than I thought I would be. Impressive. I don't think it's for me. But I can see it being a great addition. What a neat table!
Purchased to replace my job site table saw. Great product and quickly added the bench dog fence, which I strongly recommend for anyone needed to make measured or repeat crosscuts.
I'd love to see Milwaukee come out with a direct competitor to this that fits in the packout system. A benchtop sliding table saw is just such a cool idea. Tools like this keep me having a look over the fence at Festool, but their prices bring my ambitions back down to earth. I'd love to see a more reasonably priced tool from Milwaukee that a DYIer can still justify.
Thank you!
Can't wait to get mine. It's been 2 weeks since I ordered it and am chomping at the bit to get it. I currently live in an apartment but also have the ability to cut on job sites and at my storage shed. I am only tinkering making small boxes and furniture and the size is perfect. Will eventually get back into a house where I'll invest in a bit saw once I have the space. Being Festool I know it will be good, but saying that they did make a mistake with their cordless rotary hammer drill by not including the chisel function. Really want the Conturo next.
Greet video Jason , this saw just has so many pro’s on its side ,it’s just a no brainer.
Hi Brent.
I would like to say I love the way you present your videos. I also like the look of your workshop.
Festool are a wonderful make of tool but I find them to expensive here in the UK. I still love watching your videos though.
Yours with kind regards, Wayne.
I'm somewhat enthused about the saw.But the right hand blade tilt during a bevel rip looks like a kickback problem.Great tutorial video!
Great video - informative as always - Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching!
As always, a great review Jason. When they lunched it in Europe and Peter Millard demo it, I went to my local highend wood shop that are Festtool dealer as well, and asked them about it. I was told that this saw is European release only and it will not be sold in US. I end up buying Dewalt DWE7485 which I regret it fully. And then this saw became available in US. Talking about being pissed, Yes I am 😖
this is why you shouldn't list to your local dealer, they're not Festool
They said "Europe-only" because they didn't have one yet to sell and wanted an immediate sale on something they DID carry. Deceptive at the least.
Wow, what a cool little table saw! Love the controls and table slider; makes my DeWalt look archaic. I'm hoping festool brings some of these high-tech features to a future kapex. Great review! New subscriber here.
The DeWalt is still an awesome tool.
Good review of this amazing tool
excellent presentation - thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Super cool tool, lot’s of functionality in a small package. Thanks for sharing Jason!
It sure is!
I can't get over the rip capacity and lack of finger saving tech.
This is in sawstops' family...
I can the need for this...along with tracksaw, and Kapex...along with systainer hepa vac with dust chamber...and all store nice and neat! I just might be a future Festooler!
You have me wanting one now!
Looks pretty neat. Happy New Year!
Same to you brother
I love it, making boxes will be awesome.
👍👍
Just made a miter folded humidor. The cleanest miters I’ve ever cut! Love that sliding table!!
I'm convinced. I'm ordering one.
You won’t regret it. The saw is outstanding
This is pretty cool for people who need to save space and still have lots of capability. Not for me, I have the space and power for a full size saw. But I’m
Sure lots of people will enjoy it.
Haven't seen a review on this but have seen it in action and it's awsome...you could case a window and trim it out with just the saw..super nice saw...
Great review. Right tilt blade is deal breaker.
Great review. Thank you so much! I think you might have helped me decide to buy this saw. And, I bet if you had the blade guard on, it would catch a little more of that dust.
great home owner tools
I don’t need one as I have the CS70 set plus the dewalt flexvolt and two track saws but I want one😊
Thank you for your review, I learned a lot of great information! Question: is this saw capable of dado blade setup?
I don’t currently own any Festool products but you sir are slowly converting me into making the plunge. Top notch videos and you answer all the questions I usually have.
You won't regret it. I started off w a drill and once I realized how well its built, the collection grew.
Fitting kitchens and bathrooms in the uk this will be a gem.. mainly because of the tiny footprint
Nice!
Saw the demo a couple weeks ago. This will be a nice setup for a hobbiest. Just remember all the P's for storage.
Even a professional finish carpenter could get some usage out of this table saw.
@@ericwilliams538nah pro's use hand saws 😂
First time noticing it's a right tilt blade so it always cuts towards the fence which can get dangerous if you don't have the right outfeed support
I wish they will make one day electric one.
Great video and awesome looking portable tablesaw system. I'm not in the Festool ecosystem but this product could get their toe in the door. Being cordless, does the saw have some way to signal the dust extractor to turn on and off?
Yes, if you have a festool extractor equipped with Bluetooth
Remarkably quiet. And the saw didn't bog down on thick hardwood. Excellent dust collection.
Is it worth $1,500 - $2,000?
For some people, anything more than a handsaw can't be justified. It depends solely on your needs.
@@AaronGeller
So very true! 👍
it depends for someone in the trade probably...hobbyists maybe not.....carpenters were fine without this saw for decades or hundred of years how did they cut wood? and were able to make fine furniture without this ? more of skill and good old hand tools.
@@10OZDuster power tools have allowed craftsmen to produce goods in record time allowing common people to afford high quality pieces.
Cool saw, awesome engineering, too small, only battery powered, higher quality than needed on most jobsites, stuck in a stupid systainer box.
I would much rather have a normal size plug-in contractor saw from festool with the sliding table. Something with a 25-32" rip capacity and doesn't unpack like a clown car.
Today was the debut. I had my extractor synced, had it on the stand, all is good. Only thing is, I was getting low battery indicator, meaning on the screen it shows both batteries icons with only the last one illuminated but in red. Then I finish my cut and hit the indicator on the battery and it reads 2/3 full. These are 5.0 batteries not the 5.2 like they used to have or even the 6.2. The 5.0s came in the kit. Very first charge and run of those batteries. Im trying to remember if lithium ions need to be charged and discharged a few times to get peak efficiency and/or if that has anything to do with it. 🧐. Other than that it runs great
I’ll wait until the Pocket Festool table saw…Outch!
Is there a way to make or convert the saw feet to fit into the 20 mm/96 oc. bench top holes? I have the saw and liking very much, I do wish it was lighter
1 question. What are those rubber band things holding down your festool cyclone separator to its base? Mine didnt come with anything like that...
This is a fantastic maschine. It has only one disadvatige - it has not a sawstop. With the sawstop dunction it would be the best of the best!
Saw stop requires a ground, so it is not on cordless tools.
It nay interest you to know that Festool now owns SawStop. It now owns the technology needed to make this as safe as a SawStop.
@@billballeza377 Yes, I know it. I have their table saw TKS80 and it has a sawstop function. It a freat maschine as well.
How is this saw cutting hardwoods, up to 8/4 cherry, maple, oak and walnut? Enough power to cut forcutting boards?
Thanks for the video. I like the black wall racks you have, where can I find them.
Thank you.
I believe he said he’ll be doing a video on it soon
can you use 160mm 1.8mm kerf blade in this machine?
To me the 45 degree towards the fence is a whole way to screw up my table saw thoughts. I am so use to the blade tipping left not right. Any advantages?
With all the features that this saw has I am really surprised that they didn’t use a rack and pinion fence design. That being said I love everything about this saw especially for someone like me that does a lot of finish work on job sites.
I thought the same thing about the fence when I first saw it. I think I read somewhere that it’s due to the fold down table or sliding mechanism. I’ve told myself I’d never buy a table saw again without a rack and pinion fence but damn do I really want this saw.
@@NickFrongillo The fence is actually stellar mate. And absolutely spot on to the mm out of the box. Only had to calibrate the zero height and zero tilt.
@@mathewcampbell8479 I believe it!Now I just have to convince my woman I need another $2000 tool
Very impressed plus great video... BUT.. (haha!!!) Really thought they would include Safety (Sawstop) technology.
anyway, i`m gonna wait until full size saw blade comes with them.
good video. thanks
For the features I really thought it would of been cost much more and that sound of the motor quiet and smooth
Me too
Very cool for the right person/situation. Does it have the option to run it with a cord?
You can only use batteries with them currently
That sliding table is key. Otherwise the infeed table capacity would be very limited.
Does the saw have capacity for a dado stack?
I feel like that motor will go out soon as it makes micro adjustments when you change the angle to compensate for the height. Why not just make the angle then set the height. That is a cool saw!
Cutting is cool, but what I wanted to see is if that computerized control unit on the front was capable of switching between metric and imperial units. That info has been hard to find, at least on the first 10 pages of googled results I found. Just because that control unit is software based, I've been around long enough not assume tool designers and programmers understand how software can make a tool really customizable.
I showed in the video that you can choose between metric and imperial
@@bentswoodworking I did see that. I posted before I watched your presentation. You're the first to talk about it, but even then, you have to look into the video (understandable - your workflow) to see that. And thanks again for showing that feature.
A link where to buy it and cost?
I really like that podcast sticker on your dust collection pipe. it must suck
It really sucks
very nice saw, I haven't been keeping up, does Festool make a full size table saw yet?
They do not
Are you turning on the dust extractor separately, since there is no power cord?
I use Bluetooth batteries. Turns on when I start the saw.
First... this was a nice, well-done review. Thankyou for posting. But -
The first and last question I always ask about ANY table saw is - _Is the fence square to the blade?_ This festool fence seems to use the front/rear grip that my Grandad's 60 year old Craftsman uses... and that's nowhere near square or consistent. You have to check at the blade (bump bump), check at the front (bump bump), check at the rear (bump bump), then go back and check at the blade again (bump bump). Rinse & Repeat.
So I am surprised that checking the squareness of the fence & miter gauge never even seemed to occur to you.
I haven’t checked it because I don’t have a reason to. The saw gives me square cuts.
I know this saw tilts a little to the left, but most of the bevel angle adjustment leans to the right (towards the fence). Most of the better table saws (cabinet saws, at least) today lean left, away from the blade. I understood this left lean was safer. Is the right lean a European/German thing or an intentional decision by Festool to achieve some benefit I can't fathom or were they just stuck with a right leaning blade because of where they placed the motor and other internal parts? I'm leaning towards the third explanation but I'm wondering if anyone knows.
Given the slider - tilting towards the fence is safer.
I am drooling! As a hobbyist I want one so bad……..great video as well. Is there a fault if viewed correctly (as a portable) ?
Bob
England
Not at all
@@bentswoodworking thanks
I drank the Koolaid for sure. Just got the ts55 AND cordless MIDI. Just came so have not been able to try them out just yet. Yesterday I went to purchase the mitre saw and was just not ready to pull the trigger. Good thing because after watching this video I am thinking this will do what a mitre saw can do. If I had to choose just one I am struggling with my choice.
Each have their place for sure
Nice review. Can it cut dados / accept a dado stack?
No, it cannot
Are they financing? APR?
While a good review the fence can be locked down is it super precise and square? the sliding table has a little bit of deflection which can be an issue for superfine and accurate cuts using it also Festool have shown they can build tools that can give you the flexibility of powered and portable batteries in a single tool as in some of their sanders. They should think about developing this capability for this table saw a mechanism for dialing in the fence to super accurate levels would be another improvement - for me an 8/10 for this portable table saw with the said improvements it has the potential to be a straight ten.
It's got some clever features, but at the price you're almost at PCS level. I like it for a trim carpenter or for installs where you may need to make adjustments on site if that's your full time job.
What is pcs level?
@@ltandrepants professional cabinet saw
Question. Is the imperial setting in fractions or decimals? Thanks!
Fractions
Fractions
@@bentswoodworking Thanks!
Does the vacuum start with the start of the saw?
yes with the festool vacuum
about #14:07 + It is not only 0 or 90 degree - 45 degree ist also possible
Question are blades available for cutting Acrylic?
It uses the same blades as the TS 60, so I don't see why you couldn't cut acrylic.
Yes they are
So, digital height and angle- but not fence position! Big minus. I fitted a digital fence (own design) to my table saw and it is a game changer. MUCH more important than blade height.
Is that thing made out of plastic?
The saw looks great, lots of features that go above and beyond other saws. I don't really understand the stand though. The top of the stand seems well thought out and functional, but the legs are kinda jenky in my opinion. A gravity assist setup is much easier to use and seems more in line with Festool quality. I owned a cheap HF stand with these types of legs and I do not like the style. The Bosch table saw or Rigid miter saw stands with gravity assist are so much easier to use - especially if you keep the tool attached.
The name of the stand has “Kapex” in it, too. I am not sure about it, but two things: I wonder whether the KSC 60 can sit on it as well (it should fit the dog holes), plus, with the legs closed it can be on the floor, for another height, especially for floor and trim carpentry. Add to the fact that it functions as a systainer dolly to load up sustainers on it, it makes it make more sense that they went this route.
From a safety standpoint that sliding table might slide your hand right into the blade
What??? No digital fence scale?
Looks like a great little machine. Would've been nice to see a sawstop brake , at least as an option, seeing as they're under the same parent company
It won't work with DC power. That system has to have AC power. That is what I have been told.
@@davids8493yes, sawstop needs to be grounded to work. At that point, you would just make it a corded tool, since you’d need at least a ground/dummy plug to use it anyway. A corded alternative to using batteries is coming, though. Does not add sawstop functionality, but does allow their dual battery tools to function on a plug, similar to how their cordless sanders can with that optional part.
I would have thought that saw costs as much as 17 Saw Stops.
That’s a great precision table saw, too bad it’s ridiculously small, and cordless table saws just don’t have the power yet, how many sheets of 3/4” ply do you think you can run through the Festool , before it bogs down, great for homeowners and flooring guys, not contractors
Hmmm, less than I thought. The bundle like you have is ~$2000 at Rockler
I own a lot of Festool and I believe the corded tools are the way to go….what do you do when the batteries are toast? Buy new ones? Most of the cost is battery
Without batteries the system is 1500 and with the batteries it adds about 300 so I don’t think the majority of the cost is in the batteries. If it falls under warranty, then they will be replaced. Otherwise, you buy new batteries. But lithium batteries should last for several thousand cycles before dropping to 80% capacity.
@AaronGeller Seems like it would have been a good idea to make it both battery and AC compatible. Then again, when I think of Festool, I don't think of value!
@@mattro4902 it would have been nice and I don’t know why they don’t do it but value is subjective.
@@AaronGeller Fair
Years ago we had a video camera which came with a battery-sized transformer gadget which meant we could use the camera with batteries or plugged in to the mains. Something like that would be very useful for this.
Awwwwww it's so cute. Let me guess. All for the price of a 5 horse sawstop.
Way less.
3horse
You say that like Saw Stops aren’t over priced. You can get better Tablesaws minus the Saw Stop technology for a better price. Saw stops are good tablesaw’s not great.
@@steffendetrick price only means so much with less fingers
@@AaronGeller I’m not knocking anybody that wants to purchase a SawStop but if you feel that you absolutely need one in order to use a tablesaw or to feel comfortable using a table saw you probably should be using power tools in the first place. For those that purchase one because they have children around I 100% get it. If you’re getting it because you’re afraid of chopping your own finger off, I can tell you after doing this professionally for 25 years a majority of the time not all the time but a majority these aren’t accidents it’s carelessness or inexperience.
Help me out here guys, that includes you too sir. I set my saw up yesterday and noticed something. If you use the fence as a straight edge and check that all table surfaces are flat. The extension is flat to the main, but my sliding table has a lean to the left. Is that correct or can someone show how that can be adjusted if it's not?
have you reached out to festool directly?
@@AaronGeller no. I was hoping it was nothing to worry about and someone here would put my mind at ease. I've used a bit to complete some punch work and had zero issues.
I can see this saw being really helpful to me in my small garage shop. I do have a question…why do you say that this saw is for folks that already have festool products? Is that just because of the batteries? I have no festool products at all. Additionally, I have no climate control in my garage. How do hot and cold temps affect the unit, if at all. Thanks so much for the info.
It is primarily because of the batteries. Festool is designed to be a part of a system. Accessories, storage, clamping, dust extraction and mobility are all part of this system.
My assumption is if someone is buying this, they already have invested in the festool cordless platform. However, that won’t always be the case
I gotta say....@4:55 that's pretty Sierra Hotel!! The whole saw is Sierra Hotel, if I'm honest.
oh dear. the fact that your speeding up the playback from the cutting. what does that say????
i'd buy one if it was corded
Love it! But the price 😳
By once, cry once, and enjoy for years and years
He was surprised at how inexpensive it is. Lol the thing can't even break down a full sheet.
@@phantomviewer it’s more expensive in Europe, actually.
It’s not meant to break down a full piece of plywood, so comparing it to a large saw doesn’t make sense.
It has its strengths and is aimed at a particular type of work.
I've felt like I've gotten my monies worth out of every piece of Festool gear I own. This price however is just too high for the tool's capabilities, at least in my opinion. The small SawStop at half the price is what I'd go for if I worked in the field. Even with the Festool saw I wouldn't cut inside a client's house, so the noise and dust collection aren't a valid enough selling point for me.