What Features Make a Camera a "Pro Camera?"
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Also, Brandon and Jarrell debate, is there such a thing as a "Pro" camera anymore?
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Pro just means you are getting paid 😂😂😂
6 months ago I had never touched a camera in my life, now I use a fx30 and just sold my first $1200 brand video.
Won’t need to upgrade for years.
Bruh that’s crazy! 🔥
@@erickt9415 cheers bro, it really is. I’ve been a cleaner for nearly 8 years and decided I wanted to go after my passion.
Pro photographers and creators have existed for years. Long before our cool gear existed. Those pros would’ve dreamed of our “consumer” level gear these days.
I don’t know about film making but when it comes to photography. Most gear is good enough!
Facts. I love how all of a sudden the technology that was good enough is no longer pro for certain people. Before I got my Canon R6 Mark II, my main camera was a 1D Mark 3. A camera that I still use. Technically it is old and dated, but I still shoot with it and make a living. The comment that HDMI, and many XLR is not pro is laughable to me.
@@fishfighter2 a professional can use any tool I’m sure you’ve seen Phillip Bloom. he feels like he could shoot with anything and make it look awesome. When I said HDMI isn’t pro what I meant is, typically you wouldn’t find it on a Hollywood set because the cable is too easily pulled out unlike Sdi which is preferred by most professionals. Definitely no offense to you and even in fact to me because I only have HDMI ports on my camera.
If you get 10 bit pro res, raw, has high dynamic range, anamorphic, various resolution its a professional camera
Some of the professional broadcast cameras don't have all those specs...
“Besides The Creator… ain’t nobody shooting their film with the FX3.” Bro, The Possession of Hannah Grace, a Hollywood Film, was shot entirely with a Sony A7sii
You both are right. You can create a great video with a A6700 and a Sony FX9. However, on set businesses will look at you more seriously with the FX9.
I think this is something we tell ourselves, but isn’t really all that true. I think WE as filmmakers are brutally aware of our gear and its appearance more so than 90% of business owners.
But I’m weak, and so I’ll still rent an FX9 when I’m doing a bigger corporate job (thank goodness I rarely deal with those anymore).
I've made dozens of local TV Commercials for opticians in the NYC area with the FX3 and FX30 as my B cam. I started with the Bmpcc6K. They don't care about SDI, Internal ND, codecs just results. They spend thousands on production and even more on the TV spots to air them. Basically all of these cameras are technically pro if they produce pro results for professionals.
Brandon nails it! True! To me, all cameras that can shoot for 3 hours without overheating, has a log and raw video, has a quality audio inputs, that's a PRO camera for me. Oh and at least SUPER35 sensor. and of course minimum 10bit.
I wholeheartedly agree with you, Brandon. It's who is using the "hammer" that makes someone a professional.
Professional is the wrong word here. What they’re really talking about is purpose built cinema cameras and TV broadcast cameras. Professional just means you make a living off of what you do, it has nothing to do with the tool at hand. And versatility isn’t really a sign of professional gear either. A prime lens is the least versatile kind of lens there is, but every movie is shot with one. An underwater camera only does one thing. Cool discussion
if you're getting compensated for what you're doing, you're a professional. Simple. Brandon is right, it's the person.
Eeeehhhhhh. I think that there are certain gears designed for the Pro’s to use vs gear designed for prosumer/amateurs. Now if you are talented and good at your job. As a professional you can make anything work because “gEaR dOsEn’T mAtTeR”. But Sony, Canon, etc do make cameras designed for high level professional work vs cameras for high end enthusiasts and prosumers. It just is what it is. Technology has lowered the bar. But there is still a bar!
I remmeber it used to be the camera need record 1080p 422 8bit 50mb.
FX3 cameras here are used in high end commercials, music videos, and feature films. Its definitely a professional camera, though on the lower bracket side of pro cameras
There’s a huge difference between the terms “pro” and “cinema”.
All people who shoot for cinema are pros, but not all pros shoot projects that are viewed in cinemas.
With that being said even though you can create a movie with ANYTHING that records images, HOWEVER what makes a camera a “cinema” camera is the fact that a certain camera becomes widely used throughout the the cinema industry and the images/projects are played in THEATRES.
The professional using the gear is what makes the gear professional. An Arri Alexa in a pedestrians hands is not professional...
But a sony ax camcorder that cannot be incorporated into the tv system isn't either. No matter how good is the cameraperson using it.
My guy got it right, what makes a camera or tool pro is build quality, and features, you can use a cheap camera and it’ll get the job done, but maybe not as durable, as a pro contractor I might by a cheap tool, it’ll get the job done, but it may be lacking in power, or comfort features that a pro tool will have… There is a big difference, now with that being said you can still build a house with a ryobi but maybe one or two or three or take a hit with efficiency etc, durability.
When I redid my house (kitchen, bedroom, refurbished wood floors for entire house) I just bought cheep,plug in Harbor Freight tools. My thought was, if they ONLY complete this 1 job I got out all the value I wanted from them.
Great discussion! I think price point also separates pro cameras from consumers/non-pro cameras. Once you price a camera $20K and up, that camera will NEVER be *bought* by an amateur. (There's a chance it could be rented by one - maybe!)
The BS1H has SDI out.
I think pro gear is gear that is made to be convenient for and be able withstand rigorous use. A photographer at the olympics would choose a Canon 1dx iii over a Sony A6700 cause the body is more reliable and rugged.
Hello, I’m I missing something. The Creator was made from the FX.
First mirrorless cameras are photographers based cameras. For photographers most mirrorless cameras are pro camera. Nikon Z9 is a pro camera.
*I bought the FX30 because it's a Cinema Camera. As Far as Pro is concerned, Pro can mean a lot of things. A Pro Cinematographer can use a FX3/FX30 & still be a Pro. If we're talking about Movie Camera's then yes there's VAST difference not only in Price and Features, but there's always going to be that Gap, but someone like myself who's never used a camera like My FX30 coming from an A6400 or ZV-1 yes The FX30 is far superior in terms of abilities, but again it depends on the person n their experience with the camera*
When you fill back the layers of what he is actually saying, he actually has a point because even in Brandon point you said “ those are pro features the camera have”
So what happens when the camera doesn’t have pro features at all?
Do you define the line of a 5D mark three shooting video a pro camera?
So I kind of agree with him in a way at the same time agreeing with you there’s just gray area to this to where we just need to look at every single camera individually and say this is not a pro camera or it is
5d can be used to film, It is better for photography though... But it lacks the "features" or the tools that I would need as a professional cameraman. On the other hand, I have used a 5d m4 professionally... It doesn't make it a pro camera it makes it a camera that can be used for professional shoots, but with a lot of compromises.
is the Nilon Z9 a pro camera?
You guys rock on this - I am fortunate to be able to afford expensive gear - I am also realistic enough to know that the image I produce (video & photo - I do both) is dependent on how I work every day to develop my skills, because every camera you guys mentioned has more capability than my level of skill.
A camera needs to be reliable and durable to be considered a pro-camera, that's my only criteria.
Including full weather sealed. Internal electrical components connected to shock mounts, multi grounded electrical components. Long battery life. And or very long lasting batteries. Very good customer support. The company produces a lot of spare parts. Easy to repair. A five or more year warrenty.
All these cameras are pro at this point. It just depends on what you are trying to get done,l.
It is a Pro Camera, but not a Pro Cinema camera. You Tube channel DP Journey said the Sony FX3 is not a true Cinema Camera.
Cameras, especially consumer/enthusiast cameras, have gotten so good. But “pro” is largely dependent on what area you are in. I primarily make fitness content for influencers. Been making vids for a living for over a decade now. Previously shot with the FS7 II. But have been using the a7s III since the day it launched. I currently support my family, a wife and two kids, and live comfortably off of the work I do with my a7s III’s (and an a7 IV for photos).
Those are both consumer/prosumer cameras, but they are certainly pro in the sense that you can make a living using them. It wasn’t my best year as I’ve been trying to work less, but I cleared 200K last year before taxes. And to be fair, I could probably do all the same work with the a6700/FX30 if I needed to.
All that to say, the a7s III is a pro camera to me and for what I do. But I’ve also worked on more elaborate sets where the a7s III wouldn’t pass for anything more than a BTS cam. You could rig it out for use in a doc, but you would be better off grabbing an FX9/FX6 or Komodo.
"Camera is no different from a hammer" The tools are no longer an issue. Its whos using the tools. Also, 'The Creator' is a perfect example even though homie used it as a bad reference "outside of the Creator whos used the FX3?" its really the ONLY example you need to conclude the point I am trying to make. Even though the film wasnt ground breaking from a story aspect, the quality of the images were outstanding ,thats all the consumer's care about as far as imagery goes. Great conversation though Im loving it.
I think it's better to see it has a scale of 'pro-ness' in a camera rather than hard cut off points of what is pro and what is not. An Arri Alexa for example is 100% Pro, it has zero use in a non pro environment and unless you were rich or crazy you'd never buy one as a consumer.
Something like a C70 is probably 80% pro, once again outside of pro filmmakers using it to shoot their family no one is buying a C70 as a consumer however it does lack a few features, FX3 is probably 75% Pro.
Something like an A7iv is more like 40% Pro, still more than good enough for professional work but far more likely to be bought as a top end consumer camera.
Words that lost their meanings in the filmmaking sphere:
1. Cinematic
2. Game changer
3. Professional/pro
Ok, PRO - you all are focusing on the wrong word hence professional in regards to the camera. The word is PROficient meaning better than. The fx3 is better or more advanced than the fx30. The C70 is better than the C200 and maybe C300 mark II. The professional aspect is in the user.
facts brandon
Bullcrap hammer example. You would not go to a dollar store to get a hammer to work on your house with.
Meanwhile, I am looking at my original pocket cam which took me a year to learn how to use properly.
I think a pro feature and what should be standard for any camera should be an OLPF. Having Moire should be a thing of the past
I’m blown away at how many cameras do not have OLPF. It’s more important than internal NDs and inexpensive.
@@daniellove162 Yeah same here man, makes no sense to me
Pro is determined by what your skill level is.
NO SUCH THING AS A PRO CAMERA.
NO CAMERA can turn ANY person PRO,
but any pro can create quality product with virtually any new camera.
I just care about the Images I could get as a creator and the workflow I need to get the job done. Everything else is noise to me. 🤷🏽♂️
if you can make money with that camera.... its a pro camera
Nah fx6 is pro - it’s amazing quality.
It’s overpriced overhyped POS. Massive NR. Not oversampled. Not open gate. But well marketed.
Cap
What do you use a LUMIX? Haha....
A pro camera is one that forces you to use it to make money with it to pay off the debt it incurs.
The more i hear the worst this gets. At what point is an arri 35 not a pro camera. At what point is an arri a consumer camera. This issue here seems to be an issue with understanding language and meaning. ??? Truly moronic.
Ok, I'm at the 5 min mark and I have to say... It is interesting how both of you are right and both of you are wrong.
Let me explain myself... I am a professional cameraman, but mostly in broadcast tv. Professional equipment in broadcast tv needs to adhere to standards pertaining to acquisition, workflow, technical standards in signal transmission and pathways, etc.
Take the xlr for example... While it satisfies engineering standards it also satisfies the versatility in use, both in equipment you can use and in situations where you can use it. You can use the same microports (tx, rx) in eng and in studio situations, for example.
BUT, if you own all that "pro" stuff and don't use it to work with it, what's the point (professionaly speaking), while on the other hand, you can make videos for CZcams or instagram with the Iphone and do it as a job and you'll be a professional videomaker, or however it is called.
Now, I'm a dinosaur so I don't like the "one man band" way of working because of many reasons but I must acknowledge that it exists.
Moronic. Btw there are pro hammers. Martinez tools? Too many ill informed people given access to pro gear and dont know how to use it properly?? Sure. A test might be when the camera package is the least expensive item on the budget. At that point you are probably on a pro shoot and then ask yourself what camera you should use for the job in hand. Then its a pro camera. If the film requires the look of an iPhone 7 then use an iphone 7 on a professional job. It doesn’t make it a professional camera. Any professional or should we caveat that with any professional who knows what they are doing and not faking it, would know what a professional camera is. I have know idea why these two have such an issue working this out. There are professional standards in every industry. Know your trade.
This is the DUMBEST clip I’ve ever watched. You know what is pro? Whatever gear you make a living with. LUMIX’s GH series appears in the American Cinematographer Manual since the tenth edition (that’s the GH2) You can even use a Go Pro if it SERVES THE NARRATIVE. Saying “this camera is pro but not this one” is so of beginners.
Did you watch the clip?
Yeah, unfortunately I did. You kind of come to your senses with the “people are the pros”, but then you fail to define what -pro- is. Pro has a simple definition.