Why did we struggle in high-speed corners? | 2024 Saudi Arabian GP F1 Akkodis Race Debrief
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- Taking the positives from a challenging weekend in Jeddah 💪
Shov talks through why we struggled in the fast corners, why we didn't double stack during the Safety Car and much more in our @Akkodis Race Debrief
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mercedes version of ferrari's "we're checking"
3 years of checking smh
The real kicker seems to be that in one of these other videos, Red Bull took last year's Mercedes chassis and made it better and is leading the field with it this year.
@@johnw.2869 RedBull does NOT have anything like Mercedes's chassis from last year dude.
@@dianamaioru497 they just made a few things that look merc to tease them lol
"we try to understand" - thats the theme for the last 2 years. still the same in 3rd it seems.
Every race debrief: "So we're trying to understand why that is."
German/British version of «we’re checking”
Right. Do you think Red bull has so much to figure out? Even Ferrari seem clear of merc
There's something that's just not been discovered yet by Mercedes
Unpopular opinion, Merc probably don't care about this year car at all. W15 probably is just a testing bed for them to understand as much as they can for 2026.
3 years and 3 cars later and there still a problem with bounceing
Yes though this is a different bouncing, yet, bouncing
Ferrari:-we are checking
Mercedes:-trying to understand
Things to take note of:
1) Investigate if someone is getting paid in your simulator team from competitor team to purposely give incorrect data to mess up the car😂😂😂
2) Time to change your simulator😂
You never know....
They need to hire Joe Pesci.
🤣🤣🤣
We all know how much red bull hate Mercedes, it’s not even trivial it’s radical! I wouldn’t even put it past them 😅
And if there is something wrong with Merc simulator we can all apologize to Elliott bcoz that zero concept was going to work 😅
I think that redbulls could win any race on hard tires only
you could be onto something there. A lot of feedback from the other cars setup that redbull know how to dial out id think.
I think we will see Ferrari and McLaren win a race this season. Not sure about Mercedes though, maybe George could do it (again).
@M4NA5 hamilton was close to winning last year, though. It shows u r just a George fan boy
@@joshuaokunola6261bro chill he is talking about Lewis not being as comfortable as Russel in this car . Long way to go .
Quite possibly!
I can sum up these 12 minutes for anyone else. "They dont know"
Its painful to be a Mercedes fan nowadays, but i still believe in the team. I'm hopeful that we will recover from these excruciating three years. The issues with the simulator need to be solved asap.
Toto is getting old and it shows, the team cannot function properly in weekend when Toto isn’t there, t is a leadership problem. Merc is one of the richest teams and Toto spend more time focused on keeping the sport from growing last year than he did on his own team. Toto is completely the issue..I hope you understand that
Love this new debriefs post races , thanks 😍😍
I just want i'm an absolute HUGE FAN! Of these Race Debriefs
Last year in Australia you qualified on the front row and finished P2. I cant even see you guys being on the 3rd row after what we have seen in the first 2 races. You have got to add rear downforce on the car without bouncing. Most teams have already figured this out and I don't understand why you haven't after 2 years of data collected and analysed.
Always some great insight from these videos. Great stuff.
I love this new style of the race debriefs
When your plan of action is to design experiments to diagnose the problem(s), your season is in BIG trouble.
Man the struggle is real 😔 how are you going to turn it around before it's too late 😢 it might not be a win for now but 6th and 9th ain't gonna cut it 🤬
This is an excellent show! Well done Mercedes! Would be nice if other teams would do same as its very informative and helps our understanding and enjoyment of F1
Whats happening to this team now proves that Brawn and Nikii held this team up Toto's leadership is horrendous
👏
Thanks Team. Keep trying.
Oh GG Jodi!!!! I remember the days you did voice overs to now this!!! Keep up the grind Jodi!!!
Keep at it team. You'll get there❤ 🙌
On to the next! ❤ ❤
Thanks for the vid. The new studio looks nice. Good luck on finding the performance issues. The virtual/real world correlation problem is quite worrying though. Maybe just get the W11 back from the stable. 😀
The tone of some of these comments, you would think they were talking about Alpine...
Dam understanding. the high speed corners needs your attention. 14 days. Yal have LH going out bad. Heard this for 3years Shov
Let's go merc
I believe in ya
Drink your COPIUM
I have something to sell you then!
Fingers crossed for Australia, team! We can do it
COPIUM IS REAL
U can’t do shi$t 😂
Australia is also high speed I doubt there gonna make a turn around that quickly its gonna take some upgrades to fix it
😆😆will be same, slow and disappointing
Give up bro
thank you for not forcing the subtitles on us. It is way less distracting from the mimik etc for me
The set up of the race debrief looks nice
3 years later and they still have no idea or understand what they built!!!
I have one question
Why is it that in every race the team says that Russell had the better setup and lewis' setup didn't work
Why dont both the drivers have the same setup..
Also
Why does the car still bounce so much even though the issue was thought to be resolved
Thnx again big fan..
Because not all drivers want the same setup. They have diferent driving styles and one setup may be “better” for one driver and another driver would find it “worse”. In that case, probably the car worked better with Russell’s setup than lewis setup. Just my theory…
The drivers have the freedom to adjust the setup to their liking in hopes of getting a better outcome, for example lewis mentioned in the race before that he was experimenting with a different setup to george & that it just didn’t work out for him
Heres the best answer possible: Lewis is a driver that likes to play with the setups and that usually gives him an edge over the others, BUT with these unstable cars Lewis just cant work his Magic and a more normal (simulator) in line setup seems to be better. This info comes from James Vowles, the Ex toto right hand that talked in a podcast about how Lewis Drives.
lewis already lost hope on mercedes, he is not gonna work as hard anymore since its his last year
We copying questions now bro??
Keep at it, “still we rise”
Wake up call! More than 2000 people working for you and you cannot fix those issues for 3 years? You need to hire new members, you have resources, you have everything. It's so painful to be a Merc fan nowadays... After every single GP I read, "We learned so much about the car today", what??? Lewis said many times that the rear of the car is the biggest problem, it seems that all you did during the winter was the development of the front wing.
I like this explanation👍🏻
Keep pushing team! We're with you
Buen video, como siempre
It’ll be interesting to see you navigate these early gremlins and hopefully, get on top of them. Let’s enjoy the journey and it’s pitfalls !💪
The Mercedes Race Debrief and Vowles Verdict. 👏
3 days late but I still love you :)
How long will Mercedes be testing? until 2089?
W13 W14 now W15, The Frankenstein lives on for another year..
For the 1st time this past race, found myself switching off and not listening to anything Formula 1. Never thought this day would come... I feel so sorry for Lewis
Cant wait for cultLH to leave the team and their fake form of 'support'
He had years of being in the best car by miles, Lewis has been gifted enough
@@Ben_Gunner oh i supported LH since the start, but you cult members treat him like some messiah that can never do any wrong to the point of annyoing every other fan base.
@makisan2596 Yeah, we are leaving. It's not a secret 😅
the rb20 at 2019 2020 speed already is insane
struggling this hard for 3 yrs for a top team is crazy, i do not have any more hope! LH is really the only reason I supported this team...FORZA FERRARI
Guys please sort out the car, I need Lewis to challenge Max again. Give Lewis a proper send off. Find the magic bullet🙏
Hi guys. Am sad for you after Australia. I am seriously wondering if your cfd/set up woes, an instabilities and oddness in grip and speed from fp to race day, could be due to air density or humidity affecting the aero and grip? Is very hot dry air that isn't very dense or strong, and cool humid air making being stronger, a big part of your setup and speed randomness so far?
I love these comments! It is really awesome!!!!
Mercedes should ask for technical advice from Gordon Murray's company, he is a master of ground effects, like Red Bull's Adrian Newey. Ferrari is advised by Rory Byrne, another master of aerodynamics and ground effects. This new W15 car needs a lot of improvements, it needs to have efficient floor downforce, good tire management and conservation, better cooling to avoid the embarrassment of the Bahrain and Australian GPs, less drag and more speed on straights, better stability and speed in high, medium and low curves, more traction and mechanical grip when entering and exiting curves, lower center of gravity, better stability in curves. More power and reliability from the PU, especially from the ERS and MGU-K, MGH and Turbo.
In a double stacking, and if there is a queue of cars entering the pit. Is there room in the pit for the first car to move forward a little, while waiting for an opening in the queue, giving the second car space to change tires?
Fancy team-themed shoes.
"we're working hard to try and understand-" thats all I need to hear, see yall in 2026
on where do we ask questions might be considered to be answered for the next race?
Lets patiently wait for 2026 😢
This reg won't change 😊
you didn't struggle, newey just excelled
All it's about learning, years of learning and none improvement 😒😒
we were slower than alpine in the fast corners while max is almost full throttling through
Guys thank you for giving the rivals a fare advantage in first two races in order to keep them in the game. And now we are ready to win around 20 of the races to the rest of the season. 😅 The other will be so surprised that they will never recover.
Lmao
I want to smoke what you're smoking
Atleast the pit stops have been decent this year🙏🏽
That answer to the high speed question with regards to Lewis, the answer tells me MB is still searching for speed. The car isn't fast enough.
Speed isn’t the issue, it’s balance. It’s always balance. It’s not the 1950’s
It seems clear that the team are having to make more compromises in setup than Red Bull or Ferrari due to a fundamental lack of stability, particularly in the rear. That tells me that this is going to be a season of 'get the best from it', rather than truly competing at the front.
12:20 'Nando' is what some people refer to Fernando Alonso as
We lost confidence in Mercedes.i can't wait to move house😊
Great explanations! Keep it up Merc💪💪
One day we'll be back on top🔝
Given if they got a free pit spot for every 10 laps on soft tyres, dont think they can make up to catch the RBs.
Just seems like whenever they try to go to the ride height that can compete they bounce to high heaven. I think they need to make the floor and overall aero package more stable at lower ride heights. Ie redbull ferrari
Thats what they been trying to do
@@mesterorange8181 that’s what I’m trying to imply, a team of there stature shouldn’t be struggling this bad. Something has to be wrong
Simply put that car is still a long way off. Because now we can only look forward to race tracks that favour the car and that's not the way to win races and later on champions.
Am happy with pitstops
Lol I hope this stuff is exempt from the budget cap cause why change the format? It was nice & simple before, this whole studio is a bit of an overkill what a presenter just for questions. Simplicity is key.
Keep fighting Merc! I stick with my team, winning or not!
turn up the engine mode to the highest mode.
*Upgrades needed at speed of light faulty sim maybe?*
Changing new concepts while others had 2 years advantage and still able to score points is still outstanding. However i don't think waiting for a safety car incorporated in the race strategy is a good idea
Ok let's see
Working hard for 3 years now, p3 or p4 constructors this year?
Good evening . I have relevant ideas that I believe can greatly improve the problem of low speed in corners, increase the speed in a straight line as well as the stability of the car. I would like to share them with you if you wish. I have them in the form of drawings accompanied by explanations. It’s a huge joy for me. Courage for the future.
Still We Rise Guys!!!!! LETS HUNT THE COMPETITION DOWN!
Both cars were slow in S1 even during Practice tests. It's exactly what happened on track! 😫
who is in charge of the sim and why is it that numbers are being fudged 2 years running.. something doesn't make sense
It's going to be a long year. 😢. Toes crossed now.
😅🤣
this week?,, Been doing it for two years now.
we can do it
Just listen to the engine tone/speed on the straight. Merc’s engine with drs open sounds like it’s ran out of hp and Redbulls engine with drs open sounds like it’s free to rev to any speed it wants. This is a clear case of how much the redbull unloads the chassis with the drs wide open and until they figure this out they’re not going forward.
Max used DRS like 4x that race
I miss the factory/design studio
Can you please choose the hard questions. We are dying here. Give us anything to hope for
" and the Australian Grand Prix winner is Max Ves...." jus wait for it 😢
Same comments after each race, "We are learning" "We tried this, we tried that" "We hope to understand better".
What a waste of time, all that money going down the drain.
wise move by Lewis.
Ah... mercedes the podcast company.
Who’s this baddie?
Where is James Alison?
You guys are gonna struggle till the next regs change, so keep it.
lets see
yeah i would
I think Mercedes needs to think about less about 'multiple what if's coinciding' and more rolling the dice and just go with it.
Bring back the w11
I think Mercedes problem is there floor, they can’t run it at the correct ride height. Look at the entrances to all other teams compared to Mercedes. They’re all more open allowing more air
Guys get the act together
Seriously guys!! Can’t bear to watch us getting plummeted week after week. 😢
Nando Lorris!
I still want to believe 😢
Tifosi 2.0
i’m happy mercedes is willing to take chances and diagnose but I also understand why lewis is leaving, too much risk because because you can’t get on podiums anymore