Mixing theGroovynators with an A&H QU-16 - Event Video 37
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- čas přidán 12. 07. 2022
- We are mixing "theGroovynators" for a church event in Cary, NC. FOH console is the Allen&Heath QU-16 (A&H QU-16) with Yamaha DSR-115 FOH speakers.
This video is an extended view into the overall sound system setup; load-in, setup, line-check, and load-out for an event. The weather started out good, but got hot toward the end of the event.
The band:
www.reverbnation.com/theGroov...
This reminds me growing up me and my brothers we would go with with my dad to his gigs. My dad would take his PA system and we would help set up and wrap everything up after too. Awesome
I've gone digital for the snake. Haven't gone back to analog. 1 Ethercon cable connects 48 Channels in and 48 Channels out. I can link ethercon cables, so by carrying 3 cables, a pair of 100 Foot and a 50 foot, and 2 couplers,I can do any 50 foot increment between 50 feet and 250 feet. All the snake cable and couplers fit in a laptop bag. For limited power locations, leave the class AB amplifiers home and go high efficiency class D for more sound on less power. An AC watt-meter is essential to watching your consumption in limited power locations. Tripped breakers is no fun.
“You’re super hot!”…”Thank You”😂😂😂
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Great video👍👍👍 love to see it.
Great channel - Really digs into the behind the scenes at a typical gig.
great event, as always, Bob. we do appreciate you so much
Thank you sir! It is a pleasure mixing for you guys!
I am amazed by the effort given to film the process in detail. As a sound system rental provider myself, filming the whole process really take a lot of attention, and I cannot always do it. So, you are really doing a very good job, sir!..
Thank you for your great comment!!
It very simple sound, i love it!
25:50 you can really hear your adjustments and can hear what the gate does to the signal. Brilliant bit of video this.
Bob! Thank God for you and the crew at SL!
Thank you!
Love this kind of long videos. :)
Glad you like them!
Very good very organized one day I will go to the United States to meet you I like your work and I will learn more from you greeting from Paraguay 🇵🇾
Thank you for your comment.
Great setup as always, the levels on the band is spot on clean sound!! The sax wireless setup i brought two of those they're hot on the market now. Be safe out there.
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Galera dedicada ! Parabéns...
Eles são muito trabalhadores! Obrigada!
I've been recording shows on the presonus studio live III board and using studio one to capture the channels. Works really good.
You are correct. The Presonus series 3 consoles do well with recording.
I use allot of EWI stuff as well. Mark and Liz are awesome.
Good eye! EWI has been very good to us. Yes, Mark and Liz are awesome!
Nice program
Thanks for the comment.
Obrigado por mostrar passo a passo, dúvida, voçe que não queria usar caixas de grave ou foi o contrato que não pediu?
Obrigado pelo seu comentário. O evento não teria um volume alto, portanto, nenhum subwoofer foi necessário. Os dois DSR115 (alto-falantes FOH) forneceram muitos graves.
What do you recommend to eliminate ground loop humming out of your audio
Make sure all the electrical power for the sound system is originating from the same source. Also, the use of ground-lift XLR cables can help. These usually fit on XLR cable connections that run between FOH and the stage.
Why not use Velcro direct on the back of the speakers to connect the shade protectors over the amp modules?
Good observation. I am working on a video covering this exact topic. Not too long ago, I had some velcro remove the finish and paint from a console doghouse; since that time, I have had to change the strength of velcro I use (on cabinets). In the "Video 37" video, I tried those sticky strips because of the velcro issue with the doghouse. Recently, I came up with a velcro solution for the sun-shades. That video should be done by next week (~July 20, 2022)
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Great event and a great sound. How did you get the Bass to come out of the house without a sub? Usually the bass would be too heavy for tops without a sub.
For this event, most of the lower end on the bass was handled by the bassist's onstage bass amp. I asked him to turn up his bass amp a little more to cover most of the low-end. I had some bass in the FOH, but not much. The event did not require nor need a lot of bass (like other shows sometimes do). Not much power was used for FOH on this show.
Those DSR 115 speakers are decent and they could have easily handled more bass.
What is monitor used in stage .also what advise for reduce the feed back if your used mixer dynacord ...thanks
Hello. The monitor is a JBL. It has an 8 inch woofer. I do not know the model of the monitor. It belongs to the keyboard player. Reducing feedback starts with setting proper gain... too much gain equates to feedback. Also, using subtractive EQ on the mixer channel input will help with reducing feedback.
Great video. Could you give me an idea of costing for the customer for this sort of package?
Thanks for your comment. Unfortunately, we can't comment on service rates on public forums. Also, we are unable to discuss rates pertaining to our customers. There are many factors involved with setting service rates... geographical area, amount of equipment, the event time duration, etc...
thanks for uploading the video, I've been a subscriber for a few years and really enjoy your videos. I also offer audio re-enforcement in my community and I really like the stage that you have here. Can you share any information on where they were purchase? What they are made off etc... thx in advance.
Thank you for the great comments! I'm happy you are enjoying the videos. The stage belongs to the church where this video was recorded. The legs and support of the stage are steal; the surface of the stage is wood (plywood) that has a finish on it. The legs of the stage are fixed, meaning they cannot be adjusted. This is the reason the location of the stage had changed from where I originally was told it was going to be setup (last year). Staging can be purchased from a lot of different places. Stages with adjustable legs usually cost more than fixed leg stages. Hope this helps.
@@stageleftaudio Hey. Yea I ran a volt/watt/amp meter on my powered Behringer 15" tops and my powered Behringer 18" subs (Both Class D amplifiers) and even after turning them up, I was surprised by how little amps they drew. I had an event at a local airport with NO power and had to use my 1800 watt inverter Generator (15 amps like you did). I ran two tops, four subs, one 12" powered monitor, a small Behringer 1202 mixer, a DBX 360 speaker management system and a laptop. No problem the whole day. Thanks for the helpful nuts and bolts video as usual. Carl
Nice!!
Nice video as usual. Is that a JBL 510 if front of the keyboard? Have a pair of those for 8 years and they are suprisingly good for the size and price.
Thanks for the comment. Yes, I think that is a 510 model. That speaker actually belongs to the keyboardist; he uses it for his monitor. He's made the same comments about those speakers as you have.
@@stageleftaudio we have over 20 JBL 15"s & 18" + these little guys. They look like toys but really are good for the small areas or extra remotes and sound bigger that they are. Another note, we use actual umbrellas on the tops for sun and light rain protection, gear tie them to the side handle.
Where did you get your stage power stringer? Or, is it DIY?
They were custom built by a small company several years ago... we use two of them for larger shows. My apologies... I do not recall who built them!
How are you liking the reverbs on the Allen & Heath board? I find myself tweaking them an awfull lot everytime I get to an AH board. I'm used to lexicon verbs.
The reverb (I don't recall which one I'm using) works ok, but has taken some time to get it "tuned" for what I'm looking for. I may need to look further into the other verbs available on that console. It does ok. We use two Lexicon effects units when using our analog system... those units are great!
@@stageleftaudio As I said I need to tweak the reverb quite a bit on those AH desks as well. I'm using the Lexicon MPX200 usually. When I'm not using my yamaha desks.
What I have experienced is that you need to go into the expert section and tweak. I usually turn the "ref lvl" (reflections level) down on the last (I think) page. And you alså need to mess with the "colour" parameter.
Yes, more tweaking with the reverb sounds about right. I'll take a look at the "ref lvl" and the colour level. Thanks!
@@stageleftaudio I'm not sure if you can do it on QU, but on my dLive, I'll use a regular buss, instead of the FX buss, which gives me more processing on the input of the reverb unit, so I can EQ and compress as needed before it actually hits the engine, which can go a long way, in addition to the expert settings, to getting some really great reverb/delay sounds
Good info. The QU has an odd routing option for their #3, and #4 effects. Their #1, and #2 effects are routed like a regular console, but #3 and #4 are different. I'll take a look to see if the #3 and #4 effects can be routed to one of the buss'.
Stage don’t look super level or safe. Also how messed up do the speaker grills get moving them around on the hand cart like that?
No issues with the stage, was well supported. The hand cart is not flat on the front; it's easy to move speakers around with the grills facing the cart; there's minimal contact between the grill and the cart. We do have a flat facing cart but will put blankets between the cart and anything we carry on it. Also, about once a year, I go through and refresh the paint/textures on all equipment.
if a usb stick that is solid state gave you problems, imagine a regular hard drive...
This was my initial thought as well. Actually, a regular USB hard drive (like the one in the video) worked flawlessly. A hard drive contains a buffer, which allows for multiple simultaneously streams to be recorded at the same time. The USB stick does not have a buffer (or perhaps a buffer not large enough) to handle the many streams of data continuously. There were 0 recording errors with the hard-drive, compared to at least 32 errors with the USB stick. I like the idea of a USB stick (size, convenience), but it does not work. Thanks for the comment.
Do you use Allen & Heath insted of Presonus now?
I use both. It depends on the event and if the band wants to be recorded. For the larger shows, we use the Presonus Studiolive Series 3 consoles (and will record the event). The A&H and the Presonus 16.4.2 consoles are still used for the smaller channel-count events. If the band wants to be recorded, and it's a low channel-count event, I"ll use the A&H.
Not sure if this could cause interference, but maybe a couple of small magnets to hold the sunshade to the outer edge of the powered speaker control section.
"Realized I made a stupid statement" edit
There's a much larger magnet on the opposite side of the control console. Duh. Interference shouldn't be an issue.
That idea could work. Since making this video, I found a velcro solution that will probably work, and I'm finishing a video covering it. I've had issues with velcro removing the surface finish/paint on things when pulling the velcro off. I think your magnet idea would probably work on certain setups.
@@stageleftaudio I was thinking magnets either stitched into the edge of the sunshade or glued to the edge of the sunshade.
Nice. That would work.
Why don’t you Use the two track out of the desk to go into your camera for your audio feed I do it’s very successful especially the fact that you use in crowd mic as well so you get all the ambience
We do that sometimes, but it requires we leave the camera in a stationary area. Also, the mix from the board never equates to how it sounds for where the mix is. For example, in this video, we didn't have much bass in the console because the bass player was providing most of the bass from his stage cabinet; the bass would have been missed in the mix. The crowd mic would not have done well picking up the band; it would have done well picking up the guests.
No subwoofer makes me sad
What happened with that change from presonus to Allen & heath, why that change bud.
Also what’s the brand and model of the wireless mic for sax
We still use Presonus! The QU-16 is a backup to the Presonus 16.4.2. We'll use the QU-16 if the band(s) want to be recorded. I used a QU-24 about 2 years ago on a house system (liked it) and decided to get the QU-16.
I'm not sure of the wireless Sax mic. It belongs to the Sax player.
Эх, красотища. Кругом чистенько, постриженные газоны.
Команда из старичков (без обид), видно как устали, тяжело двигаться. Им бы молодых в команду, с удовольствием бы присоединился
Рэк с усилителями для мониторов я бы под сцену убрал, индикацией к себе ( в сторону пульта)
Смотрю, по старинке мультикором пользуются, на стейдж-бокс не хотят переходить. Неужели удобно эту тяжеленную колбасу таскать-разматывать?
В Америке все фирмы, где требуется перемещение оборудования/ инструмента, пользуются фургонами. Они у всех: звуковиков/ строителей/ электриков/ сантехников и т.д. У нас в России натрамбуют все в легковой авто и едут довольные
Привет - Многоядерная змея идеально подходит для шоу такого размера; он очень прост в установке и не требует электричества для работы. Вес многоядерника минимален по сравнению с весом всего остального, что мы использовали для этого шоу. Стойка усилителя весит больше, чем многожильная змейка. Спасибо за ваши комментарии!
Please remove the protective plastic from the screen… looks ”tacky”
Good eye. The plastic film is protecting the screen. I agree, it doesn't look good, but it has its purpose.