Is Water Fluoridation Safe?
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- čas přidán 30. 04. 2024
- There have been more than 50 studies showing an association between higher fluoride exposure and lower IQ, but is it cause-and-effect?
This is the third video in a five-part series on water fluoridation. The first two were Why Is There Fluoride in Water? Is It Effective? (nutritionfacts.org/video/why-...) and Side Effects of Water Fluoridation: Dental Fluorosis (nutritionfacts.org/video/side....
The next video is Why I Changed My Mind on Water Fluoridation (nutritionfacts.org/video/why-..., and the series will wrap up with Medicine’s Response to the Changing Science on Fluoride Safety (nutritionfacts.org/video/medi....
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the never ending cliffhanger series ...
This whole subject is a cliffhanger for me. I appreciate him breaking up the important facets of it.
it's to maximize annoyance
That's science for ya
you could look up a common fluoride additive: Fluorosilicic acid msds, material safety data sheet. Then ask is it ok to consume?
Keep in mind that mass dosing across populations using municipal water supplies carries many unknowns.
For instance, if that water is also used in agriculture, then the fluoride accumulates in the plants and soils, and returns back into the water loop via runoff.
If that water is used in cooking and food production, it accumulates in those food products. For example if Campbell's makes a condensed soup using fluoridated water, the fluoride becomes concentrated in the reduced liquid. When you prepare that soup you add even more fluoridated water.
If you bathe in it, your skin absorbs it.
Also, certain foods have naturally higher levels of are commonly grown in soils which are higher in fluoride. Green tea is one example. So you already may be ingesting it before you even think about drinking a glass of water.
And the whole purpose of doing this is to prevent tooth decay of baby teeth in children?
Great point. Ethically however there shouldn't even be a debate on this, involuntrary mass-medication of a population is wrong, regardless of whether the "medicine" helps the people in some way or not; public water flouridation demonstrates how government sees people as little more than cattle on their tax farm.
I love this channel!
Sugar consumption is the number one cause of tooth decay. Instead of just educating the public about how to reduce sugar in their diets, the government instead decides putting a chemical in our drinking water is the solution. One would think the sugar industry lobby had something to do with this decision?
@@grexzen Is it? The sugar/decay part isn't. They don't get tooth decay where they don't have ready access to granulated sugar and corn syrup (or foods prepared with those things). They have great teeth.
Water fluoridation is in order because its incredibly efficient: It's incredibly cheap and reaches the maximum amount of people possible, unburdening large swaths of the population from deal with early tooth deacy and the health and ficancial costs related. While public education is a much longer process and isn't as far reaching, at first. Any given country, being far away from reaching the goal of ideal healthcare, would be wise in applying both measures for maximum benefit in the least time.
@@doctorinternet8695 Whereas voiding granulated sugar, powdered sugar, added sugars, honey, and syrups dramatically reduces dental issues and cost even less than fluoridation . Too difficult to fight the companies that sell all the fake and sweetened foods--THAT's the problem. Nutrition. Fluoridation of water is a crutch to cover for the enamel destroying environment we create in our mouths when we eat "sugars added" foods and food-like products. The soda/food industry will never stop confusing the consumes to keep them buying their nutritionally-challenged food-products. As they do in other aspects of health.
ALCOA and aluminum manufacturing back in WWII is the real culprit. They reached an “agreement” with the government that it was okay to dump the byproduct of aluminum production, and later fertilizer, into the water supply.
With modern dentistry being what it is, a better question is WHY do we continue to artificially add it into the water supply when we don’t really need it. A dentist can prescribe fluoride rinses for kids with hypo plastic teeth if they are worried about it. Why risk it when there’s even a chance it’s not good for you?
Unfortunately the people who have put themselves in the position of making health related decisions for us are not fit for the role.
Those who can afford it, can purchase bottled spring water and run it through a filter before consumption.
Because the people who stand to make money from it have paid the politicians that make the decisions. It's the American way.
Two big reasons why: 1. not everyone can afford modern dentistry....an awful lot of folks cannot afford any dental visits at all let alone for kids. 2. prevention is much better than dental procedures! The levels of fluoride recommended in water sources for dental health are far, far lower than were found in many of these Asian studies.
@@Mr.N0.0ne Most public health professionals are absolutely fit to make these decisions.
@@Westernwilson don't medicate me against my will. By this logic why not add iron and other minerals or vitamins antidepressants or other drugs. Lots of people who need them can't afford them. You wouldn't do that so why is this any different? Flouride is found in nature so isn't arsenic. They can use the money it costs to add it to everyone's water to just give it to the individuals that need it. I'm certain the people that push this don't give a damn about the kids.
Thank you
I'll never understand this super short format with cliffhangers. What's the point?
That's how you know he's not bringing you actual science, this is just entertainment.
@@VICARI0S I think it is scientific communication, but his body language, demeanor and "rock star status" sure as hell doesn't help him refute your claim.
He wants to annoy people as much as possible
@@VICARI0S He is literally showing you video of the scientific papers he’s citing. If you have an intellectual conscience, you can check his sources for yourself. He links to all the studies.
I suspect he does this so as not to overload his audience with information all at once. He does give lectures and interviews that are obviously much longer, and you can find these on youtube.
As a layperson, I've always been curious how accurate IQ assessments are as a quantitative measure. Do studies suggest the mechanism by which the brain is affected in order to reduce IQ... looking forward to your next installment I guess. ;-) Thank you Dr. Greger et al.
Its not a causal link. We add fluoride to the water in highly poor areas which naturally have lower IQs due to poorer food/education/lifestyle in general. Pretty disingenuous of Greger to not point this giant reason out, he will know this fact and leaving it out is a bit sus.
@@ohhmanitscam IQ by itself is sus as well, as OP was hinting at. But this might actually be a case where it could be appropriately used, to compare a control group against the fluoridated one. Don't give a damn about the standalone numbers, want to see the differences across a *large* cross section. *That's* the study I'd like to see, to rule out other causes.
@@nathansimons9881 Not even just IQ but neurodevelopmental disorders, EQ etc are likely impacted and should be investigated.
IDK about IQ being that sus, it's a good measure when applied appropriately by them folks who study education and stuff (I got taught by a Maths lady who was one of those... outstanding teacher).
Obviously it isnt the thing people love to throw around "I have 130 IQ I am objectively smarter than a 129 IQer" ... it measures some core, dare I say primal (PATTERN RECOGNITION) cognitive ability that support much of our higher reasoning and problem solving.
TBH I have dental fluorosis and mild ADHD (plus probably 100+ IQ). Pretty mad at my local council for screwing me over like this
Amazing content. But I have a very hard time following his speech cadance 😢
What about hydroxyapatite?
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I've been drinking distilled water for many years. It's the purest water in the world. Just for the record, I get my minerals from plants and not rocks.
I've been drinking from a well for many years. It tests to the same PPM as rainwater.
Where did the plants get the minerals from? Broken Down rocks 🤣
@@jsblastoff Duh! Plants take inorganic minerals and turn them into organic for people. Keep getting your minerals from rocks and watch your arteries slowly turn to stone. If you're lucky, you might even eventually get kidney stones. 😂
plants which get their mineral from soil, which comes from rocks...
I remember going to a series of City Council meetings in my town (20,000 people) 10 or so years ago. I was equally turned-off by both the rabid mob against fluoridation as well as the slick, highly-paid consultant who showed up with a generic slideshow (and a smug “we-know-best”local dentist).
The depth of discussion was maybe ninth-grade level. Both sides were absolutely adamant, all nuance was lost, and it was just a depressing experience - stupidification all around.
The Council voted to continue adding fluoride to the city supply. I did a lot of reading online trying to get to the bottom, and there I found both sides to be tribal and disingenuous, and the science murky.
I’m looking forward to Dr.Greger‘s study-based conclusions, and I hope they are in-depth and conclusive! It is a cliffhanger.
Nuance is becoming a lost concept. They've dumbed us down, and made us think we know more than ever. We form "camps" and become over-focused on winning and not learning. The first thing folks need to learn is how hard and fast they lie to us. I think we on the path of Devo.
I developed a pretty good IQ despite fluoridation in all my childhood residences, and fluoride toothpastes, and fluoride treatments in grade school. Not putting a lot of faith into those studies.
The comments section for this video is so weird. Did anyone watch the video???
The conspiracy theorists don’t care about the actual facts. They’re concerned only with defending their preconceived notions they learned from an internet meme that said Florida is evil
Yep, I did. It was really fascinating. A 7 point drop in IQ is really significant. I appreciate that Dr Greger acknowledged the potential shortcomings of the studies findings too. I'm looking forward to his next video.
Personally I've had a really up-down fluoride journey in my lifetime. As a kid, my mum actually gave me a fluoride tablet to chew after brushing my teeth each night with fluoridated toothpaste. I was raised on rainwater though, not treated town water. In my mid-20s I became convinced that fluoride was bad for you and ended up switching to natural toothpastes like salt, bicarb and even charcoal. Funnily enough, the salt worked the best for the cleanliness of my mouth and teeth but (probably because I was rinsing with green tea for naturally occuring fluoride) over time my teeth became discoloured and I went back to regular toothpaste. I switched later on again back to using tubes of natural toothpaste and my husband ended up with bad teeth (not sure if it was 100% the lack of fluoride), so I switched back to fluoridated toothpaste. The majority of my life I've drunk rain water though. Anyhoo, my teeth are incredibly clean and strong but I'm not sure whether that's due to a really healthy diet or also the toothpaste.
I think the food industry has set bots upon Dr. Greger and other whole food plant scientists. I mean if you don't want to eat vegetables why do you spend so much time watching Dr. Greger's videos? Are you that insecure about the food you eat?
Can you please ask your team to create an AI chatbot trained on all your content? it would be so helpful for Q&A. Many thanks!!!
That big team is asleep at the wheel-the website and the app’s UI is horrible to navigate in ten different ways and has been so for years.
I’m very appreciative of the content, but everything else is crap. I don’t know what all those staff people do all day.
I like how the governments always treat the general population like children. If fluride is cheap, and want it in your water, add it yourself. Let us be adults and make our own choices.
Fluoride in ground water could be buffered by calcium which would understate the harms. Calcium impairs fluoride absorption.
Wow, only thirty years too late. Cutting edge Mike!
Pretty sure he'll be opposing this data in the next video. Which is madness, imo, because can't we just live without the government mass medicating us?
@@velatogetNah, I think Greger will come through, he's usually based.
@@catalyst3713 I sure hope so!
Don't shoot the messenger!
If you want to blame someone then blame the politicians who insist on fluoridating our water.
@@jefflebowski918 Apologists are a dime a dozen.
No idea what he just said, i stopped drinking tap water at like 22 years old maybe it was too late lol
Perhaps you would have been 22 IQ points better had you not been ingesting the fluoride? 🤔
Finally we are about to enter the real interesting areas on adverse effects from water fluoridation.
Given the incendiary nature of the fluoride debate, which is often fueled by conspiracy thinking, I wish you had presented all your data at once, and made a clear distinction between the high levels that may cause issues vs. the low levels in community water fluoridation programs. And the cliffhanger ending sure does not help calm the debate...
This is just evidence for children. I didn't choose what to drink as a child, so my IQ has been set, presumably? Hopefully the next video presents evidence for adult health outcomes.
But you may have children of your own. Or nephews.
What do you think the dentists are doing scrapping your kids teeth with the metal tools twice yearly? 💰 🐄
what a silly question.
"Why I changed my mind" indicates that at some point in time, past or present, Greger had the opinion that water flouridation wasn't a completely idiotic thing to do. That's depressing.
How is that depressing? Changing your mind based on scientific evidence is something everyone should be proud of.
Why should he have formed a negative opinion of it at any point if there was no evidence? Sounds like you did just that
@@bradman3001 Scientific evidence isn't anything without logic and logically there was never any need to prove that adding chemicals into the drinking water was a bad idea. This data point isn't adding anything.
@@communismisthefuture6503 Of course everyone should have a negative opinion when there is no evidence. How did you even think to type that, lol. If someone wants to pour something unnatural into the village well then that person would need to provide incredible evidence off both efficacy and safety.
@@-Kerstin which the government did provide. Have you even learned about the history of Floride and how it’s a natural mineral found in many waterways?
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Point for alex jones
One thing not even discussed is fluoridated table salt.
Most Americans salt, is fluoridated.
Most Americans consume too much salt.
Hence why vegans who consume more sea salt and clean water, feel the way we feel about most our American peers intelligence.
The more ya know.
Respect to you doctor. "conspiracy theorists" were right again.
@@grexzen drink more if it makes you feel better.
@@grexzen okay so if you're going to post a comment like that you need to back it up... Prove the conspiracy theorists wrong. We will be waiting for your reply
@@joshw9558 The conspiracy theorists are rarely right because they go too far. Like, there's evidence that fluoridation can have harm x, y, or z, but the Tin Foil Hat Brigade does not accept this and always goes for broke with claims that it will make you sprout an extra head overnight.
Well actually, it really depends.
Here where I live conspiracy theorists, said you shouldn't use fluoride toothpaste...and delivered no scientific evidence.
Their Argumentation was that the people are deliberately being kept sheep, not that the current practice might be dangerous because of lacking evidence of safety.
@@joshw9558 That's not how it works. Someone doesn't make a claim and it's your job to disprove it. That's silly. Someone makes a claim and it's their job to support the claim. So "conspiracy theorists" should provide real, demonstrable evidence supporting their claim.
That's why we have MAGA voters.
Yep. Brain dead voters.
Let me guess: you voted for the worst President in history, a demented, racist, child sniffer, because "orange man bad" and "vote blue no matter who"?
@@wfpbwfpb Biden voters literally voted for someone with dementia.
Sounds like you got a MEGA dose of fluoride
@@grexzen great argument...for a middle schooler. 45 wants to keep the country out of war. Yet the current administration is starting WW3...easy choice for those smart enough to know the difference between news and propaganda.
No.
dumbing down of america conspiracy theorists doesn't sound so cucko coo anymore huh?
So that's why people still voted for Biden.
You’re gonna be crying hard in November 🤣
Biden voters are more educated so maybe they're just over compensating because they have high fluoride intake.
@@communismisthefuture6503 no... I don't vote... Or pretend it amounts to something. voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil
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