Evolution of the Chinook
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2023
- The Chinook is one of the most iconic aircraft ever produced, yet even now it remains a valuable asset on the field. In this video we look at the history of the Chinook, from it's first prototype to the latest proposed upgrade.
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I learned on A models, then Crewed and serviced B, C, and D models. My CH-47B still had beer can repairs from Vietnam.
WOW.....! Amazing that's just a indication of the durability of the design. That chinook must be in museum by know.
Does it drive you crazy when they mispronounce it "tchi-nook"?
Our sheet metal mechanics in the 205th Assault Support Helicopter Co Geronimos in Vietnam were experts at recycling Pabst Blue Ribbon cans. 🤣
I crewed B and C models. The Chinook with the "444" on its front crown cowling that appears in this video in Vietnam was my Chinook in Fort Lewis, WA, during my two tours with the 243rd Aviation Co. (Freight Train) from 1979 -1985.
It was converted to a D model by the end of the 1980s. Sadly, suffered a hard landing accident while serving in Afghanistan, which caused major damage to its airframe. I suppose it was sent back to the factory to be rebuilt.
The Chook and the Herc are two workhorses that are gonna stick around as long as their role exists
If it ain't broke don't fix it ! .
Humans figured out the utility of horses and ran them for thousands of years, same old song and dance
So do the UH 1 and AH 1 family to be honest, lots of software update but the general design still says the same
That’s a nothing statement, that applies to every piece of equipment ever
Also the BUFF lives forever. Soon the great grandkids will be flying it.
I worked on this program during the Block II upgrades. Being a fixing wing, fast mover guy, I looked down my nose at helicopters. I swore, I would never work on rotary wing stuff. But this machine is truly impressive. I came away from this experience humbled. I will say that today's F model airframe is not at all like the earlier C's and D's. Almost all of the structure has been redesigned and evolved into a very lean and strong airframe. While on the outside the F model still looks like its earlier counterparts, it is really nothing like its predecessors on the inside. Most all, if not all, its structures and systems are modeled in 3D solids or what we called Model Based Definition (MBD). I came away from this experience a better engineer.
Piasecki was a classmate and friend at NYU of my dad. A real genius. When dad returned from WW2 Piasecki wanted to hire him, but while Piasecki had advanced his aerospace knowledge dad had gone to sea and was too far behind and completed his degree in civil engineering.
In the 1950s my neighbor worked on project that used Vertol helos to carry recoilless rifles in the cargo door. An observer would watch from a hill while the Vertol waited on the ground. When the observer called in a target, the Vertol would pop up, fire a round, and drop back down. Tony claimed that the tactic had been used in Korea to take out North Korean tanks.
My favorite helicopter hands down. Always loved the Chinook!
Steady upgrades and improvements, leads to perfection. It will be hard to replace this aircraft, the replacement will have to be exceptional
No. Replacement just has to be mediocre.
A replacement for the CH-47 Chinook would end up looking like a Chinook in all but name.
Still have fond memories of skimming over mountain tops in Afghanistan onboard a Chinook. Still the smoothest riding helo I've ever had the privilege of flying aboard.
I can only imagine! It’s crazy when you see those videos of them with the tail resting on a cliff…..they just don’t move the way other helos do when trying to hover like that. Very cool and however you may feel now about your service I can tell you as somebody who was like 11 when 9-11 happened, your sacrifice and many others are why I was able to grow up feeling safe after such a tragedy. However corny it may sound anybody who enlists is a hero of mine. I’m sure you have some amazing stories as well but there are so many people that would thank you for your service if they could.
@@dizzleslaunsen2372 Thanks for the kind words. Yeah, I was a junior in high school when 9/11 happened. I had already made a decision to join the military prior to 9/11, but it did make things more interesting. 20 years of stories to tell actually. Wrapping up my service and will retire at the end of this month. It's been a fun ride while it lasted.
AND, it's faster than the Apache...😎
With all the then-new tech, the 'Hook could be considered the Osprey of its day. After a number of fatal crashes due to transmission problems, the program was considered for cancellation.
I remember as a kid in the in 1991, the Chinook doing flood rescue work in SE Queensland around Boonah 4310 way 👍
Had the honour of working on these in the RAF for twelve years, they were great days.
My dad was a gunner on one of the 4 armored ones when the were being field tested in Vietnam. He flew on Easy Money which is the only one to survive.
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The F15 x still looks like a F15 and its 50 years old
Great series and cant wait for more, but pls do a video were you show this is not a bot voice!
I noticed that as well! Very cool!
Great video, very well done. I know quite a bit about Chinooks and you were able to teach me some new stuff, well done.
The Chinook does hot and high better than any other western rotorcraft, even the new CH-53K King Stallion. As for vibration, the US Army has paused the Block II upgraded rotorblades because they vibrate too much in forward flight. As a side note, I'd much rather see images displayed correctly instead of flipped to match left/right edit norms.
I think the only thing that keeps the chinook from being phased out is its troop carrying capacity, otherwise the king stallion, with its 3 engines, has better lift and speed and more supply carrying capacity
An excellent presentation. Thank you.
Nice piece mate, thanks.
love the stories guys, more please
fantastic video....thank you
The introduction made me subscribe, I love documentaries
The Amazing Ageless Chinook!
*50+ years of service - first flight:*
- Boeing B-52 - April 1952
- Tupolev TU-95 - November 1952
- Lockheed C-130 - August 1954
- Lockheed U-2 - August 1955
- Boeing KC-135 - August 1956
- Northrop T-38 - April 1959
- Lockheed P-3 - November 1959
- Boeing CH-47 - September 1961
- Lockheed C-5 - June 1968
- McDonnell Douglas F-15 - July 1972
- General Dynamics F-16 - January 1974
Thank's very good 👍
Been waiting for a video like this about this helicopter.
Now I know more about the versions.
Sweden has a couple but the fuselage looks smaller so I see now it is one of the earlier models. Seems all of them are sea knights.
I enjoyed the chinook so much more than the blackhawk. It had so much more room when I had to ride in it.
I wonder if there is a viable way to redesign the transmission so that it could run 10x as long between maintenance?
I have always thought that Australia would be a good customer for the MH-47 if it wasn’t so expensive
Well, we are known for being "tight" with our money to get as much value as possible out of each dollar.
It doesn't always work out, but that is the intention.
What an aircraft. I have many, many, hours flying these bad boys. We often joked that the Chinook is the best aircraft that the lowest bidder could make 60 years ago.
I’ve been lucky sniffing to be able to fly in a chinook, very good experience
I started building d models in mid 1985 worked on every program up to the first 2 g-mods before going on to V-22 as the second shift lead, i always loved the chinook except the electronic bays aaah i got scars.
Crazy to see tail numbers Ive crewed in there.....
I love the chinook it’s my favorite ❤️ it’s loud AF
The name fits the shape chinook salmon are very long large fish.
Worked on "Shithooks" for the RCAF (447 Sqn - Heavy Hookers) from 1985 to 1991, when the Canadian Government shut us down and sold them off. We had the LAST of the "Super C" models in the world - basically C Models with Uprated (4500 hp) engines. Afghanistan showed what a HUGE mistake this was, and they had to buy all new ones.
They could be a nightmare to work on, but we also set the World Record for the MOST RELIABLE helicopter in the world with one!
Thanks.
My favorite heli since early childhood in the 60s :)
Iconic indeed. Only after the Huey for recognition by the public.
As an infantry scout I rode in Hueys, Blackhawks, and Chinooks. I loved riding in the smaller choppers, but felt like puking every time I rode in a Chinook. I blamed it on not being able to see outside of helicopter.
I remember a RAF Chinook crash in the early 1990’s when senior security personnel (Northern Ireland related I believe) were all killed. 20 odd + crew and there was news widespread that the aircraft was too difficult and dangerous to fly and should be scrapped. Looking back, nobody could have placed blame had the aircraft been scrapped. The Chinook is an iconic, one-of-a-kind helicopter (as sad as the crash was with its massive loss of life) I am so pleased it was not sent to the scrap heap.
i built those British mkIIs every one. i was the lead electrician on that program. first of all let me say this about that incident you spoke of, if you fly a chinook into the side of a mountain you can' blame the craft any more than you can blame the car for running into a telephone pole. they went to all kinds of trouble trying to get the pilot's off the hook but in the fog, off course, too low, exceeding safe recommended speed they flew it into a mountain. even tried to blame the new engine speed control, i tested every one of those systems my self i couldn't get it to steer into a mountain.
I lost a good friend that day, ZD576 I believe it was, knew the pilots too. Not the fault of the crew I believe but was eventually blamed on the dual engine control system, FADEC. RIP to all involved.
What an outstanding piece of engineering 👏
Lol. It’s a piece of crap! 😂
As a long time veteran of helicopters, including the CH47 Chinook, it breaks my heart to hear the narrator calling the rotor heads “propellers”, they are not, and never will be propellers, it IS ROTOR, ROTOR HEAD OR ROTOR BLADES, propeller is the realm of fixed wing aircraft.
One point I missed first time watching 👀 is that despite the narration saying that the airframe is basically the same as on the original version, I have to disagree, the Mk2 (new build not the upgraded MK1) had a vastly different airframe, especially in the area of the aft and fwd pylons, will milled single piece bulkheads and fwd transmission mountings being the most obvious changes, the aft pylon had the oil cooler installation completely removed and integrated with the Xmsn system so that I didn’t have to spend days inside the oil cooler housing/pylon area repairing/replacing the fan housing,stringers/longerones and skin panels, the aft pylon trailing edge assembly was beefed up as well, unfortunately that didn’t stop the cracking of the stringers, cleats and attachment hardware, in my experience I would say that at least 50% of the original design was upgraded and that vibration was still the enemy but far less degradation was encountered by the engineers (Riggers), tuning the rotor track and balance was massively improved by the new vibration analysis equipment that could (theoretically) tell the operator exactly what components needed adjustments, but it was not very good at that, most people who were qualified (me included) to operate the system and analyse the data preferred to use the Mk1 eyeball and experience to determine what adjustments were necessary to bring the desired level of track and balance into acceptable limits, and thus cut down the vibration levels throughout the aircraft.
I really really miss the WOKKA, it was so versatile and easy to keep serviceable, going on detachments and exercises with them was the best years of my service, didn’t have the arrogance of the fast jet personnel (aircrew and techies) or the heavy lift guys who were not arrogant but were a clicky bunch, helicopter crew and techies were down to earth and worked as a huge team, none of this “us and them” BS 💩, just a big happy (mostly) team with one goal, keep them flying and fit for anything or everything thrown at us.
when i was in training at Eustis i got to help the instructors disassemble 1 of 3 original 47s that was on display at the logistics museum
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CZcams has videos of Chinooks performing high speed maneuvers. That bird can not only lift It can weave and dodge.
Unrivalled amphibious capability
My baby, Geronimo 051, 66-19051, CH-47A from Vietnam, last seen as a D model in Afghanistan. She continues to serve her country. I'm sure my successors are taking care of her as well as I did.
i remember a troop getting out with us went to far and got picked up into the rotor wash . ouch!
❤ what an engineering marvel
It is amazing that several aircraft were designed with the then new turbo shaft engines just in time for the Vietnam War and those designs were pretty right from the get go. OK, there is always a demand for more power and longer range, that is a standard request from pilots and Air Forces!
The Huey, the Chinook and the Hercules came along and cut their teeth in the crucible of the Vietnam War and developed legendary histories and then carried on and on and on. How did the designers manage to get those three aircraft so right, that replacing them is a truly difficult task? It is certainly something that some aircraft designers and manufacturers have failed to achieve in their attempts to make replacement aircraft.
While there has been disappointment with some recent replacement aircraft, I think that it also shows just how right on the money that the original three were and how their designers managed to get things right.
Mark from Melbourne Australia
I miss the yellow and red Chinooks patroling the coast in Nova Scotia.
There was a saying during Vietnam, the “chinook didn’t fly, it beat the air into submission “. It would beat you bad.
First two descents I made were from Chooks. Williamstown, 82, Third Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment.
I remember my first flight in a Chinook as an officer cadet at Fort Bragg. I saw that hydraulic oil was leaking from a line towards the aft of the aircraft and there was a little pool by my feet. I pointed this out to the crew member and he said, “Don’t worry. If a Chinook isn’t leaking there’s something wrong…” I enjoyed the flight immensely and subsequent flights later as a serving armor and cavalry officer. I still remember those words from almost 40 years ago and they are still flying. Chinooks were old back then. The USA used to routinely make great aircraft like the Chinook but no longer.
cool story!
Yep, the saying goes, "if it isn't leaking, it's empty"
Don’t forget the smells and vibrations of those machines,,,, in Iraq we got escorted around and flown to here and there by Blackhawks when I was in Afghanistan the primary transport helicopter was the chinook, those mountains are tough to fly in but that chinook made it look easy,,,, loved my time in as an airborne infantryman, didn’t jump much as far as combat is concerned lmao we walked and got flown around in helicopters but still fun as hell, times I’ll never forget
I was with canadian commando and one day i work with sas one chinook near crash due transmission problems.the investigation was big deal.we have crash this year cfb petawwa.ont 2 people died the chopper was near new.the chinnok is most reliable machjne made.the chinook made a record in canada for arctic rescue.thank you video.calgary alberta.canada😊
When I was in the Canadian Forces in the 1970s, I had the misfortune to work on these pieces of garbage. The day that I reported in was the day the the first Shithook flew into a mountain after the blades front and back hit each other and flew off. They later bought more of this GARBAGE. .
I absolutely hated working on it and finally got a move to working on the Twin Hueys which was much better but smaller.
Nice 🇧🇷👍
would be interesting to know which RAAF pilots had the capacity to comment on vibration, since the only unit to operate Chinooks in Australia is an Army unit.
9 squadron RAAF was handed over to the army in 89 as 5th aviation Regiment
@@dathong608 The video references RAAF pilots claiming D and F models vibrate more in forward flight. The F model claim is the contentious part since they have only entered service recently. Not when the RAAF were flying them
I understand the added fuel tanks, (the side bulges), but why don't they widen the fuselage to carry more stuff, ( that's a technical term)?
Diminishing returns, the more load it carries the bigger the engine and rotors you have to have, at a certain point making it bigger becomes pointless because you can't move enough air quickly enough for it to even take off. The chinnock is at that a sweet spot where it can produce enough lift without having to have massive engines and fuel tanks.
@@shilltyYou need only to look at the Sea Stallions to see how big their fuel tanks and rotor blades have gotten and yet somehow they fold the darn things up to fit inside an Aircraft Carrier?
@@markfryer9880and yet it it is still smaller lighter has less range and less lift capability
My dad was a chew chief in CH53s in Nam and he used to call these crowd killers he was not a fan of this helicopter.
Even British Airways operated a civilian version for passenger services between the UK and the North Sea oil fields in the 80s.
I believe they also operated passenger services at London Heathrow and New York JFK airports
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Spent many hours riding in US Army Chinook CH-47's in Vietnam, 1969-1970. Great value for US Taxpayers.
..........Soar Forever!....❤
The Chinook is a fine helo, but why didn't Bell
03:20 Not 'propellers' , rotors.
(Dad was 12 Sqdn Ldr RAAF Amberly 74')
Yep, made that correction in the closed captions about 15min after we posted - sorry about that, didn't pick it up until it was posted. Your dad must have been the first or one of the very early members of the newly reformed 12SQN - my dad was Wing Commander John Dahlitz, CO 12SQN in early 80s).
Not much fun for paratrooper drops; platform can be unstable, slow speed allows slo drop and chute deployment to slow opening.
Do we still fly it in the RAAF? (Thought we were rid of it years ago) The Chinook even outlifted the CH-64 Skycrane when we lifted the statues off Centrepoint Sydney
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I was at RAF Odiham in 1980 when 240 OCU collected the first Chinook to come over from the States in a container ship, getting all the publicity. I was posted in ASF.and was involved with going to either Southampton or when the dockers there were on strike, to Liverpool to collect the remaining 32. Oh happy days and memories.
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If you ever see. Chook go in it will scare the tripes out of you. If you are going to run the dual rotor you better have very good maintenance and keep it up.
60 years of Chinook in 2021.
These days it about the only Helicopter left that still uses a fore and aft Twin-rotor. Outside Russia everything else seems to use the Sikorsky single rotor and tail boom configuration.
Twin-rotor design definitely complicates maintenance, but the redundancy and higher lift capability it brings seems to be worth the higher cost and complexity.
Knowing that you still have one main rotor left in case one fails, meaning you can at least land in an emergency, must bring a lot of peace of mind to the crew. Same with twin-engine fighter aircrafts.
@@offspringfan89 Given the placement, if a rotor went in a Chinook would the other be controllable? Certainly, if one engine goes out the other can power both rotors but a gearbox failure in one would probably be as fatal as in any single-rotor helicopter.
I believe, B-52 would be fighting even in the Mars independence war.
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How come a well researched piece of film about helicopters still uses ‘propellors,’ instead of ‘rotors’?
Can't wait to see them in the Bundeswehr.
There really should be no surprise that the helicopter fuselage hasn't changed much. Comparing it to fixed wing designs is nonsense.
When on a video of this caliber i hear "propeller" instead of "rotor" on a helicopter, i start doubting the facts.... because if they does not know the difference on this level, what else can be wrong...???
If you need emergency dam repairs, get a Chinook on the job.
Everyone is pronouncing his name wrong. No big deal or anything but as a Polish person it’s kinda funny hearing Americans mess it up.
The first part of his name is only one syllable. The P and IA are not “pee-yah” or “pie-yah” but “pyah”. Sound it out 👏
The rest of the pronunciation is good except the C at the end is not silent.
It’s a “tsssssss” sound. As in tesTSSSSSSSSSS.
PYAH-SE-TSSSSSSKI
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0:45 and 11:37 show a CH46 not a CH47.
The first instance was supposed to be part of the story of the evolution of the tandem design concept. The second instance shouldn't have been there.
Chinuk or chinook?
Which is better, Chinook or V-22 Osprey helicopter?
Rotors ... not propellers. Pls use the correct terms.
Yes of course - don't know how that slipped in there.
CAFB Shearwater should be fully funded and re-instated as a fully operational base as a joint operational base for aircraft. This is nothing against the current helicopter operations, but we need this joint operational base reinstated to Coast Guard, Navy, and Air Force air support.
I know my idea of aircraft carriers is never going to happen, but we should have 4, 2 on each coast. 1 active, one in maintenance. I fully understand the expense of this, but if we look forward to the time our home an native land will come under threat because of oil, gas, fresh water, grain, wood, Uranium, rare earth metals, iron, nickel, gold and silver....
Said it before and I'll say it again, if we are not prepared to call all Canadians equal, black, white, pink or yellow polka-dot, we are positioned to be a sitting duck for others, the moment the USA is forced into a major conflict.
What can we do besides send diplomats and complain if such a thing was to occur?
We need our military, we need more of then, and we need them to be able to be extremely effective, deadly, and able.
We need our best to have the absolute best. We need these military cats that serve as not just a problem, but an absolutely fear imposing force that protects everyone Canadian at any time. Take Artic land, you die, take one Canadian life up North, you die just like you should if you live in Toronto.
Sorry guys, I am passionate about this. If I piss anyone off, I truely believe that we have to invest so much more in the protection of our own.
they are just making it more sluggish and heavier
LOL. how about that?
It continues to be the fastest helicopter in the inventory. And way more agile and versatile than any possible tilt rotor replacement to date.
They are not propellers .. they are rotors .. this is a basic helicopter fundamental it suggests you are reading a script with no understanding.
I thought it was Africans who had invented the twin rotar helicopter...? 🚁
Ah yes....one of my favs....The Sh*thook.....
It's an astonishingly ugly airframe for military use. Most other modern planes and helos are astonishingly aesthetically pleasing... but if it works, it works.
Base militar 9 ang donation ng pinas , Kahit 1 chinook helicopter hindi mabigyan ng kaalyado. Anong klase yan???? Sip sip.
if it aint broke..........................
ALWAYS thought the chinook was the dumbest thing made.
Well how do you feel now?
@@50k50000000000000000 it's STILL a pos.
We think the same about brick
Oh, yeah? Tell that to all the troops whose lives were saved in combat and all the civilians saved during disaster relief operations. You're showing your ignorance big time.
The military industrial complex is alive and well smh