Nader Shah is so BROKEN and no one realizes it. Insane.
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01:35 - HOW NEW PERSIA WORKS
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I'm glad you realized how busted the game modes are. As fun as fast wins are, things like Hercules and Voidsingers settler spam clearly let you speed ahead of the AI.
They did remove the whole "one city ethiopia" power though (you know, the old ethiopian power? The one that was "cities on hills gain science and culture equal to 15% of their faith output"?)
@@idcgaming518I’m pretty sure that’s still menelik’s leader ability
totally agree
@@cwooo92clips18 it is I just played a game with him
@@idcgaming518 they nerfed it indirectly rather than directly by making Soothsayers add a ton of co2 to the atmosphere so spamming a bunch of Soothsayers to make rivers flood with the great bath still works but makes you rocket towards climate change and apocalypse early in apocalypse mode
I personally enjoy "Realistic" game modes- Barb Clans, Corps/Monopolies, MAYBE tech shuffle/dramatic ages (like the idea for these, not necessarily the implementation). That way it still feels like Civ without having Cthulu worshiping Hercules build your entire empire in 3 turns
Big agree
Totally, while it's nice to sometimes have games when you just abuse the hell out of voidsingers, when you do it every single game it gets a little stale. No matter what I always run barb clans because hell, that's just a fantastic addition for anyone, and I really love corporations, I just wish the AI could use them too.
I enjoy seeing game modes, but I also enjoy seeing games without 'em. So switching every few would be the best I suppose.
Yeah thats very fair, I think especially for doing shenanigan games
Agree I like a mix of game
modes to keep it fresh
Definitely agree with a varied approach. Honestly, if the other societies got nerfed to Hermetic Order levels I'd say that mode would work as a staple along with Clans? Because the concept of effectively a secondary bonus set on top of your civ/leader bonus set is a cool one! But Owls and Voidsingers are just wildly OP and situationally so is Sanguine Pact (there may be no more broken unit in the entire game than the first Babylon Vampire).
"Diety++" (Advanced AI?) is a good game mode. Anything that buffs the AI.
Another one is Zombies, cause nobody does it, but one where you convert the zombies to your side. Maybe an Abe Lincoln/Zombies (for the memes)..versus all the warring civs
I think I've been brainwashed by potato. I saw the stone quarries and floodplains and immediately started planning giga IZs in my head....
Wait….is that where I got it from as well? 😂
I am exactly the same lmfao
Would love barb clans and monopoly game modes considering the depth they provide without over saturated extra complexity
I'll probably add barb clans every once in a while for sure
@@boesthius im also a fan of playin with just clans and monopoly. Im worse at the game tho so idk how OP monopolies are. Dunno how well the ai uses them but theyre p fun
I agree! To me these modes just add features the base game should have had by default.
Yepppp barb clans + monopolies that is so sweet
Here I am, making dinner while listening to Boes, I hear him break into laughter mid sentence, I barely look down before I realize he found a natural wonder. Love these CZcamsr games even if I’m at least a year late
When showcasing a Civ's capabilities, I prefer no game modes. By not using game modes, it really makes you more reliant on the Civ's unique aspects.
However, when showcasing certain interactions between mechanics (Eleanor+Voidsingers, Hungary+Himiko+Owls) or just having fun, that's where I think game modes are a great tool.
Oh my, Babylon + Sanguine Pact is an interaction to showcase. Considering Babylon's game is already built around having a small number of utterly broken units, effectively having an extra one for free is...
23:17 Hi, Boes. It’s me. It’s Cascadia. The guy who does this to you annoyingly often, the language guy.
The word, in Attic (Hellenistic) Greek, ἀγωγή, is pronounced: ah-gō-gĒ, like in tree or three.
But Doric Greek speakers, like those of Sparta from which the concept stands from, (The word was used for the crazy training regiment the Spartans went through), say it with a soft ‘e’, so like an ‘a’; like trés or thread.
So, uh… yeah! Pick one?~ Either works!
I prefer no game modes because it demonstrates the civ better.
No better way to show how underrated a civ is than to see start next to a wonder and have a plus 6 campus right at the start
ALSO Also: the pronunciation of "agoge" kind of depends on which dialect (and period) of Greek you are speaking. In Ancient Attic Greek (the variety of Ancient Greek typically taught in schools) it would be pronounced "AH-go-GEH" whereas in modern, contemporary Greek it would sound something like "ah-gho-YI." There are a dozen other dialects from various regions and time periods that I don't know well enough to elaborate on but I think either of the aforementioned would be acceptable.
I always hear it places the first way. I believe that is the pronunciation in Biblical Greek as well. I think the card is a reference to Spartan warrior training, which was called agoge, so a classical Greek pronunciation would probably be appropriate.
BUT seeing as it would be Spartan (the term stemming from the military education they had) and thus Laconia, which according to Wiki probably was associated with West or Doric Greek (not Attic Greek), it was likely more toward the latter pronounciation - "ah-gho-yii" with accent on the latter syllable (ah like AH-lmond, gho as in GOne, yii as in YIN). Very much being a layman here though.
No game modes forces you to think more about how to incorporate your Leader's kit into your strategies and counter-strategies to compete for a win condition. Playing with no game modes (maybe barb clans is the one exception) is definitely how Civ was intended to play.
I recently came to this conclusion, I much prefer clans mode over how obnoxious the vanilla game barbs are
Having a camp spawn right outside your borders on turn 15 and the scout appear 2 turns later was ridiculous. At least with clans they can be bribed off.
When I looked at the title calling him broken, I thought it meant he was omega good. Like, looking over the DLC civs so far, he feels like one of the weaker ones on paper. But then you explained he was literally broken, and that just kind of stuck him on par with all the stupidly good DLC civs we have gotten so far. Shoutouts to the new Kongo being like the best civ in the game btw.
I thought I rolled really well as Persia with 3 Iron near cap, but my neighbors were Saladin (new) and Chandragupta. By the time I got immortal spam out Saladin had 250 sci/turn and by the time I got knights, Chadragupta was on 350 sci/turn. The Deity AI buff is real.
I started my Nader game yesterday, i was going for a Culture Victory (? But Kublai was my neighbor. Dude decided it was very big brain to declare a surprise war.
He has a 4 pop city and i'm going to knock on Poland's Door, with Vietnam as my Military Ally.
Tldr: Peace no no, me bonk
23:16
You asked for the correct pronunciation of agoge. A little fact about the card: 'Agoge' was the term for how Spartan boys were raised. From that, we can determine it is Old Greek and must be pronounced in such a way. We know Doric Greek was spoken in Sparta (more specifically Laconian Doric Proper). My best guess, from what I have learned, agoge (or αγωγα in Doric Greek) is pronounced 'AH-gho-ghy' or 'AH-gho-gha'. The gamma (γ) is pronounced like the G in 'good'. The omega (ω) is pronounced like a long 'o', like when you do 'oooooh'.
Didn't intend to write such an article, my apologies. I hope it helped.
Have a lovely day everyone!
Edit: I elaborated a bit on the pronunciation after realizing it might be a little unclear for any casual reader.
So you mean it’s pronounced “aghoogha” .
@@AyushGupta-wn6zd No, that's the original Old Greek version of it, which is αγωγα. We anglicised it, making it 'αgoge/αγωγη' and that version is what I am mainly talking about in this comment, but yes, I also provided the pronunciation of the Old Greek original, which is your 'aghoogha'.
5 minutes in boes talking about Trajan voidslingers faith buying the world.
Me, using every game mode to cheese sub 180s..
I feel attacked.
This is secretly who I wanted!! 💗 I prefer very few optional game modes active too actually. I feel like most game modes make the game too easy
I think Game Modes are pretty good (some are really awesome!).. but sadly the AI cannot use them correctly, thus giving you, the human, an incredible advantage. Particularly : heroes, secret societies, etc. While others like barbarian mode are okay because not that relevant for a victory.
There are also "one time" mods that mix particularly well with one particular civilization (and even custom civilizations, that's something I rarely see youtubers play!) and thus you could use them to make a "meme" game once in a while too.
Yeah thats what I'm thinking as well, like use modes like heroes and the like for specific crazy niche victories
I hope, when Nader Shah is patched, they keep traders within your own cities with a base bonus of +1 faith and +1 gold that *increases* to +3 each from conquered cities. Having some nicer trade routes form the get-go is nice.
I agree with what you're saying about game modes. Barbarian Clans seems to be pretty cool but the monopolies, heroes and legends and secret societies are too game changing to let each civ have its own flavor
I think monopolies are alright, but I agree with most of the other modes.
I like monopolies because it’s a luxury buff
Seeing this makes me super happy, because I hadnt realised how much of an advantage game modes give the player (specifically heroes and secret societies), i dont have the new frontiers pass. I had always been worried on the speed of my progress in terms of where im at by certain turns. Cheers for this vid. In regards to the content, I know youre now branching out away from civ vids but if you do produce them again, I think a 50 -50 split between game modes yes or no would give good variety. Since Ive only recently just subbed, Ive been binging your vids, and noticed you only have one vid (very short as well) playing as Australia. As an Aussie, Id like to see a full length Austrlia play through if ever thats possible. Cheers Boes, keep up the great work. :D
love the energy and enthusasm you have even for the recorded vids. Love your channel!
The live stream has the same energy. You should check it out when you can. Great stuff.
I see pretty much everyone run barb clans, heroes and secret societies. But when was the last time you saw a civ content creator do tech shuffle, dramatic ages, apocalypse or zombies? Would be a bit refreshing seeing those once in a while!
Honestly im so used to to secret societies because I always use it to get early Magnus and spam settlers no matter who I am playing xD
Pingala is the right choice in vanilla at least 90% of the time. If you have some crazy Magnus start and your civ is dependent on an early religion or wonder then that's maybe 8%. 2% of the time Amani is the only way to secure a classical era golden age and that's probably worth it as well. With secret societies on it's Amani's time to shine since each first suz is a new hero and you can move her around every 5 turns to keep rolling for Herc/Himi/Sinbad.
Barb clans and megacorps seem the most natural game modes. The idea of capitalizing on your start and diplomacy with barbs is cool. Secret societies and heroes seem a bit extreme
Only Barbarian Clans mode is how I always play my own games, for the exact same reasons as you gave
Personally I almost always use corporations and sukraticts oceans, and occasionally do secret society but try to not do faith stuff with it
I like no game modes from time to time as well. However, I do think the less popular modes may provide some enjoyment if used creatively. I did a Shaka game using the Ikanda + Preatorian Guard as a development district and it was fun. Also I still would like to see a game where people finally use apostles to convert zombies
Currency really is important. Playing Gaul RN. I did currency after I got oppidums. Executed a nice man at arms great general rush (vanilla Gaul with man at arms when you build oppidum). They actually declared on me before that when I settled next to them (was not a forward settle at all). Anyway, I had two iron mines and black marketeer, so I sold everything to get the gold for man at arms upgrades. Before I could start on those commercial hubs they declared a 30 turn emergency and I had to fight other people and couldn't peace out. The war has been going forever now. So needless to say I am in a 2 front war with man at arms and crossbowmen on like turn 80 and was in the negative gold range for a while. Finally fixed it with commercial hubs, which I'd loved to have built sooner.
I really like the no game modes showcasing new civs (with the exception of Barb Clans or Tech Shuffle). Though something like Dramatic Ages is mandatory for the new Suliman
In reference to the question posed at around the 6minute mark; I typically play either solo or 2-player co-op rounds with my friends. We *usually* (but not always) turn on Secret Societies, Monopolies & Corporations as well as Barbarian Clans but consequently turn up the difficulty as well. If we don't have any of the additional game modes on, we leave the difficulty as is. I think watching games either using or not using them are both appealing and almost always wind up learning something new (which is why I find interest in watching them in the first place).
Thank you for finally saying it, Boes. Nader Shah is so underrated. That +5 combat bonus and yields on domestic trade routes is so much better than Cyrus's +2 movement for 10 turns only when declaring surprise wars. I'd say it's even better than Magn Saladin's 15% bonus only in golden ages at the cost of not having Jannissaries.
That “RUN 👹” made me subscribe
Thats pirates meme earned you a sub xD
I'm a fan of switching it up, haven't seen no game modes in a while so I enjoyed this.
Also, your laugh reminds me of Jimmy Carr and it's wonderful
Dramatic ages mode is by far my favorite mode, but the balancing for diety AI is pretty bad. The policy card changes are actually really cool and fun to play around, I think it's the best multiplayer mode, but no one else likes to play it because they don't know what any of the changes are ;-;
As for game modes, I like having game modes on cause they spice up the game but I also like having them off cause playing the game the same way every time gets boring. I would love to see one meme game (if you haven't done this already) where you play with every game mode on at once (except maybe Zombies cause that one just sucks)
Wow, didn't know Boes was a Railgun appreciator
I don’t mind game modes (although apocalypse mode with the meteors etc is a bit dumb). I normally play with mods, so if anything the more broken the better. I’d like to see you try the civilisations expanded mod which makes every civ ridiculously op and/or the conquer mode mod which allows you to pick up abilities from civs when you conquer their capital. Either way, playing without the game modes is fine too, although city state conversion is fun so maybe keep barbarian clans on?
Most games modes are just broken from the point of view of balance.
The barbarians is the least broken one IMHO. You can still game a bit by chain plundering and recruiting units, but overall it just offer options rather than break balance.
Monopolies, heroes and secret societies are just ridiculous. They are fun to play once in a while. But they just don't fit the "civ" thing IMHO (having vampires to conquer germany? )
I like games with the Tech Shuffle mode. I like seeing PAIN AND SUFFERING I mean creative workarounds and a focus on eurekas and inspirations to make the most of what you have.
No one would ever want me to suffer ever no wayyyyy not at alllll
i don’t like using game modes all the time, but i think corporations aren’t necessarily super op like ss and heros, it just gives you benefits for having extra luxuries in the same city and adds another layer to the strategies on settles
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make a poll about the gamemodes with 3 options
yes gamemodes
some gamemodes
no gamemodes
lets see if the community can pull a 33% everywhere
I’m loving the energy from YT Boes. No offense to chat, but I really like this format!
23:10 agoge is pronounced ah-go-gay. There is an interesting blog post written by a historian about how sparta is pretty overhyped by modern media compared to their historical significance. its on a blog called "a collection of unmitigated pedantry" several posts called "this isnt sparta".
Loving the edits
Agoge - (greek is áywyń)
Pronunciation, ah-go-gay (g as in gate)
Rough translation - manner of life
Hope this helps
Thank you!!!! I always want to know
Game modes are fun but yeah, they do change the game. Even the barb clans ends up adding a bunch of city states on the map. Which is a ton of free science or culture or something when you get your envoy's out.
And makes Kilwa more reliably busted than ever...
How about no modes, but the BBG-Mod is turned on? Play one of those busted Magnus-Internals-Civs; like Cree, or Kublai China (The increase from 40 to 50 for Eurekas and Inspirations is actually 25% and it is +20% during Golden Age for Eurekas or Inspirations)
I like game modes when they accentuate the strengths of a particular new leader or civ - like doing Owls Portugal for example - but generally no game modes is more fun to watch for me. I do like a mix of regular games and broken memeing though so using game modes for broken memeing seems logical
i believe i would like to see barbarian clans always on and then play around with the others , maybe online one at a time (ik zombies kinda suck but maybe try it sometime idk) :))
Have you ever played Civ III?
It would be cool to see a CZcams play even one game of that. So many great features that got dropped
BOES BUILD JEBEL IN YOUR CAP!!! (I know this is far too late and the game is already done, but this civ screams "build Jebel")
What I find super cool is that you know this Anime with rail-gun (damn, so long ago I forgot the name).
I said before he released that +7 CS to undamaged units was huge. It's so incredibly easy to set-up and wipe out opponents with that ability
Hello from Madeira this time, im on vacation but i aint gonna that beardy upload, get a beard tattoo of every civ with a beard, xD
Pengala is only like 15% science and culture which isn't much when you are making 4.... But his next promotion gives a very large bonus to culture. Probably culture over the science one anyway, as it unlocks next promotion faster. So getting both promotions out early is more important than the one promotion. Magnus maybe 1 promotion, but even then chopping settlers is probably best use, so you want 2nd promotion again. Other option is the city state girl to get very fast city state. But then your looking at just delaying magnus or pengala.
love the recent content fella
This was a really exciting game!
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I really like the whole early war breakdown with no game modes as it can be a general guide for early war regardless of civ. I personally only play with barb clans but even that is kind of easier for the human to exploit than the AI.
As for the other modes especially heros and secret societies, they are fine but they dilute civ uniqueness and are much more about the game mode than the civ. It's much more of a "himiko/herc/sinbad/voidsingers" game/guide/series instead of a "Nader Shah Persia" game.
Barb clans and corps are the 2 I use. I feel like they add without making it weird. The tech and civic shuffle is cool but it takes a lot out of the game
Somehow I knew there'd be iron on the tile above where you're going place your holy site.
I think the UU swordsmen rush being nerfed by Man At Arms, is because the AI on something like Deity can B-Line the tech before getting Swordsmen if you wanted. They should have had those base units from the start because they didn't mess with the flow of the tech tree to make it feel better.
I have a separate suggestion, game play mods! Personally the modded secret societies have been very interesting to play as, ones I know and use are knights of Solomon, pirates, and space emasarry (I think that's what it's called) it really spices up the mode seeing what circumstances each provides and seeing which ai civs take which!
Oh I just remembered another mod that adds somethings to existing mechanics, new city state types. Luxury city states, diplomatic, farm ect. Really fun seeing them especially with barb clans mode
Oh yeah I'll look into those!!!
Absolutely crying with Mogadishu...
Build that Preserve!
upgrading to trebuchets with mercenaries costs only 80gold a piece while chopping them instead of catapults costs 75% more production (from 120 to 200), since 1 productions is worth 4 gold it would be 4 times more efficent to chop catapults and then upgrade them
For me personally I'm interested in a bit of a mix, but I agree with barb clans always being on. I'd also like to see game modes that can especially thrive with a civ! You get a bonus for a lot of kills? ZOMBIES! Or some more silly stuff that might just be a 'Deity Stomp'. Totally not saying this because I'd REALLY like to learn how to rig the dice better so I can beat Deity more legit than a religious 1 v 1 victory vs. OG Kongo. *Coughs in hardstuck Immortal* Also I loved that you coinflipped! I did suggest it but I'm sure I'm not the only one, that said I do like it because I'm looking forward to both.
I beat diety as cleopatra on a pangea once..... and now I just play emperor 😂
@@joehelland1635 I respect it tbh. I've played King for years just because that was the difficulty I'd always win on and I have a weird obsession with winning even in single player.
I always run Barb Clans, and usually Secret Societies and Monopolies and Corporations. Though I very rarely pick Voidsingers tbh. Usually I pick Hermetic Order
I feel like game modes are more fun when they're thrown in to add some spice, rather than added as part of the strategy. Barb clans are kinda the best for that, since you cant control what state they become. But Secret Societies is kinda bland when its put in for specific game-busting synergies.
I ended up not doing any game modes other than industry/monopoly as everything else was just too much lol.
I enjoy corp and monopolies when not going culture. The AI doesn't do anything special (Although maybe on diety) but it just makes it more interesting. Imo of course.
I agree with you, I've been enjoying not using game modes these days. They're kinda OP and the AI doesn't use them well, makes the game a bit too easy.
long time boes viewer. love that ur playing without modes. they easily can shave 50-75 turns off wins. some of them feel a bit OP. glad to see u playing without them. the lowest deity W non-mode ive gotten was on turn 278 as teddy. every mode besides clans and monopolies pretty much breaks the game
I'm on team mix it up with the game modes. Sometimes regular Civ is best, sometimes keeping it simple with jest Barbs and/or Monopolies is fun, and sometimes having the spice of everything being on at once is a nice change.
With so many domestic trade routes making marginally equal yields, might as well try to build university of sankore and focus the routes towards one pingala city for the extra science boost
I rather no game modes because luike you said it makes the civs shine + it feels like heroes and secret societies are kinda broken
You said that you dont see much of Portugal in ur games and holy shit you are right. I dont think i even played against it in 250 hours of my playtime xd
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Portugal: Settles 4-5 tiles from two of his cities
Boes: How dare he!
It's the principal of it
@@boesthius That principle being ‘I want it all’
Barbarian clans and corporations are the only modes that keep the original game as intended intact
Game modes are neat to break up normal gameplay, but I think each of them are broken in their own way, such that there’s some really overcentralizing strats depending on which ones you turn on.
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I overall love the secret societies, corporations and heroes; my problem is that the rest of the game doesn't really balance around the massive power spikes like doubled trade routes/giga yields from faith with secret societies and tripled yield with a good corporation.. The spikes are for the most part well timed (corporation tech unlock, Cthulhu title unlock with era) so maybe that could be patched up with a mod modifying prices past certain point
I like the game modes, but I've been enjoying the no game mode ones
Barbarians and Monopolies feel very much like parts of the game that should be in the base and it feels weird to not have them enabled imo
Yeah barbs especially, if monopolies didn't have the tourism part of it I would heavily agree
How about a game without any modes but Dramatic Ages to celebrate the fact that the Culture Industry bug is finally a thing of the past?
Would be a good opportunity to test the new Suleiman persona, or a Civ that's really strong in it like Georgia, Mapuche, or America
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Awesome intro haha
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I do, my the fastest diety win ever was with him, 125 turns!
i like no game modes but thats because thats how I play, cool with however u end up doin it
I was reading his abilities and I was like shit this sounds great! and I immediately see like 3 videos saying "USING WORST LEADER IN THE GAME?!?!" and was so confused.
I am main domination person do it def makes a lot of sense that it would benefit my playstyle haha
I'm fine without the game modes, but if you aren't going to play Heroes and Legends, I need you to do the over the top "WHOOOOOOOOOOOA" scream you do when you discover Himiko and apply it to something else.
Discovering Mulan - OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHIWIXNWODJNTORJXJWJ
I would love if from now on you always played secret societies but you can only take hermetic order.
quite literally broken, now we wait for the fix
I often prefer no game modes as well
Maybe it is intended that your capital, as Shah, isn't "founded" by you. It just sort of... is. I guess it depends on what the meaning of "is" is, if I might quote Bill Clinton...