Building a Soundproof Garden Room - Intro & Roof Structure (part 1)
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- čas přidán 22. 08. 2024
- I’m building a garden office / studio space and it needs to be more or less soundproof. I struggled to find many videos on CZcams about this so thought I’d make a new mini-series about my approach to this.
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Conversely, my partner is an engineer. It has been PAINFUL with him building my kitchen extension. Up, down. Up, down. Resetting, re squaring up. And then, standing back and critically examining every joint. It looks great. And, I am now an authority on mortar mix, block weights. Imperial size bricks and wall plates. Bless.
I feel your pain on shoddy trades, it's one of the reasons I do as much as I possibly can myself now.
Stu Crompton has a great brick laying channel. Learnt so much
He has a great channel. 👍
He does indeed. Brilliant channel.
Yes, Stu is good!
I'd also recommend
Rob Songer.
He makes brilliant tutorial vids.
@@goodcat1982 true that not all his videos are tutorials, but he does have a few and those are all very good. It's not like you need a 1000 videos on how to lay bricks?
@@goodcat1982 Charlie collision 👍🏻
Looking forward to coming back to binge these in 5 years time when it's all done and Andys long moved out onto his next project 😀
Stop it! We're not moving this time!! 🤣🤣
I’m impressed Andy. So March 31st was your Geordie summer. Downhill from there. 🌞 Nowadays it takes me a week to do a days work. Stay safe
Ha yeah, that's summer done. Comes earlier every year up here! 🤣
We don't have the luxury of many of the tools you guys have here but we try our best with what we do have. On my Housebuild going on right now everything is done manually. It is taking longer but we will be finished when it is finished.
The scrap wood and clamps to hold the wood whilst you fix it is genius x
This is priceless for me! As you say, there are so many different opinions on soundproofing and construction for a studio, but anyone like you who has gone to the effort of making such a detailed video of your build deserves a big thank you! How long do we have to wait for the next in the series? How's the build coming along?
My brother is building me a garden office atm. To get round the 2.5m rule, we're having a step down from the door. The concrete blocks will be waterproofed inside so no damp. He's just built pillars along the single layer of concrete blocks. We'll then insulate, plaster board etc. Also as the door is more central, he's made a pitch over it to again give more height inside - bit difficult to explain without pictures. The roof is being tiled to match the house. Interesting to see different methods.
Fantastic! Are you on Insta? Post some pics... or e-mail contact@gosforthhandyman.com 👍
@@GosforthHandyman I'll email them tomorrow - need to take pics and it's dark.
Did the same, step down --- mostly because I wanted a green roof as it's 25% of whole back garden, while 60% is a concrete 1980s patio plus some more passage leaving less than 5% bedding. Roof joists for carrying 120kg/sq m eat up vertical space.
Sent them yesterday. Posting just in case they went into spam folder.
@13:00 Yeah, we here in The Great Industrial Northeast across the pond have similar weather. One day summer, the next, back to winter.
Love the way you link to both Oakwood and Steve Roofer - those two have somewhat differing opinions about hybrid roofs!
Ha really? They're both awesome channels. I've seen Liam's vids about hybrid roofs and sure they're fine. Not many options with the permitted development thing. Wish it was 2.7m instead of 2.5! 🤣
@@GosforthHandyman Great vid, mate. Personally I'm in the Steve camp on hybrid roofs. There are (to my mind, and what do I know...) too many flaws with the hybrid idea, not least the multiple perforations of the vapour barrier for installation of the down lights. It's either warm or its cold and if it's cold, I think it needs ventilating.
@@CharlieDIYte Yep - for a proper hybrid roof to work it needs at least half the insulation above the structural deck (i.e. as per a warm roof). Oakwood's 'hybrid' roof is essentially a cold roof with no ventilation. They might just about work in a garden room provided the humidity levels are kept low (so no shower rooms).
The commercial composite panels that Tim from Restoration Couple used (and Oakwood have trialled recently) look very promising - you get a warm roof + structure + weatherproofing + internal finish/vpc all in a ~100mm depth.
And these are all excellent videos, as are yours. So much more informative and helpful then the Collins DIY Manual I've got sat on the shelf!
Well done, Andy. Great job. Can't believe the cowboys couldn't even get the wall straight. Good on you for getting on with it.
This is brilliant, really enjoying the films of this renovation. It must take you so long to set up, edit etc. Thank you.
Cheers! Yeah, filming triples the time it takes to do a project unfortunately... but I try to get the best bits. 😁
Great set of videos Andy ,particularly as i had 35 years in the building industry doing various jobs from laboring to Architects snagging lists. Oh one thing you cannot beat a overhang on a workshop keeps the weather at bay.
Yup, nice big overhang - will look great with some spots. 👍
I feel your pain going through it all Andy. I built my own 30m2 timber workshop during Lockdown 1.0 95% single handed. Some of those wet beams are HEAVY.
Jesus, you planning to park a car on that roof? Love the videos btw, can't wait to see this house progress in real-time!
Ha ha cheers! The weight of the ceiling will probably be similar to a car. 😁👍
I just said the same thing. LOL.
I used 2x7s on my bathroom floor at 30 centres at 3.3m span. No issues. Full tank of water. Massive glass shower and a bath. Building control signed it off no issue
Nice work Andy. Im watching this and thinking this is how i should have built my workshop.
Yes, I am very familiar with those concrete blocks. I used them when I was in business to level mobile homes. I had a complete system to level and stabilize mobile homes so the piers didn't sink in the mud or dirt.
They weigh about 45-50 pounds each.
I know because I had to calculate the load weigh of what I could carry in my trailer.
Arms of steel 👍😁🛠️
absolutely perfect timing on this, need to make a room as soundproof as possible in a busy environment and couldn't see many decent tutorials on youtube, looking forward to this part of the series
Cheers - hope you enjoy!
Our neighbours built a 2m kitchen extension in 2 weeks start to finish including all bricklaying ,plumbing, electrics and roofing and not a council official in sight !! Amazing what certain types of building firms can get away with when you keep it to your own community !!
Not now you have told the world
@@KARLOS121 good
Bulletproof construction with the twin wall and twinned C24 joists! I’ve got single C16s doing a 4.5M 12 degree pitch and they’re fine!
Yours will last longer than most new houses 😂👍
Cheers! Really hoping it does the job on the soundproofing front. Think it will. Time will tell. 👍😁
Glad someone else thinks this. I was worried I had undersurfaces under spec'd my garage roof. Will have to wait to see the roof Andy puts on this.
So excited to watch this build take shape. I'm in the middle of a garden studio/drum room as well. Two completely isolated leafs three plasterboard layers thick. We dug down a bit to gain some ceiling height under 2.5m but now unfortunately dealing with drainage issues causing it to flood 🤦🏻♂️ Here's a timelapse of where we're at czcams.com/video/s9SyrJ_VcFw/video.html
Did u finish it ? Any video ?
That's going to be a very strong roof, even though in the UK you don't have to be as concerned about snow load as we do in New Hampshire USA! I'll bet you'll be so glad to cover up the wonky joints of the cement blocks. Anybody would look at it and say, "That's not Andy's work!"
Yeah, that roof ain't going anywhere. It has to take quite a high load from the soundproof ceiling. 👍
You’re probably all over it but a cost breakdown would be awesome! Interesting vs the cost of a timber frame too although I appreciate they’re totally different beasts and you’d save ££ on Labour doing a timber frame yourself.
Awesome! I love working. I could watch you doing it all day! Just had a fortnight off DIY due to agonising bad back. Take care. Don't overdo it.
Cheers Mark! Time for a couple of days off now I think. 👍😁
You are doing a GREAT job Andy, Stay Safe Mate !!!.
Thanks for the video, love this series. Looking forward to the rest coming up.
19:27 BEAUTIFUL!!! nooice!!!
No window towards the house so the other half can flag you down? 🤣
Looking very good. I am liking this lesson on patience too instead of the usual "here's the before and here's the after" instantly, not only entertaining your audience but also rewiring our brains 🤣
Cheers, patience will be tested to the max on this one 'cause it's going to take me forever. 😁
@@GosforthHandyman Haha no doubt you'll get there, it'll be worth it in the end 👍
I always forget that saws come with 45 and 90 degree angles on the handle!
Great video Andy, really enjoying these series of videos.Nothing worse than when you employ a person in good faith to do a job for you and they let you down ! but you have come back very well from that set back ! well done stay safe enjoy the rest of your Easter weekend thanks for the video it was brilliant !!!
Cheers Michael! In hindsight I'm so glad I'm doing the roof myself. At least I only have myself to blame if anything goes wrong. 😂
Fellow CZcamser Stu Compton would be proud of you
As long as he knows I didn't do the blockwork 😁🛠️
I like your "jiggery pokery" Andy. If memory serves right, in my opinion, there was a cafe/shop in Northumberland with such a name. Very helpful video thanks
Hi Andy, I know you don’t want to name and shame anyone, and I am quite happy with that although without naming anyone if you could point out the problem areas it might act as very good knowledge as to what to look out for if we you loyal friends should find ourselves building a similar structure in the future. Andy, you do realise that 80% of people that watch this episode will not understand what “Cack handed means
Hi Andy, I have always loved your videos and found you when I wanted tips on how to get turf up easily when I started my garden room! Such a simple video (and quite obvious really, but at the time I had no clue!) and I've gone through so many in your channel since. I'm coming to the end of my project now, tackling the cladding, but it has been a very satisfying build. Thanks for creating such a fantastic channel. Karen
Thank you Karen and glad your project is going well! 👍🛠️
Great job Andy, been waiting for your new workshop to make an appearance, some awesome opportunities in that garden
Well done Andy, clear and concise instructions 👍
Andy you would need to put a damp proof at your door and window openings your inside block work should be returned to the outside block work otherwise the damp can travel to the inside wall .I am telling you this as I am a bricklayer not criticising your work I think all your work is excellent
Cheers bud! Yes, in the plan 👍🛠️
Nice one Andy... I have binge watched Liam at Oakwood and know all about building outdoor rooms... although i probably will never ha ha... Looking forward to part 2.
Yup - love his channel. He works at a hell of a rate too! Not sure how old he is? 🤔😁👍
Have a look at Ash Soan in the studio, he's a top session drummer, think it might be of interest to you.
Awesome drummer and his studio is amazing! 👍
Really loving these vids, Andy ! Keep 'em coming :-)
Thank you! 👍🤘
Excellent work and thanks for sharing this with us take care
Cheers and no worries! 👍
@@GosforthHandyman 🍻👍
I love your videos have learned so much!
Are you going to put a green roof on your workshop it’ll look good and blend in if it has flowers growing on the top or grass and it’ll add extra installation and soundproofing
Unfortunately it would break the 2.5m rule! 🙄
I wish I could hit like twice - what a great video; thank you!
Check out Tim from The Restoration Couple’s new workshop....looks awesome and a full start to finish diy project
Awesome - will check it out! 👍
nice video ,easy to follow ,well done G-Man
Could you point me in the right direction of other channels similar to yourself? I love how well you explain things you're doing. You don't just say how to do it, you say why and what happens if you don't and what can go wrong.
Someone local said that their water pressure had dropped during a conversation and I was able to confidently suggest that maybe their old lead piping had be crushed during some recent workt hey had done. It had and I looked like I was some sort of pipe god! Thanks!
Ha ha! You are a pipe god. Nice work. Not aware of any other channels as good as this I'm afraid. 😉😉
@@GosforthHandyman Keep up the good work! Always excited when I see a new video posted.
@@TheMassAnnoyance Skillbuilder and Roboin Clevett both worth a watch. Although they talk in funny accents like they're from the South of England, so it's difficult to understand them when compared to Andy's perfect diction.
Looks awesome!
Cheers!
Makes total sense to me!
Really interesting. I've been putting off building my soundproofed studio for far too long (5 years). Hoping to learn a lot.
Don't need one then.....!!!
Blimey, reckon you dodged a bullet by making sure that lot didn't do any more damage than they did. Nice recovery!
Cheers! Back on track! 🙄😁
If even you get messed around by shoddy builders, what chance have we (joe public) got?
None at all. I just got my driveway done by a well known local firm and I had to go out twice a day to make sure they were building it to the correct standards. This all started after I went out to discover that their levels were only 9cms above dirt for 5cm block paving. Makes me want to do everything myself.
Great stuff Andy 👍👍👍
Every man needs a man cave, nice build.
I built a soundproof studio within an existing garden log cabin. I built timber frames and boarded them with two layers of 15mm soundbloc plasterboard then stood them up so that the pb was facing the cabin walls. That was then insulated with sound insulating Rockwool. I then built another timber frame wall within that and insulated it again and boarded that with 2 layers of Soundbloc. The ceiling was done in a similar way, and as it was pitched it was quite awkward, and heavy lifting. Between the layers of plasterboard I used a product called Green Glue. The science behind this is that it separates the two masses of plasterboard thus making it more effective. The entrance door was two solid core doors, one opening out and the other opening in, both hung on separate frames. These were also faced with 18mm mdf. I could play music in there at 110dB and hardly hear a thing outside. Looking forward to seeing this build progress.
Fantastic stuff. It's hard work but worth it in the end! 👍👍🛠️
I can recommend a great book.
Home Recording Studio: Build It Like the Pros by Rod Gervais. Has loads of useful information in it.
Hi, did you put air bricks in to prevent moisture in walls and concrete floor? Doing a build now and not sure to use air bricks or not, don't want sound leakage nor damp 😑
i love these long elaborate videos ,it feels good to share what u been doing to us all in your own perception... er not to us ,i mean to show us what u been doing lol
Ha cheers bud! 👍👍
I've noticed all the treated timber I've bough as of late has been very wet, like its only just been cut. lucky that id done my workshop roof before i had this issue.
Yeah, this was crazily wet. Like water dripping out when you screwed a screw in. 😬
@@GosforthHandyman yes i had that first time on a job at the start of this lockdown when i did a canopy for someone. as you say every screw you put in you got a pint of water out, i really wanted to leave the timber to sit around and dry for a while before using it but they did not want to wait so now im waiting for it to warm up and the timber shrink creating gaps everywhere
I'm nearing the end of my first big project, small shed rebuild. When I put the wall plates on I didn't do any cement bed, oops (joining wood with cement still seems odd). Plenty of wall straps though (they recommend you use twist nails rather than screws into the wood). But first I spent the summer learning how to do brickwork.. outcome okay but absolutely hated it. For a commercial job that block work looks, ermmm yeah..
Nice one! You'll be fine without the mortar if the top is relatively level and flat. 👍
Really useful video, what was the size of the wall plates you used? Also what size joists did you use and what was the overall span? Thanks !
Cheers for the vid mate. I am doing something similar and also had builder nightmares leading to dismissal. Worse than yours though!
What will you be doing for damp proofing? Is there a DPC on the inner leaf? Cheers!
Yes, DPC on both leaves 👍
Great job but a few remarks: 1) there's no ventilation in between the outside- and inside wall??? means that your insulation gets moist because the outside wall will retain water. The moist wont go away easily, the insulation absorbs the moist, eventually transferring moist to you inside wall en causing spots on your plaster....Would have been better to use PIR insulation in this case , that doesn't absorb moist. Otherwise, there should have been small holes in the outside wall bottom and top for ventilation. whether it has to be soundproof or not. 2) using cement as an adhesive for connecting wood (joists on top of wall) with concrete (wallblocks) ???? That's very odd and waiting for problems: it will separate sometime. You'd better use small levelling strips (like they use when placing windowframes) , then drilling/screwing into he concrete blocks and fill the gap doublesided with expandable glue. Just as well insulated and for constructive reasons way better imho.
Cheers! Outside wall will be clad so wall shouldn't be getting wet. 👍
Wall cavity filling with insulation if done properly does not allow water passage across the cavity, as the fibres in the cavity wall insulation are deliberately vertical, thus water will descend to the damp proof course, which should be a cavity tray with weepholes. I didn't see any weepholes here, but as the building will be clad it's not a problem.
Oakwood's is amazing and Liam is very helpful and if anybody is interested he's doing a raffle at the minute for charity and it goes to a really good charity. He also has a FB site that is very helpful and full community full of help
I'm not on FB but his YT is an amazing resource. 👍
@@GosforthHandyman if you ever do go on it's a fantastic group and they have some great ideas that go in to more detail. Keep up the great work bud
I've never seen a piece of wood mortared in before. I didn't know you could do that.
Just a question. How does cladding the outside work for the building regs of non combustible material? Just asking as I would be in a similar situation. Great video!!!
Cheers! Good question and building regs themselves didn't know the answer to this. The terminology is "substantially non-combustible" which this is, but I would check with your local building control. 👍
Can I ask what you did prior to laying the blocks in terms of foundations and cement pad etc? Thanks. Looking good so far.
Much better off getting firring strips cut and pitching the roof level all the way round. Means level ceiling inside and fascia bottoms level on outside.
Adds height that I can't afford to lose and a lot of extra cost.
@@GosforthHandyman I would actually prefer the ceiling sloped. I think that the gradient from back to front will make the room feel bigger. Although I do get the preference for fascia bottoms being level.
Champagne dreams with lemonade pockets come to mind .
Late again - anyway, FYI the nominal cube strength of a 1:6 mortar is 3.5 N/mm2 - this is not directly comparable to a block cos you test the whole block and not a cube, so the shape will affect the final strength. Still, I thought someone might like to know they are not a million miles apart
Very cool
It's up! But the bonding on that is terrible!! They haven't worked out the bond from the start and have put bricks in the side to fill in gaps, always have cuts in corners and run in full blocks, stretcher,
Yeah, it's crazy. They had free rein to pick the size too - as long as it was min 5m x 3.5m. Go figure?🙄🤔
Nice job on the roof joists. When you get to the roof covering, which I assume will be EPDM - be very careful with layout so that you have at least two sides of the roof giving you the maximum offcuts - increases the chance of making superb underwear.🤪
how dare a tradesman advertise he can build a garden building and stacks blocks up in line :o
Yeah, I couldn't believe that. Didn't notice it until they'd gone. 🙄
New subscriber here, great video mate 👌🏼
Thank you Andy. You have done brilliant job and I am building a shed with blocks and I am stuck with the roof. Will a 2x4 in the front be sufficient for the slope? My room is 4x5m. I would love to keep the slope with 2 2x4 in the front but then I will be over on the 2.5m hight restriction. Appreciate if you can give me some advise.
that's looks fantastic when is finish did you have to apply for a building regulation for that enjoyed the video.
No, doesn't need building regs as non combustible 👍
Iv not long finished something pretty much the same, I did a epdm roof
What depth and width of concrete did you use in the footing for that Pal looks good 👍
Brilliant idea but do you have to adjust the spirit level to proper Geordie settings?
Stumbled across your channel as I too am a drummer just starting a build [nowhere near so cleve as yours] for pracice room in garden.
May I ask please - when fixing the straps to walls [to keep roof on] - did you screw directly in to the block? Or, are there plugs in 1st?
Sneaky! I won’t tell you what the brickie in our family said! Lol But it’ll be covered and looking good at the end. 👍
Lol I can imagine. I'm not a bricky and you should have heard what I said. 🤣👍
Are they breeze or thermal blocks?
Can you let us know what the cost was
Looking good. May be an obvious question but why mortar ubderneath the timber at top of the wall. Would bolting it, not be more secure? maybe some expanding foam underneath before tightening to any gaps.
To level it and spread the load evenly - the top layer of bricks were far from level 👍🙄
Boy-oh boy-oh boy! HASN'T this brought the 'experts' out of the woodwork??!
EVERYone knows how to do this better than you - and they'd all follow building regs to the LETTER (with knobs on - and a few extra, unnecessary knobs, just to be absolutely sure the buildings inspector was completely happy.........!)
Tell me about it, and I've deleted some of the best ones. Including someone who told me polystyrene is more soundproof than concrete. 🤣👍
hi boss i like your working style i have one question for you do i need for planning permission outbuilding office room or garden room can you tell me plz
Happy new wheelbarrow to you 👍
Thank you! No more punctures! 😁
A quick tip, lay all the joists down on edge, sort them out for crowns & pair them up with similar crowns. Check out Robin Clevett on CZcams for top carpentry tips.
Hi
Love the channel, why did you change from mortar to adhesive on the wall plates ? And what’s normal
This is a great project.
I'll be interested in seeing what kind of window and door you end up finding for this. Those are often the weakest spots in any sound-proofing, as they are hard to decouple like you did with the rest of the wall.
Not sure if you've already sorted that. If not: There are windows designed for this, but they tend to still couple on the sill and related. With doors, it may be easiest to just make your own thick door with insulation between two relatively heavy slabs. Assuming it opens outwards, if you can get it to close up against your floor, you can get a seal there without a tripping hazard. If it opens inwards, there aren't a lot of good options that I've seen.
I've never built an outbuilding like this, but went through the process of creating a mostly-decoupled studio/office in my basement. The weakest point in my build is that I couldn't really decouple from the ceiling, as there's just not enough headroom. I put in a hanging ceilume ceiling using their acoustic system, but it could be better.
Cheers - there will be a separate inner door and I'm going for acoustic glass (think it's triple glazed) plus potentially an additional inner window if needed. Will explain more on the next vid. 👍
@@GosforthHandyman Nice! I'm looking forward to it.
its interesting to see the diference in the way people build , we wouldnt be allowed to use screws like that and definetly not with plugs
why did you use c24 for the walplate. surely that extra cost has no benifit over c16.
why did you not mechanically fix the wallplate down to the block
why didnt you mechanically join the 2 wallplates together.
what did you use to bolt the joists together . we have to go 600 centers and stagered top to bottom every second bolt
There wasn't much in it cost wise for the C24. C16 tends to be less straight over longer runs. Bear in mind this is a glorified shed though. 👍🛠️
How much overhang mate on the roof?
Should there ne a lintel above the window? It looks saggy in the middle tho that might just be how it looks on camera.
Unfortunately an all too familiar story of awful builders 🤦♂️ Someone such as yourself who is very capable (but might be inexperienced in some specific aspects) will do a much better job. You’ll think about it, always have the end goal in sight and make sure it’s done properly. You’re not gonna throw it up to knock off early. Unless you’re working with specialist studio construction people, ordinary builders will never be thorough enough because it’s so crucially different from a usual job. (There’s a lot of “but wouldn’t it be EASIER if we just...)
Subscribing now, your vids have helped me many times already!
Love it
sound proofed for the drum kit to??
Yup! To stop noise getting out and to stop noise getting in when I'm recording etc. 👍
Looks great. Appreciate the detailed explanations. Did you consider going one block higher though? Just curious.
Lol it was and I had to strip a row of blocks off as it was too high for permitted development 👍
@@GosforthHandyman Oh no!! That's too bad...
Is there a part two yet please ?