Yep. Every major Disney animated film from 1937 to 1963 had a different style. Sleeping Beauty's art approach looked nothing like Snow White. Now, they all seem to be the same jelly bean look to eyes and faces.
@@ShiftyKen08 I'm pissed but I don't really like Trek. When Trek works it REALLY works, but this shit doesn't inspire any confidence in me. Frankly Robot Chicken's Night Crew was more downplayed and less desperate in it's humor and that was a frickin Robot Chicken skit.
@@sophiam2095 That is exactly what I was thinking, and that was just a skit on Robot Chicken! How sad is it that a short skit had more in-depth characterization than that whole trailer did?
"HERE! MORE TREK< YOU LIKE IT DONT YOU< YOU MUST LIKE IT< HERE EVEN MORE TREK< HONEST IT'S ALL GOOD TREK! LIKE IT! LIKE IT!" - Corporations and the capitalists who own them, via Kurtzman. "Leave me alone -.-" 90% of the fan base.
I know this was released as a reaction to the trailer, but honestly - I really REALLY enjoyed the first two seasons of Lower Decks. The adage that this was aimed at kids is not really accurate - it's for adults. Prodigy is for the kids. Would like to see a reaction video now that two seasons have gone by and see if you still have the same opinion?
I am also very curious what he thinks now. The show is really fun and pokes fun of trek in ways that a true fan would. "Did you just say sen-soars?" The male characters aren't weak to female character look strong. The character development for them is awesome. Brad's character arc is amazing, you can't not love The Boims. We are watching him grow into trek legend material.
@@longshot5866 I think he would say the same thing, but rather that they bank more on memes and nostalgia as they made Trek into a comedy, when it was serious with occasional quest themes (TOS), existential meaning (TNG) or serious political threads (DS9). Something like "yeah you might be Trekkies, however this series is aimed at post-millennial humour, a new Trek audience with some homages, but what you're making isn't Trek because Trek isn't slapstick and it would require trying to ignore how incompetent these people are for the sake of the plot". Then probably reference The Orville as doing a better version because it's an original IP that found an audience and went with it without messing up Trek canon (to the Drinker, canon and continuity loyalty in the sense of treating it with respect is huge).
I usually agree with the drinker but this time you may have been premature with this one. I binged this show after getting Paramount plus for the sole reason of watching the DE of Star Trek-TMP. Now while I agree Picard and Discovery are almost unbearable to watch, this show made me laugh and I thought it really picked up by mid-season one and continued through season two. Being animated you can do a lot more and there are so many fun Easter eggs and call backs to prior Star Trek shows, including TAS. Sober up my friend and give it another shot. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.
@@jonoctopie2779 No, he is a Trek purist. LD is saddening if this is how it has to be - giving Futurama humor a Trek franchise paint. It's kinda like watching Wrath of Khan but with shaking camera and 50% lens flares on screen all the time. - It's just not a feasible mix. BTW, I like Picard (relatively much), but LD I could only endure half a season or so.
Here I sit broken-hearted. Tried to shit but only farted. Still better writing than anything in Star Trek, Star Wars, Dr. Who etc during the last several years.
Drinker, I have to say that while first impressions do matter, here I believe it was more mistake in marketing than it was a fault of the show. The first two episodes were a bit too dry, I’ll definitely admit, but I gotta say that the rest of the show has been nothing but stellar. It is a parody in the best sense of Star Trek as a whole, constantly referencing and quipping on some of the more ridiculous aspects of the show in a way that only somebody working in a place like the lower decks could possibly accomplish, and overall it is an absolute win. out of a long laundry list of crap that CBS has put out time and again for our unfortunate viewing “pleasure“, this has actually been a rare gem that I eagerly await the next episode for. i highly t recommend you give this a shot!
3 years later, I'm happy to see that this Drinker Review doesn't represent what Lower Decks is. I avoided it like the plague at first because after shows like Picard and Discovery, I certainly was NOT into the idea of a cartoon parody jokey show that picked fun at something I loved... But now having seen 2 seasons of Strange New Worlds -- an actual GOOD TREK SHOW in the 2020's no less -- I was willing to give Lower Decks a go. I was ready to have some fun to go beside the (mostly) taken seriously Strange New Worlds. And I gotta say... i LOVE Lower Decks. I love it a lot, actually. It's REALLY good, and you can tell the people involved give a damn about Trek because it celebrates it in the most fun way... praising Trek while poking fun at it's ridiculousness. It's the PRAISING part that is important because you can tell the jokes at Trek's expense come from a place of love. It's not vile, crule, or meanspirited like you get from other shows and movies that seem to want to dump on things we like. I would genuinely say watch Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks. Give them another go if you gave up on them before. I think you will find them to be quite enjoyable! Thankfully, the negatives that are given in this review are not things that came to light. Boimler (purple hair guy) is an awkward punching bag, but he's extremely intelligent and competent and they show that constantly, he's just also naïve. Mariner (the gal he's with) is the hot-shot street-smart ensign, who has lots of experience and contacts, but really sucks at being "starfleet", only being IN it for reasons that are revealed quickly. Lower Decks is entirely lacking in the mean-spirited, social politics that exist today. Lower Decks IS for people who love Trek.
The Critical Drinker is pretty much the only reviewer I trust anymore. Edit: Cheers for the suggestions guys and dolls. I hadn't heard of a few of those :)
The Drinker as well as Mike and Rich from RLM along with Rob Myer Burnett and the Lorerunner are the only Star Trek critics I trust. RLM is the best at being funny while really going indepth on Trek while Lorerunner is the best at examinations with his ruminations but they are all great.
@@Firehazerd5444 ABSOLUTELY! It's ALWAYS the fault of the fans! I mean, what other possible reason could there be? They have the most talented, progressive writers that hollywood has to offer, how could it be anything except sensational, if only the fans were woke enough to appreciate it. You are wise beyond years.
Despite hating Picard and Discovery after watching I found lower decks had some interesting ideas and was written with some love and nods to the good trek that came way before. I had reservations about it but then watched it for myself and thought it was pretty good. Interestingly the trailer makes it seem 100 times worse than it actually was.
It’s actually a pretty great show after the first few episodes. It actually has really mature moments and character growth and is really respectful of the Federation and its mission, while still joking about the lack of agency the characters have. The first episode of season 3 demonstrates its message really well!
Honestly, I love it. Jack Quaid always gives his all. The modern live action shows are undoubtably shit but this is a really fun show looking at Star Trek from a different view never before seen.
@@RobotronSage who would you even put into now? Everyone practically is ENFORCING "progressive" ideals without the ability to even write the stories and characters. Its truly disgusting to take a beloved name and just puke stuff on top of it without any care about the original source material.
It's interesting that "The Orville", actually written by Seth MacFarlane ended up being far more respectful than the "real" franchise is now. That show even had a couple of pretty thought provoking episodes. Maybe because the man is a legitimate fan of the original series'.
Tbh, if you watch this show you can tell the writers are also fans of the old Trek. They poke fun at some of the sillier stuff and it can come off as a bit of nostalgia bait, but it seems like these references and riffs come from a sincere place of love.
I found Orville to be missing too much of the real core, dunno. It was like a well-meaning copy job of someone who might be a fan, but not one of the smartest fans. An excellent example for fans doing great stuff with the lore is, of course, *Star Trek Continues.*
@@Dowlphin Orville is 100% it's own show, though. I just mean that a brief shadow of the *feeling* I got from the latter ST:VOY or early ST:ENT franchises is there. On the other hand, the newer proper Star Trek shows have had none of the flavour of the past. My point is simply that for a standalone, humor based show that isn't even in the same IP, the Orville felt a whole lot more like the 1990s Star Treks. It is also my opinion that the new ones have been an absolute dumpster fire. Typical of much that comes out of Hollywood these days. Lots of action sequences, shallow characters and even more shallow social commentary.
I started Lower Decks with skepticism, and first few episodes were shaky. However sad to say its the most enjoyable series of the 3 current ones, and is the most true to its TNG roots while poking at problems within the Trek universe at the same time.
It has found it's feet better in the later seasons, but relies heavily on member berries and cameo's to get the older crowd in, and I agree with the annoying continuation of useless/weak male leads. Also the Drinker was spot on, I would have been ~10 when I got into TNG and it captivated a younger me almost immediately, because it's genuinely good, a possible future to actually aspire to.
@@foxpants It takes a fan team to produce a truly masterful continuation of true Trek. I hope you are all already aware of *Star Trek Continues.* - Man, I love the fact there is one example to show how it can be done, to continue the lore faithfully, respectfully.
Yeah but Vice City was good so no one cared lol hell I literally just went back to it to cruse around and relax the other day, and also go the Neros77 channel too FYI lol GTA 5's Radio Chatter, DJ's, Bad Traffic, Assonine pedestrians, and terrible characters that no one likes (save for Trevor) however can go straight to hell lol
@@kavinskysmith4094 They might well be... I just remember having to battle in what appeared to be Scarface's old house and upon completion, the copter was on the roof and flying that thing made me feel rich. A feat no game before or since replacates that first buzz flying around in my "made it" chopper. lol.
My Effulgent Hairy Balls say That’s just because you were young and never flew a helicopter in a game before. For me it was San Andreas’ jet pack from the desert airport.
8:14 THANK YOU! I’ve been saying this shit for years that just because they don’t have the experience of age doesn’t mean you should treat them like morons. After being forced to watch modern “kids” movies with my family (I’m the oldest by around 7 years), it always pissed me off how simple and stupid the dialogue is because they think children are fragile. Too fragile that they can’t handle mature themes like maintaining functional relationships or death. Children that inevitability grow up and will get pissed that you thought they were an idiot. I don’t know about anyone else but went back at the movies of my childhood like The Lion King, Shrek, Mulan, Toy Story, I was surprised by the themes they covered. It’s alsmost as if the filmmakers respected the adults being forced to watch with their kids by making it enjoyable for everyone. Hell, even stuff like Space Jam respected my intelligence by going places didn’t need to go.
When I was a kid, my favorite movies were Star Wars, back to the Future, The Hunt for Red October and sister act. Some of them have a little goofiness or some jokes but generally they're pretty serious. I could never get into the really goofy slapstick stuff, at a young age it just wasn't as interesting as the high stakes gambits and consequences from more complex movies
*Avatar - The Last Airbender* would be a good example of high-quality kids TV. Quite the mature themes in it, but kids can totally handle that when conveyed in the right style. Also, as a reverse example, of course, *MLPFiM,* a show made for young girls, but because the show creation was a work of love, with the fan enthusiasm factor, and made with compassion for parents watching with their kids in mind 😅, it is quite delightful to watch for adults, too, at least those not totally jaded by the grimdark side of reality.
He was raised on a healthy mixture of Soviet classics of animation and pictures by PIXAR and Dreamworks - they gave unforgettable impressions and inspiration. They knew how to joke and were not afraid to raise serious topics. Therefore, both children and adults love them. I didn’t like Disney at first sight, and I still have a wild allergic reaction to him. They seemed so... hysterical. Now I look and am disgust at what idiots the creators of this crap take us for. What’s annoying is not even the quality and primitivism, but the expectation that we will really empathize with complete scum of the level of Family Guy.
@@Dowlphin Yes! Great example! I remember when my brother and I came across him on TV, we watched it all day, he fascinated us so much. And for God's sake don't mention MLP, I'm starting to start rainbow foaming from my ears
I agree, he should've said that it is animation quality of a shitshow version of Final Space and Final Space is 4x much better then this crap right here, something I feel sorry for Star Trek fans because CBS doesn't give a crap about quality but only about profits from only the name brand.
grievous549 I love South Park, always have, always will...I don’t have anything to say about the animated Star Trek non sense other than I won’t be watching it...a pointless comment yes...but animation quality has almost nothing to do with a good show...a lot of South Parks best episodes occurred in the earlier seasons when the animation was in its primitive phase
More like the animation quality of Family Guy... Where the lame bug-eyed characters just stand there and stare blankly as another dumbass joke is being born.
Agreed, my Mrs tried to tell me this for a year b4 I caved and watched it and yeah it is, unlike everything else it seems like it was made with a genuine love for the franchise... I can only assume as a cartoon it was dismissed as not worth while by the studio and it's creators were more or less left alone to produce something actually Star Trek
I feel you were quick to judge Star Trek Lower Decks. I'd love to know if a year on, it is any good? The main character definitely doesn't seem like a Mary Sue and all of the cast are equally flawed, and their actions fuel the plot most of the time. I've seen clips and from season 2 at least, and it seems pretty good. A light hearted take on Star Trek with respectable storylines to the lore, actually believable interactions between characters, and waaaaay more entertaining than anything else Star Trek has to suffer. I'd be tempted to watch the whole thing. The trailer definitely doesn't seem to line up with raw clips of the show, at least as far as I can see?
I've already watched the seasons currently out for it and admittedly I didn't grow up watching star trek but I really enjoy it and it makes me want to watch other star trek things, I don't see any obvious Mary sues, they all have flaws which are worked on throughout the series with humor mixed in. I would recommend watching it, personally, if you haven't already
The captain needs a certain amount of confidence and wisdom, or else why are they the captain? This said, the point of a Star Trek captain is to go out and face the unknown. They can't always be right. They have to fail and recover or there's no point. Kirk and Picard failed all the time and had to recover. Pike, Janeway, and Sisko - fail, fail, fail, recover, recover, recover. This is what gives the audience the confidence that the crew needs to have in the fact that the captains are worth their pay checks. Yeah that's right, paid in money. Forget all that "there's no money in the future" nonsense. In the first season or two of STTNG, Wesley Crusher was annoyingly right about everything in every episode, to the point where you have to wonder how other starships survive without a Wesley on board. Everyone hated him about as much as Cousin Oliver from The Brady Bunch. Wesley was a Gary Stue. That's the male equivalent of a Mary Sue. Wesley wasn't right on target but he was close enough that I despised him in every scene. Nobody likes a Mary Sue, or a Gary Stue.
@Ruosong Gao I'm not sure how "popular" they are. Especially today when they've become so common that there's a name for it and people are aware that they exist.
@@protorhinocerator142 I thought being good at things is only one aspect of a Mary Sue, the other being their unrelenting redeeming qualities? In that case I might challenge the idea of him being one by pointing out that while Wesley was incredibly bright and talented, he was also immature, impulsive, insecure, and at times irresponsible (hm). A smart dumb kid.
After watching 3 seasons of this show, I honestly really liked it, so I really wish Critical Drinker would make a new review. I know that Star Trek has a really bad record before this so it’s understandable why he is not hopeful for this show. But man it’s actually pretty good imo
I actually avoided this show because of this review. My kids started watching, and we all love the show now. I think you're right, I believe the drinker jumped the gun on this show.
Okay, I'm gonna give this show another chance because the VERY OPENING SCENE is ultra cringey. To me, that's not really Star Trek. The pilot of Strange New Worlds was more of what I think Star Trek is, even though it was a bit on the nose about the "strange alien humanoid world" destroying itself with super-nukes. Lower Decks honestly felt like CBS was pitching the idea of "Hey, that show Family Guy is _really_ popular. We need our own Family Guy, but we just have the Star Trek IP. What can we do?"
I remember when Star Wars & Star Trek fans would go to war with bottles and chains over the love of each IP. Now both camps are in ruin after a Disney/Kathleen & CBS/Kurtzman killed all will in both camps to fight. They just huddle together in the trenches waiting for the sweet release of death.
Even though the early episodes were occasionally hit-or-miss, any good series tends to need a little time to find its focus. (Even Spock in TOS was more human the first few episodes.) But TNG improved, found its winning formula and did not deviate from it, and that is why it is the epic series it is. And then PICARD came along and squandered the goodwill. Captain Picard, you deserved better than what you got.
When I was 10 I remember watching Buffy, Star Trek, new adventures of Superman, Farscape, Sliders, Star Wars (I know it wasn't a series but I watched it every week like it was 1). Kids are so much more switched on and mature than they give them credit for.
@@alidaraie well it was, because most the humans working these jobs don't have kids so aren't considered adults. you know it's actually appalling how the job market favors independent yuppy types to family guys
I don't mind swearing as long as the swears aren't just one-word 21st century slang. If the expletives and put downs actually were new words and actual colourful language then it would mean a lot more.
The Orville: made by a man who has a genuine love of the Star Trek series, and wanted to share his love. Modern Star Trek: made because money, they love money
I greatly appreciate TheCriticalDrinker's reviews and insights. And usually find myself in strong agreement. And so I was surprised to see how much he disliked this series. My brother and I, both around at the dawn of TOS, actually look forward to discussing each episode as it drops. To us, it truly appears that the writers are über fans of Star Trek. Allusions to TOS, DS9, TNG are everywhere, knowing throwaways and Easter eggs appear throughout each episode. The plots are interesting and often unpredictable. And the core message is very true to Star Trek. Doing it "the Federation Way" is a tenet throughout the series. I agree with another reviewer that it would be interesting to see if TheCriticalDrinker still holds the negative take show that he has in this review. If he does, that's totally fine - we'll just agree to disagree on this one.
He won't, because that won't earn him the clicks. I used to watch his reviews a while back, but realized he is just a bitter asshole that is upset that the world has passed him by.
This is based on a trailer only, right? The characters are not what the Drinker guesses they will be. This is the only new Star Trek that I like. The show runner is a Star Trek nerd and there are so many obscure Trek references than I have a hard time recommending it to someone who isn’t very familiar with Trek. And it has 66% audience approval on Rotten Tomatoes …
like a growing number of people, I rarely go to the movies (years apart) and I don't subscribe to these horse shit streaming services. I often find out how bad they are through guys like Critical Drinker. And I really think the content creators ripping on this shit is giving me much more entertainment...for free.
Dude that worked for Star Wars. Seth McFarlane needs to be the emperor if Ian McDiarmid falls ill or worse. Seth gets the campy awesomeness of Ian's Palply, and that shows more respect for the title character than Star TP ever did
@JOHN JOHN it's honestly not terrible. I enjoyed most of season 1, there's a few really fucking stupid things but it's decent for the most part. More good than bad, at least in the first season, I didn't watch farther than that.
@@jackskellingtonsora Your favourite Trek show is DS9, hmmm, that speaks volumes, and lowers the validity of your opinion about Below Decks, in fact, it lowers the validity of your opinion on anything Star Trek based.
I remember for about a year when I was very young, around 7-8. I’d wake up early with my parents and after the news one of our local stations played Star Trek TOS for about an hour. We’d watch an episode or two every weekday morning, mom and dad had coffee and I ate cereal. It was, nice. I loved Kirk, Spock, Scotty, McCoy. The adventures were a great way to start the day. I’d find myself just thinking on what the episode that morning was talking about when I was bored in school. I love TOS, and the whole universe Roddenberry started. This isn’t my Star Trek, this is no one’s Star Trek. This is the Star Trek that makes fans think “geez… maybe I’ll give Voyager another shot”
KorriTimigan It’s not a slight at Futurama. If one was to have the worlds best steak but you had to top it with vomit and human excrement it’s not likely you would remember the steak. Futurama can only do so much.
Early Drinker: "As always thank you for your time and hope you enjoyed the video." Later Drinker: "That's all I have for today....go away now." Modern Drinker: "Anyway whatever leave me alone." No better reflection of the progression of a career in modern media criticism.
Can't say I blame him. Star Trek was a great "universe", with good characters, compelling stories, and some pretty decent acting. WAS. Now, it's turned into shyte, ruined by "agendas", destruction of everything that made it great, and ignoring what the fans want, in favor of trying to...hell, I don't even know what they're trying to do. But what I do know is, the last few years have seen the destruction of every single franchise that was once considered great. Aliens, Terminator, Predator, Star Wars, Star Trek...all of them torn down, destroyed, reduced to sad, pathetic parodies of what once made them great. I'm not one for conspiracies, but I can't shake the feeling that this is all deliberate.
My wife and I (both Trekkies) actually enjoyed Lower Decks, when we assumed it was a fanfic parody. The jokes that landed for us were all ones that were in jokes for the kind of lore nerds that can see five seconds of a TOS, TNG, DS9, or Voyager episode and immediately know which one it is and give you a synopsis on the spot. When we weren't laughing (more of the run time than not) we were pointing out continuity errors between this show and the classics. Now we both loved the Orville. It captured the spirit of classic Trek but messed with the premise in the same way this show tried to. Instead of following a crew that is among the best in the fleet, you follow people who are barely good enough not to get fired. The Orville kept what made Star Trek good in the first place. Lower Decks did not.
Back in my binging TNG days, I did think that a show about junior officers could have been interesting. TNG is straight-up Roddenberry utopia. The senior officers of the Enterprise D are paragons of humanity, they're disciplined, wise and virtuous. Each is hyper-competent at their own discipline and excellent in another; Picard for example is a ship's captain, a tactician and diplomat, who gives keynote speeches about archaeology and is an avid mountain climber. They all give classical music recitals and Shakespeare plays in their spare time. They're *already* amazing people, which means they have very limited room to grow, especially Picard. A show that focuses on a group of ensigns could have a central theme of personal growth. A group of fundamentally good people with human (or alien) flaws which through trial, error, consequence and triumph they learn to overcome. I don't think that could get produced today though; TV is too dumb.
Watch the show. It’s exactly what you asked for. Just remember - they’re new officers and 20-somethings. They got that 20-something energy and are total stans for Star Trek lore with incredible passion for what they do. The SNW crossover also mocks how loud and fast talking the kids are lol.
Star trek was once best described as 'the thinking mans adventure' but there is no place for such a thing in a world where people are taught not to think...
The new iterations of that puke they call Star Trek are humus, made for the Labotamots of the planet Labotomy. Rather than giving us ''the Thinking Mans Adventure''....they've spewed out pablum for the ''Absent Of Mind"....!!!
They’re destroying art to take away people’s ability to think freely, it’s all part of the incoming subjugation, they don’t need us watching movies, they need us doing our jobs, making money and asking no questions, it’s a sad state of affairs really
I actually do enjoy Strange New Worlds. And Lower Decks cracks me up. Maybe I'm in the wrong on that one, but i love the overall premise. I do think it's better than Family Guy, I hate that show. But you were pretty spot on with those cast predictions.
I never intended to watch lower decks, it looked really childish and not the kind of thing I would be interested in. However I ended up binging the first season on a long haul flight and watched the next three seasons when I got home. It's honestly really got the star trek feeling whilst also being a fun heartfelt parody of everything which came before. Didn't think I would like the characters but ended up loving them and their development. As someone who is pretty sceptical of new trek I would deffinately reccomend!
I remember when I was a kid, I used to watch Batman: TAS and Star Trek TNG back to back every weekday. As a nine year old I had an abundance of things presented to me in fiction that challenged me to think about the world in different ways. It's sad that kids nowadays have practically nothing to watch that actually takes shit seriously, it's like all of media is trying to teach them that nothing is worth thinking about, it's all about hyperactive gags and stimulating emotions in shallow, meaningless ways.
I totally agree take the CW heroes for example. There's no logic or learning just over the top emotional dribble. That has finally caught up them. Anyway Star Trek is definitely dead and I won't worry about strange new worlds until kurtzman is out because no one base on the numbers anybody going to finance it
@@cliffordterrell957 supernatural is a great example of your comment. Seasons 1-5 were gold, then the preaching came, the wokeness, the endless bickering between Sam and Dean that was the same three arguments all the way to season 15. It blows my mind how trash the CW has become
@Optimus Prime I'm not sure what's upbeat about LD. The trailer is a series of unfunny jokes. I know a lot of 8 year olds (I happen to be a teacher) who are more mature than the so-called characters in LD.
Star Trek fans: "We want a new ST show,that goes back to the roots and respects Gene Roddenberry´s vision of intelligent Sci-Fi." CBS: "Hey,Rick & Morty is huge atm. Let´s make a shitty knockoff,of that animated show. That´s how we´re gonna get the ST fans back." It´s like these people have some sort of perverted bet going on,with K.Kennedy, which can ruin their respective franchises in more horrible ways or something, WTF?!
@@eldritchedward "Vault-2020's goal was to expose the vault dwellers to progressively worse spin-offs of beloved franchises to study how fanbases divide and if they will gradually come to accept the horrible content."
It's almost like they are doing that with Star Trek: Strange New Worlds, and that this is something entirely different. But yeah. I guess we can shit on things?
So much for : "You asked, we listened" You know, if you put your cellphone down for more than 15 sec and actually take the time for a nice bothway conversation, maybe I'll feel listened too. This relationship between CBS/Startrek Fans is on the verge of Divorce. Heck we're already cheating them with "The Orville".
Same. Once you get past the first couple of episodes it's pretty good and gets better as it goes along. Much closer to the 90's trek than the other modern treks.
This video is a perfect example of why you shouldnt judge a show by the trailer. Lower decks is awesome. All the characters regardless of gender race etc are equally flawed. Its pure start trek. Its just,... the normal people, instead of the megasuperstars like riker and picard. its well done, please watch the show and update!
"people used to watch star trek because it was smart, toughtful and engaging" yep, correct. And that's exactly what's missing from all the latest trek incarnation
Everything in the latests versions end in combat, always combat. And if they TRY some personal or crew issues, it's so bland and easy solutions ... Like no philosophical stuff, no reflections on real life dynamics with issues ( doesn't happen every episode but previous versions had a way of making fitting episodes about it )
.....Dear C.D.; While I agree with you on most of the points you made, I have some Sad news. Since the last TNG movie..Nemesis...THIS is the 'best' Star Trek made to date. Not the Abrams' universe, and not the other Kurtzman Treks that have destroyed characters, canon and the integrity of the Ideal of what Star Trek is...ST: Lower Decks. despite all the good and truthful points you have made about Lower Decks..I believe that.. ..so far...Lower Decks is the Best Kurtzman Trek. This tells you how far the Iconic Series Ideals have fallen..more like tripped then tied up and gagged. Now...I read that Kurtzman has very little input to this series. But...even before 'Lower Decks'...I had thought for every Capt. Kirk in Star Fleet, there has to be somewhat less capable officers that will never really be put in the same situations as Kirk and Picard. The unseen, never heard from, totally forgotten by those on The Final Frontier. And that's what Lower Decks is about...those who serve, are less perfect than the Kirks and Picards..but they still have some unwanted, not trained for Adventures and somehow come out, pretty much in one piece. I am not really defending Lower Decks, but I think its an interesting concept and a laugh fest full of Trek references peppered through out every episode. Yes, there's an ethnic captain...but to be honest; I have not seen a movie/re-booted TV show of late that didn't have either a gender or race swamp or both. ( Boomer from the original Battlestar Galactica for instance ) SIDE NOTE: Go watch a movie entitled "The First Signal' all sorts of empowered women in that one. .....This captain is no Kirk ( she'd like to be ) and she's only one step above the crew in capability. These ships, the California Class have...supposedly...an even more boring routine than the Picard era Excelsior class starships. BUT...some thing always happened than..usually...no one expected...except when the Cerritos captain wore that alien mask from TNG. I had started to create a Star Trek series...not for money of course...where the 'Not the Cream of Star Fleet' were assigned...because up until Lower Decks, I had never heard of that part of the Trek universe being explored. Even Kirk was an Ensign at one time and everyone has to start somewhere. I suppose the only Defense of 'Lower Decks' I can give is...Its the Best of the Kurtzman treks. Take that for what it might be worth. Thanks for the video; C.D.
Lol new star trek is made for people who don't even like star trek. I don't know why they can't just make star trek for the fans. We ain't going anywhere
thats not calarts style, is final space style, im pretty sure they are the same ones, even the cat “model” looks like its the same but different colors.
@@saphi20 Agreed. This isn't exactly "Calarts". It looked like they traced the artstyle of Final Space. This is more of "generic adult cartoon style that most generic adult cartoons use now because they think it's what made other adult cartoons popular".
It’s not Cal-Arts style. It’s the GoAnimate style. The people who “popularised” the style didn’t study at Cal-Arts. The term was coined by John K., one of the greasiest bastards in animation who is bitter that animators are more influenced by Disney and Pixar’s style rather than his.
@Danny Morrissey no. even that failed what it could have been. I recall the concept video Olan made for it. It was much better, darker, more dramatic, still had the goofy humour tho. Then the studio came along, and i don't blame Olan Rogers, this was his break.... but the version they released, i felt it was dumbed down, made to appeal to generic, kid friendly mass market.
got this one wrong in my opinion. its pretty funny and the characters are pretty funny. think the big issue is that this is the best trek on atm. i agree that we need some good trek but dont think ld is bad
It just isn’t Star Trek. Good lord, look at what they just did (another blatant R&M hack job) with the blatant adult content. Like Naked Now without taste. So “edgy”. Ugh
Star Trek: The Musical Star Trek: Cooking with Replicators Star Trek: Real Wives of the Federation Drachinifel: Episode 3,046, Federation Shuttles The Many Lives of Scotty
I'd watch a Star Trek: Top Gear. And I'd be curious about a Family feud Cardassians vs Klingons. Ferengi host: "Name a thing hewmans like." Cardassian: "Root beer." Ferengi Host: "Show me root beer!" *DING!* Ferengi Host: "Name a thing hewmans like." Klingon: "Cowering in dishonor under their soft beds..." *X* Of course, even writing something as simple as that requires more love for Star Trek than whoever is in charge of it right now.
Star Trek: Extreme Living Quarters Makeover Edition. "Oh, this decor has to go. Hel-looo, Stardate 45789.1 is calling. They want their wall pictures of nebulas back. Let's replace those with more modern pictures of galaxies instead."
Ok, I gotta admit, the real wives sounds pretty cool. All of Kirk and Riker's women dishing, oh yeah, count me in for that one. Why not, I have certainly seen enough DVD outtakes and interviews of them and Bond women too. THAT show could work, but this absolute garbage they are tossing out ishideouss.
CBS: People don't care about character development and interesting ideas and stories. Just copy and paste Rick and Morty and make it worse somehow. Writers: Whatever gets my next paycheck
I’m a huge fan of the Drinker, and I’ve always been a huge fan of Star Trek. I haven’t watched any of the newer stuff because the Drinker has repeatedly said how bad it is. Then T-Mobile gave us a year free of Paramount+, and I decided to dive in. Uh, I don’t know how the Drinker got it all so wrong! All of the new Star Trek stuff - including Lower Decks - is fantastic! Yes, there were two gay dudes in Discovery (thankfully less than that now), but the story is fabulous! If you try liking the new stuff, you may find that it’s a dang fun ride. I sure have!
@@benwetzel8449 Because God says that such a thing is forbidden (Leviticus 18:22, and many others). This means - among other things - that such behavior is damaging to the individual as well as the society. Therefore, those who encourage the normalcy of such things are actually not encouraging ‘love’, but rather fruitlessness and unrighteousness, and are not warning people away from impending judgment. In other words, depicting such things as normal is in reality hateful toward human beings.
@@truebaptistfilms sorry to tell you this, mariner dates a woman in lower decks. And I feel that any good Star Trek fan should know that the future of Star Trek does not concern itself with religious beliefs.
@@benwetzel8449 My point was never to discuss what is and is not a part of the Star Trek universe, but rather what is and is not good for an audience. I know that Star Trek has lots of fantastical elements that require suspension of disbelief - intelligent life other than humans, for example. Since the perfect sci-fi show has not been created, though, we always have to deal with some kind of imperfection. Things that have the potential to hurt audiences are a little worse, though.
@@truebaptistfilms well, I sure as hell ain’t hurt by the presence of some gay people. If the existence of gay people is all that stands between society and oblivion, then society should have never formed at all
Rick and Morty's been slamming it's head into a doorframe trying to commit suicide. Especially the last season. Just do 20 minutes of setting Roiland up to perform a solid 20 minutes improv on his own. Animate it done. End it.
@@tylerleach1833 That's an exception. It's good, but it unfortunately doesn't change the fact that most Modern Adult animation is still shallow stuff like this.
Even "uncreative hacks" turn out something interesting by accident once an ice age. They are simply incompetent. Remember "The Peter Principle"? CBS revels in it so much that this "descent into irrelevance" would make so-so TV.
Do you want to know the truth and what’s really going on here? See “Science Fiction and the hidden global agenda “ by Carl James. The Star Trek Agenda lecture here: czcams.com/video/Wz6NkjxNWJA/video.html
Ironically, all the decent and interesting characters from STD were removed. Mirror Lorca, the Empress and Chris Pike. And all of the annoying ones were kept around. Seems like the execs do have a plan, after all.
I mean, the idea of a Star Trek cartoon isn't a bad one... it's just that this is not the type of cartoon it should have been. It is utterly derivative, cynical, and still plagued by the stupid ass problems the live shows have. Namely in it being set in the utterly botched kelvin timeline. Just go back to the real trek timeline, throw this all away and start over with the trek that is actually good. >__>
Aimed at kids? Compare this to Star Trek: the animated series. That was aimed at kids too but took them seriously, often with stories that rivaled the original series.
Thank you!!!! I absolutely love ST TAS. They pulled off showing real aliens and a truly serious and decently written premise and plot. I strongly encourage anyone who wants a real taste of Star Trek to watch TAS. Now that is how you have an animated Star Trek, not this garbage which would have been better with Cartman as captain, and Kenny as the expendable security guard. You bastards!!!!!
TAS was described in a 1973 critical review as being "a Mercedes among rusty Skodas" in the Saturday morning cartoon lineup. This despite animation so poor it was basically a series of stills.
I was wrong about this show. The pilot made me skeptic, but it is not woke, it is not full of agenda and it just got better and better. The end of season 2 was amazing. Eagerly waiting for the 3'rd one. Re watch this Drinker. It was judged way to soon. They really nailed it with the last S2 episodes.
You may be right about the other Trek live action shows, but this series captured everything about the Next Gen I grew up with and adds it's own distinct flair. Snarky, smart, and gives fans exactly what they wanted in a new Trek series. Sorry bud, you're wrong
"When one has been angry for a very long time, one gets used to it. And it becomes comfortable, like… like old leather. And finally it becomes so familiar that one can't ever remember feeling any other way." - Picard, 'The Wounded'
@@sadbuttrue1187 Sometimes it's also best to ask people or just walk away from discussions or statements you don't understand or haven't matured enough to appreciate, rather than belittle them, so that everyone will hopefully not notice your shallow and immature nature.
@@mattcritchley5670 When people don't understand things, it's a base human instinct to attack it. That's what we see with the growing legions of dumbasses across the country here in America.
The problem I'm seeing with current entertainment is that they're hiring people who think it's cool to crap on the past. It's a niche, hipster, SJW thing. They live in a bubble and have developed a cult of themselves, believing themselves to be cool and funny.
@@sherlockinsomniac Metalheads wanted to do their own thing, not tell everyone else how to be and what to say and not say otherwise we will go into conniptions.
I mean yeah. By comparing it to south park, family guy and Rick and Morty he actually made me wanna watch at least the first episode as I did enjoy those 3 series and am not a rabid Star Trek fan, so I can enjoy a non-canon spinoff for what it is.
@@johnallen3033 To be honest the series is fine if you dont load it with expectations of what it should be and enjoy it as a non canon comedy spinoff. I watched the three episodes that are out and pretty much none of the stuff said in this video is accurate as far as the characters go. It's no masterpiece, bit it is ok for a bit of mild entertainment when you just want to relax.
Sorry to break it to you but the writers of this show know more about trek than you. They have so many Easter eggs hidden, like exact conversion of stardates. But I guess crying about a silly kids show is now something adult, self proclaimed, fans do.
@@Lancor84 LOL. Buddy, I saw the trailer, they don't know jack about Star Trek. So someone fed them a few lines to make "easter eggs"? They have exact stardates? So what? Technical precision in quoting someone else's work or a fictional (and meaningless, given what the original creators said) doesn't compensate for half-assed, incompetent writing and an utter lack of understanding of anything that makes Star Trek-the real one-enjoyable and entertaining. Lower Drecks is basically what you get when a C-level university student is told to take a creative writing class and writes fanfic for homework. Sure, it's got all the technical aspects and data points right; all the stuff you can look up on the Internet. But its characters, characterization, and plot all scream "rank amateur" at best, and "outright hack" at worst. I don't know whether you're a butthurt fanboy of Jar-Jar Trek or just a CBS shill paid to try and change the narrative, but either way, you're pathetic. I've been watching Star Trek since I was a kid: i didn't need a shitty, piss-poor retard's version of Trek like this Lower Drecks garbage. I was watching and enjoying the shows back when I was 8. I know Trek. You-and the writers of this abortion-clearly do NOT. Go read some books, kid. And none of that post-modernist deconstruction shit, read some of the good stuff that built the stories in the first place. Maybe then you'll appreciate good writing. ...Or maybe not. Either way, your opinion is as worthless as that liberal arts degree you're aiming for.
Just like Star Wars and anything else you can imagine. It's just title-flaying for the "edgy counter-culturists" who have zero plan or idea of what comes after everything's been torn down. They don't care. They never will.
@@deedlessdeity218 it's people who cant create on their own, and yet they think they can do better, so they take over the existing properties to transform them into their twisted social justice vision. Same as communism, they can't create, they just want to take control of existing industries to serve them. And incidentally, most of the social justice people are commies, and tor a reason. No actual solution, just a disdain for what is here.
It's the same in a lot of franchises. Any of you like Dungeons & Dragons? I used to, before it was ruined by a company that is actively insulting its customer base. I'm trying to think of anything I used to love that wasn't ruined by post-post-modernist bullshit. It's a hard think.
He's still right. Take the TNG skin off Lower Decks, get rid of the constant memberberries. This type of show has no substance and is so formulaic, you could put it in an generic universe with the characters, you'd see how surface level and nostalgia baiting it is. Zero depth nor intelligence.
@stephaniesandlin1060 lower decks is a great show. It's fun entertaining and a new, not so serious way to look at star trek. People like drinker don't see the forest for the trees sometimes. And that's fine, but lower decks is one of the most popular treks.
@@thehandoftheking3314 It's popular because the memberberries and nostalgia. That in itself shows you how low the bar was and currently remains in NuTrek. Nostalgia is vapid and lifeless and only lasts as long as the lines of cocaine before your eyes. Alas though, you calling it a "great show" belies that memberberries and crass humor are your bag. The intelligence and depth, hallmarks of Trek in bygone years, obviously aren't your thing. It's ok to like adolescent blast shield jokes and like nostalgia fueled escapism rather than intelligence. Just don't tell me it's great. It's a reflection of low quality memberberry Adult Swim rip offs instead of advancing the legacy and quality of the IP. Take the ST TNG memberberry skin off the show, it reveals itself as creatively empty and devoid of anything, and is just... crass. Lower Decks is one step above a primate throwing feces and thinking it's funny. Drinker NAILED it. NuTrek reducing itself to pure nostalgia without the heart or intelligence along with the most unbelievable and unlikeable characters in a ST series. Certified thrown monkey feces it is.
@@zoso1980 "Take the TNG skin off Lower Decks, get rid of the constant memberberries. " And it tells trek stories about co-operation, diplomacy, peace, science and having an open mind. You yourself could work on that last one. You truly havent seen any of it have ya?
"Kurtzman is currently overseeing no less than 4 shows and that's 3 more than he's capable of managing" I'm impressed by your optimism there, not sure why everyone thinks you're so negative with hopes that high.
@Michael Harvey I miss the old Jews, Sure they were nepotic, but only with the competent ones. People act all offended when people say Jews ran Hollywood in its golden age. That's a huge fucking compliment, I'd kill to make shit that good. At this point, Mel Brooks among others needs to be cryogenically frozen ASAP and dethawed and uploaded into young bodies or else Hollywood will never have talent again. Couse, we really should discover necromancy cause we need George Burns, his wife Gracie and the Three Stooges and Leonard Nimoy too. Like very desperately.
Star trek lower decks takes all the best fun things from the series history, with a fun interesting group of charecters that feel like real people within the first 10 minutes. It's a love letter to the series and it's just simply amazing a solid 9.5/10
It is the best among the new series - which doesn't say too much. It's basically Futurama meets Star Trek and there is definitely space for a show like this. However, I liked the first season more the first time I watched it and was bothered more by what doesn't work on the second viewing.
@@marcoschaub8978 You might have experienced the discriminating-mind-override techniques. JJ uses flickering lights and shaky camera for that, other methods could just be frantic sense overload, although in part that might also be due to the runtime constraints here. But I definitely see some deliberate agenda in this, to overwhelm people's senses in order to turn their brains off. I noticed this most strongly after watching Abrams Dreck "Star Trek", then reading reviews, then watching it again. The second watch I suddenly found all the visual crap very annoying and started to realize what was going on. I realized only then how bad it is. First viewing I just wanted to distract myself with some action stuff, I guess, or was content with that, so didn't apply scrutiny.
Picard Season 3 was more of a love letter to the actual series that it gave a lot of fans a way to leave the IP out on a high note. Meanwhile Lower Decks has been taken off Paramount+ because nobody wanted to watch their Rick and Morty knockoff.
@@willowfrog33 uhm... no. For one, there was enough ST original material, for two, Space stations are quite generic concept and also were in ST and for three, entire Bajoran setting was introduced in TNG. I love B5 but there's not much
the worst part about this is that the concept of a star trek show centered around the goings on of the lower decks is a good idea. You could do a lot of interesting things with the concept, show all the off screen inner workings of a starship, The perspectives of the crew about their higher up's, show how despite their low rankings the work they do are arguably the most important job's on the ship. after all a good captain is necessary for direction and leadership but without a good maintenance crew the ship a'int going nowhere. But instead of that we just got this abomination.
Star Trek: The Next Generation, Season 7, Episode 15, Lower Decks from wikipedia: In this episode, while enduring the Enterprise's promotion evaluation process, four junior officers find themselves involved in a top-secret mission[1] and is noted for its focus on non-main characters. The episode also brings back Sito Jaxa (Shannon Fill) previously introduced in "The First Duty". This episode is noted for focusing on a group of guest characters, rather than the main cast, and for its emotional impact. It has been rated highly among the series' episodes.
@@mikerueffer579 We watch about 5-7 episodes of TNG, DS9, and Voyager at my house on a weekly basis. It is so satisfying to watch. The new "Star Trek" is a frenetic mess that leaves me anxious and agitated.
SFTU. This show is great. As die-hard trekker I can say that this show is awesome. Nobody told that ST cannot be comedy. Final episode of season 2 is CANON for me. In lights of Picard and Discovery - Lower Decks is the best ST there is in recent years.
It is well-known that Trek fandom opinions differ wildly. I don't even like it without the Trek paint, because even without it it's still a gross, adolescent-targeted wannabe Rick-and-Morty bandwagoning.
@@Dowlphin Yup. Take the ST backdrop out and all the member-berries out of it, it's a boring unoriginal and has an unlikeable cast and crew. Formulaic rubbish. Lower Drecks completely shat on the idea that Star Fleet required dedication, a philosophical maturity and was run with a modicum of professionalism. In short, the OP who said "STFU," played their hand. It reduced young Star Fleet grads to crass obnoxious loudmouths. Completely out of character for the TNG IP. Because they like memberberries with crass universe and IP altering philosophies, doesn't make it canon. It shows the OP has a style and eats up the memberberries. Anyone defends this show as quality, lacks the insight to see just have infantile and disrespectful this show actually is to the TNG IP. Slapping on TNG era uniforms and ships with a whole bunch of memberberries and infantile jokes doesn't make it good... An insult to the TNG IP, 100%.
@@Cybersnake-he4zr ok I thought you were saying that men deserve to be abused, that’s why I was worried because there really are people that think like that.
After watching 20 or so of your videos every one matching my opinions I decided to give one of your books a try on the weekend, lets see how that holds up! :D
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4 am in lima. Best time to watch my favorite drinker
I think this is just another one of Q's tricks.
You hear that, Q?
The game is up!
Wait wait wait!!!.... lol Star trek was never smart!
@@We_Are_Borg_478 lol on it's not!... The game never stop's!
I dont want to support the channel. I just want to watch and enjoy your videos for free. - troll 2020
I swear, every recent animated show has had the EXACT same art style...
Yep. Every major Disney animated film from 1937 to 1963 had a different style. Sleeping Beauty's art approach looked nothing like Snow White. Now, they all seem to be the same jelly bean look to eyes and faces.
CalArts can be thanked for that
It's the Cal Arts assembly line. Fuckin' rubber hose and jellybean face. That's all they bloody teach over there.
@@blizzardregulus Honestly so many of modern writers for this tripe must all come from their own assembly line as well.
It’s an extremely cheap and lazy style. They’re trying to cut cost which is sacrificing the quality in all shows that decide to use it.
Man, not even a "go away now" we got a "leave me alone." They've made something so awful it has affected The Drinker THAT negatively.
My guess is, had he done that, he'd be showing some kind of generosity towards this totally unfunny excuse-for-a-'cartoon'? ;_;
Yeah, I immediately caught that too. Even Captain Mary Sue got that infamous outro. Man, he must be REALLY pissed about this one!
@@ShiftyKen08 I'm pissed but I don't really like Trek. When Trek works it REALLY works, but this shit doesn't inspire any confidence in me. Frankly Robot Chicken's Night Crew was more downplayed and less desperate in it's humor and that was a frickin Robot Chicken skit.
@@sophiam2095 That is exactly what I was thinking, and that was just a skit on Robot Chicken! How sad is it that a short skit had more in-depth characterization than that whole trailer did?
"HERE! MORE TREK< YOU LIKE IT DONT YOU< YOU MUST LIKE IT< HERE EVEN MORE TREK< HONEST IT'S ALL GOOD TREK! LIKE IT! LIKE IT!"
- Corporations and the capitalists who own them, via Kurtzman.
"Leave me alone -.-"
90% of the fan base.
I know this was released as a reaction to the trailer, but honestly - I really REALLY enjoyed the first two seasons of Lower Decks. The adage that this was aimed at kids is not really accurate - it's for adults. Prodigy is for the kids.
Would like to see a reaction video now that two seasons have gone by and see if you still have the same opinion?
I am also very curious what he thinks now. The show is really fun and pokes fun of trek in ways that a true fan would. "Did you just say sen-soars?"
The male characters aren't weak to female character look strong. The character development for them is awesome. Brad's character arc is amazing, you can't not love The Boims. We are watching him grow into trek legend material.
@@longshot5866 I think he would say the same thing, but rather that they bank more on memes and nostalgia as they made Trek into a comedy, when it was serious with occasional quest themes (TOS), existential meaning (TNG) or serious political threads (DS9). Something like "yeah you might be Trekkies, however this series is aimed at post-millennial humour, a new Trek audience with some homages, but what you're making isn't Trek because Trek isn't slapstick and it would require trying to ignore how incompetent these people are for the sake of the plot". Then probably reference The Orville as doing a better version because it's an original IP that found an audience and went with it without messing up Trek canon (to the Drinker, canon and continuity loyalty in the sense of treating it with respect is huge).
*It's made for people who are old enough to be adults but never got there.
@@nebulous6660 [Abruptly stops eating supper with a goblet halfway to my mouth]
I usually agree with the drinker but this time you may have been premature with this one. I binged this show after getting Paramount plus for the sole reason of watching the DE of Star Trek-TMP. Now while I agree Picard and Discovery are almost unbearable to watch, this show made me laugh and I thought it really picked up by mid-season one and continued through season two. Being animated you can do a lot more and there are so many fun Easter eggs and call backs to prior Star Trek shows, including TAS. Sober up my friend and give it another shot. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.
I think the drinks be making him to political about everything. Best he drink some water
@@jonoctopie2779 No, he is a Trek purist. LD is saddening if this is how it has to be - giving Futurama humor a Trek franchise paint. It's kinda like watching Wrath of Khan but with shaking camera and 50% lens flares on screen all the time. - It's just not a feasible mix.
BTW, I like Picard (relatively much), but LD I could only endure half a season or so.
"You asked, and we listened"
Those who write toilet graffiti are more in touch with their audience.
You listened, but WE know what's best for you !
At least Wendy knows to give a good time to those calling her number
Here I sit
broken-hearted.
Tried to shit
but only farted.
Still better writing than anything in Star Trek, Star Wars, Dr. Who etc during the last several years.
@@mattboggs6304 my point exactly. Don't forget to wash your hands. 😉
i admit when i see a dick written on the wall i feel more of a connection then watching StarTrek these days
Star Wars is for when you want space battles and blasters; Star Trek is for when you want space exploration and hope for the future.
Huh, someone gets it, too bad both now covers both... in the WORST way possible
Star wars does have some good story watch Dave filoni explains the prequels
@@screwistic fuck yeah bröther
@Kryptoskillet i dont know about that one chief, and i am a star wars fan XD
@Kryptoskillet, You should have paid more attention in science class.
Drinker, I have to say that while first impressions do matter, here I believe it was more mistake in marketing than it was a fault of the show. The first two episodes were a bit too dry, I’ll definitely admit, but I gotta say that the rest of the show has been nothing but stellar. It is a parody in the best sense of Star Trek as a whole, constantly referencing and quipping on some of the more ridiculous aspects of the show in a way that only somebody working in a place like the lower decks could possibly accomplish, and overall it is an absolute win. out of a long laundry list of crap that CBS has put out time and again for our unfortunate viewing “pleasure“, this has actually been a rare gem that I eagerly await the next episode for. i highly t recommend you give this a shot!
except all the woke bullshit with the super girl boss who can do everything. i gave it a chance but it just became too much.
@@TheJbrinksWho, Mariner? She only gets away with it because of nepotism.
3 years later, I'm happy to see that this Drinker Review doesn't represent what Lower Decks is. I avoided it like the plague at first because after shows like Picard and Discovery, I certainly was NOT into the idea of a cartoon parody jokey show that picked fun at something I loved... But now having seen 2 seasons of Strange New Worlds -- an actual GOOD TREK SHOW in the 2020's no less -- I was willing to give Lower Decks a go. I was ready to have some fun to go beside the (mostly) taken seriously Strange New Worlds. And I gotta say... i LOVE Lower Decks. I love it a lot, actually. It's REALLY good, and you can tell the people involved give a damn about Trek because it celebrates it in the most fun way... praising Trek while poking fun at it's ridiculousness. It's the PRAISING part that is important because you can tell the jokes at Trek's expense come from a place of love. It's not vile, crule, or meanspirited like you get from other shows and movies that seem to want to dump on things we like.
I would genuinely say watch Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks. Give them another go if you gave up on them before. I think you will find them to be quite enjoyable!
Thankfully, the negatives that are given in this review are not things that came to light. Boimler (purple hair guy) is an awkward punching bag, but he's extremely intelligent and competent and they show that constantly, he's just also naïve. Mariner (the gal he's with) is the hot-shot street-smart ensign, who has lots of experience and contacts, but really sucks at being "starfleet", only being IN it for reasons that are revealed quickly. Lower Decks is entirely lacking in the mean-spirited, social politics that exist today. Lower Decks IS for people who love Trek.
Best example of Boimler kicking ass is in the Borg test. He saves the Borg babies, beats the Queen at chess, and teaches her empathy. 100% 😂
Same, I've thoroughly enjoyed it. Between the final Picard, Strange New Worlds, and this... I almost have hope again...
Right? Drinker is being a whiner, gotta wonder if he even watched it or if he's just too sour at this point to enjoy comedy.
The Critical Drinker is pretty much the only reviewer I trust anymore.
Edit: Cheers for the suggestions guys and dolls. I hadn't heard of a few of those :)
IKR!!!!
And RLM
same here friend.
The Drinker as well as Mike and Rich from RLM along with Rob Myer Burnett and the Lorerunner are the only Star Trek critics I trust. RLM is the best at being funny while really going indepth on Trek while Lorerunner is the best at examinations with his ruminations but they are all great.
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CBS: _Yeah just turn the comments off for this one._
Dang!!! You're right!!! Way to 100% crap on the fans with that one!
I mean with it being so different I'm not surprised that there are going to be people who shit on it
*so stunning and brave of them*
MechanizedMan its not just different, its a random cartoon with a star trek skin
@@Firehazerd5444 ABSOLUTELY! It's ALWAYS the fault of the fans! I mean, what other possible reason could there be? They have the most talented, progressive writers that hollywood has to offer, how could it be anything except sensational, if only the fans were woke enough to appreciate it. You are wise beyond years.
Despite hating Picard and Discovery after watching I found lower decks had some interesting ideas and was written with some love and nods to the good trek that came way before. I had reservations about it but then watched it for myself and thought it was pretty good. Interestingly the trailer makes it seem 100 times worse than it actually was.
It's a good show and you can see that the writers really love Star Trek
I'm sure you can do better, right? lmao
It’s actually a pretty great show after the first few episodes. It actually has really mature moments and character growth and is really respectful of the Federation and its mission, while still joking about the lack of agency the characters have. The first episode of season 3 demonstrates its message really well!
Honestly, I love it. Jack Quaid always gives his all. The modern live action shows are undoubtably shit but this is a really fun show looking at Star Trek from a different view never before seen.
The Drinker was so depressed about this new Star Trek show that he couldn’t even finish his iconic line
That was a surprise move, for sure.
When the reviewer is so lazy, he can't even show current depictions of RT scores and relies on old screenshots from a year or two ago.
Gonna cry?
@@glyphsaiyan858 I mean 51%, 37% and 57% aren't numbers to brag about either.
He's just subverting our expectations, how are you so blind??
Just when you think Star Trek has hit rock bottom, you discover that Star Trek's bottom has a lower deck
^ this.
Somebody take Star Trek off of CBS's hands for the love of everything that is holy
Okay, that was pretty good.
Good one.
@@RobotronSage who would you even put into now? Everyone practically is ENFORCING "progressive" ideals without the ability to even write the stories and characters. Its truly disgusting to take a beloved name and just puke stuff on top of it without any care about the original source material.
Thank you for that...at least your remark has more humor and creativity that that mess the dare to put in front of us.
It's interesting that "The Orville", actually written by Seth MacFarlane ended up being far more respectful than the "real" franchise is now. That show even had a couple of pretty thought provoking episodes. Maybe because the man is a legitimate fan of the original series'.
Tbh, if you watch this show you can tell the writers are also fans of the old Trek. They poke fun at some of the sillier stuff and it can come off as a bit of nostalgia bait, but it seems like these references and riffs come from a sincere place of love.
@@danic_c 100% I agree
I found Orville to be missing too much of the real core, dunno. It was like a well-meaning copy job of someone who might be a fan, but not one of the smartest fans.
An excellent example for fans doing great stuff with the lore is, of course, *Star Trek Continues.*
@@Dowlphin Orville is 100% it's own show, though. I just mean that a brief shadow of the *feeling* I got from the latter ST:VOY or early ST:ENT franchises is there. On the other hand, the newer proper Star Trek shows have had none of the flavour of the past.
My point is simply that for a standalone, humor based show that isn't even in the same IP, the Orville felt a whole lot more like the 1990s Star Treks. It is also my opinion that the new ones have been an absolute dumpster fire. Typical of much that comes out of Hollywood these days. Lots of action sequences, shallow characters and even more shallow social commentary.
I started Lower Decks with skepticism, and first few episodes were shaky. However sad to say its the most enjoyable series of the 3 current ones, and is the most true to its TNG roots while poking at problems within the Trek universe at the same time.
It has found it's feet better in the later seasons, but relies heavily on member berries and cameo's to get the older crowd in, and I agree with the annoying continuation of useless/weak male leads. Also the Drinker was spot on, I would have been ~10 when I got into TNG and it captivated a younger me almost immediately, because it's genuinely good, a possible future to actually aspire to.
@@foxpants It takes a fan team to produce a truly masterful continuation of true Trek. I hope you are all already aware of *Star Trek Continues.* - Man, I love the fact there is one example to show how it can be done, to continue the lore faithfully, respectfully.
@@Dowlphin I wasn't aware but I sure will check it out now, cheers!
@@Dowlphin is that the same thing as Phase II?
@@joringedamke5597 If you mean New Voyages, I didn't really like that fan series. Continues is much better in my view, in several aspects.
To quote a radio advert in GTA Vice City: "We tell you what's good, then play it 'til you like it!"
Yeah but Vice City was good so no one cared lol hell I literally just went back to it to cruse around and relax the other day, and also go the Neros77 channel too FYI lol GTA 5's Radio Chatter, DJ's, Bad Traffic, Assonine pedestrians, and terrible characters that no one likes (save for Trevor) however can go straight to hell lol
One of the finest games ever made. Not in small part due to the "radio". (Though, the first helipcopter ownership is worth an honorable mention)
@@myeffulgenthairyballssay9358 dont tell that to the people who are STILL stuck on the RC helicopter mission to this day though lol
@@kavinskysmith4094 They might well be...
I just remember having to battle in what appeared to be Scarface's old house and upon completion, the copter was on the roof and flying that thing made me feel rich. A feat no game before or since replacates that first buzz flying around in my "made it" chopper. lol.
My Effulgent Hairy Balls say That’s just because you were young and never flew a helicopter in a game before. For me it was San Andreas’ jet pack from the desert airport.
> "leave me alone"
> instead of "go away now"
Who are you and what have you done with the drinker?
I need my proper dismissal!
I think you answered your own question. "What have they done to the drinker?" This video was so depressing to make he couldn't even.
So... are we staying here or...?
he either had too little to drink, or too much.
I'm sitting here, waiting.
I... I just don't know what to do now.
Usually, at this point, I'd do something else.
But...
...how...
...how do I go on?
8:14
THANK YOU! I’ve been saying this shit for years that just because they don’t have the experience of age doesn’t mean you should treat them like morons.
After being forced to watch modern “kids” movies with my family (I’m the oldest by around 7 years), it always pissed me off how simple and stupid the dialogue is because they think children are fragile. Too fragile that they can’t handle mature themes like maintaining functional relationships or death.
Children that inevitability grow up and will get pissed that you thought they were an idiot.
I don’t know about anyone else but went back at the movies of my childhood like The Lion King, Shrek, Mulan, Toy Story, I was surprised by the themes they covered. It’s alsmost as if the filmmakers respected the adults being forced to watch with their kids by making it enjoyable for everyone. Hell, even stuff like Space Jam respected my intelligence by going places didn’t need to go.
When I was a kid, my favorite movies were Star Wars, back to the Future, The Hunt for Red October and sister act. Some of them have a little goofiness or some jokes but generally they're pretty serious. I could never get into the really goofy slapstick stuff, at a young age it just wasn't as interesting as the high stakes gambits and consequences from more complex movies
Ye. The Lion King may have the cute characters and catchy songs for kids to enjoy, but the adults will get a surprisingly very biblical movie.
*Avatar - The Last Airbender* would be a good example of high-quality kids TV. Quite the mature themes in it, but kids can totally handle that when conveyed in the right style.
Also, as a reverse example, of course, *MLPFiM,* a show made for young girls, but because the show creation was a work of love, with the fan enthusiasm factor, and made with compassion for parents watching with their kids in mind 😅, it is quite delightful to watch for adults, too, at least those not totally jaded by the grimdark side of reality.
He was raised on a healthy mixture of Soviet classics of animation and pictures by PIXAR and Dreamworks - they gave unforgettable impressions and inspiration.
They knew how to joke and were not afraid to raise serious topics.
Therefore, both children and adults love them.
I didn’t like Disney at first sight, and I still have a wild allergic reaction to him.
They seemed so... hysterical.
Now I look and am disgust at what idiots the creators of this crap take us for.
What’s annoying is not even the quality and primitivism, but the expectation that we will really empathize with complete scum of the level of Family Guy.
@@Dowlphin
Yes! Great example!
I remember when my brother and I came across him on TV, we watched it all day, he fascinated us so much.
And for God's sake don't mention MLP, I'm starting to start rainbow foaming from my ears
if you want to see an example of Lowe Ranked people in a Sci-Fi setting, watch Red Dwarf, its still funny to this day.
"...with the animation quality of South Park"
C'mon, don't insult South Park like that
I agree, he should've said that it is animation quality of a shitshow version of Final Space and Final Space is 4x much better then this crap right here, something I feel sorry for Star Trek fans because CBS doesn't give a crap about quality but only about profits from only the name brand.
At least South Park is funny and well written
I think it looks clean and generic, than South Park.
Where South Park looks more artistic and unique.
grievous549 I love South Park, always have, always will...I don’t have anything to say about the animated Star Trek non sense other than I won’t be watching it...a pointless comment yes...but animation quality has almost nothing to do with a good show...a lot of South Parks best episodes occurred in the earlier seasons when the animation was in its primitive phase
More like the animation quality of Family Guy... Where the lame bug-eyed characters just stand there and stare blankly as another dumbass joke is being born.
Star Wars: We're going to alienate our loyal fanbase in the worst way possible!
Star Trek: Hold my beer.
I think you mean Romulan ale.
...or Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster..
@@jimtaylor294 don't give them ideas or they might reboot hitchhikers guide next
@@vonfaustien3957 True.
I had to mention the legendary mind pummeling drink though :D .
Dont worry, someone will hand JJ Blade runner in due course and then the destruction of my childhood will be complete.,
After watching the first season I have to say it is the best trek show on right now!!
Agreed, my Mrs tried to tell me this for a year b4 I caved and watched it and yeah it is, unlike everything else it seems like it was made with a genuine love for the franchise... I can only assume as a cartoon it was dismissed as not worth while by the studio and it's creators were more or less left alone to produce something actually Star Trek
Granted that’s a low bar, but I like this show a lot
Yeah, you would. 🙄
Best show in general
@@universpro7741 If you're 13 & easily impressed
I feel you were quick to judge Star Trek Lower Decks. I'd love to know if a year on, it is any good?
The main character definitely doesn't seem like a Mary Sue and all of the cast are equally flawed, and their actions fuel the plot most of the time. I've seen clips and from season 2 at least, and it seems pretty good. A light hearted take on Star Trek with respectable storylines to the lore, actually believable interactions between characters, and waaaaay more entertaining than anything else Star Trek has to suffer. I'd be tempted to watch the whole thing.
The trailer definitely doesn't seem to line up with raw clips of the show, at least as far as I can see?
I've already watched the seasons currently out for it and admittedly I didn't grow up watching star trek but I really enjoy it and it makes me want to watch other star trek things, I don't see any obvious Mary sues, they all have flaws which are worked on throughout the series with humor mixed in. I would recommend watching it, personally, if you haven't already
The Orville: When a comedic pardoy show is more like Star Trek than Star Trek, you have a problem.
The Orville isn't awesome or anything spectacular but it's definitely a funny show to throw on t.v.
Josh C
Exactly. It isn’t “awesome” or “spectacular” to the standards we expect from ST, but it’s closer ( *much* closer) than anything recently.
Man, i loved The Orville, some episodes are really well written and its characters have interesting arcs too.
The last two episodes of season 2 wouldn’t qualify as comedic ripoff in my book. Almost straight out of Voyager’s Year of Hell double feature.
Orville is almost a shot for shot remake of all the good episodes of the next generation. Its a literal miracle they werent sued for plagerism
It's funny that you mention Mary Sue in a Star Trek context, considering that the Mary Sue spawned from a Star Trek fanfic
Well, that's interesting.
(-:
The captain needs a certain amount of confidence and wisdom, or else why are they the captain?
This said, the point of a Star Trek captain is to go out and face the unknown. They can't always be right. They have to fail and recover or there's no point.
Kirk and Picard failed all the time and had to recover. Pike, Janeway, and Sisko - fail, fail, fail, recover, recover, recover. This is what gives the audience the confidence that the crew needs to have in the fact that the captains are worth their pay checks. Yeah that's right, paid in money. Forget all that "there's no money in the future" nonsense.
In the first season or two of STTNG, Wesley Crusher was annoyingly right about everything in every episode, to the point where you have to wonder how other starships survive without a Wesley on board. Everyone hated him about as much as Cousin Oliver from The Brady Bunch. Wesley was a Gary Stue. That's the male equivalent of a Mary Sue. Wesley wasn't right on target but he was close enough that I despised him in every scene.
Nobody likes a Mary Sue, or a Gary Stue.
@@protorhinocerator142 Youre Correct
@Ruosong Gao I'm not sure how "popular" they are. Especially today when they've become so common that there's a name for it and people are aware that they exist.
@@protorhinocerator142 I thought being good at things is only one aspect of a Mary Sue, the other being their unrelenting redeeming qualities? In that case I might challenge the idea of him being one by pointing out that while Wesley was incredibly bright and talented, he was also immature, impulsive, insecure, and at times irresponsible (hm). A smart dumb kid.
Any update post about how much striking fun lower decks is?
But it isn't.
@@chadking3793 why not?
After watching 3 seasons of this show, I honestly really liked it, so I really wish Critical Drinker would make a new review. I know that Star Trek has a really bad record before this so it’s understandable why he is not hopeful for this show. But man it’s actually pretty good imo
I actually avoided this show because of this review. My kids started watching, and we all love the show now. I think you're right, I believe the drinker jumped the gun on this show.
I honestly agree.
Live long and prosper!
@@nerdsubculture845
The critical drinker is a moron, he hasn't had a decent take on a show or movie ever.
I agree! It had its growing pains early on but what show hasn't? It's good Trek that doesn't shit on canon.
Okay, I'm gonna give this show another chance because the VERY OPENING SCENE is ultra cringey. To me, that's not really Star Trek. The pilot of Strange New Worlds was more of what I think Star Trek is, even though it was a bit on the nose about the "strange alien humanoid world" destroying itself with super-nukes. Lower Decks honestly felt like CBS was pitching the idea of "Hey, that show Family Guy is _really_ popular. We need our own Family Guy, but we just have the Star Trek IP. What can we do?"
Remember when liking Star Trek used to brand you a nerd who likes the "boring science show?".. I kind of miss those days tbh.
@mike love Its annoying.
Star Trek uses a lot of pseudo science for their shows.
@@KalEl7802 How does your comment contribute to this thread?
@@KalEl7802 Yeah I know, just meant to the average person who never really watched it, they thought it was nerdy.
I remember when Star Wars & Star Trek fans would go to war with bottles and chains over the love of each IP. Now both camps are in ruin after a Disney/Kathleen & CBS/Kurtzman killed all will in both camps to fight. They just huddle together in the trenches waiting for the sweet release of death.
Those TNG clips just reinforce how fucking timeless that era’s aesthetic was. Sets, costumes and ships still look great to this day.
And in gorgeous HD 1080p. Damn! Makin it so.
It's almost as if effort shows and can elevate something beyond its base purpose.
hence why Orville rocks, it took that idea
Revkor yep. Just do a new Star Trek with that look (with a higher budget) and you got urself a winner
Even though the early episodes were occasionally hit-or-miss, any good series tends to need a little time to find its focus. (Even Spock in TOS was more human the first few episodes.) But TNG improved, found its winning formula and did not deviate from it, and that is why it is the epic series it is.
And then PICARD came along and squandered the goodwill. Captain Picard, you deserved better than what you got.
When I was 10 I remember watching Buffy, Star Trek, new adventures of Superman, Farscape, Sliders, Star Wars (I know it wasn't a series but I watched it every week like it was 1). Kids are so much more switched on and mature than they give them credit for.
I loved Lower Decks. It felt like a reward for having watched every previous episode of Trek rather than Picard punishing me for being a Trek fan.
I (kinda) like Picard, but I couldn't endure LD.
SWEARING IN STAR TREK
IS LOWERING THE QUALITY
AND IQ LEVEL
Yeah, excessive swearing is so off putting, it feels like it was written by a 13 y/o trying to be edgy.
@@alidaraie well it was, because most the humans working these jobs don't have kids so aren't considered adults.
you know it's actually appalling how the job market favors independent yuppy types to family guys
The constant affirmations of Tilly are the worst part of the show.
How could the writers forget that there is no money, poverty and swearing in Star Trek's future?
I don't mind swearing as long as the swears aren't just one-word 21st century slang. If the expletives and put downs actually were new words and actual colourful language then it would mean a lot more.
The Orville: made by a man who has a genuine love of the Star Trek series, and wanted to share his love.
Modern Star Trek: made because money, they love money
Someone who loves money and isn't a fucking idiot would have hired the people who genuinely love Star Trek.
Those tards don't do it for the money. They are on a crusade.
The Orville: SO much better when it was called "Galaxy Quest."
Both creatively-purposeless failures.
Made because politics. They can't have thought that this would be profitable, nobody's that stupid.
I greatly appreciate TheCriticalDrinker's reviews and insights. And usually find myself in strong agreement. And so I was surprised to see how much he disliked this series. My brother and I, both around at the dawn of TOS, actually look forward to discussing each episode as it drops. To us, it truly appears that the writers are über fans of Star Trek. Allusions to TOS, DS9, TNG are everywhere, knowing throwaways and Easter eggs appear throughout each episode. The plots are interesting and often unpredictable. And the core message is very true to Star Trek. Doing it "the Federation Way" is a tenet throughout the series. I agree with another reviewer that it would be interesting to see if TheCriticalDrinker still holds the negative take show that he has in this review. If he does, that's totally fine - we'll just agree to disagree on this one.
He won't, because that won't earn him the clicks. I used to watch his reviews a while back, but realized he is just a bitter asshole that is upset that the world has passed him by.
This is based on a trailer only, right? The characters are not what the Drinker guesses they will be.
This is the only new Star Trek that I like. The show runner is a Star Trek nerd and there are so many obscure Trek references than I have a hard time recommending it to someone who isn’t very familiar with Trek.
And it has 66% audience approval on Rotten Tomatoes …
They could just make it a series of Robot Chicken parody sketches and have a better show.
Hey sexy garbage boy.
like a growing number of people, I rarely go to the movies (years apart) and I don't subscribe to these horse shit streaming services. I often find out how bad they are through guys like Critical Drinker. And I really think the content creators ripping on this shit is giving me much more entertainment...for free.
Hey, could you two do a collab? Pretty please?
Did you run out of Pabst? I hear that stuff has metal shavings in it.
Dude that worked for Star Wars. Seth McFarlane needs to be the emperor if Ian McDiarmid falls ill or worse.
Seth gets the campy awesomeness of Ian's Palply, and that shows more respect for the title character than Star TP ever did
Well, CBS has achieved one thing with this trailer: I'm going to try out The Orville.
Well worth it. Good storytelling, great characters and a decent dose of tongue-in-cheek humour.
Orville is the fucking shit!
@JOHN JOHN it's honestly not terrible. I enjoyed most of season 1, there's a few really fucking stupid things but it's decent for the most part. More good than bad, at least in the first season, I didn't watch farther than that.
Final Space is worth a punt as well. It is animated but beautiful. Decent script.
Orville is more Star Trek than Nu-Trek.
This show, as a comedy, has way more respect and passion for the source material than Discovery or Picard. Lower Decks is utterly fantastic.
Ah but is it good on it's own merit or good because Kurtzman Trek is so abominably bad? Something to consider.
@@BeardedDanishViking On its own merit, for sure. Lower Decks could have come out alongside DS9, my favorite Trek show, and I would have loved it.
@@BeardedDanishViking If you don't know much about star trek which i don't its watchable and has moments. but thats it.
@@jackskellingtonsora Your favourite Trek show is DS9, hmmm, that speaks volumes, and lowers the validity of your opinion about Below Decks, in fact, it lowers the validity of your opinion on anything Star Trek based.
@@mickk8519 I don't know what to tell you. DS9 is the best Star Trek show. It's not my fault if you don't have taste. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I remember for about a year when I was very young, around 7-8. I’d wake up early with my parents and after the news one of our local stations played Star Trek TOS for about an hour. We’d watch an episode or two every weekday morning, mom and dad had coffee and I ate cereal. It was, nice. I loved Kirk, Spock, Scotty, McCoy. The adventures were a great way to start the day. I’d find myself just thinking on what the episode that morning was talking about when I was bored in school.
I love TOS, and the whole universe Roddenberry started.
This isn’t my Star Trek, this is no one’s Star Trek. This is the Star Trek that makes fans think “geez… maybe I’ll give Voyager another shot”
It’s like Kathleen Kennedy had a baby with Futurama and Star Trek Discovery.
That's not fair, the worst Futurama got was "slightly less than stellar". Dosen't deserve to be lumped in with this tripe.
@@KorriTimigan the original run was fantastic. Its return was pretty trash.
KorriTimigan It’s not a slight at Futurama. If one was to have the worlds best steak but you had to top it with vomit and human excrement it’s not likely you would remember the steak. Futurama can only do so much.
"Anyway whatever leave me alone. "
Wow you must really be pissed and depressed
I don't feel right unless The Drinker tells me to "go away now."
Early Drinker: "As always thank you for your time and hope you enjoyed the video."
Later Drinker: "That's all I have for today....go away now."
Modern Drinker: "Anyway whatever leave me alone."
No better reflection of the progression of a career in modern media criticism.
Can't say I blame him. Star Trek was a great "universe", with good characters, compelling stories, and some pretty decent acting. WAS. Now, it's turned into shyte, ruined by "agendas", destruction of everything that made it great, and ignoring what the fans want, in favor of trying to...hell, I don't even know what they're trying to do.
But what I do know is, the last few years have seen the destruction of every single franchise that was once considered great. Aliens, Terminator, Predator, Star Wars, Star Trek...all of them torn down, destroyed, reduced to sad, pathetic parodies of what once made them great. I'm not one for conspiracies, but I can't shake the feeling that this is all deliberate.
My wife and I (both Trekkies) actually enjoyed Lower Decks, when we assumed it was a fanfic parody. The jokes that landed for us were all ones that were in jokes for the kind of lore nerds that can see five seconds of a TOS, TNG, DS9, or Voyager episode and immediately know which one it is and give you a synopsis on the spot. When we weren't laughing (more of the run time than not) we were pointing out continuity errors between this show and the classics.
Now we both loved the Orville. It captured the spirit of classic Trek but messed with the premise in the same way this show tried to. Instead of following a crew that is among the best in the fleet, you follow people who are barely good enough not to get fired. The Orville kept what made Star Trek good in the first place. Lower Decks did not.
Back in my binging TNG days, I did think that a show about junior officers could have been interesting.
TNG is straight-up Roddenberry utopia. The senior officers of the Enterprise D are paragons of humanity, they're disciplined, wise and virtuous. Each is hyper-competent at their own discipline and excellent in another; Picard for example is a ship's captain, a tactician and diplomat, who gives keynote speeches about archaeology and is an avid mountain climber. They all give classical music recitals and Shakespeare plays in their spare time. They're *already* amazing people, which means they have very limited room to grow, especially Picard.
A show that focuses on a group of ensigns could have a central theme of personal growth. A group of fundamentally good people with human (or alien) flaws which through trial, error, consequence and triumph they learn to overcome. I don't think that could get produced today though; TV is too dumb.
👍👍👍
Gene kinda lost out after he insisted on the first movie the Voyage Home. They shoed him away after that and he wasn't involved any more.
What you're asking for in this comment is what the show is all about. I recommend watching it.
Watch the show. It’s exactly what you asked for. Just remember - they’re new officers and 20-somethings.
They got that 20-something energy and are total stans for Star Trek lore with incredible passion for what they do.
The SNW crossover also mocks how loud and fast talking the kids are lol.
Star trek was once best described as 'the thinking mans adventure' but there is no place for such a thing in a world where people are taught not to think...
The new iterations of that puke they call Star Trek are humus, made for the
Labotamots of the planet Labotomy. Rather than giving us ''the Thinking Mans Adventure''....they've spewed out pablum for the ''Absent Of Mind"....!!!
Thought crime does not entitle death
@@nathanielgarza9198 Unless you can THINK SOMEONE TO DEATH ..............
Mesmerizing powers activate
@@lebanese3000 Well...in that case....I apologize to ''humus''. I meant to be clear in my assertion that those ''things'' are on the level of FECES !
Imagine destroying Star Trek, Star Wars and doctor who all In a few years
add to the list The Terminator
It’s kinda depressing but true :-/
That's kind of their playbook: Destroy the pillars of your culture and history...
They’re destroying art to take away people’s ability to think freely, it’s all part of the incoming subjugation, they don’t need us watching movies, they need us doing our jobs, making money and asking no questions, it’s a sad state of affairs really
Star wars was destroyed 20 years ago.
I actually do enjoy Strange New Worlds. And Lower Decks cracks me up. Maybe I'm in the wrong on that one, but i love the overall premise. I do think it's better than Family Guy, I hate that show.
But you were pretty spot on with those cast predictions.
I never intended to watch lower decks, it looked really childish and not the kind of thing I would be interested in.
However I ended up binging the first season on a long haul flight and watched the next three seasons when I got home.
It's honestly really got the star trek feeling whilst also being a fun heartfelt parody of everything which came before. Didn't think I would like the characters but ended up loving them and their development.
As someone who is pretty sceptical of new trek I would deffinately reccomend!
I remember when I was a kid, I used to watch Batman: TAS and Star Trek TNG back to back every weekday. As a nine year old I had an abundance of things presented to me in fiction that challenged me to think about the world in different ways. It's sad that kids nowadays have practically nothing to watch that actually takes shit seriously, it's like all of media is trying to teach them that nothing is worth thinking about, it's all about hyperactive gags and stimulating emotions in shallow, meaningless ways.
I suspect that the content is a reflection of the creators and those who sign the paycheck. In both instances.
It's amazing to me just how nihilistic and narcissistic some TV shows are, all while virtue signaling at every opportunity.
I totally agree take the CW heroes for example. There's no logic or learning just over the top emotional dribble. That has finally caught up them. Anyway Star Trek is definitely dead and I won't worry about strange new worlds until kurtzman is out because no one base on the numbers anybody going to finance it
@@cliffordterrell957 supernatural is a great example of your comment. Seasons 1-5 were gold, then the preaching came, the wokeness, the endless bickering between Sam and Dean that was the same three arguments all the way to season 15. It blows my mind how trash the CW has become
@Optimus Prime
I'm not sure what's upbeat about LD. The trailer is a series of unfunny jokes. I know a lot of 8 year olds (I happen to be a teacher) who are more mature than the so-called characters in LD.
Star Trek fans: "We want a new ST show,that goes back to the roots and respects Gene Roddenberry´s vision of intelligent Sci-Fi."
CBS: "Hey,Rick & Morty is huge atm. Let´s make a shitty knockoff,of that animated show. That´s how we´re gonna get the ST fans back."
It´s like these people have some sort of perverted bet going on,with K.Kennedy, which can ruin their respective franchises in more horrible ways or something, WTF?!
Almost like they're listening to the fans' conversation through a door. A _vault_ door.
@@whiterabbit75 ...are you saying this is all a Vault-Tec experiment?
...it would make a kind of sense.
@@eldritchedward "Vault-2020's goal was to expose the vault dwellers to progressively worse spin-offs of beloved franchises to study how fanbases divide and if they will gradually come to accept the horrible content."
It's almost like they are doing that with Star Trek: Strange New Worlds, and that this is something entirely different.
But yeah. I guess we can shit on things?
So much for : "You asked, we listened"
You know, if you put your cellphone down for more than 15 sec and actually take the time for a nice bothway conversation, maybe I'll feel listened too.
This relationship between CBS/Startrek Fans is on the verge of Divorce. Heck we're already cheating them with "The Orville".
I actually like this show. It's actually trying to be Trek and makes regular jabs at new Trek.
Same
Same. Once you get past the first couple of episodes it's pretty good and gets better as it goes along. Much closer to the 90's trek than the other modern treks.
@@LazzaRuss
Agree, and towards the end of season two the show really hit a good stride
Same. The first episode lies to you, when you get passed the first few there’s a lot of fun to be had 👍
Agreed!
This video is a perfect example of why you shouldnt judge a show by the trailer.
Lower decks is awesome. All the characters regardless of gender race etc are equally flawed. Its pure start trek. Its just,... the normal people, instead of the megasuperstars like riker and picard.
its well done, please watch the show and update!
Agreed.
I agree
Great characters, stories and comedy and you don't need to know anything about star trek
Such a good show! I love it!
"people used to watch star trek because it was smart, toughtful and engaging"
yep, correct. And that's exactly what's missing from all the latest trek incarnation
Mr. Rogers realized decades ago that when talking to kids, you should take them seriously. Lower Decks did not.
Everything in the latests versions end in combat, always combat.
And if they TRY some personal or crew issues, it's so bland and easy solutions ...
Like no philosophical stuff, no reflections on real life dynamics with issues ( doesn't happen every episode but previous versions had a way of making fitting episodes about it )
Im pretty sure i always hated all of the action heavy episodes. All the episodes that were closer to thrillers were better.
So true, greetings from Germany!
I miss true Star Trek, too!
I have to say, the first 2 seasons of TNG are atrocious.
Star Trek: Lower Ratings
Ooh, I hadn't thought of that.
I call it "Star Trek: Lower Standards", myself.
2:27 from 2022 they did the opposite with ST:SNW and made an excellent first season.
Also ST:Lower Decks and ST:Prodigy is pretty good!
.....Dear C.D.;
While I agree with you on most of the points you made, I have some Sad news.
Since the last TNG movie..Nemesis...THIS is the 'best' Star Trek made to date.
Not the Abrams' universe, and not the other Kurtzman Treks that have destroyed characters, canon and the integrity of the Ideal of what Star Trek is...ST: Lower Decks. despite all the good and truthful points you have made about Lower Decks..I believe that..
..so far...Lower Decks is the Best Kurtzman Trek.
This tells you how far the Iconic Series Ideals have fallen..more like tripped then tied up and gagged.
Now...I read that Kurtzman has very little input to this series.
But...even before 'Lower Decks'...I had thought for every Capt. Kirk in Star Fleet, there has to be somewhat less capable officers that will never really be put in the same situations as Kirk and Picard. The unseen, never heard from, totally forgotten by those on The Final Frontier.
And that's what Lower Decks is about...those who serve, are less perfect than the Kirks and Picards..but they still have some unwanted, not trained for Adventures and somehow come out, pretty much in one piece.
I am not really defending Lower Decks, but I think its an interesting concept and a laugh fest full of Trek references peppered through out every episode.
Yes, there's an ethnic captain...but to be honest; I have not seen a movie/re-booted TV show of late that didn't have either a gender or race swamp or both.
( Boomer from the original Battlestar Galactica for instance )
SIDE NOTE: Go watch a movie entitled "The First Signal' all sorts of empowered women in that one. .....This captain is no Kirk ( she'd like to be ) and she's only one step above the crew in capability.
These ships, the California Class have...supposedly...an even more boring routine than the Picard era Excelsior class starships.
BUT...some thing always happened than..usually...no one expected...except when the Cerritos captain wore that alien mask from TNG.
I had started to create a Star Trek series...not for money of course...where the 'Not the Cream of Star Fleet' were assigned...because up until Lower Decks, I had never heard of that part of the Trek universe being explored.
Even Kirk was an Ensign at one time and everyone has to start somewhere.
I suppose the only Defense of 'Lower Decks' I can give is...Its the Best of the Kurtzman treks.
Take that for what it might be worth.
Thanks for the video; C.D.
To paraphrase Bree Larson: if you're a straight, white, TOS-loving person, this franchise isn't made for you anymore
That lazer-like focus on 3% of the population....
Then the audience doesnt exist lol
Lol new star trek is made for people who don't even like star trek.
I don't know why they can't just make star trek for the fans. We ain't going anywhere
Awww, your white fragility is showing.
@@LePedant black votes matter
The fact that it's drawn in the now all-too-common CalArts style is reason enough to avoid it.
thats not calarts style, is final space style, im pretty sure they are the same ones, even the cat “model” looks like its the same but different colors.
@@saphi20 Agreed. This isn't exactly "Calarts". It looked like they traced the artstyle of Final Space.
This is more of "generic adult cartoon style that most generic adult cartoons use now because they think it's what made other adult cartoons popular".
It’s not Cal-Arts style. It’s the GoAnimate style.
The people who “popularised” the style didn’t study at Cal-Arts.
The term was coined by John K., one of the greasiest bastards in animation who is bitter that animators are more influenced by Disney and Pixar’s style rather than his.
@Danny Morrissey no. even that failed what it could have been. I recall the concept video Olan made for it. It was much better, darker, more dramatic, still had the goofy humour tho. Then the studio came along, and i don't blame Olan Rogers, this was his break.... but the version they released, i felt it was dumbed down, made to appeal to generic, kid friendly mass market.
This isn't calarts. Steven universe is quintessential calarts.
Regardless; still unwatchable. Just like steven universe.
got this one wrong in my opinion. its pretty funny and the characters are pretty funny. think the big issue is that this is the best trek on atm. i agree that we need some good trek but dont think ld is bad
It just isn’t Star Trek. Good lord, look at what they just did (another blatant R&M hack job) with the blatant adult content. Like Naked Now without taste. So “edgy”. Ugh
Watching this for the first time and I'm cracking up because of how good LD has been
Star Trek: The Musical
Star Trek: Cooking with Replicators
Star Trek: Real Wives of the Federation
Drachinifel: Episode 3,046, Federation Shuttles
The Many Lives of Scotty
I'd watch a Star Trek: Top Gear. And I'd be curious about a Family feud Cardassians vs Klingons.
Ferengi host: "Name a thing hewmans like."
Cardassian: "Root beer."
Ferengi Host: "Show me root beer!"
*DING!*
Ferengi Host: "Name a thing hewmans like."
Klingon: "Cowering in dishonor under their soft beds..."
*X*
Of course, even writing something as simple as that requires more love for Star Trek than whoever is in charge of it right now.
Star trek: k'lana, the Vulcan pimple popper.
Star Trek: Extreme Living Quarters Makeover Edition.
"Oh, this decor has to go. Hel-looo, Stardate 45789.1 is calling. They want their wall pictures of nebulas back. Let's replace those with more modern pictures of galaxies instead."
Ok, I gotta admit, the real wives sounds pretty cool. All of Kirk and Riker's women dishing, oh yeah, count me in for that one. Why not, I have certainly seen enough DVD outtakes and interviews of them and Bond women too. THAT show could work, but this absolute garbage they are tossing out ishideouss.
Traveling with Tribbles
CBS: People don't care about character development and interesting ideas and stories. Just copy and paste Rick and Morty and make it worse somehow.
Writers: Whatever gets my next paycheck
They'd get more $$$$,,,IF THEY DID IT ''RIGHT''...!!
eh rick and morty actually has some character development funnily enough
Screenwriters aren't in charge so I blame the producers.
I have not watched single thing after 'The Next Generation' and I don't mean to.
@Roman von Ungern Sternberg Choo choo, her comes the hatetrain next station: Whatever is popular to hate on right now.
I’m a huge fan of the Drinker, and I’ve always been a huge fan of Star Trek. I haven’t watched any of the newer stuff because the Drinker has repeatedly said how bad it is. Then T-Mobile gave us a year free of Paramount+, and I decided to dive in. Uh, I don’t know how the Drinker got it all so wrong! All of the new Star Trek stuff - including Lower Decks - is fantastic! Yes, there were two gay dudes in Discovery (thankfully less than that now), but the story is fabulous! If you try liking the new stuff, you may find that it’s a dang fun ride. I sure have!
Why is gay guys a problem?
@@benwetzel8449 Because God says that such a thing is forbidden (Leviticus 18:22, and many others). This means - among other things - that such behavior is damaging to the individual as well as the society. Therefore, those who encourage the normalcy of such things are actually not encouraging ‘love’, but rather fruitlessness and unrighteousness, and are not warning people away from impending judgment. In other words, depicting such things as normal is in reality hateful toward human beings.
@@truebaptistfilms sorry to tell you this, mariner dates a woman in lower decks. And I feel that any good Star Trek fan should know that the future of Star Trek does not concern itself with religious beliefs.
@@benwetzel8449 My point was never to discuss what is and is not a part of the Star Trek universe, but rather what is and is not good for an audience. I know that Star Trek has lots of fantastical elements that require suspension of disbelief - intelligent life other than humans, for example. Since the perfect sci-fi show has not been created, though, we always have to deal with some kind of imperfection. Things that have the potential to hurt audiences are a little worse, though.
@@truebaptistfilms well, I sure as hell ain’t hurt by the presence of some gay people. If the existence of gay people is all that stands between society and oblivion, then society should have never formed at all
Watch the show and give us an update!!
Fans Looking at modern Adult Animation: "Wait, it's all Rick and Morty Knockoffs?"
Investors: "Has been since 2016."
Under rated comment
Rick and Morty's been slamming it's head into a doorframe trying to commit suicide. Especially the last season. Just do 20 minutes of setting Roiland up to perform a solid 20 minutes improv on his own. Animate it done. End it.
Investors: "always has been"
*cocks gun*
so we just gonna ignore the Harley Quinn series?
@@tylerleach1833 That's an exception. It's good, but it unfortunately doesn't change the fact that most Modern Adult animation is still shallow stuff like this.
I feel sorry for Star Trek fans. I feel sorry for fans of many franchises that are being driven into the ground by uncreative hacks.
I feel sorry for the new generation that may consider it as the original source material.
Meh. Just don't follow franchises and you'll be fine.
It's not so bad as long as their work doesn't exist in your mind.
Even "uncreative hacks" turn out something interesting by accident once an ice age. They are simply incompetent. Remember "The Peter Principle"? CBS revels in it so much that this "descent into irrelevance" would make so-so TV.
Do you want to know the truth and what’s really going on here? See “Science Fiction and the hidden global agenda “ by Carl James. The Star Trek Agenda lecture here: czcams.com/video/Wz6NkjxNWJA/video.html
Ironically, all the decent and interesting characters from STD were removed. Mirror Lorca, the Empress and Chris Pike. And all of the annoying ones were kept around.
Seems like the execs do have a plan, after all.
I'm so glad this video ended up aging horribly! Both Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds have been quite good so far
"Let's capture Rick and Morty's audience with Star Trek's marketing."
I watch Rick and Morty occasionally and even I wouldn’t touch this pile of shit with a ten foot pole
It won't work, we're smarter than that..
Plus the Rick & Morty crew seem to be sabotaging their own show since their tired or bored of it now..
I mean, the idea of a Star Trek cartoon isn't a bad one... it's just that this is not the type of cartoon it should have been. It is utterly derivative, cynical, and still plagued by the stupid ass problems the live shows have. Namely in it being set in the utterly botched kelvin timeline.
Just go back to the real trek timeline, throw this all away and start over with the trek that is actually good. >__>
@carlangas world let is just remember the animated series as the true animated series.
I think they were more trying to reclaim the audience The Orville won over.
I was genuinely shocked when he said "leave me alone" instead of "go away now".
That’s when you know The Drinker ran out of whiskey last night and has been drinking rum since noon instead.
He subverted our expectations
But he pretty well echoed how I feel about the current Star Blech.
Plot twist: Lower Decks is the best Star Trek cartoon of all time
It's funny, because the term "Mary sue" came from a star trek parody fanfic
I haven't been told to "go away now". Help, I think I'm stuck here forever now
An endless cycle
Aimed at kids? Compare this to Star Trek: the animated series. That was aimed at kids too but took them seriously, often with stories that rivaled the original series.
Thank you!!!! I absolutely love ST TAS. They pulled off showing real aliens and a truly serious and decently written premise and plot. I strongly encourage anyone who wants a real taste of Star Trek to watch TAS. Now that is how you have an animated Star Trek, not this garbage which would have been better with Cartman as captain, and Kenny as the expendable security guard. You bastards!!!!!
“Yesteryear” is a classic.
TAS was described in a 1973 critical review as being "a Mercedes among rusty Skodas" in the Saturday morning cartoon lineup. This despite animation so poor it was basically a series of stills.
The Animated Series is one of my first memories of infancy. That's how indelible it is to me.
@@ProjectFlashlight612 Compared to the slideshow that was Hammerman, or the anti-animation that was 12 oz Mouse, Star Trek Animated is frikkin Akira.
I was wrong about this show. The pilot made me skeptic, but it is not woke, it is not full of agenda and it just got better and better. The end of season 2 was amazing. Eagerly waiting for the 3'rd one. Re watch this Drinker. It was judged way to soon. They really nailed it with the last S2 episodes.
Came here for this. Show is very good, not great but definitely much better than this video sets it up to be.
You may be right about the other Trek live action shows, but this series captured everything about the Next Gen I grew up with and adds it's own distinct flair. Snarky, smart, and gives fans exactly what they wanted in a new Trek series. Sorry bud, you're wrong
"When one has been angry for a very long time, one gets used to it. And it becomes comfortable, like… like old leather. And finally it becomes so familiar that one can't ever remember feeling any other way." - Picard, 'The Wounded'
@@sadbuttrue1187 "Not every quote people say are deep and meaningful, or even true."
-Sadie Butler Truemann
@@sadbuttrue1187 Sometimes it's also best to ask people or just walk away from discussions or statements you don't understand or haven't matured enough to appreciate, rather than belittle them, so that everyone will hopefully not notice your shallow and immature nature.
@@mattcritchley5670 When people don't understand things, it's a base human instinct to attack it. That's what we see with the growing legions of dumbasses across the country here in America.
@@mattcritchley5670 Looks like SadButTrue killed himself - his comments are nowhere to be found.
Picard, my adventures outside of the old folks home.
The problem I'm seeing with current entertainment is that they're hiring people who think it's cool to crap on the past. It's a niche, hipster, SJW thing. They live in a bubble and have developed a cult of themselves, believing themselves to be cool and funny.
Seth meyers effect
Thats what my grandad used to say about me for wearing baggy jeans and listening to metal.
Yep SJW, woke culture
You mean like these guys? czcams.com/video/lVmmYMwFj1I/video.html
@@sherlockinsomniac Metalheads wanted to do their own thing, not tell everyone else how to be and what to say and not say otherwise we will go into conniptions.
Well this review aged like milk.
The slowed down leeloo laugh is one of my favourite things ever😂
"Animation quality of southpark "
It wishes.
I mean yeah. By comparing it to south park, family guy and Rick and Morty he actually made me wanna watch at least the first episode as I did enjoy those 3 series and am not a rabid Star Trek fan, so I can enjoy a non-canon spinoff for what it is.
@@johnallen3033
To be honest the series is fine if you dont load it with expectations of what it should be and enjoy it as a non canon comedy spinoff. I watched the three episodes that are out and pretty much none of the stuff said in this video is accurate as far as the characters go. It's no masterpiece, bit it is ok for a bit of mild entertainment when you just want to relax.
@@SangerZonvolt may as well watch something else then, I doubt anyone is this bored
@@luigiwiiUU
Why would I watch something else when I enjoy this one though?
@@SangerZonvolt oof
It really looks like Star Trek made by people who've never heard of Star Trek before and were told what it is by someone who hates Star Trek.
That applies to all things Star Trek ever since 2009.
@@jamiebraswell5520 True. But it bears repeating as often as possible to remind people of the travesty.
Sorry to break it to you but the writers of this show know more about trek than you. They have so many Easter eggs hidden, like exact conversion of stardates. But I guess crying about a silly kids show is now something adult, self proclaimed, fans do.
@@Lancor84
use of a stardate conversion calculator readily available to anyone with access to a web browser does not make one a fan
@@Lancor84 LOL. Buddy, I saw the trailer, they don't know jack about Star Trek. So someone fed them a few lines to make "easter eggs"? They have exact stardates? So what? Technical precision in quoting someone else's work or a fictional (and meaningless, given what the original creators said) doesn't compensate for half-assed, incompetent writing and an utter lack of understanding of anything that makes Star Trek-the real one-enjoyable and entertaining. Lower Drecks is basically what you get when a C-level university student is told to take a creative writing class and writes fanfic for homework. Sure, it's got all the technical aspects and data points right; all the stuff you can look up on the Internet. But its characters, characterization, and plot all scream "rank amateur" at best, and "outright hack" at worst.
I don't know whether you're a butthurt fanboy of Jar-Jar Trek or just a CBS shill paid to try and change the narrative, but either way, you're pathetic. I've been watching Star Trek since I was a kid: i didn't need a shitty, piss-poor retard's version of Trek like this Lower Drecks garbage. I was watching and enjoying the shows back when I was 8. I know Trek. You-and the writers of this abortion-clearly do NOT.
Go read some books, kid. And none of that post-modernist deconstruction shit, read some of the good stuff that built the stories in the first place. Maybe then you'll appreciate good writing. ...Or maybe not. Either way, your opinion is as worthless as that liberal arts degree you're aiming for.
I will give it credit, I did like how they had Jeffery Combs as a guest voice actor
Well it's been 2 years and this has been a real shit take. Maybe you should review it again.
I'm hardly the first to say it, but modern Trek is made by and for people who don't like Star Trek.
Who dont like star trek to market to people who dont like star trek, but who want name recognition of star trek.
Just like Star Wars and anything else you can imagine. It's just title-flaying for the "edgy counter-culturists" who have zero plan or idea of what comes after everything's been torn down. They don't care. They never will.
@@deedlessdeity218 it's people who cant create on their own, and yet they think they can do better, so they take over the existing properties to transform them into their twisted social justice vision.
Same as communism, they can't create, they just want to take control of existing industries to serve them.
And incidentally, most of the social justice people are commies, and tor a reason. No actual solution, just a disdain for what is here.
@@SnakeWasRight An accurate and logical analysis.
It's the same in a lot of franchises. Any of you like Dungeons & Dragons?
I used to, before it was ruined by a company that is actively insulting its customer base.
I'm trying to think of anything I used to love that wasn't ruined by post-post-modernist bullshit. It's a hard think.
"It's depressing to see beloved Francises go down in flames..."
- A wise man.
“How does it feel to watch all your favorite franchises die right in front of you...” - Rich Evans
''The 'Franchise"...is now DEAD !!!!
-A sad man.........
More like a swimming pool full of rancid shit.
tbh I dont really know any Francis personally
@@chosentonessournotes feels great!
To be fair, this is the best of the current shows.
After 3 years I really hope critical drinker is ready to eat the Humble Pie
He's still right. Take the TNG skin off Lower Decks, get rid of the constant memberberries. This type of show has no substance and is so formulaic, you could put it in an generic universe with the characters, you'd see how surface level and nostalgia baiting it is. Zero depth nor intelligence.
@stephaniesandlin1060 lower decks is a great show. It's fun entertaining and a new, not so serious way to look at star trek. People like drinker don't see the forest for the trees sometimes. And that's fine, but lower decks is one of the most popular treks.
@@thehandoftheking3314 It's popular because the memberberries and nostalgia. That in itself shows you how low the bar was and currently remains in NuTrek. Nostalgia is vapid and lifeless and only lasts as long as the lines of cocaine before your eyes. Alas though, you calling it a "great show" belies that memberberries and crass humor are your bag. The intelligence and depth, hallmarks of Trek in bygone years, obviously aren't your thing. It's ok to like adolescent blast shield jokes and like nostalgia fueled escapism rather than intelligence. Just don't tell me it's great. It's a reflection of low quality memberberry Adult Swim rip offs instead of advancing the legacy and quality of the IP. Take the ST TNG memberberry skin off the show, it reveals itself as creatively empty and devoid of anything, and is just... crass. Lower Decks is one step above a primate throwing feces and thinking it's funny. Drinker NAILED it. NuTrek reducing itself to pure nostalgia without the heart or intelligence along with the most unbelievable and unlikeable characters in a ST series. Certified thrown monkey feces it is.
@@zoso1980 "Take the TNG skin off Lower Decks, get rid of the constant memberberries. "
And it tells trek stories about co-operation, diplomacy, peace, science and having an open mind.
You yourself could work on that last one.
You truly havent seen any of it have ya?
Somewhere in Milwaukee Mike and Rich are raising a glass to the Critical Drinker.
Some say that if you listen very closely at night, you can hear Rich's laugh echo through Milwaukee streets, followed by Mike's drunken cackle.
I recognized that and I clapped!
@@p.bamygdala2139 IT BROKE NEW GROUND!
@@p.bamygdala2139 So cool! So cool!
"Kurtzman is currently overseeing no less than 4 shows and that's 3 more than he's capable of managing"
I'm impressed by your optimism there, not sure why everyone thinks you're so negative with hopes that high.
And he's got Clarice too, he's going to wreck the Hannibal Lecter universe.
@Michael Harvey I miss the old Jews, Sure they were nepotic, but only with the competent ones. People act all offended when people say Jews ran Hollywood in its golden age. That's a huge fucking compliment, I'd kill to make shit that good. At this point, Mel Brooks among others needs to be cryogenically frozen ASAP and dethawed and uploaded into young bodies or else Hollywood will never have talent again. Couse, we really should discover necromancy cause we need George Burns, his wife Gracie and the Three Stooges and Leonard Nimoy too. Like very desperately.
@Greg Simoes >>> _"4 shows"_
I would say that is at least *5 MORE* than Kurtzman is capable of handling....
Kurtzman cant even manage the one he should be managing
@@Allan_aka_RocKITEman not arguing with that math
Star trek lower decks takes all the best fun things from the series history, with a fun interesting group of charecters that feel like real people within the first 10 minutes. It's a love letter to the series and it's just simply amazing a solid 9.5/10
It's too gory
It is the best among the new series - which doesn't say too much. It's basically Futurama meets Star Trek and there is definitely space for a show like this. However, I liked the first season more the first time I watched it and was bothered more by what doesn't work on the second viewing.
@@marcoschaub8978 You might have experienced the discriminating-mind-override techniques. JJ uses flickering lights and shaky camera for that, other methods could just be frantic sense overload, although in part that might also be due to the runtime constraints here. But I definitely see some deliberate agenda in this, to overwhelm people's senses in order to turn their brains off. I noticed this most strongly after watching Abrams Dreck "Star Trek", then reading reviews, then watching it again. The second watch I suddenly found all the visual crap very annoying and started to realize what was going on. I realized only then how bad it is. First viewing I just wanted to distract myself with some action stuff, I guess, or was content with that, so didn't apply scrutiny.
Picard Season 3 was more of a love letter to the actual series that it gave a lot of fans a way to leave the IP out on a high note.
Meanwhile Lower Decks has been taken off Paramount+ because nobody wanted to watch their Rick and Morty knockoff.
@NathanCassidy721 Uh... no it's still on Paramount plus
While I usually agree with you , this one has been fun.,,but then again my standards have dropped since seeing discovery and Picard.
I remember when professionalism was a big part of Star Trek
The concept has all but disappeared from society, hence also from its pop culture.
Yeah....except how they ripped off B5
@@willowfrog33 Babylon 5 is still one of my favorite shows I have every single episode and all the movies
@@jameswalker5645 its amazing...just got my wife through season one
@@willowfrog33 uhm... no. For one, there was enough ST original material, for two, Space stations are quite generic concept and also were in ST and for three, entire Bajoran setting was introduced in TNG. I love B5 but there's not much
the worst part about this is that the concept of a star trek show centered around the goings on of the lower decks is a good idea. You could do a lot of interesting things with the concept, show all the off screen inner workings of a starship, The perspectives of the crew about their higher up's, show how despite their low rankings the work they do are arguably the most important job's on the ship. after all a good captain is necessary for direction and leadership but without a good maintenance crew the ship a'int going nowhere.
But instead of that we just got this abomination.
Star Trek: The Next Generation, Season 7, Episode 15, Lower Decks
from wikipedia:
In this episode, while enduring the Enterprise's promotion evaluation process, four junior officers find themselves involved in a top-secret mission[1] and is noted for its focus on non-main characters. The episode also brings back Sito Jaxa (Shannon Fill) previously introduced in "The First Duty".
This episode is noted for focusing on a group of guest characters, rather than the main cast, and for its emotional impact. It has been rated highly among the series' episodes.
@@hamyncheese The fact that they successfully pulled this off before. Just pisses me off even more.
@@mikerueffer579 We watch about 5-7 episodes of TNG, DS9, and Voyager at my house on a weekly basis. It is so satisfying to watch.
The new "Star Trek" is a frenetic mess that leaves me anxious and agitated.
@@hamyncheese It's what happens when you let overly neurotic freaks make the decisions.
@@mikerueffer579 there's nothing wrong with being a neurotic freak, if anything it's a bonus in this context. The problems lie completely elsewhere.
What is sad, is that "Lower Decks" was a great episode of ST:TNG. One of the best.
SFTU. This show is great. As die-hard trekker I can say that this show is awesome. Nobody told that ST cannot be comedy. Final episode of season 2 is CANON for me. In lights of Picard and Discovery - Lower Decks is the best ST there is in recent years.
Agreed. Usually agree with the Drinker but on this one he clowned himself by ejaculating prematurely
It is well-known that Trek fandom opinions differ wildly.
I don't even like it without the Trek paint, because even without it it's still a gross, adolescent-targeted wannabe Rick-and-Morty bandwagoning.
@@Dowlphin Yup. Take the ST backdrop out and all the member-berries out of it, it's a boring unoriginal and has an unlikeable cast and crew. Formulaic rubbish. Lower Drecks completely shat on the idea that Star Fleet required dedication, a philosophical maturity and was run with a modicum of professionalism. In short, the OP who said "STFU," played their hand. It reduced young Star Fleet grads to crass obnoxious loudmouths. Completely out of character for the TNG IP. Because they like memberberries with crass universe and IP altering philosophies, doesn't make it canon. It shows the OP has a style and eats up the memberberries. Anyone defends this show as quality, lacks the insight to see just have infantile and disrespectful this show actually is to the TNG IP. Slapping on TNG era uniforms and ships with a whole bunch of memberberries and infantile jokes doesn't make it good... An insult to the TNG IP, 100%.
If you like a less optimistic, more grim star trek, they already did that perfectly twenty five years ago. It is called Deep Space 9.
Or Babylon 5
Farscape is another good pick for that
Can somebody remember Andromeda?
@@WillHayes44 I think most people are actively trying to forget "Andromeda".
@@michaeldriggers7681 Oh, come on...
that clip of Mila Jovovitch laughing will never get old to me
It’s kinda bad that she publicly announced that she punches her husband🤦♂️
@@pootis4986 he’s a man so who cares
@@Cybersnake-he4zr I can’t tell if that’s a joke or not and that scares me
@@pumblegrump I’m saying Society doesn’t care if a man Gets abused I mean look at Johnny Depp
@@Cybersnake-he4zr ok I thought you were saying that men deserve to be abused, that’s why I was worried because there really are people that think like that.
After watching 20 or so of your videos every one matching my opinions I decided to give one of your books a try on the weekend, lets see how that holds up! :D