Ahsoka Review - This Is Fine
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- čas přidán 9. 10. 2023
- Ahsoka Season 1 has just wrapped up, heralding the return of Legends turned Disney canon character Grand Admiral Thrawn. Plus with returning characters Ahsoka Tano, Anakain Skywalker, Ezra Bridger, Sabine Ren, others, this is a probably just what Star Wars Rebels fans were hoping for. But definitely not others. Thanks for watching our review!
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The original makeup for Thrawn's skin colour produced an allergic reaction in Lars Mikkelsen and they had to find an alternate source for the skin colour change, leading to the working title for the makeup team's pursuits being called Blue Harvest.
You bastard...
Well that got me, hook line and sinker.
Crap. You got me. 😂
Sir that was well done.
God damnit 😅
I personally can't believe we got a "gizmo with a map that leads to a powerful legacy character who's been away and is brought back to change the course of the war" for the THIRD TIME.
They're creatively bankrupt
You either die a star wars fan, or live long enough to realize how dumb it is.
i agree so hard with this
but at least there wasnt a giant planet killing laserbase for a fourth time tho
@@mccallosone4903wait for season two, that's what's in the boxes.
Felt like Disney wanted to take a risk, but also at the same time was too scared to commit
I think that's what annoys me the most with nearly every Disney project in the last 7 years. They go out of their way to get creative talent and do ideas fans have been waiting for only to get cold feet and cram everything back into the formula. Not even just Marvel or Star Wars. Lightyear should have been the easiest slam dunk in the world and just adapt the cartoon, but they couldn't even get that right.
@@Kango234 nah, the easy layup was Kenobi. They had Ewan Mcgregor, ffs!
Perfectly sums it up
to be fair they took a risk with the last jedi and looked how that turned out
Dave Filoni not Disney.
Disney gives Lucasfilm a quota on expected profits and Lucasfilm greenlights and hires productions and productions have a lot of creative freedom.
I would be an eternal fan of Ashoka if Thrawn unpacked the crates in Dathomir and it was just an insane amount of moonshine he had distilled on Peridia over the last decade (and turned Dathomir into a booze nexus). Season 2 is a comedy sitcom with Thrawn and the Great Mothers, avoiding the Republic's tax collectors; a lot of chases (in space and on planets), Dukes of Hazzard style
Tonally it's too different to what has gone before.
Love it! They should even throw in a new Sheriff ala Roscoe P Coltrane. Maybe Carson Tiva can waste tons of hours chasing them around the galaxy through asteroid belts. I'm trying to think of what would be the space equivalent of jumping one's ship off of something and over something else.
Just the Admiral Thrawn
Never meaning no harm
Beats all you ever saw
Been acting like the law
Just to cause tax fraud
Making his wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
The way he decides how
That's just a little bit more than the Empire allows
Just the Admiral Thrawn
Never meaning no harm
Cheating the system in a galaxy far far away
I’d watch this
I want this
That comment about Zombie Stormtroopers having just the same energy and funcionality as normal Stormtroopers, shook me to my core, I never even thought of it, and it's true, why don't this Zombie Troopers at least act all feral like the Night Sister zombies? To justify the whole dark magik necromancy thing.
I do love how the Empire just went back to droids, what if there was an army of canon fodder that don't need to eat, be paid, just need to be built and shipped to fight oh wait we did that.
They went from shambling around aimlessly... to shambling around aimlessly 🙄
Plus, what's the point of zombies with helmets on? Don't zombies bite people then they turn into zombies?
In this case we don’t know if these zombies act that way. I know in D&D and similar settings magic zombies don’t act that way. Which is more in line with the original folk lore.
Ye.. I already thought the idea was fun but the execution was a waste.. But putting it like that really nails the issue.... There is no difference between 20 zombie stormtroopers who keep coming back and 300 stormtroopers who rush in 20 at a time
"It's definitely better than Book of Boba Fett season 1" is such a depressingly low bar
Best quote " I was never lost, but I also don't care. ". The series in a nutshell for the people who consume all star wars media.
Not everybody, I thought it was dope.
@@joshuacollins9316 same
I watched rebels and I was bored to tears waiting 6 episodes for them to get to Ezra. I have no idea how they would consider this watchable for anyone who didn't see rebels.
Besides the fact that filoni wants to "legitimise" his characters, I can't think of a single reason this shouldn't have been animated
Because the Disney Plus executives have good reason to believe they couldn't get a Game of Thrones summer home in the Hamptons with just an animated series. To get a Game of Thrones summer home you need gritty realism that subverts expectations.
@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat Gritty realism in this case being, to just drain all the color and life out of the scenes, and subverting expectations is to just back paddle whenever the story gets anywhere close to doing something actually new or interesting
why do you need to think of another reason when youve just said the reason in the first half of your sentence?
Reminds me of the Disney live action remakes. You lose so much of the imagery and style that made the original characters cool when you just make them normal people or a regular ass fish or whatever. I've never seen the show but the thrawn TV character has that weird head butt thing and he looks kind of menacing and in this he's just blue Elon musk. It's just so lame lol
@@Cherokeechuck9 I havn't seen any of this, didn't watch the show, nothing. When I saw the thumbnail I thought it WAS a photoshopped blue Elon Musk. I clicked the video thinking it would be about how Elon Musk is somehow related to that character, lol. Don't ask me why that made me click, 😂
Delighted to see the return of my favourite character, Cranky Knife, in this review. Truly, this is fan service at its finest
I feel like it was too much fan service, and didn't fit the narrative of the video.
Nah mate, that’s the spirit of fan-service. Just show a thing I know, I love that
Cranky Knife release happy chem-chem in think gland.
At first I was like "I don't like this knife, it's stupid". And then it showed up again and I was like "yeah!! I recognize that reference and therefore it is very cool".
CRANKY KNIFE! CRANKY KNIFE!
Plot was written, actors acted and dialogue was written, its one of the shows for sure
Well, I don't know about the "plot" and "acting", but yeah it kinda was a show.
Plot was crayoned, actors were present, dialogue was spoken.
Ive spotted a wild ancient meme
no one can deny, out of all the shows that exist, this for sure is one of them 👍
@@steakcrust558 What is dead may never die
It was weird seeing how oddly emotionless people were, Sabine risks it all for Ezra and they just greet each other like mates who hadnt seen each other for a couple of weeks. And then when they part it seems all this risk was just to get him home whilst they get stuck behind. Also what was Thrawn up to that decimeted his Troopers? Ezra was out in the wilds and seemed safe and happy but the Storm troopers looked as if they had been fighting someone/thing 24/7 and losing...badly.
Like you would assume something really dangerous is out there even if it's just a misunderstood entity that just attacks if provoked. But no.
Part of the problem was, and hear me out, the contact lenses. Stiff acting is one thing but it becomes uncanny when something almost inpreceptible but fundamental to human emotion is missing. Our pupils dilate and contract based on emotion (and just lighting conditions). This is true even of many forms of blindness, where light fails to cause dilation or contraction but emotion still does. While yes we can still perceive emotion without it, such as with people who are missing their eyes entirely, for people who do have eyes, it can appear uncanny and odd seeing them interact with fixed dilation.
@plushie946 this has bothered me forever, sfx have gotta figure out a better alternative to contacts, they always look terrible. eyes have depth, the iris and pupil are beneath all the jelly but lenses just sit on the outside. not that you don't know all this i'm just ranting bc i hate them
I don't want to spend any more time in the weird sexless universe that Disney thinks is Star Wars.
it made me so mad, like when Ashoka and Sabine got left behind they didn't even look that upset, like that's the point where'd you scream and cry, you are lost and stranded with no hope of seeing anyone again. They just look minorly inconvenienced.
Imagine a whole tv show setting up the return of a big bad guy instead of just saying “somehow thrawn returned”
Cloning, dark science... secrets only the Thrawn knew
Now if only she show was good
I’m just confused how Ezra was on a planet with Thrawn and the night sisters for like years and the night sisters never found Ezra, nor Ezra never tried to defeat them or Thrawn.
I want a Funko Pop figure of "Ahsoka staring meaningfully with her arms folded".
all of these shows are extended commercials for disney adults to buy funko pops
I mean for $4.99 that's not a bad price
My biggest question about this show was why it was called Ahsoka. It focused on her a bit, but if they called this Rebels, I wouldn't have said it was Ahsoka-heavy.
The finale drove me crazy because the VERY obvious answer to the zombie stormtrooper problem was to just dismember them. Night sister magick can reanimate bodies but not cut up bodies! Haha but of course a Disney plus show can’t do that, even if it’s written to have that obvious answer
I love the shot @14:15 when Ahsoka just taps the Stormtrupper lightly on the back.
"It's ok buddy, just stay down for a second"
Holy shit I never even noticed
Already said this elsewhere, Ezra and Hera's reunion in the final episode sums up the show for me: After Baylan's attack in episode 1, one might think they'd raise security and not casually welcome random Eta-Class shuttles *especially* into one of their flagship - considering where Ezra took it, might even be the same ship; and there's no reason for Ezra to still be in that helmet other than if he knows he's being filmed and he's gonna make a dramatic entrance. That's what IMO this show is - a setpiece, a collection of cool scenes with no weight since any semblance of tension died when Sabine didn't upon getting stabbed with a lightsaber - more so later when the trio walked off a barrage from the whole fucking underbelly cannons of a Star Destroyer.
I can't take it as just fun mindless action because this show *tried* to be serious and profound; yet I can't take this show seriously because saying it's written like a cartoon would be an insult to cartoons. It relies so heavily on nostalgia and Glup Shitto, but this has been Disney SW's main weapon for years, I've grown numb to those. I mean sure, always nice to see Hayden, the late Ray Stevenson's immense screen presence, and the uh... Mass Effect cutscene angles when Hera is on screen. But them's not enough to save a show.
It's the worst of Dave Filoni's style (sans the awful humor, thankfully) boiled down into eight episodes. Ten Glup Shittos acting profound while chipping away at the fundamentals of the SW universe because it thinks it can do better; I'm thankful for it existing because it's a great thing to point at and explain why TCW and Rebels don't work and are as bad as they are.
@@TheOwneroftheICThis show being bad in no way shows the other good shows are also bad
What's a Glup Shitto?
@@TheOwneroftheIC To be fair to clone wars it's a pretty good show, it just has weak moments. Similarly Rebels is weaker than TWC but also is fairly even with some really weak moments. The thing people forget is that Filoni wasn't a writer or creative in either show. He was a continuity/ ideas person on TWC since Lucas wanted someone who loved star wars on the project and a producer/ additional voices actor on rebels. He gets the credit for both because he was basically became the mascot for the production teams. He's really good at getting fans excited but he's not the best at telling a cohesive story. He gets why people like Thrawn, for example, but doesn't understand how to write him in such a way. I think Asoka is the most Dave Filoni project and the people who like it really just like Filoni's style. At the same time I think it would be incorrect to just say that anything he touched is bad solely because of this show. I think Zack Snyder's Justice League is a way too long, overhyped, and overindulgent show of excess, the most Zach Snyder film to date that shows all of his worst tendencies but I can also admit that I think 300 is a really fun movie to just sit in awe and watch. It's similar to why people universally love Avatar the last air bender but there is such a heated divide on Legend of Korra. Same show runner, entirely different team supporting said show runners with different levels of scrutiny of their work cause after all, they proved successful once. That last point is more of a problem with the film and movie industry than anything else though.
@@orpheusthepoet3149 Filoni doesn't love Star Wars, it was an avenue to success for him. All his praise of George is pretty surface level brown-nosery, but it's what George thought he needed to hear in the aftermath of the Prequels.
Korra was also missing the most important showrunner from ATLA, people give Bryke too much credit.
Pretty sure it's drugs in the boxes. Thrawn turned to intergalactic drug-smuggling to secure his prosperity in retirement.
It's his meds. He's getting up there in years.
we stan a dad bod intergalactic drug dealer
@@plushie946the boxes are full of those Dad sneakers with the N on them
Didn't they say that it was the bodies of their dead people? Like all the corpses of the dathomiri people? I could've sworn they said that
@@seansluder4806their first stop after getting back to The Galaxy is Dathomir, so yeah it’s probably the original Dathomir witch/warrior race, with Thrawn using them as the backbone of his new army. Or something.
Or it’s special zombie clones.
It was fine, i think star wars as a whole is just not letting their characters show too much emotion. Everyones so restrained, cant be too angry, sad or happy. Sabine not being able to use the force and then getting it should be frustrating and then exciting for her and i dont feel that in the writing or acting.
Hera is supposed to be a general and action-based bad-ass character and she basically just stands around in every scene and the DOESN'T give Ezra a hug when he appears without warning 10 years after disappearing ... its her soulmate's apprentice and she's like "hey what's up?" ... are these characters even people anymore ?!?!?!
When you say "as a whole" i hope you just mean the disney plus shows (except for andor)
yeah, its mainly an issue with the live action shows with Andor being the main exception. Contrast Sabine learning to use the Dark saber in Rebels to Sabine now and it's like she's on tranqs.@@hefoughtabear118
it was bad, nothing happened the entire time, just nostalgia bait and empty without previous knowledge, a show should NEVER be required to do homework beforehand of other works which one needs for this
there's a obvious reason to the mindset of stoicism : social politics, everyone "gruff" cause they think that makes them "strong and empowered", obviously it does not but they live in a echo chamber and did it anywya
@@marcusclark1339The prequels were also criticized for stoic and wooden behavior.
The wooden emotions come from the screenwriters not knowing how to make serious characters in serious situations act like human beings, not social politics or whatever.
"I think he got acid in his brain" that caught me off guard man thats funny 🤣
Wes Chatham should have had a larger role, he’s an incredible actor and they basically just made him gold Phasma who stands next to maps.
Did he even die in the first season?
He survived so thats good
That's the guy from the Expanse right, he's the one wearing that special mask?
In The Expanse he played a character who felt immediately like they'd just be a side-kick, a glorified bruiser, a character whose just there for when the show needs a bad guy roughed up. But he plays it so well (and The Expanse is written so well) that almost immediately that character becomes complicated, interesting, with his own motivations and character, it's really fantastic.
@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoatagreed. Amos should be seen as a sociopathic bad guy but you end up going omg, I want to have a drink with this guy. Also if you become his person, he will die defending you. He's incredibly loyal (until you show that you're corrupt). Loved him.
This entire show should've been animated.
Would have been so much better. It's horribly awkward in live action.
@@nutyyyy Honestely, it would've still sucked.
Thrawn is so smart he knew that just flying his ship up 500 feet to connect with the Eye was too easy and boring for the viewers, so instead just continued to float there with the doors open.
Right? Instead of killing everyone when he had the chance he just let everyone go. What a character!
I mean apparently Thrawn had magical psychics and a spaceship and his one nemesis was so close a person could look for him and find him ON FOOT within an afternoon and he never did anything for more than a decade.
@@rubaiyat300 he was too busy studying the art of his enemies because somehow that makes him unstoppable!
Am I ever sick of hearing YT people talk about the "he studies art" thing like it makes sense. Imagine thinking an admiral could defeat the US Navy because he looked at a few Norman Rockwell paintings and read some Edgar Allen Poe. 😉
book thrawn is a bit smarter than disney thrawn@@andrewshandle
This is why it's hard to be hyped about the character. In order to write him well, the writer has to be thoughtful about tactics. Rare for Star Wars. Without that, Thrawn is pretty generic.
2:30 - 2:38 the way it was edited made it seem like Zeb was talking to himself and the guy next to him was all in his head 😂
Zeb wasn't in Ahsoka because he was in the space loony bin 😢
Old man got the space madness 😔
I honestly think the 'remember a thing' media for Star Wars should really just stay with the animated properties. THIS show should have been animated. Much easier to insert Luke Skywalker or glup shitto into an episode when you don't have to manage thin budgets and nightmare deepfakes. Animation means that our first glimpse of ANOTHER GALAXY could have been more exciting, more grandiose, more creative, more *anything* beyond discount New Zealand. Ray Stevenson, Lars Mikelson and Eman Esfandi were really the only parts that made me enjoy the live action aspects of this show, their performances were solid. Anything else in this show would have been much better served in animation... Andor should have set the standard for live action D+ production value; either give Star Wars the money to do something actually cool that looks *good* or find a way to stylise it in animation. This weird Volume middle ground just feels half-baked and uninspired.
I have to agree that this is a weird middle ground. These shows are reminding me of the anime OVA boom of the 80s and 90s (where productions are going to have a certain budget, but the longer the series gets, the more stretched out that budget becomes). Sometimes it works, but other times it looks like low budget cosplay. While the casting itself was really good and I think everyone played the parts well, no one really looked the part. It was like a higher budget version of the Grand Inquisitor from Kenobi but with the same effect. I don't know if it's necessarily a "go animated or completely lean into it" situation, but it certain is one of needing to commit to something instead of just kind of funding it.
I agree, but I think it's the writing that's the most egregious. The writing was what made the biggest difference in Andor. That and the directing allowed everyone else to shine too. Hopefully they'll make more stuff like that in the future.
I agree animation would have removed a lot of the hurdles they had to try to overcome, but this show has also made me realize that there are a lot of adult Star Wars fans that can’t get over the whole “cartoons are for children” mentality. So many people are missing out on great Star Wars content because they refuse to watch anything that isn’t live action.
Glup Shitto? 😂😂 no way that’s a real characters name! I love it lmao
FACTS
My biggest problem with Ashoka is that it wasn’t actually an Ashoka show. Everything in the story SCREAMS that it’s about Sabine, Ezra and Thrawn, NOT Ashoka. Despite being the titular character Ashoka barely has a reason to be in her own show because all the story and conflicts have nothing to do with her. Finding Thrawn concerns Sabine because he is her lead to finding Ezra, Hera has personal vendetta against Thrawn because he was responsible for her husband’s death. Thrawn was the main villain of Rebels after all. But Ahsoka has no reason to find Thrawn.
You could say Ashoka’s reason for stopping Thrawn is to prevent the Empire’s return but that’s not enough because 1)EVERYONE doesn’t want the Empire to return so it’s nothing special 2)Ahsoka doesn’t know Thrawn personally like Sabine and Hera, thus it makes her less interesting. The only reason Ashoka is here is so the characters don’t get immediately killed by Dark Jedi which you can easily fix by not having Dark Jedi.
In fact, why wasn’t Ashoka split into 2 different shows? Take out Ashoka and the Dark Jedi and just have it be about Sabine and Hera finding Ezra and stopping Thrawn’s return, like a live action Rebels season 5. Then the Ashoka show is about Ashoka hunting down these Dark Jedi while dealing with personal problems. 2 solid shows with a strong fanbase backing them. I don’t understand what the hell Disney and Filoni are doing.
Also, since Luke is still around, wouldn't he most likely get involved with stopping the return of the Empire? I know he most likely won't, but... come on, at this point in his life, ignored behind-the-scenes stuff, he really should, since he has basically the same motivations as Ahsoka.
titular character not being the main character? that's normal in disney plus
Kind of like how Kenobi seemed to have focused more on Reva than, you know, KENOBI.
Star Wars fans when other characters appear in a show :O
lol it's just a kids stories calm down
12:12 That cut of 4 or 5 different fight scenes all on a nondescript flat plane says a lot. Sure the backgrounds are different, and sometimes there's foreground objects that they don't interact with, but the volume has totally ruined their set design
Yeah it’s gotta be a budget thing, none of these shows have looked good except Andor. Unfortunately without the volume these shows probably wouldn’t exist at all so it’s a necessary evil in some ways.
The volume is really useful for specific shots but they use it for absolutely everything and it looks terrible
Yoda to Luke : “ When gone am I .. the last of the Jedi will you be ……………………………………….. except all those other ones . “
Maybe Ashoka and Ezra werent paying their membership dues to keep up their certifications.
If I were to guess, the advantage to zombietroopers is that Disney is more likely to let you lightsaber troopers to death en masse.
Except they still couldn't show them getting dismembered and couldn't show decapitation in Star Wars Jedi Survivor recently either. Disney obviously has some strange rules in place about how lightsabers can be shown.
@@Elfenlied8675309which is silly, because the first time we see a lightsaber used on someone, they lose an arm.
I think I would have liked it a lot more if Andor hadn't released before
Same.
I really enjoyed the character of Baylon Skoll, and look forward to seeing more of him.
*looks up actors IMDB profile
Oh...
yikes
What? He died? Oh no :(
Lol exactly what I felt when I was watching this show..
He died before the show came out too, so he never got to see how much fans loved his performance. RIP ray, you were fucking awesome
@@LightsaberGoBrrrrrr SIlver lining, he never gets to see how garbage the show is either.
The only moment that made me feel anything was seeing young Ahsoka, and not because it was done well, everyone's still wooden and standing in front of the Volume in the flashback, it just reminded me of a good show that's not coming back.
That's the entire point of this show... to remind you of things you've liked in the past. Not to create anything new and exciting for you to resonate with. Without the nostalgia this show would be a snooze fest to everyone
23:25 I can't help but think there would have been radio communication before he landed. They would have known who was onboard.
Nah they just let any ship land to see who it is. Rebel ship, imperial ship, whatever. It's gonna be a real issue when someone figures out you can just put a bomb inside
I’ve been so disinterested in Star Wars as a property in recent years that even Ahsoka, a character I have a lot of fondness and nostalgia for, can’t get me to watch anything related to It.
Dude I couldn't even bring myself to go watch the Obi-Wan series
@@felipeaguena5289it was good. Enjoyed watching with my boyfriend. Then watched again with my mom. I like to share things I’m into with her like Star Wars and Marvel knowing she’d never watch on her own. I’ve skipped some things like Book of Boba Fett (except the last couple episodes) and not sure if I’ll watch Mando season 3 with her. But she had fun watching Obi-Wan and loved little Leia. I wish Ahsoka had a stronger end… I did enjoy the rest quite a bit. My best friend who is ultra into Star Wars absolutely loved it all and was extremely happy with the end. I haven’t really watched the animated stuff though so only got in from him. But enjoyed what I saw
Yes, yes, young zoomer, let the hate flow through you.
You're not alone.
I know how you feel, but you have to watch Andor (if you haven't already)
The editors on this channel deserve a special award. The clip on ‘mandalorian tie in’ is a perfect example of what we can only call a cheeky monkey editor.
its the first thing that shows up when you search mandalorian tie in a gif or stock footage website. how is that any effort?
These editors are consistently amazing, very few can add as much value as they do.
Star Wars Episode II: Big Clone Boys and Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Big Clone Boys sound like such an entertaining couple of films. Kudos to whichever parallel universes have those movies.
Ahsoka truly was one of the shows of all time.
I usually hate this meme, but it actually fits pretty well here
It was definitely a show I watched and am going to remember for how forgettable it was
It was hot garbage, luckily andor s2 is incoming.
Crikey another ancient meme. But dont be fooled, this one is very common and easy to find in the wild
@@steakcrust558 This your first time watching a meme go stale? I remember Peanut Butter Jelly Time, I was alive for Peanut Butter Jelly Time. It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was peanut butter jelly time.
10:32 Honestly, Collings, editing decisions like this, which reward fans for watching other Weekly Planet-related videos, make this channel great. 🔪
I give Ashoka a resounding rating of “It’s ok.” I give it two hands laid horizontal and twisting at the wrist to indicate something being ok but not that good but not bad either.
Ahsoka will always be remembered as "oh yeah, they made that one too, didn't they?"
I wish they explored the relationship between the two with more and the relationship between Ezra and thrawn being on that planet together. Felt they could’ve done it with flashback in the early episodes
For real, I think I've seen fanfics that had better ideas where Ezra and Thrawn have to reluctantly work together to survive in some unknown galaxy and planet. Resources are scarce and there are extremely dangerous creatures on the planet they find themselves on, so they *have* to work together otherwise everyone dies. And Ezra doesn't want to die just yet because he has some hope either he'll be rescued or he can return home someday, and Thrawn doesn't want to die because, well...he's the villain with an evil agenda and wants to return to wreak havoc. It would have been so much more interesting if Sabine and Ahsoka show up on Peridea and find out it's only Ezra and Thrawn left alive, and only because they worked together to survive. Now the real conflict starts.
You guys give Filoni too much credit for thinking that he has all of this mapped out 🤣
Honestly i think they should recast Baylan. Ray did such a great job with him and his character deserves to continue. I was thinking David Harbour would fit well, similar height, build and face, just make his hair white.
nah Liev Schreiber would be better
@@mccallosone4903 I saw someone do a photoshop mock-up of Liev as Baylan, and he definitely looks the part
Thats fair but i just cant see him replacing Ray@@mccallosone4903
I'm glad someone else thinks that about the fight scenes. It didn't seem like they were fighting for their lives with deadly laser swords and shit. People lose limbs all the time!
Did they ever explain the map to thrawn? Like who made it? How’d they make?how did it get to where it was?
It's probably been said but, while Mason isn't wrong about the concept of zombie storm troopers being redundant in nature, these storm troopers *don't* have the numbers so it's fairly easy to justify Thrawn arranging them this reanimation ability as a clever way to compensate for their limited numbers in this instance.
Yeah I think that's a very simple point that is going over people's heads. Thrawn said he was defeated by a lone jedi (one of the 3 coming after him right now), and his only priority is to get off the planet. If you send everything away to try and deal with that threat... you aren't spending that time leaving. He doesn't want to fight, so he's using the least resources possible while still escaping. He was never trying to hunt down Jedi in this galaxy. He wanted to leave. Zombie stormtroopers? Just doubled the size of that battalion while losing half the troops. They even volunteered to do it, in order to give everyone else more time to escape.
That is my only real gripe with their criticisms here. If i'm trying to leave the galaxy, i'm not putting that effort on hold to maybe kill 3 people. Particularly when 1 of those 3 people sent you to narnia for 10 years. I'd settle for just...leaving. However, I believe the show tried to get this all across without using flashbacks to Lothal. They may have needed to, because the subtext is getting lost
I'm more pissed that Dave Filoni can't help but rip off material that was done in Legends 30 years ago. The zombie Stormtroopers were ripped straight from "Star Wars: Deathtroopers" where Han and Chewie fight zombie imperials on an abandoned research base and they are actual brain eating, like mutilated zombies. Actual zombies, without thoughts or motivations. They just kill.
35-45 year old nerds are always main audience for Movies and TV; They are the ones with jobs, money and kids. That age group in the 1960's was all about cowboys, 70's was super into avante garde gangster films. In the 1980s and 1990s that age group was into Stallone / VanDamme action movies and erotic thrillers. The 2000's were super into medieval fantasy. Now the 40 years olds want Star Wars and Comics.
Aren’t the boxes filled with bodies for like an undead army?
I think so too. The Fog in the loading scene could be from cold temperatures to keep them from decaying.
Whatever it is, you can be rest assured that by the time the show ends it'll all disappear without a trace, never to be even mentioned just in time for The Force Awakens to come along.
I thought the same. They literally took them from the catacombs on Peridea
I think it was kinda okay. I am just glad it wasn't as bad as Book of Boba Fett and the Mandalorian season 3. And I love the fact that we finally saw Anakin's force ghost again. But honestly, one beloved character reappearing does not make a show good.
I just finish watching Mando season 3 and I thought it was great. So, what made it bad for you?
@@IMR95
poor character writing and almost no good character development
Over abundance of stupid moments and bad plot writing
Way too much filler, terrible pacing
Plot resolves too quickly
Very repetitive structure and not in a good way
Flat, static, lifeless blocking and direction
Poor action sequences
No stakes
Noticeable downgrade in cinematography compared especially to season one
It was genuinely awful. I can only understand people liking it through sunk cost and not enough exposure to other, better shows. Star Wars has no excuse for mediocrity.
@@maximilliannewcombe1719 well said
@@maximilliannewcombe1719 lol
I feel like they should have picked an actor that could have done the light saber fights. Hayden was amazing and really highlighted that issue for me
My big issue with this show is in the last few episodes when Thrawn needs to load resources onto his star destroyer... for some reason... and it'll take several days to do... for some reason. Like, first of all, if you're living on your star destroyer with all of your stormtroopers why do you not already have your supplies on your star destroyer? And the Great Mothers knew help was coming and didn't say anything or give Thrawn a heads up? A great tactician like Thrawn would have been better prepared to leave. Seems like just lazy writing to me. Realistically they had time to prepare to leave and they just didn't for the sake of the plot.
What about him not being able to find Ezra? So he gives Sabine her weapons back and transportation to go find him instead? He should've just killed her
Thats a symptom of the underlying issue with a lot of these shows; Nothing is thought through and no depth is communicated to the audience. They want us to think Thrawn is a clever villlain so they have him smugly say things like "that thing that just happned fits right into my plan".. But you are never shown him actually planning something and it working as he intended to it.. Nor are you ever told the time needed move all the boxes in a way the informs how view the situation.. Its just all surface level action with no grounding in character or understanding.
Like, why did sabine decide to crash their ship into 2 tie fighters? Why did she think could hit them, lot alone survive the crash? Why arent her companions horrified at seeing their friend apparently killing herself like that.. Why is she just shown walking away from the crash without the reality of the situation benig recognised?
To any Ben 10 fans who happen upon this comment...
...wasn't there a villain who led a group called the Forever Knights named Enoch who had a very similar mask to the Enoch we see in Ahsoka?
Yes… yes their was
@@BumbleCrumble1072 thought there was.
To be fair when ezra arrived at the fleet, I thought it would be a trooper sent to announce the grand return of thrawn or something. So I was actually surprised it was ezra, although I might just be stupid
Hmm interesting viewpoint - maybe that's what was intended, but it does seem the majority of people knew it was Ezra.
@@griegomasif that was intended I highly doubt they would’ve shown Ezra dragging a stormtrooper body to put on his uniform in an earlier scene
I thought the same. It seemed it was going to be some announcement or negotiations for a second. Then I realised what was happening and was actually a little disappointed.
It felt like one of those seasons of tv where it's 16 episodes broken up into two parts of 8 with a few months break between each part. Except here, part 2 is going to be over a year away.
Mason's theory for what they're going to do with Ray Stevenson's character makes me think he only watched the finale and skipped the rest.
If they don't just recast him for another older guy with a beard then he'll probably get disfigured at that mountain and wear a mask the rest of the time he's alive.
We'll have to see what happens with Enoch going forward but if he ends up with the 'cool design but doesn't do much' like Captain Phasma, I propose the nicknane Captain Bafta
I thought they were gonna have zombie Freddy prinz under the Helmet. Yeah just doing darth Vader over again, but at least tht woulldve been juicy.
Oh boy time to consume some product!
I heard a rumour that an early version of the season outline had Ahsoka trying to further heal her white lightsabers using the force. Combined with the fact that the zombie clones can be defeated using ion blasters (with characteristic blue bolts), the purification from white to blue led to the project being codenamed Blue Harvest.
It’s just painful to think just how good this could have been if they just would have made Jacen the padawan instead of Sabine…as he is the son of a Jedi and can use the force and Sabine cannot…but Disney Star Wars doesn’t build up male characters…they just tear them down
I think this video is more entertaining than the series itself! 🤣 Great editing RawCollings! Laughed so much!
ahhhaha thanks m8!
A few grievances aside I did think this show was perfectly harmless. But… as shameful as I am to admit it… seeing Thrawn on screen just made my nostalgia control my critical mind. I loved Lars returning for the role.
Why do you feel shame for liking something. Not everything you like has to be a critically acclaimed masterpiece
I really enjoyed it, especially from episode 4 on. I definitely get the critiques of ahsoka’s personality in some episodes as well as the slow pacing, but overall I loved watching it beginning to end. However I’m not sure how much of that has to do with the fact that I was a huge clone wars/rebels fan
Ahsoka commits the worst art crime: it's worse than bad, it's boring.
I was thoroughly entertained for the vast majority of it
How!? It's so bad lol but I guess bad can be entertaining
@@PixlPlayerthat's.... pathetic. The second u get passed the fan service there is NO redeeming qualities to this show, and if you r able to just ignore the plot holes and remain "entertained" then ur the problem not the solution 🙄
It’s a 4 episode show that was dragged out into 8 episodes
I haven’t seen clone wars or rebels but this felt like Star Wars which is more than I can say for most of the other series. I got giddy like a kid again at some parts and even at the end of a few episodes I expected the Star Wars end theme to start playing like at the end of a mainline movie
This was a 75 minute movie that got stretched so thin that Ray Stevenson’s character literally spends the whole show like the Star Wars version of your hometown, local rock band promising “big things ahead!!” on social media only to never release an album or do anything. “I got this wild force plan, guys… trust me… gonna be wild… but can’t tell ya! Can’t even journal about it in an exposition dump! Gotta keep it mysterious…”
Such a shame because I thought that part of the plot actually had potential.
Knowledge was his treasure/force plan!
It's most likely hibernating Nightsisters in the pods/crates Thrawn has on his ship. Not zombies, living beings that are just kinda taking a nap for a bit.
I am surprised that you guys didn't know that the statues at the end was the Father and the Son with the statue of the daughter was crumbled because she gave her life for Ahsoka. It was a 3-part story arch in Clone Wars
All they do is wine 🍷
Thats really dumb fan fiction from filoni
The utter godlike restraint for not destroying Mason for the bee keeper/ jam joke……legendary. The respect for the almost always on point Mason…touching and beautiful.
Also…Something has been lost with the lightsabers. Now they have durable led tubes they kinda thought cool, job done. Unfortunately there’s no post production done on them, so they look like durable led tubes. There’s no plasma-y feeling to them, especially in ahsoka
i mean, are any of us as fired up in our 40s as we were in our teens or 20s? I personally liked a lot of the weirdness of this series. I like when Star Wars peppers in a little of the alien nature of it all. I had fun.
I think there is a subset of the fandom that is _way_ more fired up in their 40s about SW than they were in their 20s, and they're very vocal and generally very unhappy people.
My thing with the zombies was that they couldn't decide whether they wanted them to be shambling husks or basically just regular dudes that can't die. Seriously, it alternates so quickly, sometimes they're a stumbling crowd and literally 10 seconds later some of them are running and firing weapons. It's a little thing and yeah it was basically fine, but it did bother me
I feel the best way to describe the show is “safe.” It’s not a risky kind of show since it would appeal to fans of clone wars and rebels, though it would not appeal to other Star Wars fans, and it probably never would. Though I’ll never understand the vitriolic response Star Wars fans give to something that’s mid, there are ups and downs in entertainment and a mid show is nothing to (in some cases literally) cry about like it’s the end of the world.
The return of Thrawn means he’ll appear in other projects like the Mandalorian, so it will be interesting to see where this goes. The same may be said of the nightsisters. If nothing else, this show has set up some interesting plot points and I’m curious to see what happens with them.
they also did a lot of introducing elements from Jedi Survivor on top of everything else. a lot of things to juggle in a limited episode series
You know what James? You changed my mind about Ahsoka. At first I really didn't like the idea of Sabine having the force, but you made some good points that turned me around on the idea. I see the series in a better light now.
13:29 that was such a clean transition
cheers king!
13:21 my god this edit really sums up the choreography lol
that montage of the fight scenes really opened my eyes LOL
Oh it's the review section pulled from the podcast, but they're being fully visualised again! Yiiiieeeeh!
(Thanks Mr Collings)
Maybe you need to be Canadian to realize it, but Hayden Christianson's accent has become so much more clearly Canadian since the prequels. I haven't seen him in anything else, and linguistics is a hobby of mine, so I'm very curious as to why this has happened. It's difficult to describe its differences from a neutral American accent, but to those of us from north of the border, the change is very evident.
Clearly Canadian is a beverage lol
Considering Vader’s voice is now artificially generated in a similar way as in-universe, it’d be hilarious to just listen to Hayden speak and watch as the computer shifts his accent 3000 km to the east over the mid-Atlantic in real-time.
I really enjoyed the way they unpacked Ahsoka's feelings about being a child soldier who only ever learned to kill and survive. It was exactly what I wanted to see, and Episode 5 really let me have it. Two thumbs up for that sequence. The rest was really all over the place.
25:26 I call it the Pokémon effect. When a new generation of Pokémon is added, every comment is “the designs are getting lazy,” or “the old generation of Pokémon are way better,” then the cycle repeats and the previously hated designs become nostalgic compared to the newer versions and so on and so on till we are all crushed by the weight of our ever expanding collections
Yeah except that doesn't happen with Pokemon. The next gen designs never become "Nostalgic." Nobody is nostalgic for a Pokemon that is a literal garbage bag or a chandelier or an icecream cone. Nobody. That has never happened. Pokemon went so creatively bankrupt they started making inanimate objects like lamps and actual bags of garbage into Pokemon by throwing a pair of cartoon eyes onto an object.
lol the kintsugi is literally what they did for Kylo Ren's mask in Sequel trilogy part 2 (or was it part 3?)
Thrawn's flagship, the Chimaera, which is kidnapped by space whales in Rebels when he decides not to shoot them, is a Imperial-I class star destroyer, but when it reappears in Ahsoka, it is a Imperial-II class. Despite obviously hundreds of man hours being spent on the new (admittedly beautiful) CGI model, no one seems to have checked that.
I think that pretty much sums up the quality level of current Star Wars. Lots of fancy flashy things but no real substance, heart, or consistency.
The star destroyers are meant to be different models? I thought the long necks were just a funny quirk of the art style in Rebels.
I assume it's because his ship had to be entirely rebuilt following the Purrgil attack. Wookieepedia lists the Chimaera as a "Heavily modified" Imperial Class 1.
Fun fact: The Chimaera in Legends continuity was an Imperial Class 2 (And was also painted purple). I would assume someone who worked on the show remembered it being a class 2 from Legends and rolled with it, unaware that Rebels had changed it to a class 1.
@@EditedAF987 the proportions is a cartoon thing. Imp I and Imp II class are distinguished by different antanes and other instruments on the top of the conning tower. in the original trilogy, ANH has Imp I class, ESB has a mix of both, and ROTJ has Imp II class.
in rogue one, they correctly used Imp I class in all scenes, as that takes place before ANH, so Disney does have the correct CG models to use.
@@Elfenlied8675309 considering it still has giant holes all over it and missing engines, there's no way he had the resources for a retrofit, nor would he have the schematics as he was kidnapped by whales several years before the imp II was introduced
The ISD I and II have numerous differences, the least of which is the linear com array on the bridge tower. The baffles on the main engines are different, with the ones shown on the Chimera definitely putting it in the I subclass. Not that any ISD can have a unique weapons and equipment load out or anything.
Found myself invested by the end but oof it was a slog. Meanwhile loki comes back last week and 10 minutes in im like oh right this is what having fun while watching a tv show is like! Hadn't felt that on a disney show since andor. Wait, i lie, muppets mayhem was fabulous and not enough people talked about that show 😆
Came for the big red circles in the thumbnail. Stayed for the first rate editing. I doff my very British flat cap to you Mr Raw.
😂 cheers so much from a fellow Brit! Jaffa Cakes on me
That 'Language' edit from Age of Ultron was superb, top tier editing 😊
To me the middle portionof the show, ep 4,5,6 felt the steongest to me, with 5 being a standout. And not just cause of TCW stuff, but that ending portion with the space whales.
Like, there was something really special about that scene. A sense of awe and wonder thatvreally gripped and stuck with me more so than most other aspects of the show.
I feel exactly the same way. 4,5 and 6 are amazing and every other episode is terrible
I haven't watched Rebels or Clone Wars yet and I really enjoyed Ahsoka 😅 actually one of my more liked star wars shows of late
Next week is the 500th episode of TWP, and so far they’ve mentioned an ‘obelisk’ in 499 consecutive episodes!
Keep it going!!
I am a huge fan of Star Wars animation (more so than some of the movies). But at the end of the day the object of this series was to introduce these characters to the Live Action audience in preparation for Filoni's movie. It would feel incredibly strange to flip flop between LA and animation in interconnected stories in the same time period.
I’m curious for people who complained about Rosario Dawson acting and portrayal of Ahsoka, do you feel the same way about Alex Guinness’ portrayal of Obi-Wan? Cause they basically play the same role in their respective shows/movies, and portray them in the same way.
Personally i think there was a lot of subtlety in Dawson’s acting that flew under a lot of people’s radar. Acting isn’t always about being loud, exaggerated, and quippy, and it feels like that’s what people wanted based off these comments.
I think people dislike Ahsoka having a stoic and low emotion personality because what they really want is Ashley Eckstein to be playing Ahsoka. They want something closer to what she was in Rebels. Alec Guinnes acted like that because he was entirely disinterested in Star Wars as a whole and didn't even really like being in it. I think Rosario Dawson is acting emotionless and blank because that is what they are telling her to act like and that's a big difference. Luke became monotone, stoic, and weird suddenly in Return of the Jedi as well. I think that's the idea of what "Jedi Master's" are supposed to be. Controlled and leveled but it always comes off as robotic and bored.
@@Elfenlied8675309grow up
Alec was actually fun to watch and didn't deliver every single line as flatly as possible
I do like the slight change for Thawn about how everything is not "apart of the plan all along" but now its always acceptable loses that achieved what I needed for now. While it makes him seem more competent, I still didn't feel like he was an actual threat. He is coming off as the mustache twirling villian who is instant defeated the moment he meets the good guys in person.
This is true to Thrawn from "Heir to the Empire". He's like a chess master, there's the grand strategy he's always angling for but along the way he has to adapt to setbacks and failures, which he does and that's what set him apart as a villain. He overcame his failures every single time and was only undone by the consequences of his rotten political ideology.
The difference is Thrawn in the books is shown winning battles left and right and the protagonists were scurrying in the shadows out of sight as they tried to beat him. In Ahsoka there are no redshirts for him to beat and the heroes running straight at him with plot armor makes him look more feckless than he actually is.
They needed to arrive at the temple and have Thrawn already be gone, or something of similar impact. If the heroes are all going to be indestructible, they have to do something more than what they did to prove Thrawns effectiveness. He did not come off as tactically brilliant.
@@forrestpenrod2294don't even compare this abomination to the real thrawn
This thing just copes everytime he makes a retarded decision, I'm a better admiral than this version
biggest prob with modern SW saber battles is that they feel coreo'd to hell instead of a more fluid dance where the participants care about the movements they are making with the movements being their own. Episode 3 displays this the best with the amount of practice the actors put in being put on full display, also the individual charm of the characters' style is lost with ashoka feeling really heavy and slow instead of agile and hyper-mobile like she is in clone wars.
R.I.P Ray Stevenson... May the force be with you 💙
seems like a great show to keep on in the background while doing other stuff.
I fall into the "that's my jam"-category 😄. I really enjoyed it. Sure, it's not perfect but it could've been way worse. Maybe it's because I tend to have low expectations about everything related to Disney, but I think it was certainly better than most other recent Star Wars stuff (except for Andor).
I tuned out of this show around episode 4 because of pure boredom. Thanks for covering it all for me. I think you managed to make it more entertaining.
I love Obi-Wans little "what?" as they stumble over the Attack of the Clones title, editing gold!
we got canon zombie troopers and they’re just normal dudes
it insisted upon itself to be a cinematic live action show and just stretched out 4 episodes worth of plot and character development into 8 episodes. would've been a lot better if it were done in cartoon form again
that's basically whole Disney + experience in nutshell. They have plot for like 1 and half hour, and they make 7 hours of filming.
Hell most of the time their finished product looks like first draft and something that shouldn't even make it to final cut.
No this live action shit is cool, I’m glad we can finally see this kind of thing with a budget and more Hayden or Ewan is never a bad thing
"I did not care for the Godfather"
@@gulinp1that's probably cause most of the shows were film scripts that were converted into shows.
@@ChampionGoldbro yes it is. Obi wan was awful and seeing hayden truly does absolutely nothing considering how bad the shows have been
I got really invested in Baylan and Shin, I was very excited and curious to know more about them. It was really disappointing to me when their story just kind of... stopped in its tracks, and ended the season unresolved. Why would Dave Filoni give me some of the shiniest most exciting star wars characters I've ever seen and then just never explain what their deal is, it's so cruel.
I’m glad they brought up the slow choreography. It def looked rehearsed and like a stage play. Should have cut some frames to speed it up in post!